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Sony Thanks Nintendo

tehgamr.com — FTA - " …We’re very happy Nintendo broadened the market to where we have never gone. But Sony is going places where EA and Microsoft have never been. We’re very happy about [market expansion]. It keeps growth of the industry going up and up and up instead of just recycling gamers."

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  • internetcoward, on 10/10/2007, -28/+155Theyre not going places that neither EA or microsoft had gone, they are going places sega and atari had though.
    • Ajajadude, on 10/10/2007, -4/+31Damn, that's where I was hoping EA would go.

      Wait, so, if Sony goes the way of Atari and Sega, does that mean everyone will reminisce about how great it was to own a PSX?
      • panzergeist, on 10/10/2007, -2/+20Yep. In fact, if Sony goes the way of Atari and Sega, everyone will find it cool to say they owned a PS3 and that it was a great system that died before its time. Shade of Dreamcast. And Microsoft will have been involved in the death of two giants of the industry (HINT: MS was involved with Sega in the making of the Dreamcast before MS put the final nail in it's coffin by announcing the Xbox.)

        I find that both humorous and disturbing at the same time.
        • Nossie, on 10/10/2007, -2/+16I never owned a Dreamcast.... but from I can see I wish I had :( It really did die before its time

          HINT: Sony was involved with Nintendo in the making of the Nintendo CD player for the SNES before Sony put the final nail in its coffin by announcing the PlayStation.)

          :P
          • triplehelix, on 10/10/2007, -2/+20actually, nintendo shot themselves in the foot in that situation
          • staticneuron, on 10/10/2007, -1/+14Only cause they turned coat and decided to go to Philips after Sony did all the work. So I guess the PlayStation was sorta a F U to nintendo. And man, it was a very heavy handed slap to the face.
          • MarkOfTheDead, on 10/10/2007, -2/+2@staticneuron (comment section won't let me post deeper than this level)
            There was more to it than that. Nintendo didn't want Sony giving the go-ahead and licensing games for what nintendo considered it's own proprietary project without requiring their own Nintendo seal of approval and Sony wasn't happy about it and made a big stink to Nintendo and Nintendo said "oh yeah? seeya. we're going to go hang with Philips now." paraphrased, of course, but all in all one of the biggest contributing factors.
          • MarkOfTheDead, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3I guess the full story doesn't sell on digg when people don't want to do their research. So here, I did it for you all.

            In 1989, the SNES-CD was to be announced at the June Consumer Electronics Show (CES). However, when Hiroshi Yamauchi read the original 1988 contract between Sony and Nintendo, he realized that the earlier agreement essentially handed Sony complete control over any and all titles written on the SNES CD-ROM format. Yamauchi was furious; deeming the contract totally unacceptable, he secretly canceled all plans for the joint Nintendo-Sony SNES CD attachment. Indeed, instead of announcing their partnership, at 9 a.m. the day of the CES, Nintendo chairman Howard Lincoln stepped onto the stage and revealed that they were now allied with Philips, and were planning on abandoning all the previous work Nintendo and Sony had accomplished. Lincoln and Minoru Arakawa had, unbeknown to Sony, flown to Philips headquarters in Europe and formed an alliance of a decidedly different nature—one that would give Nintendo total control over its licenses on Philips machines.

            From wikipedia.
        • pegisys, on 10/10/2007, -0/+5Dreamcast was dead before the Xbox came out. They might have stopped selling them before then but they were already broke and just getting rid of what ever stock they could
      • LocalDocal, on 10/10/2007, -1/+12But I'm already reminiscing about how great it was to own a PSX. Seriously, with games like Final Fantasy Tactics, Final Fantasy VII, Xenogears, and so many others, I would rank the PSX right up there with the SNES in terms of excellent games. I myself haven't been able to own such an incredible library during the GCN/XBox/PS2 era and neither does it look good for me this era.
    • JustinPM, on 10/10/2007, -2/+3PSX was a good system, all around I dug the crap out of the PSX. PS2, less so. And PS3, well, I don't own one but I haven't found a reason to own one yet. And the dreamcast was a good system.
      • JordanVictor, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Ya it just came out a little to early.
    • Elranzer, on 10/10/2007, -3/+3Did they thank Nintendo for the SNES design they used for the PlayStation controller?
  • RoadDoggFL, on 10/10/2007, -11/+91He got his flash cards mixed up. He meant to thank Nintendo for showing Sony that motion-sensing controllers were actually a good idea.
    • iZealot, on 10/10/2007, -6/+30Also forgot to thank Nintendo for showing that force feedback continues to immerse gamers and is not last gen.
    • bCabulon, on 10/10/2007, -38/+4Digg me down if you want, but the Wii launched after the PS3 in both Japan and the U.S. One could say just as easily that Nintendo stole the idea of motion sensing from Sony as the other way around. The truth is that they both took an existing idea and implemented it in different ways. Don't forget there were motion sensing controllers long before either the PS3 or the Wii.
      • vapblack, on 10/10/2007, -3/+16"Digg me down if you want"

