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- Hallik, on 10/11/2007, -8/+472What else could it be? When you're in a situation like this, you're going to assume the gun is loaded, because if you don't, it's your ass on the line. Someone had to be killed that moment, and it was better that the thug die, because who knows what other atrocities he would have committed, granted that next time he'd actually load bullets.
- Caruthers, on 10/11/2007, -8/+357@Patscru
How can the 53 year-old man be at fault in this situation for using his gun to defend himself against an armed carjacker? - inactive, on 10/11/2007, -12/+296@PATSCRU:
"are you crazy? If the 53 year old wasn't toting a gun, no one would be dead"
Are you stupid? If that 18yo had not been robbing people with a gun, no one would be dead or robbed. Or did you forget that the 18yo was holding people up at gun point? He got what he deserved for pulling a deadly weapon on someone. - inactive, on 10/11/2007, -12/+285@ HenvY:
"The guy should have just given him his ***** car. Do people like this prefer killing a kid to handing over their wallet? He'd rather shoot somebody in the face than let them have his old POS car which he'll get the value of back from from insurance anyway?"
The thug should have gone to school, gotten an education, then gotten a job. But, he would rather pull a deadly weapon on someone and take their money, their car, and, if the gun had been loaded, their life.
Why are you blaming the victim of the crime for defending himself? - mrharvey518, on 10/11/2007, -27/+276PATSCRU + HenvY
I would prefer it if people weren't robbing other people. This article states that this was the third robbery of the day for this person. So yes, honestly I am glad that he is dead, he will never hurt anyone again. The shooter deserves a medal. - Terr01, on 10/11/2007, -17/+224@PATSCRU: Please tell me you're trolling, because I like to cherish whatever small scrap of belief I retain in the basic dignity and intelligence of my fellow humanoids.
- raybury, on 10/11/2007, -15/+199@Patscrud:
I am a survivor of testicular cancer. I had one ball removed. I still have one more than you. - fober, on 10/11/2007, -21/+197The only way I'm going to support arming everyone with guns is if they turn FF off and set respawns to 10 seconds.
- ripstuntz, on 10/11/2007, -5/+157Moral of the story: Don't break the law and you can live a long, happy, and overall productive life.
- monsterenergy, on 10/11/2007, -8/+137@Patscru/Henv
You're giving the message that it is alright to rob someone else. Why the hell do the victims have to surrender? They haven't done anything wrong. You can complain only if the victim doesn't deserve death - roosterjm2k2, on 10/11/2007, -3/+119I don't understand where this pussified view of "you should just give them what they want" came from.
People used to defend themselves. People used to take pride in the fact that they would not be pushed around.
People always ask the dumbass rhetorical question: "Is your car worth losing your life?" No, the car isn't. The principal of it though, maybe. Or, what happens next, after he takes the car? As he's speeding away, full of adrenaline? Maybe he hits someone at a sidewalk and kills them. Maybe the car is used in a drive-by. Hell, maybe he gets in the car, and kills you anyways because your the only witness.
When I lived in Rhode Island (10-ish years ago) a similar story happened. A carjacker was stopped by his victim (the guy punched him in the back of the neck when he was getting in the car, the shock to the brain stem killed the attacker). In his pocket, they found 4 more loaded clips for the gun, and a suicide note saying how all of the people he killed deserved to die....he hadn't killed them yet, he was trying to take the car to drive from providence to warwick, MA to his former workplace. Had the victim of the carjacking not fought back, others most likely would have died.
Put yourself in the shoes of the victim of the above story. If you just did nothing, and found out the guy had killed all those people, how would you feel. Knowing that you didn't even try. Legally, of course, you're completely innocent, but how would that sit on your concience?
People willing to put a gun in your face to get what they want are probably willing and able to do a whole lot more than that to the next person, or the next person.
