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- implied, on 10/11/2007, -10/+325This story is ***** *****. Torrentspy.com is hosted in the Netherlands. Case closed.
Name: torrentspy.com
Addresses: 82.192.86.142
inetnum: 82.192.86.0 - 82.192.86.255
netname: LEASEWEB
descr: LeaseWeb
descr: P.O. Box 93054
descr: 1090BB AMSTERDAM
descr: Netherlands - Fhionnlaoch, on 10/11/2007, -10/+152First they came for the Napsters, and I didn't speak up because I didn't use Napster.
Then they came for Kazaa, and I didn't speak up because I didn't use Kazaa.
Then they came for Torrentspy, and I didn't speak up because I didn't use Torrentspy.
Then they came for PirateBay, and by that time there was no one left to speak up. - kazamx, on 10/11/2007, -8/+109I think its important to spread the word to as many people about this as possible, so they can monitor what TorrentSpy decide to do. If TorrentSpy agree to this I recommend EVERYONE stops going there. Kill the site and help build up some of the other ones.
- inactive, on 10/11/2007, -4/+80This "judge" is clearly outside of his authority to do this.
You can't Constitutionally force someone to spy for the Govco, then give the results to a private party.
Yet one more reason we need a citizen's oversight committee with the authority to impeach and imprison these judges. Because they are obviously not being watched as things are now. - DatoeDakari, on 10/11/2007, -4/+65Tell everyone!
- inactive, on 10/11/2007, -13/+72You guys let those ***** corporations get too powerful, now they think they own you and everything you do.
Take back the power. STOP going to movies. STOP buying the music. STOP watching TV. STOP buying coke, in fact STOP buying anything you see advertised on corporate TV, find the alternative product. STOP wearing corporate logos on your hats!!! Why the ***** are you giving them free advertising???
Its the only way they'll learn to leave you the ***** alone. - Yoshi39, on 10/11/2007, -19/+77Isohunt has in my opinion always returned better search results then torrentspy (but torrentspy has a much nicer interface).
http://isohunt.com/ - crazybrit, on 10/11/2007, -8/+63"Yeah because if you kill it and create new ones.. what do you think will happen?
Next time they won't warn you before ordering the site to log its visitors.
Morans."
There are so many unintentionally funny things about this comment. - ImYourRealDad, on 10/11/2007, -1/+47TorrentSPYINGONYOU.com?
- weeeezzll, on 10/11/2007, -1/+40@implied
"This story is ***** *****. Torrentspy.com is hosted in the Netherlands. Case closed."
Case not closed. It doesn't matter where the site is hosted. What matters is where the owner of the site resides, or where the company of said site resides. The court can not order the web hosting company in the Netherlands to shut down the site, but they can order the US based company/person that manages the site to shut it down.
The ruling is utter ***** though. This is like a cop arresting a suspected drug dealer with out evidence and then the court ordering the defendant to go out and record himself selling drugs to present as evidence against himself...and while he is at it to record other people around him committing crimes... - 1view, on 10/11/2007, -13/+50http://btjunkie.org is even better IMO
- shyner, on 10/11/2007, -5/+41RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE!!
- Lixie, on 10/11/2007, -0/+30FTA: "A complaint issued by TorrentSpy suggests the MPAA paid a hacker $15,000 to steal e-mail correspondence and trade secrets. The hacker admitted that this was true."
Why that Benedict Arnold bastard! - biffsputnik, on 10/11/2007, -1/+31@ suckmydigg
http://memewatch.com/thelist/archives/pix/morans.jpg - ACrazyGerman, on 10/11/2007, -6/+34"Double FRICK!"
- Error601, on 10/11/2007, -4/+29Or $0 to just not buy it. It's not like you need a movie to live.
- Ramble, on 10/11/2007, -3/+27We don't want your ***** site you *****.
- RadioFreeOpium, on 10/11/2007, -4/+25torrentspy is one of my top 2 torrent sites along with mininova (which is #1) so while this news, if true, is bad, I know that there will always be more torrent sites to replace it. And that judge can suck my balls. All night long.
