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- rehwaldt, on 10/12/2007, -140/+1190Are people so weak minded that they are afraid to be exposed to opposing points of view?
- oskite, on 10/12/2007, -81/+620It's not an 'opposing point of view' to them. It's provocative fiction. It's taken as an insult, and their brain shuts out the idea that it could contain any information worth seeing.
- soco, on 10/12/2007, -24/+334Title should read: "Christian intellectually outmaneuvered by coffee cup."
- Neiby, on 10/12/2007, -114/+366"Are people so weak minded that they are afraid to be exposed to opposing points of view?"
Yes, especially most American Christians. - hipnerd, on 10/12/2007, -19/+261I believe in God. This didn't offend me.
I refuse to let the nutbar fundies define what it means to be religious. - TheAkolyte, on 10/12/2007, -47/+259Now she knows how it feels to be something other than a christian in America.
- Reziarfg, on 10/12/2007, -38/+248@stonewaljacksn
No, I'm digging you down because you didn't offer me any information. You just said that God exists. Now if I were to say "Peanuts cure cancer" without offering any proof, how far would I get? - shadus, on 10/12/2007, -39/+246@stonewaljacksn,
I dugg you down, it had nothing to do with expressing a viewpoint contrary to mine. It was completely to do with a meaningless post, if you want to write why you think god exists or doesn't exist, or if you want to contribute something to the conversation, I'll gladly digg you up, but with a post like the one you just posted you're doing nothing but trolling... separating the wheat from the chaff is a large part of what the digg system is about too. - MikeMcG, on 10/12/2007, -12/+207Starbucks did it to spur discussion, and they most certainly spurred discussion.
- aaronrpowell, on 10/12/2007, -32/+221I'm not a huge fan of Starbucks coffee but I'll happily buy a few just to support a company with the guts to put something like that on a paper cup.
- Twoodge, on 10/12/2007, -48/+219As a devout Pastafarian I'd like to say one thing to those who dare question the Flying Spaghetti Monster. May his Noodly Appendages have their revenge and smite them! Ha harr, what are you going to do now, blasphemer scum?!
- bightchee, on 10/12/2007, -8/+159"It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it." - Aristotle
- ggnictee, on 10/12/2007, -54/+203I don't think it's weak mindedness (sure it's a word) People have a very real need for everyone else to believe what they believe. It's not unique to Christians.
As for the actual comment, do I think he's wrong? yes.
Should starbucks not print something just because I disagree with it? Of course not.
Should starbucks have seen this one coming? yes.
it's just some guys opinion. Not the first person to not believe in God. Christians should be able to respond to comments like this in a rational and reasonable way, without getting angry at someone for what they believe. But don’t be mad at someone for trying to convert you, if you don’t want to hear it just say no thank you. If you disagree with something Starbucks wrote, don’t read it or don’t buy their coffee.
Simple. - Hazardc, on 10/12/2007, -31/+154@stonewall
you're not getting dugg down because you say "god exists" you're getting dugg down for the crap you spewed just after that comment. - shadus, on 10/12/2007, -33/+153Religious zealotism is sickening no matter where it originates... islam, christian, jewish, etc... and although it seems like an oxymoron when applied to atheism and agnosticism I've even seen it there and it's no less pretty. That being said, I've seen it much less commonly in atheists and agnostics which is a good thing... we really don't need more zealots of any variety.
Although discerning someone's religion is a bit harder than the other types of prejudice it's still basically no different than prejudice due to race, sex, or sexual orientation. It's all equally sickening. - imikedaman, on 10/12/2007, -46/+164@stonewaljacksn
I dugg you down for being a flagrant ass hole and insulting the general digg community for something they didn't even do. - jonathantneal, on 10/12/2007, -19/+136stonewaljacksn, I'm digging you down because it's hypocritical to call us hypocrites. And I also believe in God. In fact, I'm a Christian. I think it's terribly sad that a woman could be so upset by someone else merely stating their point of view. And it's a great, thoughtful entry, here read it:
"Why in moments of crisis do we ask God for strength and help? As cognitive beings, why would we ask something that may well be a figment of our imaginations for guidance? Why not search inside ourselves for the power to overcome? After all, we are strong enough to cause most of the catastrophes we need to endure." - gldfshnpcklejar, on 10/12/2007, -90/+185Michelle Incanno is a *****.
- RCcola159, on 10/12/2007, -11/+96"I don't think there needs to be religious dialogue on it. I just want coffee."
Well apparently she didn't "just want coffee" because she's making a big deal out of this. - Reziarfg, on 10/12/2007, -7/+71@stonewaljacksn
What are you talking about? The man clearly just said that he was going to buy it to support them, and then you berate him for being a fool and unwittingly supporting them? He's doing it ON PURPOSE. - fjc8, on 10/12/2007, -16/+78What a bitch.
