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Hermann Goering, Hitler's Reich Marshall at the Nuremberg Trials After WWII

razorclaw.com — "Voice or no voice, the people can alway be brought to the bidding of the leaders. This is easy. All you have to do is tell them that they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for a lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in every country." The quote is more than a little haunting.

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  • lurntoospel, on 10/11/2007, -7/+83Sad to say, but some things never change.
    • bigjimslade, on 10/11/2007, -41/+7
      Except Islamic Terrorists declared war on the United States many years ago....they've also struck our country several times, including killing thousands of people on 9/11. Oh, wait a minute, I can feel those 9/11 conspiracy nuts sweaty little fingers ready to start typing away....

      • republicker, on 10/11/2007, -6/+14I guess all history is a "conspiracy" to you. I guess your the one w/ fat sweaty fingers who touched the hot stove, got burnt, and went back for more.
        • bigjimslade, on 10/11/2007, -24/+5Since I commented on 9/11 and invoked the word "nut" to describe those who think it was some big oil/George Bush/Carlisle Group/CIA/MilitaryIndustrialComplex scheme and you found offense in that, its safe to assume that you're one of the same special kind of assholes I was referring to.

          Enjoy the surface.
          • ayeroxor, on 10/11/2007, -0/+16There are those who, due to their political affiliations, believe all conspiracies. There are those who, due to their political affiliations, believe none of the conspiracies.

            Then there are the rational people who believe all is possible based on millennia of recorded history of the actions of governments.
          • sabach, on 10/11/2007, -0/+6So, you fell for it just like the Germans did...Reichstag fire
          • NonZionist, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3@ayeroxor:
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            There are those who, due to their political affiliations, believe all conspiracies. There are those who, due to their political affiliations, believe none of the conspiracies.

            Then there are the rational people who believe all is possible based on millennia of recorded history of the actions of governments.
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            Exactly!

            So often, the normal people are silenced by this endless "Punch and Judy" show. The two players in this performance accuse each other of being "Extreme", but they are actually just opposite sides of a single inane coin.

            No matter what you like, one or the other of these two Establishment players will attack you.

            * If you like Ron Paul, you'll get denounced by "Judy" (neo-libs)

            * If you like Dennis Kucinich or Mike Gravel, you'll get denounced by "Punch" (neo-cons)

            * If you say the official consiracy theory is full of holes, the "Nothing is a Conspiracy" people will attack you

            * If you say that you're not sure WHAT happened on 9/11 the "Everything is a Conspiracy" people will attack you.

            Sometimes, the same group plays BOTH sides! Neo-libs and neo-cons alike were spawned by the same Trotskyite group. Some members of this group became "Scoop Jackson Democrats" (named after Henry Jackson, aka, "Senator Boeing"); others infiltrated National Review and the Reagan administration.

            The only solution is to think for yourself and then loudly assert your own "THIRD option".
      • ajaxfontura, on 10/11/2007, -0/+23The point isn't that the U.S. was attacked. It's the fact that the administration has used the fear and shock surrounding the attack as a vehicle for expanding and abusing its power. Although I don't see reason to believe that the 9/11 attacks were actually coordinated by the U.S., it is clear that they were of immense political value to Bush/Cheney et al. Seeing how thoroughly they abused the public's trust in the last six years, it is only human to wonder if they may have been behind the attacks (or neglected to devote the proper energy to prevent them).
      • Matt2k, on 10/11/2007, -0/+4> Except Islamic Terrorists declared war on the United States many years ago

        And who did we go to war with? The nation of Islamic terrorists?
        What we have accomplished is hacking out a splinter with a goddamned chainsaw, and irritated half a world in the process.
        Bravo
    • zengonzo, on 10/11/2007, -1/+8So there's someone on their end doing the same thing, bigjim. Way to buy into the big game.

      'It works the same in every country.'
    • NewPatriot, on 10/11/2007, -1/+5even the likeness to cheny, countenance that is
    • Matt2k, on 10/11/2007, -0/+7War. War never changes
      • ggeiger, on 10/11/2007, -1/+0History Repeats itself just as Hitler invaded Russia in the winter a la Napoleon...always keep that in mind
        • sanman, on 10/11/2007, -4/+1Nazi = NationalZocialistArbeiterPartie = National SOCIALIST WORKERS Party

          Lefties never accept responsibility for the crimes of their own
    • darri, on 10/11/2007, -0/+4Yeah, because progressive thought and action has been repressed by the powers that be for a long, long time. Things can change, history has shown us that, but a necessary requirement for positive change is that people understand the root causes of the problems they are dealing with. One thing for example that everyone should understand is that the prevention of this public understanding of the causal forces in society is the what the public relations industry is all about, in all it's glory.
      • NonZionist, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3Censorship in the U.S.S.R. functioned by persecuting dissidents.

        Censorship in the U.S.I. functions by dumbing down the general public to the point that it doesn't matter what the dissidents say.


        * Awareness precedes action
        * Imagination precedes awareness
        * Attitude precedes imagination

        People act only when they know why it is necessary to act: they need information, awareness.

        But people accept and credit information only when it fits into their conception of the world. If they imagine the world as a comic book, with George Bush or Bill Clinton as Superman, they are not going to listen to information that indicates that Bush or Clinton is on the Hitler track.

        But people change their image of the world only when they have certain attitudes: openness, courage, affection for reality, concern, vitality. These attitudes are influenced by religion.

        The system blocks this chain at every link: It instills cynical attitudes, it strangles imagination, and it drowns out awareness. Remove these blocks and people will start to act -- and live! -- again!

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        There are none so hopelessly enslaved as those who falsely believe they are free.
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        -- Goethe
  • zaibatsu, on 10/11/2007, -8/+71I'm not comparing the Bush administration to the Third Reich. Never would, just this particular quote was a bit striking.
    • GlobalistShill, on 10/11/2007, -8/+68Why not compare the Bush administration to the Third Reich? The comparison is valid, is it not?

