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What happens when the woman proposes

women.timesonline.co.uk — Today tradition permits women to pop the question to men. This custom has dubious origins....wedlock comes with financial obligation. The bottom line is: if you're married, she can have half your money. Maybe more....all this sniggering is really just to cover up the fact that, in truth, all proposals are made by women.

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  • benpattersonca, on 02/29/2008, -8/+24To quote Mr Kanye West, 'WE WANT PRENUP'....
    • Raz4Life, on 02/29/2008, -6/+7"WE WANT PRENUP', YEAH!!!"
    • gak001, on 02/29/2008, -4/+4Such poetry, such elegance - a true artisan of words!
    • theOster, on 02/29/2008, -5/+3sorry for hijacking but did anyone else catch the nipple on the tie-dye fashion thing?
    • 3by5, on 02/29/2008, -0/+1To quote John Mayer, "I can tell you this much, I will marry just once, if it doesn't work out give her half of my stuff, we said eternity..."
  • kashem, on 02/29/2008, -17/+10Exactly. Prenup, or it doesn't happen.
    • laughandsing, on 02/29/2008, -14/+12What happened to getting married and staying married. If you never get divorced then having a pre-nup is rediculous. I would never sign one. If my boyfriend propsed and said that in order for us to get married we would need a pre-nup I'd have to leave him. It gives the impression that a divorce could be in the future. It sends mixed signals. Although if I ever did get divorced I wouldn't steal all my husbands money.
      • CommentPoster, on 02/29/2008, -8/+14If you refuse to sign it you're also sending the signal that you have intent to take the money with you. If you do get divorced, chances are you don't much like the guy anymore.
        • ChiRolla, on 02/29/2008, -7/+13She didn't mean she would refuse to sign it and stay with him... she said she'd leave. I agree with her. That sends a pretty bad message. If you're at the point in your relationship when you are considering marriage and you don't know if you can fully trust her... you're not ready. Plain and simple.
          • phronko, on 02/29/2008, -6/+8Fully trusting someone in the present doesn't mean they will be fully trustworthy for the rest of their lives. We can have romantic notions about feelings lasting forever, but in the real world, people change, and most marriages end.
          • troye, on 02/29/2008, -2/+5But that's the whole point of a prenup. Human beings are dynamic. The guy doesn't know if his chick (wife) will leave him for some other hot guy or leave him because he doesn't do what she says. That's how all the women that hit and run come off as being, "Oh I will always love you." ... and BAM! That bitch divorces you.
          • laughandsing, on 02/29/2008, -2/+2not all women are like that.
        • laughandsing, on 02/29/2008, -3/+11If you think that someone is going to take you for all your worth if you get divorced, then you shouldnt get married. Just because you dont like the person anymore, it doesnt mean that you cant behave nicely
        • CedEx, on 02/29/2008, -1/+3Case in point... Heather Mills... greedy bitch.
          • Gerz1219, on 02/29/2008, -1/+2Well, if Paul McCartney had the same genetic makeup, but was some schlubby failed musician in his 60's who owned a used record store in Liverpool, he probably wouldn't be able to get many models in their 30's to ***** him. He wrote all those songs and cashed all those royalty checks in order to gain access to world-class pussy. He shouldn't be surprised when he has to pay out world-class divorce settlements.
      • daxsymbiont, on 02/29/2008, -6/+8that's like saying earthquake protection for buildings is ridiculous because it implies an earthquake may happen.
        • Nougat, on 02/29/2008, -1/+5Divorce is not an "act of god" (insurance term), or an accident.
          • CommentPoster, on 02/29/2008, -5/+2Divorce may not be an accident, but no matter how well you get along at present, the marriage may have been.
          • blate, on 02/29/2008, -3/+4People sometimes change, and that can't be predicted or controlled, so in that sense it's rather similar to an act of God
          • m0neybags, on 02/29/2008, -2/+3Earthquakes aren't acts of God either.
          • Nougat, on 02/29/2008, -1/+2m0neybags - that's why I specified "insurance term." Read much?
      • m0neybags, on 02/29/2008, -1/+10No, you'd just steal half. A prenup sends a very specific signal, that you don't get half of the man's money if you file for divorce. It may also deter divorce as an option based on money. I would think a large amount of divorces occur based on this money grab.
        • brufleth, on 02/29/2008, -0/+8Financial stresses are one of the leading causes of marital disputes. So you may have something there.
        • carpespasm, on 02/29/2008, -3/+2I don't think it would often be a direct money grab as much as a feeling of not liking the guy anymore, he's done XYZ to me, the prime of my life, etc... it's only fair that I be compensated mentality. With most guys it's more of a "Damn, I wish things had gone better... life goes on though...."
          • m0neybags, on 02/29/2008, -0/+5It's just a prevailing generalization that the male counterpart of a marriage is accountable for its downfall, to the degree that they must compensate the other person. The attitudes that you describe to me would just as easily be a symptom of the cynical expectation that the man would get nothing anyway, and that the woman could exact some sort of revenge for not being delivered the American Dream simply by saying "i do". Women in the US are now earning a relatively even income to men, and certainly have the capacity to sustain themselves. Divorce laws are antiquated and I expect a correction to occur in the future in regards to a vast majority of decisions offering overproportionate monetary compensation and parental rights to the female side.
      • paidhima, on 02/29/2008, -3/+26Call a prenup what it is: leveling the playing field for a men. Let me explain:

        Marriage isn't a bond of trust and love and happiness. It is a contractual obligation set upon the couple, by the state. It's a business arrangement, and should be entered into as such by all parties. It's ludicrous that a prenup is even an option; it should be STANDARD. There should be no way either party be able to lay claim to part of the pre-marriage financial interest of the other. A prenuptial agreement simply makes explicit what should already be so.

        By and large, the man winds up paying for the dissolution of marriage. It's highly skewed against him. The prenup just makes it fair. By refusing to sign a prenuptial agreement, you are essentially telling the guy that you reserve the right to go after everything he has.
        • troye, on 02/29/2008, -0/+8Speak sir, for you are smart.
        • bifbangpow, on 02/29/2008, -1/+1Diggers need to stop thinking in binary constructs. As has been pointed out by other commenters, women are making a lot more money today than they have in the past 50 years. My mom divorced my dad and lost almost everything to him, HE was the golddigger and she made more.

          "It's highly skewed against HIM"...come on, it's highly skewed against whoever makes more if their spouse is a lazy peice of crap golddigger.