        done!
        • bCabulon, on 10/10/2007, -4/+1I was expecting it. The first line is a bit of flaming. If I just said motion control was around well before the Wii or PS3. The two systems implement it differently. They aren't copies of each other. I'd be dugg down just enough that people wouldn't bother to read the comment. The way I phrased it ensures that I had enough negative diggs that people would look anyway.
      • MarkOfTheDead, on 10/10/2007, -1/+8Yeah, but look at Nintendo's development and implementation of their motion control system as opposed to Sony's. Not counting ***** ported wii games or as I call them wii-makes, look at the sixaxis vs. the wii remote. which one seems more tacked on?
        • bCabulon, on 10/10/2007, -2/+1They are different beasts. I've played games on both systems that make good use of the feature. There are also games on both systems where it is tacked on/ irritating. Nintendo makes motion control the central part of their control scheme; Sony doesn't. It's like comparing japanese sword controllers to PC tilt controllers.
      • shadomynd, on 10/10/2007, -1/+4If you truely believe that, then it is obvious to me that you have serious problems following anything resembling logic.
        • bCabulon, on 10/10/2007, -1/+0What is illogical about thinking different control schemes aren't rooted in each other. There are other earlier controllers that are closer to each the wii controller and the PS3 controller than the wii controller is to the PS3 controller.

          Perhaps you are unable to read and thought that I was saying that the wii is a ripoff of the ps3 controller. What I was saying is that saying the ps3 controller is a copy of the wii's is about the same as saying the wii controller is a copy of the ps3's. Neither one is a copy of the other.
      • Elranzer, on 10/10/2007, -1/+6You realize that the Wii was shown at E3/TGS 2005 with the motion sensor Wii-mote and the PS3 had its loser boomerang controller. It wasn't until E3 2006 that Sony showed off the Sixaxis with motion controls.

        Though I bet you think that Nintendo developed the Wii in the two days between the PS3's launch date and the Wii's launch date. ***** 13 year olds.
        • bCabulon, on 10/10/2007, -3/+0Someone dissagreeing with you doesn't mean they are young/idiots. I don't think the wii got the Idea from sony. I don't think sony wasn't ripping off the wii. The implementation of motion control in the two systems is different. The ps3 uses it to add to a conventional controller while the wii makes it the center of their control scheme. The PS3's use is much closer to the earlier PC (and playstation 3rd party) motion controllers. the Wii is more like the sword controllers, or stand alone motion games.
        • DarkSamus, on 10/10/2007, -0/+0dugg for loser boomerang
  • doshindude, on 10/10/2007, -28/+59They should thank Nintendo for thinking of stuff that they stole from them (rumble, motion control, etc)
    • shug7272, on 10/10/2007, -7/+49Yea I guess Nintendo should thank Atari then.
      • Zettabyte, on 10/10/2007, -8/+17Microsoft and Nintendo should thank sega for there contoller designs too?

        Wimmote is pretty simalar motion sense Sega Bass fishing rod controller

        The Microsoft controller is like Dreamcasts controller.
        • MaxPayne3476, on 10/10/2007, -12/+4Like is hardly it. The Wiimote and Sega Bass fishing rod are completely different. One has motion sensing in all directions and magic. The other can tell when flicked up or to the sides.