      Let's let our voices be heard.
      • Infowarmachine, on 10/11/2007, -1/+4lol i was just about to say that, looks like your getting more digs than the guy who posted the message your replying too

      • Myonosken, on 10/11/2007, -1/+4To be fair, they may be corrupt arseholes, but they haven't started incinerating millions and declaring (overtly) race wars....Yet.
      • Ndiggnation, on 10/11/2007, -3/+1This thread what Godwined the moment it came into existence. :)
    • NonZionist, on 10/11/2007, -9/+25THEY use fear to keep US blind. And they themselves are blinded by genocidal ideology.

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      Always there has been some terrible evil at home or some monstrous foreign power that was going to gobble us up if we did not blindly rally behind it.
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      -- Douglas MacArthur

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      Hitler's blindness, re the USSR:

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      Rundstedt put it bluntly to Allied interrogators after the war: "I realized," he said "soon after the attack was begun that everything that had been written about Russia was nonsense."
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      -- William L. Shirer, The Rise And Fall Of The Third Reich, p. 1119


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      "For all military purposes", Dietrich concluded smugly, "Soviet Russia is done with. The British dream of a two-front war is dead."
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      -- William L. Shirer, _The _Rise _And _Fall _Of _The _Third _Reich, p. 1118-1119

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      There was another German miscalculation about the Russians which Kleist mentioned to Liddell-Hart, and which was shared by most of the other peoples of the West that summer:

      "Hopes of victory", Kleist said, "were largely built on the prospect that the invasion would produce a political upheaval in Russia ... Too high hopes were built on the belief that Stalin would be overthrown by his own people if he suffered heavy defeats. The belief was fostered by the Fuhrer's political advisors."

      Indeed, Hitler had told Jodl: "We have only to kick in the door and the whole rotten structure will come crashing down."
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      -- William L. Shirer, _The _Rise _And _Fall _Of _The _Third _Reich, p. 1120

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      Bush's blindness, re Iraq:

      http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&cid=542&e=37&u=/ap/20030328/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/war_lt__gen__wallace_7
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      Outspoken Army General Upsets White House
      Fri Mar 28,11:24 AM ET
      By LAURIE KELLMAN, Associated Press Writer
      ....
      "The enemy we're fighting against is different from the one we'd war-gamed against," Wallace, commander of V Corps, told The New York Times and The Washington Post on Thursday.
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      http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/01/29/iraq/main596595.shtml
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      Kay: 'We Were Almost All Wrong'
      WASHINGTON / 28 Jan 2004
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      Later, [David Kay] told the Senate Armed Services Committee that "we were almost all wrong -- and I certainly include myself here," in believing that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction.
      ....
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      http://www.counterpunch.org/cockburn09172003.html
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      Matchlessly Wrong About Everything

      Behold, the Head of a Neo-Con!
      By ALEXANDER COCKBURN / September 17, 2003
      ....
      Now here we are on the downslope of 2003 and George Bush is learning, way too late for his own good, that the neo-cons have been matchlessly wrong about everything. One can burrow through the archives of historical folly in search of comparisons and still come up empty-handed.
      ....
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      Bush's blindness, re Iran:

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politics_of_Iran

      http://www.antiwar.com/bidwai/?articleid=8947 -- Iran: Stereotype versus reality

      http://www.mailonsunday.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=449880&in_page_id=1770&in_a_source= -- Iran: Amazing first-hand account

      http://www.dailystar.com.lb/article.asp?edition_id=1&article_id=83705&categ_id=17
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      Americans should not be fooled by Bush's reckless depiction of Iran threat
      By The Daily Star / Wed 11 Jul 2007
      ...
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      A world we cannot even imagine:

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      Nevertheless, no amount of reading, attendance at conferences, documentary viewing and word of mouth could have prepared me for the reality of the situation here. You just can't imagine it unless you see it ...
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      -- Rachel Corrie, February 7, 2003 e-mail to family and friends.
      • Sealab2021, on 10/11/2007, -0/+4Then, if your comparisons are correct, bush is on the way out and his "reich" is falling due to his misunderestimations.
    • NonZionist, on 10/11/2007, -6/+29Here are other parallels between 1939 and 2003. Germans, in 1939, were led to believe that prostrate Poland was somehow a "Threat" to the huge German war-machine.

      And Poland, like Iraq in 2003, was ruled by a "Ruthless Dictator". As the U.S.I. deposed Saddam, Germany deposed Pilsudski. From the Nazi perspective, Germany was doing Poland a big favor! They thought they would be greeted as "Liberators"!

      So the arguments the U.S.I. War System uses to stampede Americans into the abyss of war are the same arguments the German Nazis used to stampede Germans into that horrific abyss.

      It was sad and horrifying to see Americans swallowing these cynical lies and lusting for the blood of Iraqis who never threatened America and never even bore America ill-will.

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      Germany THREATENED by Poland!

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      Whereas all the rest of the world considers that the peace is about to be broken by Germany, that it is Germany that is threatening to attack Poland . . . here in Germany, in the world the local newspapers create, the very reverse is maintained . . . What the Nazi papers are proclaiming is this: that it is Poland which is disturbing the peace of Europe; Poland which is threatening Germany with armed invasion. . .[/b]
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      -- William L. Shirer, CBS correspondent, diary, August 10, 1939

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      German headlines from 1939:

      "WARSAW THREATENS BOMBARDMENT OF DANZIG" -- Der Fuehrer, August 10, 1939

      "POLISH SOLDIERS PUSH TO EDGE OF GERMAN BORDER!" -- Berliner Zeitung, August 26, 1939

      "WHOLE OF POLAND IN WAR FEVER! 1,500,000 MEN MOBILIZED! UNINTERRUPTED TROOP TRANSPORT TOWARD THE FRONTIER!" -- Voelkischer Beobachter, August 27, 1939

      Don't these headlines remind us of our own headlines today? Isn't the similarity sickening?

