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- chicken101, on 10/12/2007, -1/+51From google:
"The reason for this is that the state of Michigan implemented a tax credit for biodiesel blends (the credit goes to the blender, not the end consumer except in the price). The credit is a penny per gallon for each percentage point of biodiesel. So B50 has a 50 cent per gallon credit, and B99 has a 99 cent per gallon credit. They don't sell 100% biodiesel anymore, though, because that's not a "blend." - austenw, on 10/12/2007, -15/+64Take that Ford!
Sneaky, conniving bastards. - sycho, on 10/12/2007, -4/+47"I could only imagine what moron skips over an M3, S4, 335i, or even a used Aston or Porsche over a truck..."
Ever try to haul something?
Idiot. - Cruelapollo, on 10/12/2007, -16/+58I've always preferred '***** only runs downhill'.
- lieutenantmudd, on 10/12/2007, -0/+30Can anyone who actually knows explain why 99% biodiesel is used instead of 100%? What does that 1% real diesel gain you?
- wrenchone, on 10/12/2007, -3/+23Before people go too far screaming about Ford's quality, keep in mind that Ford doesn't even MAKE the engine in question, International does. You know, those guys that make all those semi and bus engines? They know something about making Diesel engines.
And since you brought up the Firestone tire recalls...
Again, Ford didn't make the tires, Firestone did.
Making and supplied by are two different things. - frazier428, on 10/12/2007, -21/+37Fix Or Repair Daily anyone?
- earlycj5, on 10/12/2007, -2/+18Dodge Cummings? You must not own one or you'd know it was a Cummins engine.
- gr0ss, on 10/12/2007, -8/+23I prefer none of those. To each his own, if you hate ford you hate ford, if you love them, so be it. It is just a damn vehicle when it comes down to it. When you take care of a vehicle, you need minimal repair, and you usually have minimal problems. If you get problems they should be covered by warranty most of the time.
- revolvingcur, on 10/12/2007, -0/+15Take the number of units in the field, (A), and multiply it by the probable rate of failure, (B), then multiply the result by the average out-of-court settlement, (C). A times B times C equals X... If X is less than the cost of a recall, we don't do one.
Happy? - Kohath, on 10/12/2007, -5/+19This is news? Guy puts weird fuel in his truck. Truck has problems. Ford reasonably concludes that the weird fuel caused the problem and and they don't want to pay for the repairs.
Anyone would initially conclude the same thing as Ford. Why would they expect a complete coincidence? It would be irrational and counter to their interests.
Upon learning that, against all the odds, it indeed was a complete coincidence, Ford pays for the repairs. Ford did everything right.
Criticism of Ford on this is unfair. I suspect the critics are simply anti-corporate bigots. - waterdrop, on 10/12/2007, -20/+31Found On Road Dead.
- Emachine, on 10/12/2007, -7/+17What an ugly ass truck.
- Kohath, on 10/12/2007, -1/+11They covered it up by announcing a recall. Very sneaky.
- Kohath, on 10/12/2007, -0/+10Again "a problem they know about"? It's a 2008 truck. It's a new problem. They know about it NOW. They can't have known about it for long, because it's a 2008 truck.
If one guy has a problem, is it "a problem they know about"? How about 2 guys? How many before it's a pattern? How do you know he wasn't one of the first guys to have the problem? It's a 2008. - maino82, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10I'm an electrical engineer who does sustainable design, including designing buildings to run on biodiesel backup generators and design of biodiesel fueling stations for vehicles. Believe me, I've done my research. When you have biodiesel distributors, chemists, generator manufacturers and vehicle manufacturers all independently telling you that biodiesel is more corrosive than regular diesel, you tend to believe them. Also, lubrication has nothing to do with corrosiveness (but haven't you wondered how biodiesel cleans out your engine so well? It dissolves all the gunk stuck in there!). I'm very happy that your vehicle can run well on B99, but a lot can't, and that's why manufacturers will only warranty their products for a certain level of biodiesel. The valves and seals for most generators and engines aren't made to handle the more corrosive nature of biodiesel and wear down much faster. Am I saying that it will fail immediately? Of course not, but it will likely fail sooner than running it on regular diesel.