          And the Dreamcast controller was just a rip off the Nights controller Sega previously released for the Saturn. The XBox controller, the original design, not S, is similar however, still quite different.
      • Namco, on 10/10/2007, -5/+14Um Atari crashed the entire video game industry. Nintendo came along and rescued it with quality games and great licenses.
        • Nossie, on 10/10/2007, -9/+2I'm worried actually ...Atari nearly did sink the gaming industry, Nintendo did refresh something that becoming dire sequels of sequels of clones and added some personality. A trend has been forming again over the last 5 years or so

          "dire sequels of sequels of clones"

          I think Sony and EA have became the Atari of before.... I'm thinking the crash is coming again :-| and disregarding their ingenius games Nintendo are the only ones making a profit this generation AND last...
          • apoc06, on 10/10/2007, -1/+1so after selling 120+ million PS2s last generation, which are coincidentally still continually outselling most of the new "next gen" hardware, you mean to tell me that sony did not make any profit last generation?

            and not to downplay nintendo's success, but just because nintendo is making a profit, it doesnt necessarily mean that helps the industry. nintendo makes a profit off of their hardware and their first party software sales are excellent, but the fact that their target demographics fail to purchase most 3rd party titles means that the industry is still hurting. the wii attach rate is very low for 3rd party titles. the wii is great for nintendo, but most 3rd party companies are still working very hard. thats why you dont have 3rd party companies ignoring the other consoles in the same way they did with the ps2.
        • SkippyDoorknob, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4Atari didn't crash the industry. A glut of garbage third party games did (although Atari contributed by releasing their own garbage at the time too).
          Nintendo helped control that situation (maybe too strongly at first) by requiring third parties to get a license from Nintendo and requiring Nintendo approve the games. Back in the Atari days, anyone could release a game with no input or approval from Atari.
      • darkNiGHTS, on 10/10/2007, -0/+7Thank Atari for what? The NES controller looked way different than any Atari system controller.
    • reddevil3, on 10/10/2007, -18/+14Nobody is denying that Atari did a lot, but Sony copied the SNES' pad, then added the rumble and analog sticks from the n64, and then motion control after seeing the Wii (it was never planned with the motion control, which is obvious).
      • Ajajadude, on 10/10/2007, -25/+10I'm sitting here looking at my PS3 controller while looking at my SNES controller, and while I see a vague similarity (one shared by the 360, if you hadn't noticed), I really don't see how it was copied. And I seem to remember the 64 have ONE analog stick. I also can't use my PS3 controller like it's invisible wand.

        You're reaching.
      • thatsmyaibo, on 10/10/2007, -8/+15Oh...yeah...Sony copied everything from Nintendo. In case you guys forgot, Sony originally developed the Playstation for Nintendo but was turned down because they didn't think digital media would work. I don't care if you hate Sony or not, they brought a lot to the gaming world.
        • Amablue, on 10/10/2007, -3/+25Like load times for instance.
          • Nossie, on 10/10/2007, -1/+6HINT: Sony was involved with Nintendo in the making of the Nintendo CD player for the SNES before Sony put the final nail in its coffin by announcing the PlayStation.)

            nuff said! :P
        • LocalDocal, on 10/10/2007, -1/+3Digital loading was only one of the reasons. The biggest reason, I believe, had something to do with Sony getting more financially than Nintendo (which makes more sense than Nintendo backing out over some silly medium doubts). Still, I wonder what OOT or Majora's Mask would be like on discs.
          • Nossie, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4OOT Master Quest is rumoured to be the cd extended version of the Nintendo DD cd expansion.
    • JenadaeXX, on 10/10/2007, -2/+11... analog stick, shoulder buttons...
      • Sketchcast, on 10/10/2007, -0/+10Nintendo also invented the D-Pad. Every controller innovation thus far has been brought upon by Nintendo.
        • SkippyDoorknob, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3The Intellivion controller is dangerously close to a D-pad. Except that it was a disc and was 16-direction instead of 8.

          Too bad it was so hard to use though. They missed the one seemingly obvious innovation though: make the controller sideways instead of vertical. Imagine using an original NES controller with the dpad at the bottom and the button at the top.
      • Sketchcast, on 10/10/2007, -2/+2Double post (attn digg, please fix this ***** comment system)
  • swiecki, on 10/10/2007, -15/+34This is happening less and less as more sony conferences go by, but does anyone get the feeling that the guys on stage at the sony press conferences are arrogant assholes?
    • Birdoftruth, on 10/10/2007, -5/+5Honestly I don't know, but what I can tell you is that the second I saw J. allard I got the impression that he's a bald ass hole. And when I heard the way he speaks, it confirmed my impression.
    • SSCrow, on 10/10/2007, -7/+2Yes, Phil Harrison is such an ass.
      And who is the other guy?
      Jack Tretton, He is Worse.
    • ericrous, on 10/10/2007, -2/+3From the kind of hubris, bald-faced arrogance we've seen from Sony execs for the last two years--even as it is becoming increasingly obvious that their next-gen console has tanked and landed in a distant 3rd place--I'm beginning to think they must require an arrogance class to even be promoted at Sony.
  • shug7272, on 10/10/2007, -11/+45And the 12 year olds start their wars of whose is bigger.... Just take the story for what its is. A compliment and shut up, nobody wants to hear it. Sonys right, Nintendo brought gamers into the fold nobody else would have. NOT MS and NOT EA.
    • iZealot, on 10/10/2007, -6/+1EA can bring in gamers if they can capitalize on their new casual games division. Maybe create an inovative title for the Wii?