      The Nazis then went on t stage an attack by "Polish Terrorists" on a German radio station. At that point, Germany had "NO CHOICE" but to seize half of Poland and start World War II -- or so the German people believed.

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      You ask: But the German people can't possibly believe these lies? Then you talk to them. So many do.
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      -- William L. Shirer, "The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich"


      Similarly, tens of millions of Americans become True Believers in the satanic gospel promulgated by the War System. As Germans, living in the biggest military power of that era, felt "Threatened" by Poland, Americans, living in the biggest military power in all of history, feel "Threatened" by third-world countries.

      It's a psychosis. Lacking empathy, lacking the ability to TRUST other human beings, lacking the will to CO-EXIST with others, lacking conscience, lacking courage, lacking moral principles, fearing our own shadow, projecting our own dark side onto others, we take refuge in CONTROL, in death and destruction. CONTROLLING the world seems like the only option.

      .

      http://digg.com/political_opinion/Scooter_s_Fate_I_Say_Torture_Him#c7233281 -- America: TWO civilizations contend

      http://digg.com/world_news/Holocaust_Survivor_Leaving_US?t=7545186#c7547155 -- two forms of Semitism


      .

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      I shall give a propagandistic cause for starting the war -- never mind whether it be plausible or not. The victor shall not be asked, later on, whether we told the truth or not. In starting and making a war, not the Right is what matters but Victory.
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      -- A. Hitler, August 22, 1939, Obersalzberg
      • NonZionist, on 10/11/2007, -2/+14Compare Hitler's last comment with this:

        http://www.antiwar.com/justin/?articleid=5150
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        The Wonderful Wizard of Washington
        If ever a Wiz there was -- our fantasy-based foreign policy
        Justin Raimondo / 11 Mar 2005
        ....
        Our penchant for asking too many inconvenient questions reveals our pathetically archaic insistence on belonging to "the reality-based community," as one top White House advisor famously put it to reporter Ron Suskind:

        "The aide said that guys like me were 'in what we call the reality-based community,' which he defined as people who 'believe that solutions emerge from your judicious study of discernible reality.' I nodded and murmured something about enlightenment principles and empiricism. He cut me off. 'That's not the way the world really works anymore,' he continued. 'We're an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you're studying that reality -- judiciously, as you will -- we'll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that's how things will sort out. We're history's actors ... and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do.'"
        ....
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    • Mosatii, on 10/11/2007, -20/+3The fact that GlobalistShill's comment was dug up so much makes me really sad. Is digg really that full of sensationalists?
      • borninda818, on 10/11/2007, -1/+9Sensationalists? give me a break. The reason bad governments like the one we are under are not swiftly dismembered is because anyone who speaks against them is either a sensationalist or unpatriotic. Open your eyes.
    • Apocolypse, on 10/11/2007, -5/+9In a Democracy (and no matter how fragile ours has become, it is STILL a democracy), the blame lays with the people. We give them the power and we can take it away. Hitler's regime was a full frontal Fascism and the comparison, while biting, is not an accurate one. The power belongs to the people and we can unseat those in power, with the right grass roots movements and support of media. It takes personal accountability and a strong desire to change (think back to Vietnam). Too bad, we seem more concerned with Paris Hilton's shenanigans and Brangelina's babies than the fate of our society and our children.
      • n00854180t, on 10/11/2007, -1/+6"Support of media". Since when have we had that?
      • amenofis, on 10/11/2007, -2/+10Hitler was democratically elected
      • cjackson, on 10/11/2007, -4/+5Our democracy is fragile? What makes you say that? Certainly this administration has tried to bend it to their will as much as they could over the last 8 years, and certainly they've had some success, but I think we're now seeing examples of how un-fragile it is. Look at the Democrats getting control of Congress. Look at Republicans starting to distance themselves from the president. There are other examples, too, but I think it's fascinating to watch this shift taking place and really see some of the mechanics of our system spring into action.
        • gamlidek, on 10/11/2007, -1/+3"... spring into action" over the course of months (years probably). And, even so, it's still too late to stop the current machine. Our democratic mechanics do not work so well after all the anti-democratic legislation that has been pushed through the same system. It's currently unbalanced and broken and it will take years to resolve all the problems created over the past 6 years.
        • PakoBedejo, on 10/11/2007, -1/+2Great point cjackson!

          I agree with you, in part, gamlidek. Regarding my lifetime, the mechanics of our democracy aren't exactly "spring"ing into action. But, if you consider the ramifications an empire has upon many generations in many regions, our democracy is working to unseat the aggression much more quickly than any other fledgling empire in the past (correct me if wrong plz). As long as humans remain imperfect, human systems will follow suit. I'm proud of our nation's founding fathers for the forsight they displayed when framing our nation's ruleset. They were making the ultimate dungeons & dragons game & I too find it interesting to watch how the checks & balances are beginning to play out.
    • Langford, on 10/11/2007, -1/+3I wonder if anything could be accomplished by sending this image to our government representatives. Are they going to be capable of seeing the similarities, or are they buried too far into their own perspectives to realize what is going on? Would Bush be able to see what those watching his actions see? Would they behave differently in the future?
      • Ndiggnation, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3No.
      • NonZionist, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1I believe horizontal communication is FAR more powerful than vertical. Send the image FIRST to your neighbors, your relatives, your co-workers, your local media. Create a dialogue, then an uproar.

        That will get the people at the top INTERESTED. THEN, when you send your image UP the chain, they will pay attention.
    • GlobalistShill, on 10/11/2007, -2/+7@Mosatii In my opinion, you've got to call a spade a spade and be discerning BEFORE stuff gets out of hand.

      If folks in Germany did that earlier on, the history of the last century would be quite different. But bear with me a moment, I have to share just a little more sensationalism. ;)

      "Either you are with us, or you are with the terrorists." (Applause.)
      - George W Bush, September 2001

      http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2001/09/20010920-8.html
    • Shandooga, on 10/11/2007, -2/+9Get the grapes! Call a spade a spade. Patriotism is irrelevant, misguided and misplaced in the face of such atrocities. Patriotism is generally a pretty dumb idea anyway.
  • lurntoospel, on 10/11/2007, -10/+89Perhaps a direct comparison can't be made but, nevertheless, the similarities are there.