- automagnus, on 10/11/2007, -7/+28shhhhhhhhhhhhh... Don't tell anyone
- RevJonathan, on 10/11/2007, -2/+22Actually, when they came for the pirate bay, we were mad for a day, and then pirate bay popped back up with a funny email response to the people who shut them down.
- banthis, on 10/11/2007, -2/+21*Delete's TorrentSpy from bookmark*
- DatuPuti, on 10/11/2007, -1/+20wtf is "secondary copyright infringement."?? is there also an Nth copyright infringement?
- DaedalusX, on 10/11/2007, -7/+25Just use a private tracker.
- jeriqo, on 10/11/2007, -2/+20That wouldn't change anything.
That would be worse actually because they can associate your user name with locations, match them, etc. - geminitojanus, on 10/11/2007, -0/+16Actually you can constitutionally, there's no part of the constitution that strictly prohibits the abilities of one person to spy for another. Whether or not it makes legal sense with all of the other laws floating around out there is completely another question.
More importantly, he's out of his depth due to jurisdiction; the company is in the Netherlands, no US court can block any activities that take place there, period. Besides, TorrentSpy can always just block American visitors and it's all done and over with. Those who care will resort to proxies or just move on to some other site.
All-in-all, non-story. TorrentSpy can just keep doing what it's doing and go on about its life.
"If you're the third party and refuse to provide the information, they come and haul you to jail. "
Yeah, the MPAA is going to have quite the battle hauling anyone to jail from the Netherlands with an American subpoena, as it's tort law and not criminal. - kris33, on 10/11/2007, -3/+18That was centuries ago, before Europe invaded it.
- weiss, on 10/11/2007, -1/+16EXACTLY. now they're just making up laws as they go about! good job MPAA!!!!!!!!!11
- widman, on 10/11/2007, -1/+16Not all companies are like that. And if you have clothes with brands you look like a tool straight out from the mall.
- gargeug, on 10/11/2007, -1/+15If you buy from all of these independent companies, then eventually the independent companies become the large corporations. Where does it end? We need to find a new way of living, but what?
- draebor, on 10/11/2007, -1/+15Excerpt From Wikipedia entry on Judge Jacqueline Chooljian:
"Judge Chooljian was most recently an Assistant United States Attorney and Special Counsel to the US Attorney for the Central District of California. While with the US Attorney's Office, she served in a number of important positions, including Chief of the Criminal Division. She has also received the Director's Award for Superior Performance from the U.S. Department of Justice, and commendations from the U.S. Attorney General and the Los Angeles County District Attorney's Office.
Additionally, she has received awards from the FBI, DEA, and IRS."
Sounds to me like she's pretty popular with prosecutors. She's probably bought and paid for by lobbyists. - 0siris, on 10/11/2007, -3/+16Why don't we stop buying everything and return to the days before the industrial revolution... I can spend the day dipping candles while my family knits clothes for the long winter. Our problem is not corporations, but a broken legal system which ignores laws, and randomly discovers clauses of laws that were never written. Our judicial system has the ability to legislate.
- themoose, on 10/11/2007, -0/+12Oh, the irony.
- shaun1018, on 10/11/2007, -1/+12Sorry for the comment abuse but check this out... The MPAA Hacker has gone double turncoat! Long live TorrentSpy!
http://torrentfreak.com/mpaa-hacker-now-working-with-torrentspy/ - inactive, on 10/11/2007, -0/+11Doesn't anyone remember Scour? RIP scour.
I would say RIP irc...but it's still around, just not as popular anymore (fortunately for irc pirates, it takes some of the pressure off them.) - kingyubba, on 10/11/2007, -4/+14America: Land of the Free?
- Iconwolf, on 10/11/2007, -4/+14@Fhionnlaoch
Yeah, but look at it from a military strategy viewpoint. You have an opposing force (Napster). Rather than working for it for an amicable settlement, you assault the force. You "kill off" some of it, but the bulk of it is merely scattered to the wind in several smaller "cell", Each cell manages to gain a convert or two. They smash another cell, but again they don't really "kill off' the bulk of the cell, they merely splinter it once again, and again each cell gains a few converts. Occasionally a few "cells" will unify into a slightly larger entity, making them a bit stronger but slightly more easy to squash.