      However I have my doubts.
      • Nossie, on 10/10/2007, -0/+14All EA have ever done is gobbled up fantastic companies and farted out half assed licenses and craptastic sequels of sequels.

        R.I.P Bullfrog :( we miss great games.
    • Namco, on 10/10/2007, -7/+19Nice compliment after calling the Wii a toy and the DS ghetto. Now they're eating crow as the wii and DS outsell Sony 5 to 1.
    • mrFREEZE, on 10/10/2007, -3/+11Shug: Do you even know what PR is? This is a backhanded compliment at best.
    • LocalDocal, on 10/10/2007, -4/+2You are correct, Shug, but the opposite is true too. MS and EA brings in gamers that Nintendo would not. If a developer is popular, then chances are that they're doing something gamers like, and they're doing it in a way that no one else is. This is why developers like Nintendo, Konami, Capcom, and etc gets recognition why other companies are merely in the background.
    • ericrous, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4It's not a compliment. It's a backhanded insult (and a laughably arrogant one at that). Listening to Sony talk smack about Nintendo right now, even as Nintendo is absolutely wiping the floor with them in sales, is like listening to the local high school quarterback brag about how much better his team is than the Denver Broncos.
  • Yang1205, on 10/10/2007, -8/+79I'll stick with my N-Gage BITCHES

    /sarcasm
    • KMye, on 10/10/2007, -2/+55That would have been so much better if you'd just left the /sarcasm off it. If people are too dumb to get your joke, ***** 'em
      • therealNofutcha, on 10/10/2007, -3/+18normally i agree, but this being digg, he would have been dugg down cause "omg teh ngayge sux, xbawks!!"
        • KMye, on 10/10/2007, -0/+7exactly, ***** them, and ***** the comment's score, and just be happy the people who get the joke are enjoying it to its fullest. (or do most people still view their comments using something other than "show all"?)
      • MSTK, on 10/10/2007, -2/+1Unfortunately, the Digg comment system doesn't work that way.
    • MagicCake, on 10/10/2007, -1/+2Side-talkin'!
    • Dundasbro, on 10/10/2007, -1/+11I have an N-Gage... :(
      • mrFREEZE, on 10/10/2007, -0/+8I use mine to throw at the crows that hang out near my car after work.
        • vapblack, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1I have one too. I got it free tho...
        • Tippis, on 10/10/2007, -0/+11Poor crows... :(
          Couldn't you just use something humane, like Anthrax or Sarin gas?
          • Tikkimann, on 10/10/2007, -2/+1I'm sorry, but I wasn't a huge gamer in 2005. Could you explain why the N-Gage sucks? It may have had design issues, but from what I read, it was the first handheld console to do 3D games (it could even do normal mapping!), the first handheld to do online games, and the game library stopped sucking towards the end of its lifesan...okay it sucked less.

            See? Good games!

            http://www.metacritic.com/games/ngage/scores/
      • mike17032, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2For the money, it was a really good phone for its time. I used one for a long time.
        • SteveMax, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1It used to be the cheapest smartphone you could buy (at least here in Brazil). The old OS wouldn't cut it anymore, but on its days it was miles ahead of anything in the same price range. Nokia needs a similarly cheap smartphone (preferably one in which you do not need to talk sideways...)
  • leondel, on 10/10/2007, -14/+8Nintendo is the best!
  • trunkster, on 10/10/2007, -4/+43Putting console choice aside I think we can all agree:
    EA sucks.
    • SSCrow, on 10/10/2007, -3/+2Haha, EA has delayed the PS3 version of the Orange Box by a few weeks.
      Sad.
    • YuriSakazaki, on 10/10/2007, -3/+5You know, as much as their business practices are, I will probably be picking up MOH: Airborne, and I still love the NFS series. I simply can't wait for the C&C3 expansion. EA still does have a few good franchises.
  • Bricks, on 10/10/2007, -14/+8Sony knows they owe a lot Nintendo - the PS3 obviously borrowed a page from their playbook. The Virtual Boy playbook.
  • SSCrow, on 10/10/2007, -17/+8So when will Sony Thank Microsoft for building an Online service that they get to copy?
    • specialK16, on 10/10/2007, -1/+14Sega thought of it first.
      • joemofo214, on 10/10/2007, -9/+5first online gameplay.... pc