    1: Desire for global empire
    2: Use of propaganda to frighten and control the public
    3: The scapegoating of a race of people in order to justify barbarous acts (Gitmo, Abu Graib, countless deaths of civilians, etc)
    4: A mulit-front war that strains the military
    5: Crippling spending that threatens to destroy the economy


    • borninda818, on 10/11/2007, -1/+24seems pretty direct to me. We are being controlled by a bunch of terrorists. I cry.
    • skjede, on 10/11/2007, -3/+146: Leader's usage of amphetamines
    • orlyfactor, on 10/11/2007, -2/+33The only difference is that Hitler was pretty much a genius when it came to public speaking and his propaganda machine. Bush is just a moron, but has smart people behind him pulling the strings...
      • Pimptastic, on 10/11/2007, -0/+13Hitler's speeches are unbelievable to watch. Just watching his body language and tone of voice it is no wonder people followed him. He made himself look bigger than life.

        Bush on the other hand uses the total opposite approach, He dumbs down his speeches and talks more as if he were talking to a child. He tries to lead people by suggestion rather than an awe inspiring presence.
      • frostieDude, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2Actually I think Bush is actually a robot controlled by a committee of evil geniuses and it was easier to make the robot appear stupid for technical reasons.
      • NonZionist, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1Imagine how much worse off we would be, if Bush were an orator like Hitler.

        Be thankful for small favors! Thank GOD Bush is a moron!
        • 0xbadfood, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1The sad thing is, he probably isn't. Think about it. People are more willing to accept catastrophe when they think it's caused by ignorance rather than malice.
    • geekee, on 10/11/2007, -13/+5Your talking points describe Iran better than the US.
      • ScottoGato, on 10/11/2007, -1/+4geekee = gets news from Rupert Murdoch
    • CosmicJustice, on 10/11/2007, -14/+81: Desire for global empire: (Not making much progress there.) 2: Use of propaganda to frighten and control the public. (Really? International travel and immigration are at all time high) 3: The scapegoating of a race of people in order to justify barbarous acts. (GW takes every opportunity to describe Islam as a peaceful religion) 4: A mulit-front war that strains the military (WWII was a multi-front war. Iraq and Afganistan are in the same region seperated only by Iran) 5: Crippling spending that threatens to destroy the economy (Stock maket setting records. Consumer confidence setting records. wages up from last year)
      • tryangles, on 10/11/2007, -2/+4O'reilly esque you are indeed. Why aren't you ashamed of yourself?
    • BufordT, on 10/11/2007, -10/+3You forgot #6. Slaughtering millions of innocent Jews. Oh wait, that would totally ruin your comparison.
      • ScottoGato, on 10/11/2007, -3/+1I believe the Iraqi death toll might amount to millions soon enough.
      • ggeiger, on 10/11/2007, -2/+0true but you could just insert killing hundreds of thousands of innocent Americans and Iraqis..if the glove fits..
    • haggie, on 10/11/2007, -0/+17. Same helmets

      http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b128/IronMount/SnowandBartlettdresstheBlitzkrieg.png
  • chopenik, on 10/11/2007, -8/+36Just like Hilter, Goering and the rest of the WWII possie, Bush will run himself into the ground. Its a shame that he will take a lot of people with him........
    • Indyanna, on 10/11/2007, -9/+4So, how many people do you think Bush "will take with him?" 50 to 70 million? That's the guesstimate as to how many people Hitler, Goerring, and the rest of the WWII possie took with them. To even begin to compare any American president's administration to Hitler's regime is ludicrous.
      • Langford, on 10/11/2007, -2/+7Comparisons to history are far more reliable ways to predict the outcome of events than just guessing and being hopeful things will go well.
        "Those who cannot learn from history are doomed to repeat it." - George Santayana
    • apothekari, on 10/11/2007, -1/+1So Uhhhhh.....
      When is he going down exactly?
      HE hasn't fell yet as of this late date.

  • kkeith02, on 10/11/2007, -4/+23Just great! Now everyone knows how I'm going to take over the world
  • sbgskl, on 10/11/2007, -21/+5Now digg's reposting 4 year old chain emails?
    • Apocolypse, on 10/11/2007, -2/+10That's because it's relevant to our current situation, Asshat.
  • PH4GE, on 10/11/2007, -24/+7sounds like any statement made by Pelosi or Reid.
  • TheNapalm, on 10/11/2007, -23/+3I say MoonBat
    • nblsavage, on 10/11/2007, -2/+8You're a broken record Napalm.
    • orlyfactor, on 10/11/2007, -1/+13I say shut the ***** up, Napalm
      • TheNapalm, on 10/11/2007, -10/+0ohh please dont hurt me internet 1337 |-|4>
    • plhearn, on 10/11/2007, -1/+3I say dumbass
    • Bamborzled, on 10/11/2007, -0/+4WTF Is a moonbat anyway? Is it some kind of special baseball bat that you can hit the moon with?
  • naij0k, on 10/11/2007, -2/+16This may be old, but it's creepy nonetheless. I first read it in the old magazine 2600 back when the war was just starting. The more people who read this, the better. Those who don't learn their history are destined to repeat it.
    • Indyanna, on 10/11/2007, -1/+3naij0k - you are correct. Those who don't learn their history ARE destined to repeat it. Have you read the history of Hermann Goerring? Better check it out.
      • naij0k, on 10/11/2007, -0/+0Can't say I'm a personal acquaintance, but I know a few things about his life and times. What's your angle?
    • D3koy, on 10/11/2007, -1/+1Then why bother learning about it, history repeats for everyone not just the uninformed...
      • 0xbadfood, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2History repeats because of the uninformed. If we just kill the uninformed, it will stop repeating. Duh.
    • shiftkgb, on 10/11/2007, -0/+0Doesn't matter, it repeats if its ignored too.
  • neoblaque, on 10/11/2007, -9/+11They have already let out the contracts for the detention camps to Haliburton, how many more comparisons are needed? After reading Johann Hari's article in "the Independent" on the good ship lollipop "National Review" cruise, I'm not sure if there are any differences between our current government and the Third Reich.
    • Indyanna, on 10/11/2007, -3/+5neoblague - "I'm not sure if there are any differences between our current government and the Third Reich." Why don't you read about the Third Reich, and then make up your mind. I think you will come to the conclusions that there are, in fact, differences.
      • neoblaque, on 10/11/2007, -3/+4Just a few samples:
        Nazi's had their Ayrian Cult, Neocons have their Creationism
        Germany didn't get it done in WW1 so to soothe their wounded pride, they started WW2, Bush and his pop have two Iraq wars for the same reason.
        Nazis invaded outclassed neighbors for trumped up reasons, Bush attacks Iraq for trumped up reasons.
        Nazis suspended civil rights, Bush suspends civil rights.
        Nazis tried to exterminate the Jews, Bush is trying to exterminate Iraq and Iran.
        Nazis built concentration camps, Bush is building "Detention Centers"
        Hitler used illegal tactics to win his first election, Bush stole his first election.
        Hitler bombed London as a means to intimidate the British, Bush had "Shock and Awe"