          Additionally I can think of 3 other couples that I am close to in which the girl is basically supporting the guy.
          • paidhima, on 03/06/2008, -0/+2I'm not so sure it's skewed against whoever makes more. It seems that if the man makes more and the woman is lazy, there can be a good case that "he didn't want me to work - he wanted to support me." If the woman makes more, however, the man is simply seen as a deadbeat who didn't get a job.

            That being said, I support mandatory prenuptial agreements regardless of financial status. There are potential gold diggers in both genders, and a successful woman should have the right to protect herself just as much as a man. It just happens that the reality tends to favor the woman.
      • ligius, on 02/29/2008, -0/+8First, I'm a guy. Unfortunately you're sticking to only one side of the story. It's true, I would not want to marry with a pre-nup but this does not mean that I should refuse a pre-nup on the premises that the 'better' half might be thinking of divorce.
        Pre-nups have appeared as the response to a demand cried out usually by men (or whoever holds the finances) that have been screwed up in the past. I know what I should choose for marriage but I'm not so sure about the majority of men. This is reinforced every day by what I see around me and even casual discussions with not-so-apparent "gold diggers".
      • logosx1, on 02/29/2008, -0/+5If they had repealed no-fault divorce, then I gladly would have forgotten about a pre-nup before getting married. But since the government allows women to take the money and run at the drop of a hat, my pre-nup was a legitimate countermeasure against the government's failings.
      • CedEx, on 02/29/2008, -0/+3So why get married at all? It's nothing more than a piece of paper anyway. Just stay together as bf/gf, and keep the status quo. No divorce, no pre-nup and yet the bottom line is that you're together. Win win.
        • s0nicfreak, on 02/29/2008, -2/+1There are many reasons... maybe you want to combine certain financial assets or give your s.o. rights to something in case you die, and need to be married to do so. If you plan to adopt, it's much more difficult to do so if you're just living together. If you have children and the mother dies, it may be difficult for the father to get custody if you're not married. Things like that.
        • Blandyman, on 02/29/2008, -0/+1I think the father wins custody in the case of a dead mother whether they were married or not... now if the child was illegitimate and the father was never around UNTIL the mother died, then that's another story...
    • merm, on 02/29/2008, -1/+6I think it all depends on your circumstances. If you've got a net-worth that's 10,000x that of your spouse - maybe. But iIn my case my wife made less than me when we were dating - far less - and had far less financial assets (but not 10,000x). Four years later her earnings and net-worth have surpassed mine. So I'm actually getting a "good deal". There's an assumption that all men want prenups because they have more earning power and don't want the wife to take "half their money". But in a world where women are more and more earning as much (or more) than men this is less an issue. My wife and I are fine without a prenup - we're in this together, and if we change our minds - we'll split it 50/50.
      • troye, on 02/29/2008, -2/+1***** LOSER. You've been suckered in, and Kanye says your a punk.
  • neutrascrub, on 02/29/2008, -21/+4this kid i knew in high school was proposed to by his gf. she is bigger than him so it's pretty funny.
    • tdogg241, on 02/29/2008, -0/+2You talk as though you're not in high school, but your sense of humor indicates otherwise.
  • h3lx, on 02/29/2008, -11/+5Best avoidance method not mentioned, get a big nasty messy dog, something that drools like hell, sheds like nothing you've ever seen and always manages to find something dead and rolls around in it. And most important, make it more important than her. Women ***** hate that and will actively seek a way out. Go on a date, but half way through the evening, go home and check on the dog. If all she wants to do is *****, you'll go back to her place, if it's more than that, she'll insist on coming over but ultimately, the dog will win. With the right dog, you'll never need a Pre-nup.
    • MofugginPaulrus, on 02/29/2008, -4/+9If you have a dog, why do you need a woman to *****?
    • lolinyerface, on 02/29/2008, -2/+3Or she will bail after once episode of 'dog stink man' in bed.
      A million other men out there.
    • poodlepoodle, on 02/29/2008, -0/+0Ok but I get the dog.

      I like dogs, and I have no sense of smell.
    • brufleth, on 02/29/2008, -1/+1Greatest plan evar.
    • liah, on 02/29/2008, -0/+3That wouldn't work so well on me, considering a dog I had was drooly, loud, rolled in dead things, and was black in a white house (the shedding was unbelievable).

      I love my dogs... and they always come first.
  • lordwow, on 02/29/2008, -7/+100Girl: "We should get married"
    Guy: "Ya, sure"
    Girl: "Ok, go buy me my ring now."
    Guy: "What?"
    Girl: "I just proposed, you said yes. GO BUY ME A RING!"
    • lolinyerface, on 02/29/2008, -1/+33Shouldn't she have his ring at this point?
      • BillMoocho, on 02/29/2008, -1/+1...

        You don't really get jokes too well, do you?
    • laughandsing, on 02/29/2008, -19/+2fail
    • Weejay, on 02/29/2008, -5/+15It's funny because it's so misogynistic, yet so true :')
      • BruceDude, on 02/29/2008, -0/+2Why would it be misogynistic?

        Douchebag.
  • Angostura, on 02/29/2008, -4/+17Don't think for a moment that a leap year is required. It wasn't a leap year when my wide proposed to me.

    Sunday morning at home, lying in bed listening to the radio. She came in with a cup of tea, a big bunch of flowers and a rather odd expression on her face.

    I'm a lucky guy.
  • ChiRolla, on 02/29/2008, -19/+54You're right guys, nothing says, "I love and trust you enough to get married" like a prenup. If you can't trust her, maybe you shouldn't even be considering marriage.
    • vidalsasoon, on 02/29/2008, -7/+9***** that.
    • kerracked, on 02/29/2008, -10/+19And if she isn't willing to sign it, you really shouldn't be considering marriage.
      • badenglishihave, on 02/29/2008, -7/+6Not necessarily. She might just think you're a dick for even proposing a prenup.
    • betterth, on 02/29/2008, -6/+9ChiRolla, personally, I am with you. I understand the prenup and all that, but if I felt she was capable of divorcing me and taking half of my money, she isn't marriage material to me.