This isn't to say I'm not a big supporter of biodiesel (would I be designing with it in mind if I didn't believe in it?), I just think that people should be aware that there are indeed differences in diesel and biodiesel and that there can be consequences for choosing the later. - ganjadude4391, on 10/12/2007, -5/+14he was a farmer, he probably made his own biodiesel and in general when you make your own you dont make it 100 percent just like you wouldnt make 200 proof alcohol
- yeediddy, on 10/12/2007, -2/+11Per the article, it appears that Ford maybe trying to cover up a potential mass recall due to injectors.
- Kohath, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9I did read the article. How is announcing a recall a cover-up?
How long did Ford know about this problem in a 2008 truck line? 2008. Sounds new to me. - tastypastry, on 10/12/2007, -7/+14Volkswagen TDI ftw. They even support the use of biodiesel in their vehicles
- squaredUP, on 10/12/2007, -6/+13@ hammydude
I would provide a plethora of information about how incredibly wrong you are.. but I just got off work so instead I will just call you a moron.
moron. - TheCash, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9All the first response vehicles here in Alaska are Fords, except the heavy fire trucks. All of the cop cars are too, except for a few caprice's that were purchased in 2003 and are mostly used as unmarked traffic or detective vehicles.
Even in Fairbanks, where the temps fluctuate from -70 to 102 between Winter and Summer, 90 percent of the emergency, first response, muni, and law enforcement vehicles have the blue oval on their grilles. Things don't get much more rugged or varied then they do here in the 49th state, so we actually get a chance to put 'Ford tough' to the test. Considering that's what the gov keeps buying, obviously it makes the grade.
Not bashing any other brand, as personally I'm an Audi man myself, I just thought the record should be leveled a little. Your mileage may vary. - ganjadude4391, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7Thank you chicken for doing the minimal work we are all to lazy to do lol I learned something new and im a strong supporter of BD ive even made some I didnt know the tax thing
- jeremy66158, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7I'm not sure about the % but some people use at least some petroleum based diesel with their bio diesel to stop it from congealing when it is cold.
- maino82, on 10/12/2007, -5/+11Biodiesel is much more corrosive than regular diesel. That's why most car manufacturers don't usually warrantee their vehicles if you use over B20 (20% biodiesel... or in this case I guess B5 - 5% Biodiesel), and it's why commercially available biodiesel in gas stations usually is somewhere between B5 and B20. This isn't a widely published fact, so I can't really blame the guy, but if you're going to use something like B99 instead of the recommended B20 or B5, you should probably dig into it a little on your own.
- Netrilix, on 10/12/2007, -19/+26Found On Road Dead
Fix Or Repair Daily
and one of my favorites:
***** On Race Day - djphatjive, on 10/12/2007, -5/+10Your ford lasted 200 miles??????? Hell I think you got your moneys worth!
- strangewill, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7"I could only imagine what moron skips over an M3, S4, 335i, or even a used Aston or Porsche over a truck..."
Correct me if I'm wrong, but none of those cars are diesel, therefore no bio-fuel alternatives that this guy is use to using. - nericus, on 10/12/2007, -3/+8Digg! I'm ashamed at you! No one has quoted the Fight Club recall formula yet?
- tastypastry, on 10/12/2007, -6/+11Dodge Cummings engine is the best for biodiesel
- lieutenantmudd, on 10/12/2007, -4/+9American trucks are historically the most reliable. Sure, their other cars may be crap, but Ford and Chevy do make fantastic and reliable trucks.
- EmileVictor, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7I love the irony of using biodiesel in a truck like that. If he wants to be green why buy a truck like that?
- abbott75, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5"I had a GMC Sierra 15 growing up. My grandfather gave it to me when it already had 200K miles on the engine. I put another 300K on it before the engine finally gave up the ghost. How many Fords have you seen do that?"
My Falcon :) - dmcollin, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4FYI Ford doesn't make that engine, Navistar also know as International Truck and Engine does.
- rebopper, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Here you go...
http://www.bobbittville.com/FordPU-195_JimGordon-.jpg - Nadare, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Ford did nothing wrong, he voided his warranty, he states it very plainly.
Simply stating that your ran B100 fuel in similar trucks for X amount of time is no evidence that the fuel wasn't responsible, and even if it was you knowingly voided your warranty doing it, so why cry to Ford that your warranty-voiding actions broke your engine ? At the same time anything that is the fault of the manufacturer should be fixed at their expense regardless of your warranty status. Maybe what happened here is that your truck was the the the first or one the first units that Ford noticed there was a defect in, initially blaming you then realizing their fault and doing a recall, just bad timing. - asuraci, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5Dodge Cummings...