        so, sega has pc to thank

        and.... what os are almost all games on?
        • smackhero, on 10/10/2007, -1/+15..and windows runs on x86 architecture, therefore intel created all gaming innovations--but wait, all computers run on electricity, so we really should have benjamin franklin to thank! benjamin franklin must be the father of video games.

          you're a moron.
  • TrevorBradley, on 10/10/2007, -5/+45Nintendo: We'll hand your ass to you and make you thank us for it.
  • llamapalooza87, on 10/10/2007, -15/+9"But Sony is going places where EA and Microsoft have never been."

    Yeah, they're right. No other game company has gone this far downhill.
  • mal1964, on 10/10/2007, -7/+3Saying thanks to competition is number one on a gamers list. The chain of command for saying thanks on a rivals list should be.
    1, Customers
    2, Employees
    3, Investors
    4, Competition
  • BobDawg, on 10/10/2007, -8/+0@llamapalooza87
    I was thinking that 5-7 minutes ago, I was just trying to find a way to reply to the comment made by @internetcoward

    -BobDawg
  • monkiboi, on 10/10/2007, -8/+3I thank Nintendo for once again letting me appreciate the fun of video games. Too often I was worn out by the complexities of what to do in and with a game. The gaming experience is back for me, but hey, I still have a SNES hooked up with Super Mario Kart ready at a moments notice.
  • neovash, on 10/10/2007, -7/+8Looks like sony is starting to eat their comments about Nintendo and the Wii
  • BlauAngel, on 10/10/2007, -8/+12I think that what nintendo's doing now is broadening the gaming community so that casual gamers who only pick up a wii for it's "party games" will start getting interested in games and'll start lookin into buying a PS3 or 360 because they've built up an interest in games, which means that competitors will be making more money in the long run and games will be accepted as a form of entertainment rather then a child's "play thing". well, that's what i think anyway.
    • felyduw, on 10/10/2007, -2/+8So Wii is a child's "play thing" but PS3 and 360 aren't. *Long Audible Sigh*
      • Nossie, on 10/10/2007, -1/+8I wouldnt say that the Wii (or GC for that matter) were 'childs play' but you have to admit that the vast majority of Nintendos games have always been based at the 'wholesome family'

        Mortal Kombat with the grey blood? anyone ? *cries*
        but saying that, I just cant get enough of the mario/zelda games XD
        • Shanobi, on 10/10/2007, -1/+3Killer 7 with the insane amounts of blood, and dripping with sex? Eternal Darkness with it's downright evil storyline? RE4, with it's awesomeness?

          Believing that people are going to move from the Wii to the other consoles, is to not get the entire philosophy behind the REVOLUTION in the first place. It's about picking a game up and being able to play it, without looking at a map to find which button to press.

          More complex games like MP3 for the hardcore, and easy to pick up and play games for the casual.

          It's thinking outside of the box that Sony and Microsoft have so long been trying to fit into.
      • staticneuron, on 10/10/2007, -3/+2Shanobi you pretty much named almost all the adult games on the GC. throw in the rest of the RE's and MGS remake and your done.
        • Mrstupid7, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1I won't play any games rated less than M because then I wouldn't be cool.
      • BlauAngel, on 10/10/2007, -1/+0that's not exactly what i meant. But i figured some one would say that. :(
    • locd32, on 10/10/2007, -1/+1I think you hit the nail on the head.
    • ddobson, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1That's a very good point. Hardcore gamers forget that to the mainstream public, ANY kind of videogaming is kid stuff. Within the gaming community, there's an appreciation of different genres, visual styles and hardware capabilities as differentiators between the Wii and the HD systems. But to most people devoting hours to a bloody FPS is just as juvenile as devoting hours to Pokemon. Broadening the audience is key to earning videogames the respect that film has earned (movies were just a childish novelty once upon a time as well, but games have been stunted by a focus on technology at the expense of storytelling IMO.)
      • BlauAngel, on 10/10/2007, -1/+0that's exactly what i'm trying to say! thanks for thinking critically.
  • BobDawg, on 10/10/2007, -13/+0How Did this comment get a Digg? ... Why? ... What is there to Digg about it?