        At least the German's know how to have a good time at Oktoberfest, Bush has all the joy of a thrown brick.
        • hfactor, on 10/11/2007, -3/+2I´m as much of a Bush-hater as the next best guy, but please.

          > Nazis tried to exterminate the Jews, Bush is trying to exterminate Iraq and Iran.
          No he´s not. That´s just stupid. He doesn´t say "They are the scum of the earth, let´s go there and kill everybody."

          > Nazis built concentration camps, Bush is building "Detention Centers"
          Where they kill millions of people by gassing them?

          Really, the way the neocons are destroying America´s democracy and lying to the public is terrible enough without actually equating it to the genocidal nightmare of the Third Reich. You are insulting the memory of millions of victims.
          • neoblaque, on 10/11/2007, -1/+2> Nazis tried to exterminate the Jews, Bush is trying to exterminate Iraq and Iran.
            No he´s not. That´s just stupid. He doesn´t say "They are the scum of the earth, let´s go there and kill everybody."
            But his biggest backers are:
            http://news.independent.co.uk/world/americas/article2766040.ece

            > Nazis built concentration camps, Bush is building "Detention Centers"
            Where they kill millions of people by gassing them?

            Not yet................................

            Really, the way the neocons are destroying America´s democracy and lying to the public is terrible enough without actually equating it to the genocidal nightmare of the Third Reich. You are insulting the memory of millions of victims.

            I'm not insulting anyone, I'm just pointing out on the map where we seem to be heading.

            You seem a little touchy, you might need a break from Digg.
        • NonZionist, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1http://news.independent.co.uk/world/americas/article2766040.ece
          +(
          Ship of fools: Johann Hari sets sail with America's swashbuckling neocons
          14 July 2007 04:01

          * The Iraq war has been an amazing success,
          * global warming is just a myth -- and as for
          * Guantanamo Bay, it's practically a holiday camp...

          The annual cruise organised by the 'National Review', mouthpiece of right-wing America, is a parallel universe populated by straight-talking, gun-toting, God-fearing Republicans.

          By Johann Hari / 13 July 2007
          ....
          )+

          What a bunch of lunatics and dead-enders!

          These guys are every bit as nuts as the guys in the Hitler clique.

          .

          http://www.msnbc.com/news/781783.asp
          +(
          Say it ain't so
          America's image problem is about facts, not public relations
          By Michael Moran / MSNBC / NEW YORK, Sept. 9
          ....
          THE UNITED States is uniquely delusional right now. To put it less finely: We believe our own propaganda.

          * An attack on Saddam's Iraq is an anti-terrorist measure because we say it is.
          * Our war against drugs in Colombia is really part of the war on terrorism because we say it is.
          * Ariel Sharon and Gen. Pervez Musharraf are "men of peace" because we say they are.
          * The Iranians are "evil" but the Saudis are "good" because we say they are.
          * The United Nations' opinion of anything we do (or the opinion of the U.S Congress, for that matter) is irrelevant because we say it is.

          The problems of the world are simple: they are black and white, good and evil, with us or against us, dead or alive. (Coming soon: Osama bin Laden is dead, because we say he is!)
          ....
          )+


          The biggest military power in history, bristling with nuclear weaons, has fallen into the hands of people who are COMPLETELY out of touch with reality. The inmates now run the asylum.

  • Apocolypse, on 10/11/2007, -3/+14In a Democracy (and no matter how fragile ours has become, it is STILL a democracy), the blame lays with the people. We give them the power and we can take it away. Hitler's regime was a full frontal Fascism and the comparison, while biting, is not an accurate one. The power belongs to the people and we can unseat those in power, with the right grass roots movements and support of media. It takes personal accountability and a strong desire to change (think back to Vietnam). Too bad, we seem more concerned with Paris Hilton's shenanigans and Brangelina's babies than the fate of our society and our children.

    /rant
    • corranhorn85, on 10/11/2007, -1/+2Republic.
      • KarmasAgent, on 10/11/2007, -1/+3Quick note - The U.S. is not a Democracy, and never has been.

        The U.S. is a Republic.