      Call me picky but it'd take one crafty bitch to trick me into marrying her (and have me think she was legit), and if she could, *****, she deserves the money :P
      • ReyX, on 02/29/2008, -4/+3"Call me picky but it'd take one crafty bitch to trick me into marrying her (and have me think she was legit)"
        Are you that ugly or that rich?
        • betterth, on 02/29/2008, -0/+2Neither, so I don't really plan on worrying about it much =)
      • curtisag, on 02/29/2008, -0/+10The whole point pro-prenup people are making is you can't predict the future. There are plenty of people who change in the course of their marriage. In doing so, through no fault of their own, they become incompatible with the other person for a multitude of reasons. Statistics are statistics, and there's about a 50/50 chance that your marriage will end with whoever you marry. It doesn't matter how hard you study the person before you get hitched.
        • betterth, on 02/29/2008, -3/+1True, but a prenup announces ahead of time that you're open to the possibility that it could end. I am not open to the possibility of divorce when I marry someone. If i feel that divorcing them is possible, I won't marry them. When I get married, I plan on it being for life. Me suggesting a prenup is me admitting to myself that I'm planning for the case that this marriage doesn't work.

          When I get married, it'll be when I believe that it'll last forever.

          It's semantics, and I'm not arguing against prenups, by all means, get them. But personally, I don't want even the inkling of doubt in my mind that it could end.

          That and it's not romantic at all, and I am nothing if not a hopeless romantic =3
        • CedEx, on 02/29/2008, -1/+6Believe all you want. Many men thought the same and guess what, they are still paying for their ex-wives ridiculous sums of money. Just read up any high-profile divorce case and you will see how often the husbands get screwed out of their money.
        • troye, on 02/29/2008, -1/+2DON'T BE A PUNK. TELL THAT BITCH YOU WANT A PRENUP!!!
    • paidhima, on 02/29/2008, -2/+26If we're getting divorced, that means something went wrong in the marriage. Maybe she cheated on me, which means I shouldn't have trusted her in the first place. Maybe I cheated on her, which means I'm a *****. Whatever happened, we weren't right for each other. Now, can the about-to-get-divorced "me" trust the about-to-get-divorced "her"? Maybe. Maybe not. But do I want to feel like an ***** when she goes after the financial interests I accrued prior to our marriage? Thanks, no.

      A prenuptial doesn't forecast the rain; it just gives me an umbrella. Or, to put it another way: hope for the best, but prepare for the worst.
      • troye, on 02/29/2008, -2/+4That's right. Some diggers on here are like well she loves me, so I don't think it's neccessary to get a prenup.

        *****!!!
    • carpespasm, on 02/29/2008, -2/+6I dunno, it seems like a reasonable thing to me. It says "I care about you enough to not want to go through the problems that can come up in a divorce if anything ever happens between us." If she's serious and level headed, and if you explain to her why you think it's important, she should understand. Then hopefully you can toss it in a lock box an never think of it ever again.
    • drmangrum, on 02/29/2008, -1/+22In a perfect world, yes. You seem to forget that most marriages that start end in divorce. Just because two people love each other now, doesn't mean they will continue to love each other in 10-20 years.

      If your a man, you KNOW that if a divorce comes along, your wife wins. That's just the way to legal system is set up. The woman will get the house. The woman will get the kids. The woman will get half your pay check. You get to eat Ramen noodles for the next 10 years. A prenup brings fairness back to the equation. You can decide, while you still love each other, how things will get split in the event of divorce.

      Better to plan and not need it than need it and not plan for it.
      • J4k3, on 02/29/2008, -0/+2Exactly! Very well said. The realities of today make it incredibly hard not to have some kind of a prenuptial agreement. You might be faithful forever, but if your wife ever decides to ***** around (and this happens a lot!) and you want to end the marriage, you're much better off if you've signed a prenup.

        Things aren't always what they seem, and unfortunately some marriages just aren't the fairy tales people make them out to be. :-(
      • troye, on 02/29/2008, -0/+1Drmangrum, that quote at the end of your post was from Fredrick D. Roosevelt. He was a great man.
    • logosx1, on 02/29/2008, -2/+10Based on your logic, the divorce laws should immediately be repealed, since they encourage divorce.

      What you're overlooking is that ALL married couples already have a pre-nup, one that's supplied by the government. The real question is whether you want to draft your own, or let a gaggle of amoral politicians do it for you.
    • s0nicfreak, on 02/29/2008, -1/+1Personally I think a prenup says "I love you and trust you enough to sign a pre-nup because I know we aren't going to get divorced, so it doesn't matter, and I'm not in this marriage to take your money."
    • JohnboiWaltune, on 02/29/2008, -0/+1A prenup doesn't mean ***** if there are kids. The court can invalidate the prenup if the woman's lawyer can convince the judge that the prenup is not 'in the childrens' best interest'.
      • drmangrum, on 02/29/2008, -0/+2An intelligent lawyer will make provisions in the prenup if kids are involved. You don't draw up a prenup on your own, you have a lawyer do it for you.
    • atticus8, on 03/01/2008, -0/+2That specious argument reminds me of how the politicians and all the other trust-exploiting charlatans keep chipping away at the civil liberties and rights of all Americans: "Hey, if you are not a terrorist, there is nothing for you to fear from these illegal warrantless wiretaps that we are running on American citizens."
      Sorry, no dice. Checks and balances, safeguards, and oversight are the "in case ***** happens" insurance policy of politics. A prenup is the "in case ***** happens" insurance policy of relationships. And boy, does ***** happen.

      When you are entering or seeking your second marriage, you will no longer doubt the wisdom of prenups.
  • jlebrech, on 02/29/2008, -1/+40They should ask guys on dates too. We all know how much they say they hate being pestered by guys.
    • badenglishihave, on 02/29/2008, -8/+1I don't know. Maybe I'm "sexist" but I think the male-dominant role (including asking out) is desirable in a heterosexual environment.
    • yelow, on 03/01/2008, -0/+2Everyone that digs that comment down is imho a pussy. Or a seahorse.
  • imLissy, on 02/29/2008, -23/+4No way in hell I'm proposing today. Nu uh, he has to get down on HIS knee.

    And I agree with you guys, prenups are good. 'Course I have more money than him but..
    • steelclash84, on 02/29/2008, -1/+23I suppose you want to vote and have equal opportunity at employment, too! (read as double edge sword).
      • imLissy, on 02/29/2008, -6/+1Yeah, well, I'm human so I would like to vote.

        As far as equal opportunity, women are the ones screwing themselves there. I don't want to work crazy hours, I want to have a family, so I don't expect them to pay me as much or promote me as much as a guy who does.