    @Dundasbro
    "I have an N-Gage... :("

    -BobDawg
    P.S. Who Did It, come on fess up.
  • Namco, on 10/10/2007, -4/+3... but I thought Nintendo were the "gaming ghetto".
  • MalDON, on 10/10/2007, -6/+4Looks to me like Sony is afraid Nintindo might just team up with Microsoft down the road. Who knows really, but it sure seems like they are being too nice. Then again, this comes from the last place console.
  • Shaflugi, on 10/10/2007, -3/+3What? Sony thanking Nintendo? inb4 PSWii FTW
  • kravex, on 10/10/2007, -9/+6A word to Sony's marketing department about 'sarcasm'

    you can be sarcastic when your winning, not when your losing.

    Do you get it?
    • locd32, on 10/10/2007, -1/+2I don't think it was sarcasm at all. A backhanded compliment, maybe. But definitely not sarcasm.
  • chubbybubba, on 10/10/2007, -6/+26The best thing about the wii is that it keeps your kids away from the 360 and ps3. And it keeps them away from the HD set. When my kids are hassling me to buy or rent a game, I'm like, "lets check out the wii section." I swear that without a wii version of the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, I'd have never finished Gears of war.
    • MalDON, on 10/10/2007, -3/+9That's a good point. Geesh, I'm buying a wii tomorrow.
  • Puppetfunk, on 10/10/2007, -2/+2I say we Thank people like Thomas T. Goldsmith Jr., Estle Ray Mann, Alexander S. Douglas, and William Higinbotham. Without them we wouldn't have any of this.
  • blindflacker, on 10/10/2007, -3/+3Well Sony shouldn't be too upset since PS2 did so well because of Gamecube sucking so much.
    • Shanobi, on 10/10/2007, -1/+3By that way of thinking, the 360 and PS3 are sucking way more.
  • adml_shake, on 10/10/2007, -1/+9My Phantom will pwn you...oh....
  • SqueakyWheel, on 10/10/2007, -8/+2mario is just as bad as madden. They just get to use names like"new" and "galaxy instead of 06 07
    • Nossie, on 10/10/2007, -1/+1huh? IF EA didnt have the monopoly on sports games till 2010 (or around then) the games would be FAR better than their current half arsed efforts.

      By your distinction Mario strikers is a FIFA clone
      • Shanobi, on 10/10/2007, -1/+2@squeaky: Not like Halo, Gears of War, Forza, Grand Theft Auto, Gran Turismo, Tony Hawk, Ratchet and Klank, Doom, Quake, Metal Gear, Castlevania, Final Fantasy, or, christ why should I list all the games in your collection for you?
  • jellygraph, on 10/10/2007, -0/+6good to see Sony demonstrate intelligence on the same level as their current main user base.
  • icsbase, on 10/10/2007, -2/+6"Erm.SNES: http://www.cliffracer.com/store/images/snes-controlpad1.jpg PS1 (original controller at launch): http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/b/b0/Playstation_Controller.jpg/180px-Playstation_Controller.jpg"