Now we tell our kids to be weak, to be spineless. No wonder crime rates are so high, we let it happen, we practically ask for it by saying "go ahead, take it, we're not going to resist...is there anything else I can give you today?" We're raised with a victim mentality, and we're taught at an early age to play the part.
The police cannot be expected to defend people unwilling to defend themselves. - inactive, on 10/11/2007, -12/+92PATSCRU + HenvY
Please tell me where you live so I can rob you. You two will be such easy targets. - AJH16, on 10/11/2007, -10/+86@Patscru/Henv - you are both forgetting the fact that had the thug had a loaded gun and little value of life, he could have easily killed the guy after taking his car. There is no way for the guy to know that all he would lose is his car. Don't go accusing the guy until you have a gun pointed in your face and choose not to protect yourself from getting your head blown off.
- thatsmyaibo, on 10/11/2007, -5/+68People need to start sticking up for themselves like this. In LA, whenever the police do their job, there is an investigation. This is one less petty thug roaming the streets.
- MaynardJK, on 10/11/2007, -3/+61I don't live in Detroit and this story made my day (no Dirty Harry pun intended).
- iceperson, on 10/11/2007, -1/+57"Simply put, violence begets violence"
Except in this case violence stopped further violence... - mourne, on 10/11/2007, -3/+56"The guy should have just given him his ***** car. Do people like this prefer killing a kid to handing over their wallet? He'd rather shoot somebody in the face than let them have his old POS car which he'll get the value of back from from insurance anyway?"
Have you ever wrecked a car? Or had it stolen? You only get something for your car if you have full coverage (or added theft coverage). But even so, when have you EVER seen an insurance company give you what your car is worth? And worth meaning enough money to get another car of the same quality.
This argument is simply silly, even if all you care about is losing your car. I'm glad he plugged that little bitch. Send a message that you can't go around robbing people. - torgos, on 10/11/2007, -12/+64@PATSCRU:
How does it feel to be at minus 75? I think that means your ideas are kind of stupid. Someone is running around robbing people with a gun, they're asking to get shot. I say good riddance to that idiot. - ACrazyGerman, on 10/11/2007, -4/+55America needs more people like this guy. No one is going to rob you if they know you have a gun and are 100% willing to shoot you.
- Blisshead, on 10/11/2007, -4/+54Unreal that there are people here blaming the victim, saying in essence that he should have taken his chances and maybe surrendered his life, that attitude is shortsighted and morally corrupt at best.
- geomon, on 10/11/2007, -5/+46A friend of mine shot and killed a guy who held up his store a year ago. When the guy pulled the gun on him all my friend could see was the firearm. He slowly reached for the till and grabbed the cash with one hand and grabbed his .44 with the other. He put 10 rounds in the guy until he could only hear the gun making a *click* *click* noise. He said the whole thing was like a surreal, out-of-body experience that happened so quickly he didn't even feel like he was there. The adrenaline was pumping so hard though him he could only react; the guy hit the floor and was rolling around so my buddy kept shooting because he thought he was trying to get his gun. Little did he know it was his death throws.
Only after it was all over and the police arrived did he find out that the guy tried to hold up the store with a pellet pistol. The bad luck for both my buddy and the dead robber was that the pellet pistol didn't have one of those orange tips on the end to indicate that it was a toy gun.
But the guy who was killed robbed two other stores in the same area with the same gun. He left behind a wife and two kids. Everyone that knew the robber was interviewed by the papers and their first question was "Why did he have to shoot him 10 times?". They never asked "Why did the idiot walk in and try to rob the store?"
Go figure. Now my friend is still dealing with the post-traumatic stress of having killed someone. No one ever thinks about that. Just the fact that he put 10 bullets in the guy who might have killed him had it been a *real* gun. - bemenaker, on 10/11/2007, -3/+40This crowd isn't the bleeding heart liberals everyone wants to make us out to be. We are much more like libertarians than anything. Maybe with a left lean from there. So, yeah, give everyone a fair chance, but if some fuhqer comes at you with a gun, make a choice, him or me. :)
- newstart, on 10/11/2007, -12/+48Exactly!