If they were "killing off" these entities that would be one thing but they aren't. Now instead of one unified force, who might gain converts here or there, you've got dozens, even hundreds, of smaller opposition forces, all gaining converts at a faster combined rate than the unified force would have (for every "enemy combatant" the industry takes out the "pirates" generally gain another convert).
Meanwhile the industry is slowly taking "casualties" of their own, with only a limited pool of reserves and no real method for gaining "converts" of their own.. They are simply wearing themselves out while creating an "enemy" that is increasingly harder to fight that is not taking any substantial loss of to their forces (in fact while the individual "cell" may be small, the overall "pirate army" appears to be growing at a nice rate).
From a military standpoint this "war" is being fought in one of the worst manners possible.
BTW this also highlights a good example of why we are largely getting our assed whipped in Afghanistan and Iraq. - inactive, on 10/11/2007, -10/+19Only affects Americans, nice draconian society you have there guys.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draco_%28lawgiver%29 - Herald42, on 10/11/2007, -1/+10@AegisGfx:
How can we stop buying things we see advertised on TV if we don't watch TV? - SweetMercury, on 10/11/2007, -0/+9@aegisgfx:
"You guys let those ***** corporations get too powerful, now they think they own you and everything you do."
Actually, we let the government get too powerful. We sat back and allowed them to grant grand, sweeping ever-lengthening monopolies on ideas to corporations in the name of copyrights, and now legally, they DO own everything you do. If the government didn't have the power to grant these thought-monopolies, they couldn't cause the trouble they are causing now. - PopcornDave, on 10/11/2007, -0/+9@kazamx
Instead of bypassing the site if indeed they are tracking users, the logical thing would be to use TorrentSpy solely for looking for public domain torrents and just put a bug up the RIAA's ass. If all they're getting back are legal downloads, it sort of shoots down their argument doesn't it? - Error601, on 10/11/2007, -0/+7An essential component of a fair legal system is everyone can subpoena information for their case. You can do it too. Resolution of disputes must have all the information on the table. Concealment of information is contempt.
- lavoie0ca, on 10/11/2007, -0/+7Don't you people read the article? Founder of torrentspy says in it that they will block access to the US before they start log files.
- DDRSkata, on 10/11/2007, -0/+7What kind of country are we in where judges can decide, with no legal basis, that a company FROM ANOTHER COUNTRY must break its agreements (essentially a contract) with its users and provide their private information to a PRIVATE COMPANY? Not even the police. A private corporate entity. This is so *****.
- jeriqo, on 10/11/2007, -1/+8So, if the MPAA did the same with demonoid, you think you'd be safe because it is "private"?
- pipman2004, on 10/11/2007, -5/+12Thank god for Canada not completely allowing its government to control us. When u get out of line your taken out of office! So America good luck with Bush and his corporate goons!
- geminitojanus, on 10/11/2007, -3/+9"5th Amendment?"
The 5th Amendment is a right that only applies to American citizens, the right to not /self/-incriminate. These guys wouldn't be self incriminating, they'd be pointing to the others doing the "crime" (tort). An argument could possibly be made that they're aiding, but the fact is pretty clear: providing the details on how to do something is protected speech in America.
But it's still irrelevant because they're not in America, nor are they Americans. - Renton, on 10/11/2007, -3/+9Anyone know when the next open registration for demonoid is?
- thefreshbeats, on 10/11/2007, -1/+7I'd choose corporations over wild man-eating bears anyday. Bears have no limits, they kill everything. Corporations just ***** people.
- zeiben, on 10/11/2007, -0/+6Am I wrong, or does the industry even need this kind of thing? As I understand it, NBC, for example, just downloads torrents of their own shows and sends hostile letters to the ISPs of every connecting peer (yes, I got one). Seems like they can cast a pretty wide net that way.
- dustyshadow, on 10/11/2007, -0/+6Anyone else find it funny that the MPAA hacker is named Mr. Anderson??
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