*giggle* - SCscoutguy, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5Ok lets get things straight. Ford does not make the powerstroke engine. International Truck and Engine Corp does. The 2008 Super duty has the brand new International 6.4 powerstroke diesel engine. Ford and International are in a big lawsuit now because the 6.0 powerstroke that was used before this new engine had to many warranty claims Ford was losing lots of money. The problem came from Ford using their own electronic fuel injection system on the International engines. These injections systems failed and caused the engines to burn pistons. Ford refused to use the stock injection system that International designed to be used with the engine that they designed. Instead Ford in all of their wisdom decided to use their own junk and thus caused them a nightmare in warranty claims. Well long story short Ford is now trying to stick International with half the bill for all of the warranty claims because the engines were built by them. International says no dice because they told them to use the injection system that they specifically designed for the 6.0 powerstroke and they didn't so International inst going to pay anything. Well these new 6.4 powerstroke engines guess who's injection pump systems Ford insisted on using on them? Yeap they opted to use their own and now they are paying the price. It is worth noting that International uses these same engines in their bigger S series truck's that most power companies use and school buses and have no problems at all with the injection pump system they designed from the get go to work with the engine that they designed. Ford has brought all of this upon themselves. International halted all deliveries of the powerstroke engines last month but they must of worked out some sort of deal because they are shipping the new 6.4 engines again.
- epu2, on 10/12/2007, -7/+11toyota hilux baby
- docholiday, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4The owner used the wrong fuel. If it's stated in the owners manual or the owners information guide and Ford finds that the cause of your engine failure was fuel related your engine repair would not be covered under the manufacturers warranty. The OEM warranty protects the consumer from defect in material or workmanship, not a customer who decides to use a fuel which is outside of the parameters the engine was designed to work within.
The owner also mentions that the 6.4L engine is the cleanest in the industry and he is right, however that is chiefly due to the EGR system and particulate filter in the exhaust. - ganjadude4391, on 10/12/2007, -5/+9they are the best period
- rgiskard01, on 10/12/2007, -3/+6Biodiesel over B20 is NOT corrosive!!
Biodiesel is in fact an excellent lubricant, and provides numerous benefits for the engine.
I own a VW TDI, and have run everything from B99 to B2 in mine (a PD)...as have numerous other VW owners (search the TDIclub site linked below).
Please, do your research before you post false information.
Some links to learn more about biodiesel:
http://forums.tdiclub.com/showthread.php?t=82466
http://biodiesel.org/ - tastypastry, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Any one of those trucks are great trucks for the most part. You just have to take extra care with them and they'll take care of you. My Dad's 98 1500 Dodge Ram is on 210k and still running great.
- pimpsallad, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4IT looks like ford did the right thing. They realized the problem and are now offering a recall.
- SCscoutguy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3I also like GM products but there is no way you can compare a duramax to a powerstroke. I am not saying the duramax is a bad engine because it isnt. But you wont see any duramax's powering huge school buses or dump trucks like the powerstrokes do. Isuzu did a good job in designing a diesel engine that will give you the feeling that you are driving a gasoline powered vehicle but the ITEC powerstroke is a real truck engine meant for some serious hauling.
- mal1964, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4you got to put in the truck not all over it
- durgeshss, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Okay, a good story about Ford is due here...
I had a ford taurus that I used for five years, it was a good car until I got tired of it and bought a new car. I know the guy I sold it to enjoys it as much as I do, because he told me so, he works at the same place I do.
I think almost all car companies have the same issue,their cars either turn out good or totally bad. My Nissan was bad. Ford was good. Toyota was good, Honda was bad. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3I'm glad that Ford fixed everything up. That would have been a costly situation if he had to pay for it himself. He only drove the car for 200 miles and hes hit with $17k repair bill. I'd be pissed.
- themajor, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3I think that if they were trying to cover something up they would have tossed him a new engine instead of trying to make him buy one. That would have caused him to ask much fewer (0?) questions. But then again, they could be complete morons; who am I to say.
- Makubex, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3FTA:
"I am meeting with the engineer that was flown out from Dearborn to examine the problem today"
I work in that building in Dearborn (I don't like Fords, I drive a Honda, Ford just pays my bills) 75% of the people there have no idea what they are talking about and will simply rephrase and repeat what you just said back to you. In short, they are a bunch of ***** morons and it drives me insane. -
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