- Makubex, on 10/11/2007, -1/+36Considering the subject matter of this article, I really wonder how effective that ad for houses and apartments in Detroit on the side of the page has been.
- thcobbs, on 10/11/2007, -3/+37What? A moron forgetting to load his gun?
Honestly, anyone who pull a gun on someone (loaded or not) should be prepared to die shortly thereafter. This is what overzealous gun control will get you... kids who think they can just brandish a gun and get whatever they want. Luckily for this older gentleman, the gun wasn't loaded...
Anyone who points a gun at me, better be prepared to use it.... because when I get my hands on a weapon, he/she's dead. - DaneArden, on 10/11/2007, -4/+37"The guy should have just given him his ***** car" sure because we know if you give in to threats and give up your property the criminals wont hurt you right?
/sarcasm - karmajunkie, on 10/11/2007, -9/+41Don't feed the trolls....
- pbaehr, on 10/11/2007, -1/+33@mandarin: No, he is clearly a boisterous fan of short-sleeved attire.
- eudyptes, on 10/11/2007, -6/+37think of it as evolution in action!
- neoblaque, on 10/11/2007, -2/+32As a person who has had a pistol to my head in an attempted car jacking, I could not tell if it was loaded or not. If I had a gun, I would have shot him too, with absolutely no regrets. I was able to get out of the situation, but that thug is probably still trying to car jack others. Good riddance to bad rubbish.
- sjl127, on 10/11/2007, -0/+30Police would have done the same exact thing.
- ShazerFox, on 10/11/2007, -1/+30If you threaten peoples' lives in this country (except on school grounds, of course) you'd better expect some resistance.
- Destruckt, on 10/11/2007, -5/+33I have to agree with you, if someone pulls a gun and threatens your life, how are you supposed to react? If the guy had tried to rob him without a weapon perhaps he would of gotten away with his life, instead of death.
If more stuff like this happened armed robbery would go down.
Edit: However, I do have sympathy that someone did die needlessly, but it was to his own fault. - MentalAbortion, on 10/11/2007, -0/+27I like the way that article was finished.
"Then they gave him back his gun."
And its a 53 yr old man, with all the robbery against older people lately i could see why he felt the need to defend himself. Also I think the baseball bat was definently loaded. - ericatdigg, on 10/11/2007, -1/+28Anyone who faults the old man is just not thinking straight.
Suppose I walk up to you on the street with a gun pointed at you...would it be safe to speculate that I meant you harm? Read the news people.
I'd like to see more gangsta' thugs come to understand the basic concept of respecting other people and that your favorite rap artists mad beats don't translate directly to the real world. Know what I'm sayin' yo. - Jeveran, on 10/11/2007, -3/+30Those who don't regularly use or carry weapons don't seem to understand -- if you have it out, reasonable expectation is that you are prepared to use it. If it is a weapon that requires ammunition, reasonable expectation is that it is loaded. So, if you are holding a firearm and are pointing it at someone, the reasonable expectation is that you are willing to fire your weapon at that person.
If you are the person at whom the weapon is aimed, it is your reasonable expectation that your life is in immediate danger, and you are free to do anything in your power to remove that danger. Deadly force is legitimately countered by deadly force.
If you prefer not to think in these terms, then I invite you to put your fingers in your ears and chant "la la la la". - pathy, on 10/11/2007, -3/+29I can't work out if you're talking about a gun or your penis.
- diggduggjoe, on 10/11/2007, -1/+26Yes, concealed carry laws reduce crime. When the perps know the victims are not helpless, it takes the fun out of it. That punk was expecting the fear of his unloaded weapon to be enough to have the victims of his crime spree give him everything. He got everything, alright. He deserved it, too!