        Not as fine a distinction as those unfamiliar with theories of governance tend to claim - if we had a democracy the idiots who elected Bush would have even more power, but with a republic, we ensure that the voices of the governed are only ever suffered for 8 hours a day every 4 years. I can't decide which concept makes my brain hurt less.
    • ScottoGato, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1None of the big companies who are making the outrageous profits out there want change. Therefore, they will not advertise on media stations that support change. So, trusting the mainstream media is just out of the question...especially when it comes to making a movement for change.
    • frostieDude, on 10/11/2007, -1/+2Germany was a democracy too and they elected Hitler.
    • Asure, on 10/11/2007, -0/+0Not a democracy.
      Its kind of an authoritarian Republic with the Executive branch now ignoring the 'checks and balances' and Congress dominated by big money and power brokers. The average tenure of a Congressman is thirty years! That is not a trait of a Democracy.
  • Revenuer, on 10/11/2007, -5/+0I had no idea there were trials after the WII came out
  • vermax, on 10/11/2007, -5/+6this is just the tip of the iceberg
    it goes much much deeper, and it's already very, very far along

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,,2064157,00.html

    oh, would that make me a moonbat? 23 skiddoo grampa, oh you kid
  • Indyanna, on 10/11/2007, -11/+12According to thinkexist.com this is, in fact, a quotation from Hermann Goerring. So are these:

    “Education is dangerous - Every educated person is a future enemy”
    “Whenever I hear the word culture, I reach for my Browning!”
    “Would you rather have butter or guns? Preparedness makes us powerful. Butter merely makes us fat.”
    “Shoot first and ask questions later, and don't worry, no matter what happens, I will protect you.”
    “I herewith commission you to carry out all preparations with regard to . . . a total solution of the Jewish question in those territories of Europe which are under German influence.”

    My suggestion to all of you who dugg this article - it might be wise to consider the source before y'all start quoting Nazis to support your ideology. Just a thought.
    • nblsavage, on 10/11/2007, -4/+13Congrats on missing the point.
    • republicker, on 10/11/2007, -2/+9"According to thinkexist.com this is, in fact, a quotation from Hermann Goerring."

      thats the point, dude. obviously they shouldnt consider you a future enemy.
    • n00854180t, on 10/11/2007, -3/+6Umm, what? The whole point is that these are the same tactics that are used by the Bush administration in their illegal dealings. Your further quotes merely confirm the similarity.
    • InferiorWang, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2Digg needs to start having critical thinking questions about TFA before you can post. Hell, make it a captcha.
  • beerbarron, on 10/11/2007, -3/+2Everyone lies, not just the leaders, media will bend things to. However that video was pretty conclusive, there may not of been weapons of mass destruction, but what sadam did to his people was criminal. We can all speculate and say what happened, but none of us will really know, one thing that can be said for certain Bush is either an idiot or has massive balls. To the topic at hand, that was a good read. Thanks for posting
    • strafefire, on 10/11/2007, -1/+3People tend to forget that we helped Saddam do many atrocities to the Iranian people [We funded AND armed him during the Iraq-Iranian War], as well as his own...
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran-Iraq_War

      While at the same time, arming IRAN:
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_contra

      Effectively selling our souls to both sides.
      And people wonder why they hate us in these middle eastern countries...
      • beerbarron, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1Agreed, but one thing we do tend to forget is, they are very tribal and fanatical about religion. I still believe they would attack, even if we didn't have any presence there, just because of the age old relationship we have had there
  • Hetman, on 10/11/2007, -12/+6Am I the only 1 in america that is not frightend of anything exept spiders. Seriously everyone always talks about how the bush administration is scaring people. When I go outside I dont see people looking scared and see people drinking laughing having a good time. You guys spread just as much propoganda as the bush administration.
    • D3koy, on 10/11/2007, -2/+2I'm not unafraid of nothing except anti-spiders
    • engelsma, on 10/11/2007, -4/+3Thank you hetman! Yeah, where are all of these "scared" people -- if we're living in a police state (or nearly so) why are the vast majority of people happy and enjoying life.

      Maybe you lefties should get off the computer and get out more?
      • strafefire, on 10/11/2007, -2/+2The people of Germany were happy too...until the Allies finally reached them...
        • NonZionist, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1The epic film "Winds of War" makes a similar point. The protagonists travel from Poland to Berlin, and in Berlin, they are shocked by the apparent normalcy and complacency. The Berliners, for all their sophistication, do not seem to understand or realize that their troops are bombing and slaughtering people in their neighboring country!
    • Pimptastic, on 10/11/2007, -2/+2wtf, spiders? where?
    • n00854180t, on 10/11/2007, -1/+3Believe it or not, there are people that are more afraid of TERRASTS than heart disease or cancer. As insane as that is.
    • Hetman, on 10/11/2007, -3/+3LOL heart disease is the number 1 killer in america. Seriously you have like as much chance as getting hit by lightning twice as you do getting killed by a terrorist.
    • Kindjal, on 10/11/2007, -1/+2Hetman, it's not about seeing people run around in the streets screaming in panic. In fact, it is better when they are mindless tv zombies.
      It is done to pass laws that would never pass in 'peacefull times'. To take over companies, distribute large sums of cash to investors and supporters and to gain access to resources in vast amounts.
      I think this has worked quite well in the Third Reich, when International and US Banks funded both sides. The Nazis and the Allied. The Allied forces where instructed to not Bomb specific factories of supporters like the Krupp Steel and the Rothshild Family businesses.
    • Hetman, on 10/11/2007, -1/+1First off that is crazy. I understand why lower middle class people are scared. They are very close to being poor and globilization is not helping them. You cannot stop globilization however. Secondly I work for the government and most my friends do. Be it highway construction or low income housing like me. Trust me with out the government helping you it would be far worst. And i am against the patriot act and I do think it should never have been past and it should be thrown out as of right now. Unfortunatly it doesnt change the fact that Bush is nowhere near as bad as any nazi.
      • 0xbadfood, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1You may not be able to "stop" globalization, but we can certainly change what it means. Right now globalization is NAFTA and the WTO, unelected organizations that are even more corrupt than congress and make their decisions entirely based on what's good for multinational corporations. Perhaps a world government is eventually inevitable. However, imagine one based on the ideas of the US constitution, where representatives are elected by the people and the purpose of the world government is *only* to ensure that national governments don't violate the basic human rights of their citizens as enumerated in the bill of rights, not to enforce laws of any kind *against* citizens on behalf of rich corporations or anyone else. That is *not* where we're headed right now, but if there is to be a world government, that is the sort we need. It's undeniable. Would you rather have the laws that govern your life decided by unelected NAFTA courts and the WTO and their successors, or would you rather have a vote? And are you willing to do what is necessary to make sure you have one?
    • FickyFicky, on 10/11/2007, -1/+2To not be at least a little scared of what's going on in our government shows either naivete (I'm guessing that would be you, hetman...no offense intended) or a willful lack of foresight. Sure, people are still enjoying life now, but we can't sustain this path very long without having an serious impact on our collective standard of living. There may or may not come individual events that bring about dramatic negative changes, but the slow crumbling of freedoms that we're experiencing now will eventually get the job done.
    • Hetman, on 10/11/2007, -1/+1Did you not read my comment. I dont disagree with you that the patriot act should be abolished. I just have faith that the next administration will do it. Im against torture and the death penalty. I am agianst illegal wire tapping american citizens. I see the problem i am just not naive enough to pull the same ***** the administrations does and propogate out right lies like bush = nazi. We have not even came close to this yet.
  • D3koy, on 10/11/2007, -4/+2Godwin's Law...