        And I'm gonna end up being the one paying for my own engagement ring, so frell you
    • AriaStar, on 02/29/2008, -0/+2Wow, thanks for setting women back a few years.
  • spacecheese, on 02/29/2008, -13/+2I'll could never ever settle down with just one. I get older and buffer and they just keep graduating high-school. No way man.. Marriage is a curse.
    • AriaStar, on 02/29/2008, -0/+1Thank goodness you have TWO hands then. Nothing like a little variety, eh?
  • confusednazgul, on 02/29/2008, -7/+43*****. I proposed to my husband. And when I tried to get a prenup, he refused it, saying that it wasn't necessary. Not every woman is out for a man's money, and not every man is desperate to protect his nest of chocolate eggs.
    • pagit, on 02/29/2008, -22/+8silly, naive, woman.
    • KingGorilla, on 03/01/2008, -0/+3no girl can come between me and my chocolate eggs
  • Heavy, on 02/29/2008, -4/+18"she can have half your money." In Sweden it works both ways.. is that not the case in the US and if so do you all asume that the men have the money?
    • ILikePants, on 02/29/2008, -21/+8The assumption is that the man will be making more. It's a common (and wrong) stereotype here in the US that ex-wives get all the money and men get screwed. In reality, women--especially if kids are involved--get the short end of the stick in a divorce.
      • drmangrum, on 02/29/2008, -2/+16*****
      • troye, on 02/29/2008, -1/+9ARE YOU ***** STUPID?
      • atticus8, on 03/01/2008, -0/+2"I'm an excellent housekeeper. Every time I get a divorce, I keep the house."
        - Zsa Zsa Gabor, proud eight-time divorcee, multiple house owner

        "You can't help but feel sympathy [for her], but you know, the solution is to get a divorce. For heaven's sake, if a man is cheating on you, you do what every other woman in the country does: Take him to the cleaners. Take his house, take his car, take his kids, take his respect in the community, and you can make him wish he were dead, but you don't get to kill him." - Houston Asst. District Attorney Mia Magness, regarding a woman who killed her cheating husband
        Source for above quote: http://tinyurl.com/27gh3q. There's more, it's very interesting.
        • atticus8, on 03/01/2008, -0/+1You must take the period off the above link in order for it to work. Sorry, the post went all weird and when I returned to it, time was up.
    • karaokekidd, on 02/29/2008, -2/+7In america, yes that is assumed. Also, Sweden has the dubious distinction of having the highest rate of female infidelity in the world, while the male infideility is one of the lowest in the world there! Source for statement: http://www.gnxp.com/blog/2007/05/infidelity-around ...

      In america, men are a slight bit more powerful than women, while in Sweden, women are a moderate bit more powerful than men!
      • alexkorova, on 03/01/2008, -0/+1Uhm, they don't even mention Sweden in that link...
  • adwarereport, on 02/29/2008, -4/+32No matter how great your relationship may seen, things change. There is no way to predict what will happen in 10 or 20 years. A child could die and destroy your marriage. The 7-year itch hits. Someone's childhood sweetheart comes back. Someone develops a drinking/drug problem.

    The people in the "prenup = no trust" camp have been proven wrong. To continue defending the idea that you don't need a prenup is just plain stupid.
    • aphexcoil, on 02/29/2008, -11/+7That's the risk in love. Love's rewards would't be so rewarding if there were no risks. You don't need a prenup to go into marriage -- just a clear head and knowing WHO you're getting into marriage with.
      • phronko, on 02/29/2008, -1/+8OK, but if it's true love, shouldn't it be able to withstand the implications of a prenup? And if so, why take a risk that is completely unnecessary?
      • paidhima, on 02/29/2008, -1/+14You're confusing an emotional bond with a business contract. Marriage is a contract, ratified by the state and entered into by the two partners. You would be retarded to enter into a contract with such a gaping hole.
      • drmangrum, on 02/29/2008, -0/+5So when does the plane leave for this wonderful fantasy world of you?
    • satanswetnipple, on 02/29/2008, -3/+7There is a way around it... a ten year engagement. Women can't keep up the ruse that long... so you are almost guaranteed to know who she really is. Of course that means any woman over 25 is too old to court because the biological clock will have pretty much run the course by the end of your engagement.
      • yohnstoppable, on 02/29/2008, -1/+2Which is why you court 15 year olds
    • confusednazgul, on 02/29/2008, -0/+1Personally, I kind of wish that prenups were required. That would save a lot of people trouble in the future, and it would avoid the potential conflict of having to bring it up to an insecure mate.
    • dekst3r, on 02/29/2008, -0/+0Lots of good points here that I can unfortunately attest to from experience. People can deceive; take advantage of background check resources. A long engagement also reduces the chances of being deceived.

      Like it or not, there is a difference between the legal contract of marriage and the relationship defined in religious books such as the Bible. You will be subject to the outdated and inadequate laws of the state regardless of your beliefs. Prenups are the only way to fix that and are perfectly reasonable if either spouse has any assets worth mentioning. (i.e., everyone should be required to have one unless your both 18 and don't have a penny to your names.
  • cornswalled, on 02/29/2008, -27/+8If the woman proposes, RUN.

    Christ is the head of the Church as the man is the head of the household, and a woman who proposes has no intention of being subservient to her husband as Christ intended.
    • TheInfamousOne, on 02/29/2008, -1/+13i loled
    • Angostura, on 02/29/2008, -1/+9But what if she proposes, while wearing a gimp suit?
      • simplechris, on 02/29/2008, -1/+1funniest comment ive read this week!
      • carpespasm, on 02/29/2008, -1/+1depends on if you're into that sort of thing.
    • FLLawLibrarian, on 02/29/2008, -0/+4wow... that comment is so terrifying, its humorous, I am not sure what age you think you are living in...
  • fxu1989, on 02/29/2008, -5/+6Why does a ***** piece of paper should declare how much I love a person ? I know I'm gonna be rich, marrying and divorcing will split my winnings in half, or even more at times -_- ... Yes, I think about it that way, and will continue to do so. There's always that "but what if it doesn't work out" in the back of my mind.

    I never really understood the sanctity of marriage and perhaps won't marry till I'm old, or possibly till I have a kid (when I'm older [40s])
    • Angostura, on 02/29/2008, -0/+6It doesn't declare how much you love another. It's purely ceremonial - but that's the point. You're making a public commitment to one another in front of friends and family. Plus you get to have a party. It is a societal rite of passage that is fun and can be rather moving if you want that kind of thing. We did, but that's just us.
  • Zaggynl, on 02/29/2008, -5/+2No definitions were found for prenup.
  • aphexcoil, on 02/29/2008, -8/+60I love a good sexist stupid article in the morning -- especially Fridays. Wow, I don't even know where to begin with this piece of trash writing.