    Actually Sony "ripped" the controller even more. I dont know if thats the right word but if you look at every Nintendo made controller, you can clearly notice the difference and inventions after another. You might not know but the PAL-version of the SNES had different color controller than the US one. Also PAL SNES looked different but anyway, here is a pic of PAL SNES controller: http://inmyexperience.com/archives/images/snes_controller.gif
    Sony couldnt just use the same thing so they invented circle, square, triangle and x to replace the red,green, blue and yellow buttons. However, Sony made 1 addition. 2 top buttons. While SNES had L & R, Sony added 2 more under them to their own controller. They failed in one thing though, that cross controller on the left at Sony's own controller, sucked for battle games. Your thumb will get hurt after playing some battle games like Tekken on PS. It was way too hard. Too bad that Sony couldnt go with their original plan for PS3 controller, this boomerang: http://i.afterdawn.com/news/playstation_3_controller_full.jpg
    Would have been nice to see it in action but Sony backed off and introduced the PS2 controller for PS3 with no actual changes that are visible. to a most of people. Great plan - NOT. Where are the new innovations. We know Sony said that rumble is last generation but c'mon, Nintendo uses it, why not Sony. Anyway, it feels strange, atleast for me to hold my hands on the L1&L2 and R1&R2 buttons of the controller. If i do that, i cant hold the controller properly at my hand. Feels weird. Its ok to do it sometimes but i cant do it all the time.
    • Quakes, on 10/10/2007, -5/+3Personally I think the ps2 (and consequently ps3) controller is the most comfortable one I've ever held. I love it.
      • Renton, on 10/10/2007, -1/+3Are you on crack? Go pick up a Gamecube, Dreamcast, or 360 controller.
      • Mrstupid7, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Used to is not the same as comfortable.
    • TheNewFlesh, on 10/10/2007, -0/+5PS1 - 1995
      N64 - 1996 Controllers with Joysticks
      PS1 "Dual Analog" - 1996 They copied and 1-uped nintendo again (like the SNES's shoulder buttons)

      Sony's bummed so much stuff off Nintendo, I'm surprised they're only thanking them for "broadening the market". Sony does some things very well, but Nintendo has always been the innovator. Who else but the best software developer in the world could dream up new control schemes that work? You can't have a hardware team come up with a controller with no games in mind. I was blown away but so damn happy to see the Wii succeed.
    • locd32, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3They didn't use the boomerang because they listened to the huge public outcry from their consumers. The majority of current PS2 owners didn't like the idea of the boomerang and voiced that opinion. Sony had no choice but to listen really.
  • hungryforharry, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Stolen from Next-Generation Online

    http://www.next-gen.biz/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=6931&Itemid=50
  • Jemono, on 10/10/2007, -6/+1Sony hasn't been the industry leader for nothing. Give it a few more months and just wait for the wave. Every one will want to get one. Future proofed.
    • Shanobi, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3You forgot the sarcasm tags.
    • staticneuron, on 10/10/2007, -1/+2Wow, I guess I am not the only one who remembered the apathy and hate when the PS2 was released.
    • ddobson, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1I bought the PS1 at launch and was very happy with it; bought Rayman a few weeks later when it came out on disc on the PS1 before the Jaguar cartridge made it to market. But that "wave" of great games started right at launch, and the same games weren't available on other platforms for the most part. The PS3 is a much different situation - it's running behind in several key areas, and the "everyone will want to get one" hasn't come to pass because "everyone" wants a Wii and/or a 360 at this point.
  • Trat, on 10/10/2007, -4/+5Nintendo thanks Sony for making expensive POS PS3 console...
    • locd32, on 10/10/2007, -2/+6The PS3 may be expensive but it's hardly a POS. Rip on the games if you want but the console is really well developed.
    • DarkSamus, on 10/10/2007, -0/+0nice fridge, got any food?
  • BabyGib, on 10/10/2007, -3/+0Really; What Is All The Fuss About? Game Systems Are Always Going To Be Around. So Just Shut Up; Buy And Play What You've Got Right Now! This Taking Of Sides Is Why Gamers Can Not Get A Decent Rep.!
  • ChrisWickenscom, on 10/10/2007, -3/+1At least they have the grace to say that.
    Take it for what you will, but I'm still getting a PS3 to sit next to my 360 and if some games that arent less that 10 min long are released for the Wii, I will get one of those too.
    • ikarimaru, on 10/10/2007, -1/+6Man, those were a long 10 minutes I spent on Super Paper Mario, LoZ: Twilight Princess, and am currently spending on Metroid Prime 3. Relativity is a beyatch, ain't it?
  • wassim2k, on 10/10/2007, -0/+6"recycling gamers" - good idea, all that fat could be used as fuel.
  • daridave, on 10/10/2007, -1/+2What about thanking the consumers who are totally getting ripped off right now ??? Shouldn't they get some kind of attention ?
    • ausrokit, on 10/10/2007, -0/+0they don't have to buy...
    • Elric77, on 10/10/2007, -0/+0And besides, the PS3 has sold under 5 mill, so only a small handful are getting ripped off.