    (And yes I hate myself for saying it but it must be said...)
    • ragnar0kk, on 10/11/2007, -0/+6godwins law does not apply when the compairson is valid.

      It is precisely because such a comparison or reference may sometimes be appropriate, Godwin has argued,[3] that overuse of Nazi and Hitler comparisons should be avoided, because it robs the valid comparisons of their impact.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_Law
      • knomevol, on 10/11/2007, -1/+3godwin's law was invented because the neocons couldn't spin their way out of it otherwise.
  • Kilrog, on 10/11/2007, -10/+5LoLZ Amaricenz r lik Naziz
  • geekee, on 10/11/2007, -4/+6Interesting, Iran is using these same tactics today. They even use the same scapegoat.
  • Clade, on 10/11/2007, -5/+8Of course there is a subtle, but critical difference between "tell them that they are being attacked" and actually being attacked for all the world to see. (Tin foil hatters can step away from the keyboard please). We are being attacked, in US, in the UK, and in many other locales.
  • denim4, on 10/11/2007, -4/+8I don't see Iran engaged in a war anywhere. Do you?
    • DarkDakota, on 10/11/2007, -0/+5Why are you getting dugg down for that? it's true. Does the truth hurt THAT much?
  • denim4, on 10/11/2007, -3/+0@Hetman, Sure, why would anyone be frightened, its not like we are waging war against Canada or Mexico. War is half the globe away and none of us are there or even remotely close. Ignorance is bliss as they say.
    • Hetman, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2 it is extremely unlikely you will die because of a terrorist, Seriously if you are afraid of terrorist you should be bat ***** crazy scared to get inside a car.
  • HubbertWins, on 10/11/2007, -1/+6Meh. Bush's replacement will be voted into office a little over a year from now. It took...a tad more to remove Hitler and his cronies from office. I understand the point of the article, but Hitler and Bush are not in the same ballpark. They aren't even on the same planet.
    • republicker, on 10/11/2007, -2/+2thats why when your president you get to suspend elections in time of national crisis.
    • 0xbadfood, on 10/11/2007, -0/+0The difference is that in this instance, der Furher is not the sole advocate of this authoritarian *****. Do you honestly think that Hillary or, God forbid, Giuliani would be in any hurry to dissolve the power that the Bush administration so painstakingly acquired for them?
  • Kindjal, on 10/11/2007, -4/+4This is much older than the Nazis. It is based on the strategy of "Divide and Conquer" (look it up on Wiki). In 1395 for example it was called "Ordo ab Chao" - Order out of Chaos. Take your one Dollar bill and you find it there. "Novus Ordo Seclorum" - New World Order.
  • denim4, on 10/11/2007, -4/+2@clade,
    Except we are waging a war in country that had nothing to do with the attack in US on 9/11. And that was a single incident, we are not under constant attack here in US. Otherwise Mr. Hetman would be much more frightened for his life.
  • limeaid, on 10/11/2007, -7/+2Hey look - another stupid chain email I can bury
    thanks for another V for Vendetta moment in my life
    please post more on big brother and Ron Paul
    TIA
  • denim4, on 10/11/2007, -4/+4What is amazing Kindjal, is that such old tactic, that worked on village people that barley knew how to read or wright, still works on people in 21st century.
    • Kindjal, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1It will always work. This strategy is not about Panic or real threats. It's about fabricating a web of lies to justify any means to gain more power and resources and to spread the billions of dollars amongst those who are in the inner circle. I am not saying this is a conspiracy, it's not at all, because it is right there out in the open. A conspiracy would be hidden, this is right in your face.

      It is called Government (and i mean any industrialized countries Government)
  • portwojc, on 10/11/2007, -1/+4A better page:

    http://www.snopes.com/quotes/goering.htm
  • finista, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2I noticed this picture is in the folder called Humor...

    Ha ha indeed...
  • gharding, on 10/11/2007, -1/+2Godwin'd from the start.
  • BoMEpsilon, on 10/11/2007, -2/+1Clearly, this is a sign the Bush administration is pure evil.
  • orichter, on 10/11/2007, -1/+2For anyone who reads (Sun Tzu or Clausewitz - and oh yes, our enemies read them) the following is true:

    1. a country that sends money, equipment, people to train, helps train, sends actual troops to support use of weapons in battle, or advisers is in a state of war with the country the people they train attack. (Read QUDS.)

    2. a country is at war if they train and send guerrilla troops to a foreign country to attack that country or other countries. (Read Hizbollah or Hamas.)

    So who is Iran at war with if they do both of these? They are at war with whomever they or their proxies attack. (Read Israelis in Israel, Lebanese in Lebanon, or American troops in Iraq.)