- tazx, on 10/12/2007, -32/+92As an atheist, I agree with this woman. If I'm buying something at Starbucks, I wouldn't want to be given some pro-Christian proselytizing material on the cup; it would make me not want to shop there again. Starbucks is in the business of selling coffees, not ideologies, and should stick to what they know.
- Mimorox, on 10/12/2007, -20/+75Yet if this was a cup with some religious saying printed on it, and someone was complaining about it forcing religious beliefs on them, everyone would agree with her.
Not to sound all negative and such, but it seems like people here only want atheist ideas spread around, and religious beliefs stifled. You can't have just one way, both types of people have the right to believe what they want.
Still, I don't see why anyone would be offended by anything merely offering a different point of view. =/ - foamweapons, on 10/12/2007, -9/+62She has faith, she doesn't need to know the truth about Splenda...
http://www.truthaboutsplenda.com/factvsfiction/index.html
Never question the middle-aged Christian woman's faith in artificial sweeteners and fad diets... she'll scratch your ***** eyes out. - givemereplay, on 10/12/2007, -6/+56People- Pisssed
Starbucks- In the news
Ad Marketing campaign- Success
Anyone who thinks that this has anything to do with free expression or railing against god is naive. - deadpixel621, on 10/12/2007, -12/+58Lady, nobody says you need to agree w/ the quote. Just drink yo' damn mocha and move on with your life (as another brainwashed bible thumper).
- revenge7, on 10/12/2007, -5/+49I CAN'T DRINK THIS! IT HAS A STATEMENT I BELIEVE IS OFFENSIVE ON IT!
- nikkesen, on 10/12/2007, -11/+55So she has a problem with a cup that is saying that we should in times of need look into ourselves to find that second wind; that burst of inner strength?!
- Jok3r, on 10/12/2007, -0/+43Well to be Devil's Advocate, In-n-Out in California has Biblical Passages on their products. I haven't heard anyone complain.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -18/+60I live in Columbus, and Springboro is one of the fundamentalist cities in the state. They always have "God is watching" and "God listens" billboards, and other such nonsense. :-/
It's people like this that give Ohio a bad name, when in fact Columbus has the largest amount of donations going to GLBT foundations in the country. - ozydingo, on 10/12/2007, -19/+61@ people claiming it's not starbucks' place to say things like this:
It's noone's place, and starbucks isn't pushing a particular belief. From TFA (and about 1/4 of its entirety): "The quote was written by Bill Schell, a Starbucks customer from London, Ontario, Canada, and was included as part of an effort by the Seattle-based coffee giant to collect different viewpoints and spur discussion." Oh, nooo, I don't want influence of culture in any companies, I don't want a collection of opinions, I don't want thought-provoking quotes. I want my coffee in a label-branded cup that does nothing other than increase brand-name awareness and push consumerism into my mind. Give me my golden arches.
Starbucks was trying to do something interesting (yes, probably in hopes of increasing profits) that might actually make the cookie-cutter corporate chain world a little more interesting, and people complain? Get a life! - ScionAltera, on 10/12/2007, -6/+47@stonewaljacksn
Starbucks' liberal base? WTF mate? They're a coffee company, not a political organization. Ask an activist hippy how they feel about Starbucks and you'll get an earful of hate.
The first amendment gives them the right to print basically anything they want on their coffee cups. I've seen all sorts of stuff from pro-Christian to atheist to pro-homosexual... the cup I'm drinking from now is about how AIDS is bad. Basically, if Starbucks wants to print a pro-atheist message on their cups, they are well within their rights to do so. If some lady is offended by that and can convince a media outlet to publish her being mad about it, she's well within her rights to do that.
Wake me up when she wins a court case against Starbucks for offending her. Then our United States of America is truly dead. - Vicissidude, on 10/12/2007, -9/+48Know what I'm sick of? The bland world created by corporations who'd rather offer you plain-vanilla choices rather than potentially offend anyone who could take offense. The world where the only writings we see are corporate marketing inviting us to buy more or try a new product. The world run by corporate committee that wants everything to look the same and taste the same and be the same since we don't want to take any chances of hurting their profits. The world we're so used to, that when a company actually takes a step to expand our minds and start an honest conversation instead of asking for more money, we get all high and mighty saying HOW DARE THEY!
I'm glad Starbucks put this saying on the cup. I'm glad not because it was for or against religion, but because it started conversations that made people think. We live in a world where there isn't enough thinking going on, where stupidity reigns supreme, from the corporate boardrooms, to the family home, and to the White House. Getting people to actually THINK is a good thing. You can NEVER get too much of that. - guytoronto, on 10/12/2007, -6/+43"The quote was included as part of an effort to collect different viewpoints and spur discussion."