    1) Women are making much more today than they were in the past. 50/50 swings both ways -- women can make as much or more than a man. If you're going into marriage worried about the possibility of losing money, maybe you better rethink your priorities and/or relationship.

    2) Just because a guy gets married does *NOT* mean he's going to sit on the couch all day and turn into a fat ass unless he has no self-respect for himself.

    3) As much as it is fun to make fun of "marriage" and assume that the bachelor life is the way to burn through life, a successful marriage *IS* possible and a beautiful thing. Like anything else in life, if you spend most of your time convincing yourself that it can't work, you'll probably find ways to make it not.

    • Weejay, on 02/29/2008, -17/+5boring
      • badenglishihave, on 02/29/2008, -3/+4Boring? YOUR comment was a complete waste of my time. So was writing this response.
    • troye, on 02/29/2008, -2/+6You can say whatever ***** you want. But I'm still getting my prenup.
    • Hermiod, on 02/29/2008, -0/+4Okay, if marriage is for love, then how about we do away with divorce settlements for good ? Both partners get what is theirs and that's it. If marriage is for love, then money should have nothing to do with it.
    • offwithyourtv, on 02/29/2008, -0/+2Also the lovely little tidbit right up there in the description: "...the fact that, in truth, all proposals are made by women."

      So if I have never once brought up marriage or even hinted at it, and my fiance proposed to me, I was somehow still responsible? Interesting. I didn't realize it was impossible for it to be the man's idea.
    • AriaStar, on 02/29/2008, -0/+1Well put. Thanks you.
  • Siksay, on 02/29/2008, -9/+3This is an absolutely brutal article. Talk about assigning essences to people. Feminism really is dead in North America, isn't it? Grow up!
  • cbrunet, on 02/29/2008, -0/+40My girlfriend is the one who asked me to be her boyfriend (go steady, be exclusive, whatever you want to call it). We've been together for over a year now, and I wouldn't put it past her to propose to me. I always told her that I don't mind getting her an engagement ring, but if she proposes to me I hope its with an Engagement HDTV.
    • GuruCesc, on 02/29/2008, -1/+7Engagement HDTV... that I would've liked!!! :)
    • ghall, on 02/29/2008, -4/+2Wait, Digg users have girlfriends?

      But really, same situation here. My girlfriend was the one who asked me out. I don't see anything wrong with that, I don't understand why it always HAS to be the guy.
      • cbrunet, on 02/29/2008, -0/+1I was taking my time with her. I wasn't sure what I wanted, and I knew she was getting frustrated, but I just wasn't sure if I was ready for that next step. Finally one day laying in bed, she just turned to me and asked me to be hers. I instinctively said yes, and all of a sudden all that fear and doubt I had instantly vanished. It was the right decision, I was just too stupid and scared to admit it, and if she hadn't asked me, I would have lost her forever.
  • ILikePants, on 02/29/2008, -7/+35Wow. Apparently, most women are borderline-personality disorder, soap-opera obsessed, committment-obsessed, sex-phobic freezepops who take advantage of poor, innocent men in order to steal all their money. Glad sexism doesn't exist anymore. :P
    • deadcrickets, on 02/29/2008, -5/+1I made brown.
    • satanswetnipple, on 02/29/2008, -6/+9Spot the person who has not had any relationship with a woman. There are good women out there, but they are as rare as hens teeth... though every crazy woman believes she is the perfect catch... no mater how violent, unfaithful, emasculating, unstable, irresponsible, vindictive, sexist, drunk/stoned, or needy she is.

      There are no protections for men, especially once they have fathered children (or at least when she has TOLD him he is the father). After reading your previous comment, If I was on the market, I would have already discounted you completely. Even if you do believe you are the best catch since Snow White.
      • ILikePants, on 02/29/2008, -5/+5I don't date people who don't like women, so I guess we both win.

        Actually, I think it would be more reasonable to say that there are good _people_ out there, but they are as rare as hens teeth. Men and women both suck to an equal extent. The differences are cherry picked and exaggerated.

        I'm not sure why men need special protections. Against what? If you're worried about paternity, get one of those newfangled paternity tests. Women also get screwed in a divorce--a whole WHOLE lot--and they don't have any special protections.
        • satanswetnipple, on 02/29/2008, -2/+11Women do not have any special protections? I would love to hear your opinion of that when you are 65 and have seen at least one of your sons get taken for everything he has, and is barely ever able to see his children... you will get to see your grandchildren for an hour or so every second year because his ex has all the power. Women are always arrogant about the status quo, until they see their sons go through the ***** they have been dismissing for decades. Ask my own mother. She was a royal bitch herself, divorce, taking most in the settlement, allowing her ex husband two days of visitation in ten years. She got a huge shock when she suddenly could not ever see her first grandchild because one of her sons had been taken to the cleaners the same way she had taken her ex husband.