    The two authors above clearly show how countries use guerrillas to attack their enemies. So, by this definition Iran is At War with at least 3 countries and arguably many more.

    And by the way Goering was right along with Goebbels about how to control a population. This is the preferred method of all known dictators (Syrian, Iraqi Saddam, Iranian, North Korea, Venezuela, Cuba, Zimbabwe, I could go on.) The masters of this are of course the Saudis, Iranians, Palestinians, Iraqis, who have always preached that the US and the West (Europe) have been at war with them from at least 1946 Palestine, or 1979 Iran, or Saudi Arabia since they began financing the Wahhabi teachers in almost every Muslim Mosque in the world in the 1970's. Before that the masters of this kind of thinking were the Soviets and their allies - the last holdovers today being Castro and North Korea, and the new one of Venezuela.

    But why would they use this type of thinking? To take over their countries for personal profit and gain. Castro is worth personally $700Million dollars, I thought he said he was a Communist and all of his people - 18 million of them and he were equal - well since you must be educated he and his people are no where close to equal.)
    • Jovinian, on 10/11/2007, -0/+0Nice essay, but a bit one-sided, don't you think? Kind of ignores all the dirty Cold War games the West was playing.
  • wncommercial, on 10/11/2007, -2/+1There is an obvious fallacy in the argument implied by this post: "see, the Bush administration is a bunch of nazis!"

    Simply because an evil being espouses a view does not mean that all others who espouse the same view are also evil. The Nazis encouraged healthy dietary practices - lots of fruits and vegetables and grains, avoidance of alcohol in excess. Does that make today's vegetarians Nazis? The Nazis also championed certain German Romantic poets such as Rilke. When I was a grad student, my friends and I admired Rilke's poetry. Were we all Nazis?

    What has been described here is a political tactic common to almost all parties and movements from the beginning of recorded history.

    That said, Bush and co. probably are totally Nazis.
    • frostieDude, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1> Does that make today's vegetarians Nazis?
      Yes.
      When I was a grad student, my friends and I admired Rilke's poetry. Were we all Nazis?
      Yes.
      • wncommercial, on 10/11/2007, -0/+0OK then. Hitler was almost certainly a pud-puller. You are almost certainly a pud-puller. Does that make you a Nazi? Yes.
  • nicademus8, on 10/11/2007, -2/+1A lot of good it does that you found this quote four years late! We've already been dragged to war. Next time great leader is calling for a war, stop and think, and learn your history.
  • terrordome, on 10/11/2007, -1/+1These people, colonialists, slave traders/owners, Nazis, international bankers, neo-conservatives, religious extremists of all faiths (and also atheists like Stalin) are all the same people, and they have had at least 500 years to study human psychology and research means of mind control, their apparent conclusion is that fear is the most effective method.
  • MacBigot, on 10/11/2007, -1/+4While we're quoting WWII era leaders, let's not forget Neville Chamberlain who thought he could appease Hitler to achieve "...peace for our time."

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peace_for_our_time
  • PadeOne, on 10/11/2007, -1/+1wow!
  • jedikv, on 10/11/2007, -7/+5Yay digg never dissapoints - more godwin's law style anti-bush propaganda.

    Christ you guys need to get a clue.
  • apollomurga, on 10/11/2007, -2/+2"Naturally, the common people don't want war, but after all, it is the leaders of a country who determine the policy, and it is always a simple matter to drag people along whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. This is easy. All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in every country."

    Hermann Goering, Hitler's Reich-Marshall at the Nuremberg trials after WWII
  • jveezy, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1HEIL HINKEL!
  • n8f8, on 10/11/2007, -1/+2derrr, we were attacked? repeatedly
  • Babykitkat, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1Movie about the truth on all the Reich's
    http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4315834925200441495&hl=en

  • hmugabe, on 10/11/2007, -2/+1I'm tired of people citing "Godwin's Law" as if they were lawyers or scientists. It's neither a law nor an intelligent response, it's a tired phrase born from flamewars. The comparison is valid, both the U.S. and Nazi Germany engaged in wars, of "pre-emption" or "aggression," depending on whether you're a Dick (Cheney) sucker or kooky crazy moonbat. ***** you if you think Iraq was even slightly involved in 9/11, you're the ***** moonbat.
  • Maldoror93, on 10/11/2007, -3/+3Who cares if this link is 4 years old. Truth never goes out of fashion, and apparently neither do idiots who can't read the writing on the wall. Btw, the Bush family's history STARTS in Germany. Hmm, interesting.
  • Thefascist, on 10/11/2007, -2/+1hey everybody forget this war-bushlied-crap, did you see the greatest car crash in history it's in the videos section, crazy arabs not wearing seatbelts flying out of a crashing car's windows, wowy wa wow.
  • Error601, on 10/11/2007, -1/+1Or, what's more common these days, make up some environmental or health care crisis so people will vote their rights away. Either that or demonize rich people so everyone will give away their rights thinking they'll be handed a piece of the pie. The Soviets just about took over the planet with that one. Far more successful than the Nazis.

  • there, on 10/11/2007, -1/+2 It seems to many people have forgotten history and why its important to avoid wars. Humanity can't afford another all out war.
  • loganarcher, on 10/11/2007, -0/+0Oldest trick in the book....
  • RationalXubrnce, on 10/11/2007, -0/+4 Here's a better quote that's even older.


    “Beware the leader who bangs the drums of war in order to whip the citizenry into a patriotic fervor, for patriotism is indeed a double-edged sword. It both emboldens the blood, just as it narrows the mind. And when the drums of war have reached a fever pitch and the blood boils with hate and the mind has closed, the leader will have no need in seizing the rights of the citizenry. Rather, the citizenry, infused with fear and blinded by patriotism, will offer up all of their rights unto the leader and gladly so. How do I know? For this is what I have done. And I am Caesar.”

    — Julius Caesar


  • fsjonsey, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1You can smell the BDS in the air tonight... O LAWD
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