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- prockcore, on 10/11/2007, -1/+158http://www.azcentral.com/12news/news/articles/missingmanfound062807-CR.html
They found him. He's currently at Flagstaff Medical. - radu79, on 10/11/2007, -3/+157"He was let off in the middle of a national forest, which is about 800,000 acres of beautiful pine trees," Lt. Mike Graham said."
Does it really matter that the forest is beautiful? It makes it more justifiable than abandoning him in an ugly forest? - brokenspatula, on 10/11/2007, -6/+138The funniest part is where it says 'SURVEY: Did Amtrak Do The Right Thing?'
- vroom101, on 10/11/2007, -7/+138First: I fervently hope they find him. Soon. Alive and well.
Next: Since when does Amtrak personnel stop the train at a railroad crossing and let someone off??
Almost-Finished: The lawyer(s) are going to sink their teeth into this one!
The-End: Hello?!?! Doesn't dialing 911 or whatever number Amtrak uses for emergencies work from the train? - yourmom, on 10/11/2007, -5/+7394% No.
5% Yes.
1% I don't know.
Who the ***** is the 6% Yes / I don't know ? - quez, on 10/11/2007, -3/+67I opened this hoping to maybe, just maybe, find that I could sort of sympathise with the Amtrak people. They've got a hard job, and putting up with obnoxious passengers is something they have to do every day. Alas, I couldn't. What kind of ***** idiot manages to mistake diabetic shock with a drunk guy who's terrorising a cabin? And even if he was drunk, unless he was about to kill someone, you can't just drop the guy off in the middle of a forrest. Absolutely ridiculous.
- gonzoblair, on 10/11/2007, -4/+63He's probably dead if he was in diabetic shock at the time they put him in the forest.
The one thing Amtrak's lawyers will probably seize onto as their defense is this section right here:
"When officers arrived at the crossing, police said, Sims ran into the woods, leaving his luggage and medication behind."
Making the cops the last ones to see him alive. - benanzo, on 10/11/2007, -2/+59no, the funniest part is: "He was let off in the middle of a national forest, which is about 800,000 acres of beautiful pine trees," Lt. Mike Graham said.
"...beautiful pine trees," "...beautiful..." --- does this ***** adjective seem appropriate when they're talking about a soon-to-be-brain dead man wandering aimlessly through the forest mumbling to himself, sweating...slowly dying. Horrid. The Amtrak crew that night should fry for this. - uday0210, on 10/11/2007, -0/+34The Amtrak employees.
- rainbowblack, on 10/11/2007, -4/+36Christ Almighty that is Inhumane! Even if he was drunk you just don't throw another human life in the middle of nowhere to die like that. I hope those responsible pay big time doe this screw up.
- twistupgirl, on 10/11/2007, -0/+30There is more to this story than is reported in this article. According to the St. Louis Post-Dispatch, an Amtrak operator waited with the man until police arrived and he darted into the woods as soon as police arrived. He wasn't just dropped off and intentionally left to fend for himself. http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/news/stories.nsf/stlouiscitycounty/story/FBC134C512EC83DE862573090014A699?OpenDocument
- m0tbaillie, on 10/11/2007, -4/+31The same special breed dumbass who voted for Bush (twice).
- zinp, on 10/11/2007, -4/+31This may inspire Airlines to dump suspicious drunkards mid flight, if they are kind, they make strip a parachute on them, if not, good luck into the middle of the ocean...
- aznboyee, on 10/11/2007, -4/+30Service like this.... no wonder why the government has to constantly bail them out.
- slayerab, on 10/11/2007, -1/+24I've seen Amtrak police around before (whatever their jobs consist of...), but why couldn't they let him (or any other unruly passenger) off at a goddamn station?
- fuzzmeister, on 10/11/2007, -0/+19That happens quite a lot. Cell phone companies will give over your call data to authorities with a court order, or if you are suspected to be in danger. They don't have access to actual recordings of your calls.
- Yamoth, on 10/11/2007, -1/+20Honestly the most messed up thing about this story is how ABC left out some critical part and totally vilify the Amtrak employee. If people want to be angry at something, be angry at ABC.
- satx, on 10/11/2007, -4/+23"They found him. He's currently at Flagstaff Medical."
Well, the ***** who dropped him off are still going to get it... bigtime.
IMHO, people should be in prison for this *****. - vroom101, on 10/11/2007, -0/+18Man Kicked Off Train Found Safe
http://www.myfoxstl.com/myfox/pages/News/Detail?contentId=3631896&version=2&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=3.2.1 - PeppermintPig, on 10/11/2007, -0/+18With the beautiful creatures of the forest, such as beautiful bears who will tear you beautiful limb from beautiful limb.
