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- Serifos, on 10/12/2007, -3/+52Are... are you crazy? Like, legally, certifiably insane?
- neoncode, on 10/12/2007, -2/+47That is the stupidest comment I have ever read.
- joeshlub, on 10/12/2007, -2/+23Don't mind him, he's in a happy home now.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+19http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/4715612.stm
- Twango, on 10/12/2007, -3/+19"...smart enough to take advantage of digg..."
An orangutang with a PC could "take advantage" of this mucky pit - Stonedonkey, on 10/12/2007, -0/+15Not likely.
From the BBC article linked above: "As for his quest to find evidence of a UFO cover-up, Mr McKinnon has said that he found some circumstantial evidence online to back his claims, including what he said are photos with what he speculated were alien spacecraft airbrushed out of the picture." - benbread, on 10/12/2007, -0/+13How do you know he's English? He could be Welsh, Scottish or from N. Ireland. UK != England ;)
- theoallardyce, on 10/12/2007, -2/+15Fat chance, we signed an extradition treaty with America that lets them take any British citizen they want. The US aren't even required to give a scrap of evidence, just their "word" - they say "bend-over", we enquire how far apart they would like us to spread 'em.
No, literally, im not exaggerating with the butt spreading! British citizens can be sent to a country that practices the death penalty, has dubious beliefs about the use of torture and isnt required to give our citizens any kind of legal aid. Just remember that if you think "if you're innocent you have nothing to hide" - you will need to provide your own lawyer and you will be subject to any methods the Americans may choose to 'interrogate' you.
Considering the Pentagon's own estimate of Guantanamo detainees who are 'most probably innocent' (its 80% if you're wondering) and the number of exonerated detainees who have been released after serving significant prison time, its very difficult to see how these treaties can exist without being misused, deliberately or accidentally.
I'm not sure who to be pissed off at more - the American government for being such dicks, our our government for being such pussies. - Beanseh, on 10/12/2007, -3/+15he should be tried and punished under our law(briton) america should stay out of other goverments bussiness and it is ours
- chucker, on 10/12/2007, -1/+12I think it's a parody.
Please tell me it's a parody. - theoallardyce, on 10/12/2007, -1/+11Not really, he was in the UK when he broke a US law and he UK-US extradition treaty is farcical and un-UK-constitutional. He should serve some prison time in the UK, that's all.
The UK-US extradition treaty essentially allows any UK citizen to be extradited to the US without any prima facie evidence and without access to legal aid. Of course, the same applies to the US - I bet allot of Americans dont know this, but the British government can order your extradition at any time and an American judge doesn't need to see a shred of evidence to approve it.
No im joking, the treaty only applies to UK, America can take any of our citizens at will but we can go ***** ourselves if we want an American. Thanks guys, much appreciated.
I wonder what our brilliant Labour government will do next - perhaps an extradition treaty with Saudi Arabia to allow blasphemers, homosexuals and adulterers to be taken from the UK and brutally stoned to death at the Saudi King's pleasure? - Moliket, on 10/12/2007, -3/+12Hmmm, I have a dilemma. How are some people smart enough to take advantage of digg, and yet dumb or ignorant enough to make comments like the one above?
- belfastbiker, on 10/12/2007, -2/+10"The US government alleges that [...] he hacked into dozens of US Army, Navy, Air Force, and Department of Defense computers, as well as 16 Nasa computers. It says his hacking caused some $700,000 dollars worth of damage. What's more, they allege that [...] the attack rendered critical systems inoperable. [...] once took down an entire network of 2,000 US Army computers. Using commercially available software, Mr McKinnon probed dozens of US military and government networks. He found many machines without adequate password or firewall protection."
1. I call *****.
2. If true, they should give him a medal for highlighting their utter lack of security. He could have been Al-Qaeda, North Korean, Chinese, Russian, whatever. But he wasn't. He was a ufo-loving troublemaker. If the guys in charge of security aren't paying someone to probe their defences, they're not doing their job. This guy was. - washcapsfan37, on 10/12/2007, -6/+13I was waiting for the anti-American pansies to kick in their two cents (or pence, in this case).