          Before making grand statements, go look at what happens in divorce and family courts... see how many drug addict women get custody of the kids over responsible fathers.
      • troye, on 02/29/2008, -0/+3I agree with you dude.
    • badenglishihave, on 02/29/2008, -1/+3In my experience it's the women who really have trouble with commitment. Is it my imagination or is it always the women who end relationships?
      • troye, on 02/29/2008, -0/+3No, it's not your imagination. You are in fact experiencing reality.
      • s0nicfreak, on 02/29/2008, -2/+3Personally I (a woman) end relationships when I feel they are going to end in the future, so that I can be the one to end it and just be mad instead of hurt.
        • badenglishihave, on 03/01/2008, -0/+1Hmm that's interesting to hear. I'm not saying that women are WRONG to end the relationship in many cases =) although I'm also not sure I would ever end one based on what I think was going to happen in the future...
  • CaptainStone, on 02/29/2008, -4/+9Removing religious beliefs, what is the purpose of marriage?
    • Angostura, on 02/29/2008, -1/+9As a married atheist, I would say it is a public, ceremonial commitment to each other and the chance for friends and family to get together for a party and wish you luck. We went to a friend's gay wedding a couple of months ago and the same rationale holds.
      • simplechris, on 02/29/2008, -1/+2..but is "cermonial commitment" really any DEEPER than just "commitment". i'm not engaged or married, yet all of my family [and her family] are aware of our love and our plans to spend our lives together... so its already a public commitment? what intrinsic value does a ceremony have?
        • carpespasm, on 02/29/2008, -0/+1It's just sealing the deal I suppose. Your family and hers know that you two are committed to one another, but marriage makes it a hard and fast thing, so when someone asks about the status of your relationship, rather than explaining your feelings and intent for one another, you can just say "we're married" and people understand what that should imply.
        • Angostura, on 02/29/2008, -0/+1"yet all of my family [and her family] are aware of our love and our plans to spend our lives together". Did you stand up in front of them and tell them that? If so, you basically created your own wedding ceremony.
        • logosx1, on 02/29/2008, -1/+1Before our culture fell apart, a ceremony carried symbolic significance and represented a commitment not only between the bride and groom, but between the couple and the community at large -- namely, a commitment to act like civilized people rather than dogs mounting anything they find in the street.
      • Hamletlere, on 02/29/2008, -0/+8I'm another happily married atheist. In addition to all of these things you mentioned (and I agree with them), don't forget the legal protections and tax implications.
    • Murdats, on 02/29/2008, -0/+10same reason we hold funerals despite religious allignment.
      • drmangrum, on 02/29/2008, -2/+2Funerals aid in the grieving process, brings closure.
    • Envark, on 02/29/2008, -0/+1http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rights_and_responsibi ...
    • satanswetnipple, on 02/29/2008, -1/+3Wife swapping.
    • confusedwiseman, on 02/29/2008, -2/+2The purpose comes down to taxation, sadly. Civil Unions would make more sense to me for the legal aspect of it. Let people get married if they want with their religion. Maybe a civil union and a barbecue with lots of beer fits your style better than the traditional wedding.
    • ostracize, on 02/29/2008, -1/+1Religious marriage holds the same purpose. It is a public commitment.
    • theutopian, on 02/29/2008, -0/+1Three words, 'Marrying, Filing Jointly.' Your tax liability drops like an anchor in water, insurance goes down, debt costs go down. A single entity (marriage) representing two people (man/woman, woman/woman, man/man). It's not all a complete crapshoot and I'm amazed as how much misogyny there is out there. If you want to spend your life using women sexually, fine, but don't expect anything meaningful out of it.
      • atticus8, on 03/01/2008, -0/+1If you want meaning, buy a dictionary.
  • BrapAllgood, on 02/29/2008, -1/+15I am literally getting married today. She asked me. I unwittingly picked this date because it is fun. No pre-nup. :)

    A very timely post, says I.
    • lurntoospel, on 02/29/2008, -14/+4Enjoy your next few hellish years of subservience followed by your crippling divorce.
      • troye, on 02/29/2008, -4/+2Yup.
      • jcm267, on 03/02/2008, -2/+1You don't know how intentionally funny you were here. BrapAllgood is a real-life cripple already!
    • jonsangster, on 02/29/2008, -2/+3Grats!
      (ps: try to get get half her monies >:)
    • Th3Hamburgler, on 02/29/2008, -0/+18nice, only have to buy her anniversary present every 4 years too!
      • tacroy, on 02/29/2008, -2/+5But then you only get crazy anniversary sex every 4 years too.....
        • BrapAllgood, on 02/29/2008, -0/+7You are doing it wrong if you need an occasion to get crazy.
      • BrapAllgood, on 02/29/2008, -0/+6The way I see it, we get three 'nonniversaries' and one anniversary with each leap. :) Really, though, I picked this day because I have always wanted to celebrate SOMETHING on Leap Day.
    • oddtom, on 02/29/2008, -1/+8Best wishes to you. May it be a long and happy marriage.
    • GuruCesc, on 02/29/2008, -1/+6I will you t he best, but... where did you get the time to come to Digg today??
      • BrapAllgood, on 02/29/2008, -1/+3We are getting married, but there is no 'wedding'. I have plenty of time to be ready by this afternoon. :) Thanks for the wishes...and to you below me, too.
        • troye, on 02/29/2008, -4/+1I hope you get married, get divorced, and learn your lesson. We warned you.
    • ghall, on 02/29/2008, -2/+6Congrats. Now get off DIgg and get married!
    • troye, on 02/29/2008, -6/+2Your a ***** punk. You let that bitch sucker you in.
      • passedoutghost, on 03/01/2008, -1/+2And you're a ***** *****.

        Ontopic: Congrats on the marriage btw.
    • monospaced, on 02/29/2008, -1/+4...he was so young...with a bright future.
      Congratulations, seriously!
  • caponumen, on 02/29/2008, -4/+3Forcing you to propose or proposing, whats the real difference.....
  • Tyrghast, on 02/29/2008, -0/+6I tried reading the article but i saw "On Scarlett Johannsson's Breasts" and couldn't resist...
  • tacroy, on 02/29/2008, -3/+11Marriage today is worthless for the majority of the population. It is a religiously based idea that requires certain lifestyle and ideal changes to work. If you move away from those then whole idea doesn't work any more. We should separate the legal and the religious elements of marriage. People that have no interest in the "one person for life, joined together by God, let no one seperate" aspect of marriage shouldn't have to even put up a show. It's ridiculous to try and force religious ideas onto someone though the guise of a social construct.
    • o0joshua0o, on 02/29/2008, -0/+7There are certain legal advantages to getting married, especially if you plan to have kids.
    • Angostura, on 02/29/2008, -1/+9Sorry, who says its a religiously based idea? For some it may be. It wasn't for me or my wife, and neither was it for my parents who are coming up for their 60th anniversary and are atheists, as far as I know.

      In the UK the legal and religious elements have been separated already, which is why we had a civil ceremony. I reject the religious implications, I embrace the social construct/rite of passage.
      • tacroy, on 02/29/2008, -0/+3Cool, thats exactly what I think should happen in America, Separate the legal from the religious. There should be a clear separation between civil commitment and religious commitment, where each needs to adhere to the rules they themselves believe in. (My original post was speaking to my american experience, I did not mean to speak globally. I should have mentioned that, my bad.)
        • theutopian, on 02/29/2008, -0/+1Well, it has been seperated. You don't need to get married in a church. The JP will do it for you just like a the Registrar in England.
          • tacroy, on 02/29/2008, -0/+2True, but there is still very much a stigma attached to it. I know plenty of completely non-religious people that still go for the church wedding. Granted they don't believe in any of the teachings of the church in regards to marriage, but what would aunt martha think if we weren't married in a church!
  • LeRenard, on 02/29/2008, -3/+8My wife asked me out for the first time last Feb 29th.. amazing what can happen in four years! By the way, if you are concerned that "she may get half of your stuff" even before you are married, you should *not* be getting married. I'd give my wife the shirt off my back if she wanted it. I may feel differently in a divorce.. but before hand, I don't know why you would be contemplating marriage if that thought even crosses your mind.
  • morningmatters, on 02/29/2008, -0/+7After going to the weddings of her good friends and younger sisters, my wife who was my girlfriend back then gave me the choices of getting married in 3 months, or a complete breakup. I think many women get desperate in their late 20s after seeing friends/relatives all getting married.
    • lukemann, on 02/29/2008, -0/+7Can't really blame them can you? They have a biological clock to worry about. Why would a woman waste 3-7 years dating someone during her prime child bearing years and then when she's 33 the guy decides he doesn't want to get married? At that point she has to start all over again and isn't as marketable.
      • Frostek, on 02/29/2008, -0/+2What's marriage got to do with having children? Not that much it seems.