There's your problem. People of faith don't like different viewpoints (they're right, we're all wrong), and they hate discussion, as they have nothing to support their beliefs. - TheOneGreatX, on 10/12/2007, -5/+34wait, people read the sides of their Starbucks cups?
- chhuparustam, on 10/12/2007, -7/+35@rehwaldt: apparently all she did was offer an opposing viewpoint herself. She said she didn't like the message and refuses to spend her money at Starbucks to underscore that sentiment.
What's wrong with that? She isn't encouraging others to boycott Starbucks, or otherwise threatening them. Who knows, maybe she'll write to Starbucks and her comments will end up on the side of one of their cups... - Franey97, on 10/12/2007, -6/+34I actually laughed out loud at that one
Reply of the day! - nukethewhales, on 10/12/2007, -2/+30I never read my starbucks coffee cups. So obviously i want the coffee more than her.
- sbrickner, on 10/12/2007, -8/+36Why is it *not* Starbuck's place to "spur conversation"? They're a *coffee shop* - to them, that's something different than being a McDonald's, and it's one way they try to differentiate themselves from, say, Dunkin' Donuts. A coffee shop is traditionally seen as a place where people go to have discussions. That so many people don't care about that and just want a place to get a hot cuppa joe to go is irrelevant. Starbuck's wants to promote that more classical idea of a coffee shop.
So you don't see that as what a coffee shop does - that's just your own shortcoming. - JazzFlight, on 10/12/2007, -1/+27Hmm, interesting how that anti-Splenda site has this at the bottom:
"This website is part of an effort to educate consumers about the chemical artificial sweetener Splenda and is provided by The Sugar Association, which represents sugar beet and sugar cane farmers across America."
The website is made by the SUGAR CANE industry! I'm not saying that their "research" is false, but wouldn't you be a little suspicious of their claims? Seems a bit biased to me. - mr.hostility, on 10/12/2007, -3/+29>Woman says: 'I don't think there needs to be religious dialogue on it. I just want coffee'
Yet she's still able to make a huge ***** stink about it. Do people every grow up? - MouseCircus, on 10/12/2007, -7/+32@mimorox
No we wouldn't. Rather, I wouldn't. If it's not being shoved down my throat and/or being paid for by my tax dollars, I don't care. You don't see non-theists tearing down billboards with religious messages. I've seen various signs at convenience stores that say things such as "God bless our troops" or "God bless America," and those don't offend me either.
I don't know about you, but many of the non-theists I know became non-theists because they were tired of the over-zealousness of some members of their former religious communities. Now why would someone who is trying to escape that turn around and do the exact same thing?
I'm not surprised by this at all. It's a campaign aimed at sparking discussion and debate, so I would expect a few controversial comments. In fact, I like the campaign. If Starbucks and their coffee weren't so terrible, I'd actually consider purchasing a cup because of this. - EBFoxbat, on 10/12/2007, -17/+41Woman says: 'I don't think there needs to be religious dialogue on it. I just want coffee'
Joe says: "Then shut the ***** up and drink it. Don't read the cup that so dearly offends you. Just shut up and drink it. - Zap2, on 10/12/2007, -3/+27I bet if it said "God is great, and the alone reason your here is because of him" She'd be ok with it.
Its not the religion part, its the anti-religion(atleast anti her religion) thats bothers her - badtiki, on 10/12/2007, -10/+33Apparently this women never went to Bess Eaton (who got bought by Tim Hortons) - Their cups were plastered with Christian phrases.
- dohidied, on 10/12/2007, -2/+24I almost got offended by the bible passages on In N Out's cups, then I realized it didn't change the way the food tasted so I didn't care.
- sekaijin, on 10/12/2007, -19/+40unequivocally, yes.
- loveandrockets, on 10/12/2007, -2/+23I was reading "The Forge of God" -- a science fiction book--and my sister-in-law's family would not let me bring it in their house. I explained to them that the book was referring to stars. As in, stars could be considered the Forge of God.
But she said the book was blasphemy and wouldn't have it in her house. I had to read it in the car over the weekend.
So yes, fundamentalists can be petty. Very petty and well, ignorant. - rnwen2750, on 10/12/2007, -1/+21Starbucks is a private company. They can write (pretty much) whatever the heck they want on their cups and, if people don't like it, they can just stop getting their "fix" there. I happen to love the quotes because they are so diverse (there are several out there with quotes on religion (promoting it, etc.). You all are giving this way more attention than it merits. Don't like it? Don't shop there.
- aneil, on 10/12/2007, -4/+24Wait a minute. How many times have we seen religious stuff out there that we don't necessarily agree with. Do we get offended about it? No. Calm down lady, put a little cyanide in that coffee with your splenda and drink it down like a good girl.
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