Don't give me this "America should stay out" crap. He knowingly entered and downloaded data from military systems on which he had no prior authorization. And he knew he was breaking the law when he did it -- even if he didn't alter or delete any information. On every DoD information system is a warning when you log in (via telnet, on a website or at a Windows/UNIX login screen) similar to:
"THIS IS A DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE COMPUTER SYSTEM. THIS COMPUTER
SYSTEM, INCLUDING ALL RELATED EQUIPMENT, NETWORKS, AND NETWORK
DEVICES (SPECIFICALLY INCLUDING INTERNET ACCESS), ARE PROVIDED ONLY
FOR AUTHORIZED US GOVERNMENT USE. DOD COMPUTER SYSTEMS MAY BE
MONITORED FOR ALL LAWFUL PURPOSES, INCLUDING TO ENSURE THEIR USE IS
AUTHORIZED, FOR MANAGEMENT OF THE SYSTEM, TO FACILITATE PROTECTION
AGAINST UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS, AND TO VERIFY SECURITY PROCEDURES,
SURVIVABILITY, AND OPERATIONAL SECURITY. MONITORING INCLUDES
ACTIVE ATTACKS BY AUTHORIZED DOD ENTITIES TO TEST OR VERIFY THE
SECURITY OF THIS SYSTEM. DURING MONITORING, INFORMATION MAY BE
EXAMINED, RECORDED, COPIED, AND USED FOR AUTHORIZED PURPOSES. ALL
INFORMATION, INCLUDING PERSONAL INFORMATION, PLACED ON OR SENT
OVER THIS SYSTEM, MAY BE MONITORED.
USE OF THIS DOD COMPUTER SYSTEM, AUTHORIZED OR UNAUTHORIZED,
CONSTITUTES CONSENT TO MONITORING OF THIS SYSTEM. UNAUTHORIZED USE
MAY SUBJECT YOU TO CRIMINAL PROSECUTION. EVIDENCE OF UNAUTHORIZED
USE COLLECTED DURING MONITORING MAY BE USED FOR ADMINISTRATIVE,
CRIMINAL, OR OTHER ADVERSE ACTION. USE OF THIS SYSTEM CONSTITUTES
CONSENT TO MONITORING FOR THESE PURPOSES."
He may have been physically located in the U.K. at the time, but his actions had direct impact in the U.S. If he has stood on the border of Mexico (for example) and shot a U.S. citizen standing on the other side, it would be the same (obviously not the crime, but the extradition situation).
Bunch of bloody wankers. - dagonweb, on 10/12/2007, -3/+9Well if that was the average american, please send some nuclear warheads to Iran as a present.
- foolonthehill, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6Indeed. Since then his extradition has been approved: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/5156136.stm
- Azimuth1, on 10/12/2007, -3/+9I guess America isn't as technologically advanced as it likes to think it is if one guy with a dial-up connection can hack into what is supposed to have the greatest security of all. They should ***** thank this guy for showing them how insecure their system is.
- rsin, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6"He said the photos in question were too large to download to his own computer.".
Uh ? If he saw the image, the data must have already been transferred to his computer... - esteban, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5"If he gets off scot free, I'll got kill somebody and launch an appeal once found (correctly) guilty?"
Is that bit in code or something? I can't make sense of it. - Septimus, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6xarc and harrison = ***** douche.
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This is just the US agencies trying to cover up how ***** their network security is. - Septimus, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6Hopefully we will have a PM who will scrap this special relationship with the US, it only causes the UK grief, and our armed forces have to clean the ***** up they leave behind.
Christ, when visiting the US (country is lovely) UK citizens are always treated like terrorists at immigration. I had to go to hospital there once, and it takes the piss on their checklist that if you come from the UK you have more chance of having TB!!!! WTF? The arrogance is outstanding. - nerd1701, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7Here's my point of view.
1. He broke the law - It doesn't matter how easy it was or if he showed a vulnerability. If you break into someones home and then claim that "they didn't have an alarm" you are no less guilty.
2. An example needs to be made - maybe he was just after some supposed UFO evidence or "free energy" information, but someone else might use that excuse in the future when they were really after something else.
3. Honeypot? Doesn't matter. He thought he was on the real system. This is no different than people saying that they were entrapped when they walk up to a policewoman posing as a prostitute or get caught in a pedophile sting.
4. Guantanamo Bay? Don't think so. It's just a way of trying to get some sympathy for the guy. He'll spend his time in a minimum security prison where they can keep his contact with real terrorists at a minimum. (They'd probably beat the crap out of him anyways.)