        My girlfriend doesn't want to get married... she says she prefers the sin!
    • s0nicfreak, on 02/29/2008, -1/+4And you actually got married? You poor sap. You should have kicked her to the curb for being manipulating. Enjoy your divorce.
    • weirdness67, on 02/29/2008, -0/+2You got punked.
  • ohcoaster, on 02/29/2008, -0/+4i have heard prenups don't hold up in court anymore. (at least in canada) I wonder if a woman is entitled to half of your retirement savings, even if it was started before marriage. I hope this isn't the case or there is absolutely no reason for me to even consider marriage. it would basically be a 50/50 gamble of being financially ruined in retirement. that said, as a 27 yr/old, all the quality marriage material women are hitched with kids already anyways.
    • karaokekidd, on 02/29/2008, -0/+6What? A 27 year old can date college girls who are childfree. Unless you are poor/low class/diminutive physique, you can land beautiful younger women.
    • s0nicfreak, on 02/29/2008, -0/+1I don't know about canada but in the US, yes.
  • gquaglia, on 02/29/2008, -0/+6What happens when a woman proposes?? That easy, the Digg user wakes up.
  • sremick, on 02/29/2008, -1/+9Most of this article is trash, but the last 3 paragraphs are gold:

    "But all this sniggering is really just to cover up the fact that, in truth, all proposals are made by women. “I haven't come across any instances where a woman has formally proposed,” says Dr Jacobson, “though I have heard of women inducing a proposal. In these cases it has been an explicit nudge for the man to get on with proposing.”

    Anyone who has ever been in a relationship of more than a couple of years knows this. After a couple of dates, she works out whether you're boyfriend material (you usually are) and can be forced to watch the Hollyoaks omnibus. After 12 months, she decides that it's time for you to cohabit. And after two to three years, it's a ring or you're out.

    A man proposing is merely an illusion of control, and getting down on one knee a cruel irony. Women have always made the decision to get married."
  • apetrie, on 02/29/2008, -0/+5Often people get married because they are planning to have kids together. Not always, but often. Often that means the woman will be, at best, pausing her career and at worse having to abandon it altogether and therefore setting herself back financially for the sake of bearing and raising the kids for at least the first few years of their lives. I'm not saying anything against prenups, in fact there seems to be a misconception that a prenup = she gets nothing. It completely depends on the situation, and most people planning on having kids together would recognize that the woman is about to go through a LOT of unpaid work and hurt her career, by choice of course, and therefore the prenup lays out compensation for that and the grounds for support of the future kids. My point is, if you feel that all women who get divorced and get some of their husbands money are just gold digging and don't deserve it, you really need to wake up to the reality of the situation.

    Marriage is a choice, its right for some couples and not for others. Prenups are the same. My partner, thankfully, is as interested or not in marriage as I am. I think it most important to make sure your plans match up or are compatible with each others. If you want to get married, and there is a huge financial imbalance pre-marriage or some other factor that makes you feel like you need a prenup, then get one. Random paranoia about "bitches stealing your money" when the numbers don't add up like that or you have a woman who truly loves you is a bit ridiculous. Do what makes sense for YOU and HER in YOUR relationship, whether that means a prenup or not.
    • jeremyah, on 02/29/2008, -3/+0or the man could refuse to have children altogether with her. how would she feel about that? her ability to procreate has been wiped out. Now if she decides to get pregnant down the road with her husband or another dude, its all up to her. So her having to, "go through alot" is ***** since she made the decision. In other words, if she wants to get pregnant, its going to happen either way. (husband or not), so why milk this stupid delusion that she loses out on alot. Her decision.
      A prenup doesnt mean there's a lack of trust from a man. it means he's thinking logically and with reason. with 50/50 statistics , who wouldnt in their right mind do this? Every man going into marriage thinks they've found the "one" and things will always remain the same. Women go into marriage hoping to change a man and men go into thinking things will stay the same.
      • apetrie, on 02/29/2008, -0/+2Are you stupid? The main point of my comment was that people should make sure they have the same goals before getting married. How then, is the situation your proposed even relevant? I also said nothing about a prenup meaning a lack of trust. In fact I never said people SHOULD NOT get a prenup. I said its about your individual situation and relationship. Basically, no general advice given about when, why or under what conditions you should or shouldn't marry is going to be true. Not all men have money, not all women are out to steal money from men. I'm not planning on changing my partner, I like him as he is. I'm sure we'll both change over time as everyone does. Generalizations are stupid.
    • furatail, on 02/29/2008, -1/+2You've obviously never been affected by the so called Gold Digger who's mindeset allows her to view a divorce as more as winning the lottery.That is strictly speaking for none child bearing familes. If kids are involved things change, but only if the money actually goes towards the kids. I have seen many females take advantage of the money and give their children nothing of it. I have also seen them abuse medical care by taking their children to see a doctor every couple of weeks simply because the exhusband was ordered to pay all medical expenses outside the normal exwife payout. I'de say, get a prenup no matter what. Don't marry psycho's and don't marry young.
      • apetrie, on 02/29/2008, -1/+1Big surprise, people are assholes. Some women will use the money intended for their children on themselves, some men don't want to have to give their kids money at all. Your point seems to be "people suck". If so, then I agree.