- kjcdude, on 10/11/2007, -1/+19Was i the only one to notice his last name is Sim and that they called his family "The Sims"
That's such a cool last name. - SillyDigger, on 10/11/2007, -6/+24Let them know how you feel http://www.amtrak.com/servlet/ContentServer?pagename=Amtrak/ContactUs
California Headquarters: (510) 238-4360
Main Headquarters: (202) 906-3000 FAX (202) 906-3306
Media Relations: (202) 906-3860 EMAIL mediarelations@amtrak.com
Information from:
http://finance.google.com/finance?cid=5956442
http://www.amtrak.com/servlet/ContentServer?pagename=Amtrak/am2Copy/News_Release_Page&c=am2Copy&cid=1093554010146
http://www.amtrak.com/servlet/ContentServer?pagename=Amtrak/am2Copy/Title_Image_Copy_Page&cid=1081794202618&c=am2Copy&ssid=173 - oMeSSiaHo, on 10/11/2007, -4/+21http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/news/stories.nsf/stlouiscitycounty/story/FBC134C512EC83DE862573090014A699?OpenDocument
This article says the conductor waited with him. You people really need to find out the whole story before you start calling people dumb. Getting angry without knowing all of the facts gets people in trouble. *cough* Iraq war *cough*
Oh the irony! =D - Juggernaut727, on 10/11/2007, -1/+16At the end of the article:
"Sims was transported to Flagstaff Medical Center..."
then:
"The Sims family says they're not mad at anyone, they just want to find their father. They plan on driving to the Phoenix area and continue their search. "
They don't know what room he is in?
Doesn't anyone proof read these things any more? - manuelhp42, on 10/11/2007, -8/+23This is outrageous! People: help spread the word about this...
Here's a discussion on this very topic we have in TuDiabtes.com:
http://tudiabetes.com/forum/topic/show?id=583967%3ATopic%3A9434 - jsmith39, on 10/11/2007, -1/+15No doubt, main difference is that in other countries the service works, is worth using and isn't a financial noose around your neck to use.
Amtrak takes way too much Federal money, provides horrible service on an obsolete system, and costs too much money to really use. I'm a 3 hour car drive from NYC, and it costs $90 for a round trip train ticket to NYC, which takes 4 hours to get to by train. That's just wrong.
With the currently available technology and the amount of money we taxpayers have been putting into the system it shouldn't take more than 8-9 hours to get from coast to coast. - jsmith39, on 10/11/2007, -2/+15Tragically the poor mans body was found face down in delightful stream where it emptied into a serene, almost picturesque lake body. Police officers on the scene remarked that if you've got to go, the view of the sun coming through the beautiful pine trees in this incredible canyon are one of the finest shows to bear final witness too.
- jsmith39, on 10/11/2007, -0/+13God, if only there had been 6% of them.
- EricTheGrey, on 10/11/2007, -0/+12Well, that's good to know. Being a Diabetic and having gone through shock like that, I can understand the issue behind it, but dropping ANYBODY off in a desolate area like that is tantamount to attempted murder. No matter if they were coherent or not, drunk, or perfectly sober, leaving someone in such an area could very well kill them.
I hope the authorities go after the company or employees who did this with criminal charges.
EtG - shortarabguy, on 10/11/2007, -0/+12I hate to say it, but you're probably right. Just looking at this from the standpoint of how it would have worked if he wasn't in shock, I can't imagine it being legal to drop anyone off 2 miles away from any town or civilization while they're drunk or otherwise incapable of making decisions.
I'm not sure if I'm reading an accurate description of what this sounded like, but was he suffering from Diabetic ketoacidosis as in Wikipedia? If so, he was already fairly far into the complication, leading one to ask where anyone else was when the initial symptoms were occurring( long, rapid breathing, etc...)
I can only wait to see what Amtrak does to get out of this, because as it stands now they seem to have neglected a man in an emergency and then subsequently dropped him off in the middle of nowhere as he reached the later stages of the emergency.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diabetes#Acute_complications
And on a more personal note, what Amtrak did here is vile and horrid. If this is common practice for them, they should be shut down until they can prove that they're not putting people's lives in danger on a regular basis. - rdoger6424, on 10/11/2007, -1/+12Very bad hospital design.
- darthmdh, on 10/11/2007, -1/+12"What kind of ***** idiot manages to mistake diabetic shock with a drunk guy"
At least 80% of the population would. Unless you've got basic first aid training or better. Until you're close enough to not smell the distinct odour of alcoholic beverages, the physical signs are usually the same, often made worse by the fact the poor person is probably panicking, knowing they will soon die if they can't communicate good enough that they are in trouble and need sugar NOW. - aaronaaaronson, on 10/11/2007, -2/+13so does he get a refund on the train ticket?
- oMeSSiaHo, on 10/11/2007, -6/+16The self righteous indignation on Digg worries me sometimes. First off its very easy to mistake diabetic shock as a person being violent, as stated most people cant tell the difference. Secondly they didnt just drop him off, the police were alerted to his location.
Would you rather they leave a violent person on the train and allow them to cause harm? Again they didnt know he was in shock and were probably looking out for the safety of the passengers.
Also the "I hope they get sued" people are the same ones who bitch about frivolous lawsuits in other threads. What the hell was Amtrac to do? Either way in your eyes they would be wrong.
If the story stated "Crazy violent man attacks people on train while Amtrac did nothing" you would all be whipped up into a fury as well.
Digg me down, thanks to the new comment system you probably wont be able to read this anyway! - Tobark, on 10/11/2007, -3/+13How the ***** did the police let a 65 year old man in diabetic shock just run away?