If, the 53 year old gunned down a toddler with a squirt gun, I would be against him. However, he shot a guy who could have shot and killed him, even if he had given him the car. The fact the thug had an unloaded weapon was unknowable and foolish to assume in that situation. - thcobbs, on 10/11/2007, -2/+27Guns, like any tool, when used correctly ARE good.
Guns, like any tool, when used incorrectly are HAZARDS. - mutatron, on 10/11/2007, -3/+27@HenvY,
I guess if you were on United 93, you would have taken the hijackers word for it, that everyone would be safe if they just sat back and relaxed. - KevinC442, on 10/11/2007, -3/+26Anyone who says the guy shouldn't have killed the "thug" is an idiot. Who in their right mind when in that situation WOULDN'T have reacted the same way? If someone is threatening my life, you bet your ass I'm going to do everything in my power to defend my life. He got what was coming to him.
I wouldn't be surprised if the guy goes to jail for this some how. - Smaque, on 10/11/2007, -2/+25Live by the gun, die by the gun.
- mandarin, on 10/11/2007, -2/+25Bear arms dude not bare arms.
- sexybobo, on 10/11/2007, -1/+23OMG Steve did you really just compare threatening a persons life with a deadly weapon to copyright infringement? I really hope you are just trolling
Also self defense has a definition "Self-defense refers to actions taken by a person to prevent another person from causing harm to one's self, one's property or one's home."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-defense - rebopper, on 10/11/2007, -6/+28Look at the gun laws in Switzerland, yet no gun problems.
(for those that don't know, every man has a gun in Switzerland.) - thcobbs, on 10/11/2007, -2/+24Yes, I can blame the kid on wanting to TAKE something that didn't belong to him by using a gun.
I've lived my entire life around guns... I'm a damn good shot and have the medals to prove it... I've never once thought about taking a gun and robbing someone because I would rather earn what I get by hard work. And I knew the value of a life to the extent that I would never raise a gun against another person unless the someone's life was in jeopardy.
Where I'm from it's called "being raised right".
So, yes... I can blame the stupid kid for trying to steal. - WilliamDavis, on 10/11/2007, -0/+22"Those who don't regularly use or carry weapons don't seem to understand -- if you have it out, reasonable expectation is that you are prepared to use it."
You forgot to tell them why. Responsible people are taught that you never, ever, point a gun at someone unless you are planning to kill them immediately. Loaded or unloaded, they aren't toys. Oh, and it's also said that pointing a gun at someone can get you killed, which is exactly what happened here. - aeproberts, on 10/11/2007, -7/+29If you are stupid enough to be carrying a gun (loaded or unloaded) then you should be prepared for the consequences, one of which might be coming up against someone with a gun of their own......I believe it is called Natural Selection.
- SnuKs, on 10/11/2007, -0/+21@PATSCRU
Why the ***** are you blaming the 53 yr old man for this sayin if he didn't have a gun that no one would, be dead. Well guess what smartass, if the kids didn't rob and threaten anyone in the first place this wouldn't of happen! These kids were just stupid enough to pull their ***** on someone who was actually armed.
You tell me PATSCRU would you still be sayin the same thing if the 53 yr man was a undercover cop or a protective mother with her kids in the back seat? I think you have an assumption of the shooter being some trigger happy redneck waiting for a chance to shoot someone, which in turn is clouding the bigger picture here.
@ HenvY
Just give up the car huh and not kill the robber huh? I'll give you that. There wouldn't be any bloodshed, but ultimately you're letting the robber get away TO DO MORE CRIMES! Remember this was a chain of robberies. The man thought his life was in danger and he LEGALLY had a gun, so he made a choice.
I'm not saying I'm happy someone die, but that's usually the end result if you act the way these kids did. - thcobbs, on 10/11/2007, -10/+31Welcome to the world of over-liberalization.
Premise: Anyone can do anything they want as long as no one else is getting hurt.
The kid's gun was unloaded, so he was not going to hurt anyone
The man's gun was loaded and he killed the kid
Therefore, the man is in the wrong. -
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