        Once again, my point is that every relationship is different. Guys seem to think that a prenup magically means he has to give his ex nothing when they get divorced. Earth to you idiots, they don't all say the same thing. None of the scenarios you put forth would be prevented by a prenup. Are you seriously thinking that if there's a prenup the guy would not have to pay medical expenses, or not have to support? How would it prevent abuses of the contract? IT WOULDN'T! Some people are selfish assholes, if you're lucky.. you won't end up with one. Its up to you to be a decent judge of character though, and no prenup will save you from hassles if you're dealing with a psycho ex, man or woman.
    • s0nicfreak, on 02/29/2008, -1/+1Having a prenup "for the children" is ridiculous. The man is going to have to pay child support either way; if the prenup says the wife gets 50% of his stuff, she will get 50% PLUS child support. And she does not have to go through a lot of unpaid work; she could get a job that has paid maternity leave, or paid vacation time and wait to have a child until she has amassed enough vacation time.
  • painhertz, on 02/29/2008, -1/+8I was proposed to at a hockey game on Feb. 29th 1996 by a girl I'd been dating for several months. She had a ring and everything. I said, "No." and she said. "Don't ever talk to me again."
    • alternateheaven, on 02/29/2008, -0/+4Consider yourself saved from what would have lasted maybe 2 years at tops and ended with total financial ruin or even worse.
  • 3by5, on 02/29/2008, -2/+1To quote John Mayer, "I can tell you this much, I will marry just once, if it doesn't work out give her half of my stuff, we said eternity..."
  • furatail, on 02/29/2008, -1/+5My fiance took me to Best Buy. While still in the parking lot she asked me to marry her and even presented me a ring. I guess after 6 years she got impatient. I accepted and she then bought me a game I wanted.
  • Truzseeker, on 02/29/2008, -0/+6Should be in the truth category if there was one. There are no rights for men in marriage, and that is the law. Been there and won't be married again unless its in some other country. In the US a custodial parent can commit welfare fraud and make the noncustodial parent liable for it. Marriage in the US is bull....
  • mwalker05, on 02/29/2008, -2/+2i would be embarassed if my woman proposed to me. if the man cant pick up on the hints that she is ready for him to propose, or if he doesnt have the nerve to propose... well lets just say they may want to rethink if they are ready for marriage.
    • confusednazgul, on 02/29/2008, -0/+3But why? Why is it the man's responsibility? Both people are capable of taking the initiative, so why shouldn't they?
      • Hermiod, on 02/29/2008, -0/+1Presumably because it's "better" if the man willingly decides to risk every penny he earns on the increasingly unlikely chance that he might die before his marriage ends.
  • HeroreV, on 02/29/2008, -5/+4"in truth, all proposals are made by women."

    Gee, thanks for completely ignoring all gay male couples in the entire world ever.
  • jcgisback, on 02/29/2008, -6/+2Buried for ignorance, stupidity and blatant sexism.
  • Blasphemous88, on 02/29/2008, -3/+4A proposal from a woman? I'll treat this exactly the same way I will when I some day I have children and I am speaking to them regarding drugs..... just say no.

    Prenups are absolutely necessary no matter what. A woman is offered sex every single day from a guy they probably barely if at all even know. Every single day. Are you going to seriously bet half of your hard earned money on the fact that she will say no every single day? Especially the way morals are now days. Yea sure she'll try to pass the lame "You don't trust me?" question on you. Don't let that daunt you. Let that daunt them. Maybe if they don't want to marry you anymore there is a perfectly good answer for you as to what her true priorities were. A prenup is just that; a document of trust. I trust you not to leave me but in case you lose your judgment, your not broke, I'm not broke, we part ways fairly.
    • theutopian, on 02/29/2008, -0/+5The idea behind your comment is what I find offensive. It's saying women exist just for ***** men. Most women have other priorities than just sex and don't spend on all day wondering wheter or not they want to cheat or take the *****'s offer who is hitting on her. The fact that they are offered sex every day from all around is not a good thing. It's annoys women to know end, especially the married ones.
      • Frostek, on 02/29/2008, -1/+1Aren't you forgetting that women cheat more than men? This was discussed recently on digg...
  • Hermiod, on 02/29/2008, -0/+2Dugg simply because the article had the guts to point out that marriage is a HUGE risk for men. If you have a job or any sort of money at all, you are better off agreeing that everything cost of living together gets split in half. Both partners pay their share and they keep what's left over. No pooling your earnings in to a joint account, because it's going to get cleaned out when things go wrong. Unfortunately, this means, in order to have such an arrangement, you can't get legally married.

    I am sorry if this seems cynical, but as the old saying goes - hope for the best, plan for the worst.
    • alternateheaven, on 02/29/2008, -0/+1not cynical just careful, which most people rushing into marriage tend to not be.
    • cprnow, on 03/01/2008, -0/+1I would think that same risk applies to the woman bringing money home, not just men...
      • Hermiod, on 03/01/2008, -0/+1Of course, it's just that, like it or not, men tend to still earn more than women and they're more likely to be the main breadwinner.

        It's funny, though, most women I know think Heather Mills should get nothing from her divorce from Paul McCartney. It's strange how the "take him for all he's worth" mentality disappears when they just don't like the woman involved.
        • cprnow, on 03/01/2008, -0/+0Yeah- can't argue with that. I believe that the assets and debts should just be divided down the middle regardless of who brought the $ home. The marriage was an agreement, a contract and when it dissolves....just divide everything up evenly and GTFO. I think that SOME men feel that they are being taken to the cleaners just because they didn't get to walk away with all of the assets and none of the debt.
  • oceanographer, on 02/29/2008, -0/+2“I expect that more women than ever will be proposing in 2008,” says Dr Sheri Jacobson

    I expect more men than ever will say no in 2008.
  • R75700, on 02/29/2008, -0/+1Just ask Cory Matthews
  • Scheissen, on 02/29/2008, -0/+1It's better to not get legally married.
  • BabyWookie, on 03/01/2008, -0/+1What happens? I put my knickers back on and leave, that's what happens.
  • cprnow, on 03/01/2008, -0/+0What the hell? This isn't the 1950s. Most married couples I know are double-income, so it isn't just the guy bringing money home. When you get a divorce most states are no fault anyway, and it's like a big balance sheet where each spouse's bottom line comes out the same when you divorce- assets and debts equally divided. Pretty sad, actually.
  • lolo2007, on 06/23/2008, -0/+0Prenups are absolutely necessary no matter what. A woman is offered sex every single day from a guy they probably barely if at all even know. Every single day. Are you going to seriously bet half of your hard earned money on the fact that she will say no every single day? Especially the way morals are now days. Yea sure she'll try to pass the lame "You don't trust me?" question on you. Don't let that daunt you. Let that daunt them. Maybe if they don't want to marry you anymore there is a perfectly good answer for you as to what her true priorities were. A prenup is just that; a document of trust. I trust you not to leave me but in case you lose your judgment, your not broke, I'm not broke, we part ways fairly.
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