- Azriel7, on 10/11/2007, -0/+10They say he was drunk in this article, the top article says he was diabetic. Not sure who I believe, although I lean toward the family since he was dropped off pretty much in the middle of nowhere.
- darkstar949, on 10/11/2007, -0/+8I wouldn't call trains obsolete - just that the current passenger train system that exists in the US is woeful at best. Ideally the train should be at least as fast as a car, if not faster to make it a viable commuting option for some people, and should be as inexpensive as possible. If you look at the bullet trains in Japan you will note that they typically take people from very rural areas into the major cites to work - and the daily cost is typically less than the cost for most people that drive an hour into the city (once you factor in gas, insurance, car payments, ect).
- darkstar949, on 10/11/2007, -0/+8The train employees didn't know, so the gentleman should have been wearing some form of a medical alert bracelet; however, the train employees should have also detained or restrained him on the train unil the police arrived. Just kicking physically off the train is not a good idea.
- morsosky, on 10/11/2007, -5/+13first, since when have cops let a running man just run away. second, what the ***** where these guys thinking. There is something about this story that doesnt add up. And you can be certain it was because he was black. If a 26 year old white female was drunk on the bus shes probably getting a free ticket to ride again.
- EBFoxbat, on 10/11/2007, -3/+11First: I too hope the find him alive.
Second: Holy ***** Amtrack is going to pay him (or his family) a ridiculous amount of money
Third: His last name is Sims. - bobbknight, on 10/11/2007, -4/+12Huuummm, I see no one reads between the lines anymore.
65 year old man, thrown off a train for being drunk and disorderly.
Recently diagnosed with type 2 diabetes.
From the city Saint Louis.
Has the surname of Sims.
Runs from cops in the middle of no where.
I see a civil rights suit against Amtrack here, and he will win, as he should! - Cerialthriller, on 10/11/2007, -6/+14Ok, first of all, how are they to know the guy has diabetes? Second of all, if this guy is being a raving looney for whatever reason, is it really a good idea to let him loose in a crowded train station? There were cops there to recieve him, but the guy ran from police. I have a feeling this isnt entirely amtraks fault
- benanzo, on 10/11/2007, -3/+10How is that a defense? He's probably dead...diabetic shock doesn't last forever. Amtrak is at risk for gross negligence, possibly manslaughter, criminal abandonment...the list goes on. They're not getting out of this one.
- knupso, on 10/11/2007, -0/+7They found him alive http://digg.com/world_news/BREAKING_Deputies_Find_Diabetic_Man_Kicked_Off_Train_Alive
- Mistuke, on 10/11/2007, -1/+8On the other hand, Since when have cops allowed a running black man to get away...
- MrZeebo, on 10/11/2007, -0/+7It isn't really the government bailing Amtrak out, because Amtrack IS the government.
From Wikipiedia: (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amtrak)
"The National Railroad Passenger Corporation, doing business as Amtrak (AAR reporting marks AMTK and AMTZ), is a governmental agency created on May 1, 1971, as the United States' intercity passenger train system."
The non-governmental name cleverly disguises this fact, maybe for when things like this happen. - jsmith39, on 10/11/2007, -1/+8My fathers diabetic, and no he doesn't go around mentioning that to every corporate/government entity he has to deal with as a general rule. He also is usually very careful about monitoring his condition. Sadly bad ***** happens to get people and the most cautious of diabetics will go into shock from time to time.
- wendelgee2, on 10/11/2007, -3/+10All mass transit requires gov't funding...airlines, bus systems, subways. That's not just here, that's everywhere, Europe, Asia, you-name-it. The only mode of transportation that is free of the "apron strings" is automobiles, which, with few exceptions, are inefficient, polluting, slower than airlines or trains, etc. So...maybe we fund our rail system as well as we fund our airlines and make it a viable mid-range travel option, rather than this expensive and skeletal system we have now.
- bremstrong, on 10/11/2007, -0/+6In my experience on Amtrak in the west, if they drop a passenger of for drugs or smoking, they call the local police and hand them off. This often takes significant time and adds further delays to a train that is probably late to begin with.
I wonder if they gave the man to the police and he ran off. I wouldn't think there would just happen to be police presence at a remote crossing. - frodrick, on 10/11/2007, -0/+6Being a diabetic myself, I am certainly NOT taking Amtrak's side here, but sometimes a diabetic's metabolism can be screwed up to the point where they metabolizing large amounts of body fat. This releases ketones in the blood, urine and breath and has a distinctive odor. To the outsider, the affected individuals breath smells like chemicals which they take to be alcohol.
The upshot of all this is that it is not always easy to tell how the person is afflicted. Amtrack personnel should err on the side of caution and never put a passenger off the train unsupervised - particularly 5 miles out of town!
As for diabetics, one should examine their fingertips for puncture marks (blood testing) and check their person and their luggage for any diabetic paraphernalia (pills, insulin, syringes, prescriptions, medic alert jewelery, etc.). But while the presence of those items can be taken as evidence of diabetes, their absence IS NOT evidence that diabetes is not present. -
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