Lastly, I think the guy is a whack job. Anyone who thinks the government is covering up "Free Energy" or UFOs is nuts. They couldn't cover up a break-in to a hotel in 70s. They're just not that organized. - chedabob, on 10/12/2007, -3/+8America always shoves their oar in though.
- darkmule, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/41334000/jpg/_41334524_mckinnon-ap203.jpg
Hes kind of scary looking, maybe they should add on a few more decades just for that.. Makes me wonder if he was looking for his own kind. - datastorageguy, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6All he hacked were honeypot systems. He didn't break into top secret networks and he didn't find any evidence of UFOs. Enough already with this guy.
- Harrison88, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6Twango wtf are you talking about?!
There is no way he should be sent to Guantanamo. The place already been marked as illegal. Maybe if the US knew how to secure their computers they wouldn't have this problem. - JacNet, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6True, but that shouldn't make it lame.
- ElHombreloco, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4if I'm not mistaken he said he was using the computers via a remote desktop, so the picture would be loaded on the system, then a screenshot of the desktop (with the picture on it) would be made, compressed and send to his computer
seems plausible to me :p - esteban, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Looks like he was just trying to find information about his mother ship. Should have just bought a speak and spell.
- desu43fnoc, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Good for Gary. While I don't condone anyone to go out and hack, I do believe that liberation of information is the only way for humanity to truly progress.
The way our governments oppress us and keep us under control by hiding important information from us is truly appalling. The truth must be liberated!!!
Free GARY! - 5blocksfree, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3>> It says his hacking caused some $700,000 dollars worth of damage.
Right..that sounds like a number someone conveniently pulled out of their ass. - Herald42, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Does that mean you're pro war-on-terriers? You like to kick puppies? You're a sick, sick person.
- arusso, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Wow, you make my HS's Special Ed class look genius...
- chedabob, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3He'll get 30 at most, out in 5.
- TheDefiance, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3BBC interview from May last year with him.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=3dGc6RQ02xY - Corneliusm, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3"Anyone who thinks the government is covering up "Free Energy" or UFOs is nuts. They couldn't cover up a break-in to a hotel in 70s. They're just not that organized."
Politicians != US Military
The military has generally been pretty good about keeping peoples' mouths shut. Not that I believe in an alien cover-up, but I've seen some cool technology ten years ago when I had my TS clearance that still hasn't been declassified. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -3/+5"If found guilty, he could face up to 70 years in prison and may even be sent to Guantanamo Bay as a terrorist suspect." and monkeys may fly out of my butt.
- elamr, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3@Xarc13 says:
"This English ***** needs to be made an example; You ***** with us/U.S. and you will be sorry. Britain will be muslim-dominated in 10 years so let them think they matter now.
America FTW!!"
This is hilarious. What is even more funny is that there are so many with this pre-rational attitude.
"America - ***** the world" that is the kind of attitude inspired Nazi Germany to kill 6 million jews and attempt to subjugate the entire world. Its surprising how many people have that type of ignorance. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Instead of this old and busted news about this guy how about we have news about the UFO that was spotted over O' Hare on January 1st? No? Okay.
- P5ycHo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Huh? Did he kill, or try to kill an individual, or group of individuals? Did I miss something?
- zcreem, on 10/12/2007, -0/+240 years old plus 70 in gitmo, he is sure going to stink for the last decade or so.
- SifuMoKung, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1They should offer him a job.
- chedabob, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Damn, that was powerful.
V For Vendetta anyone? - LooseCannon1, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1More lies meant to fuel the nutty left:
"...may even be sent to Guantanamo Bay."
From the BBC report
"..A decision in the case was originally due in February 2006 but was postponed as the UK sought assurances from the US about some issues in the case.
The UK wanted to be sure that Mr McKinnon would not face a military tribunal, will be eligible for parole and that he would not serve his sentence at Guantanamo Bay.
Once the judge in the case had these assurances he agreed to let Mr McKinnon be extradited."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/5157674.stm
The guy is not going to G-bay. Enough. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1If I were this guy, I'd change my name and "go missing" right now.
- Wetzilla, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1No, he means from November. RTFA. "The paper adds that some employees were "shaken" by the incident, which occurred Nov. 7 but had only recently been verified by the Tribune."
- jeremy66158, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2http://freegary.org.uk/
- phatmikey, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I think (I hope) that he's joking.
- colincornaby, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Seems plausible only if he had a 4 megabyte hard drive.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3shame that concentration camp exists.
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