      :)
  • deathweaver108, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1I guess they didn't need those hundreds of millions of dollars in market share any more.
    • locd32, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1/sigh it's business 101. Nintendo expanding the market. Therefore Nintendo didn't steal hardly any market share from Sony (if anyone did it was MS). Sony is thanking Nintendo because they successfully expanded the market giving Sony a chance to steal 10million people worth of new market. They can potentially expand their user base off of the Wii's success. They really should be thanking Nintendo for this, I don't think they should have done it publicly or in the backhanded fashion that they did but oh well.
  • Samji, on 10/10/2007, -2/+4I really hate Sony.
    Their idea of innovative is to rip off other companies and produce crappier versions.
    Granted, the PS2 and PS3 are good systems. But I hate how Sony think that anything they do is the best thing since sliced bread and the awful plethora of proprietary formats they shove aggressively down your throat.
    And their love of DRM, just makes me want to kick them in the butt.
    • ausrokit, on 10/10/2007, -0/+0they seem to have copied Nintendo's moves since the ps1 days but perhaps Nintendo has 1upped them this time... playstation and wii are at opposite ends of the power/innovation spectrum...
  • Maverick0420, on 10/10/2007, -4/+13people who think sony are heading towards bankruptcy are just complete idiots
  • chyya, on 10/10/2007, -6/+0how many people want to bet that those nintendo fanboys that made douche bag comments against sony are playing their wii on a sony tv?
    • ausrokit, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4maybe they should stick to tvs then...
      • chyya, on 10/10/2007, -2/+0or maybe the fanyboys should stop being elitist brand whores
    • BlauAngel, on 10/10/2007, -0/+0that would be pretty damn funny and contradictory to what their ranting about sony.
    • Mrstupid7, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1I can tell you I have nothing Sony branded in my house.
  • enforcerpsu, on 10/10/2007, -0/+5I love how Sony constantly puts out these completely ambiguous statements about going places no one has before and the PS3 is paving the way into the future. They don't mean anything. Where is the proof? The action? Show me something other than the SIMS (home).
  • Vanor, on 10/10/2007, -1/+0WOO Monster Hunter Freedom 2 comes out today!!!
    • Nidor, on 10/10/2007, -0/+0I wish MH 2 came to the states for ps2, doubt we will even get MH 3 for PS3, sigh. Monster Hunter 3 would be a game id buy the ps3 for. Little Big world looks interesting as well, but that brings my list of games id want for ps3 to 2, i'll need more than that to warrant the cost of one and the hdtv.
  • guerrilla_suit, on 10/10/2007, -1/+4They should be thanking MS. Without the legions of faulty Xbox 360's Sony's sales would be near zero.
  • JParsons4, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2I don't care who rips who off, which system is better, or who says what - as long as I can get my God of War 2 on, who cares.
  • misfit410, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2For once they tell the truth, Microsoft and EA have never been Bankrupt.
  • wafflesomd, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4"We’re very happy Nintendo broadened the market to where we have never gone. But Sony is going places where EA and Microsoft have never been."

    Yes, down.

  • aw93053, on 10/10/2007, -2/+1Sony is thanking Nintendo because back when the CD-Rom attachment for the SNES was to come out, Nintendo pulled out of the deal with Sony at the last moment, opening the door for Sony to release the PlayStation. 102 Million PS1 and 117 million PS2 systems later. This has nothing to do with "broadening the market to where we have never gone"
    • McTendo, on 10/10/2007, -2/+1Then I guess you didn't RTFA. Troll blocked.
  • daridave, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2They should be thanking them since the N64 controller...
  • psi0nicgh0st, on 10/10/2007, -1/+0I think Nintendo and Microsoft are giving them a run for their money so now they're trying to make some allies....fat chance, lol
  • Denzal, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Transcript: "Please don't rape us anymore. We're having trouble sitting down to check our losses"

    I really still have to wonder why Sony made the decisions they made during this gen. The reason for the ps2's success was not, as Sony believes, due to the power of the brand, but because it was affordable, easy to program for, had a broad range of games in all genres and did not require several thousand dollar's worth of equipment to get the most out of it. Plus, to the top the lot, it included a very cheap, affordable means to play the media format that was rapidly becoming the standard -- DVD.

    So with this in mind, Sony decided to launch their next gen console, with a $600 price point, complex architecture, virtually no games, and requiring an HDTV to get the most out of it. To top the lot, the price was made incredibly cumbersome with the inclusion of a very expensive proprietary format with very little market penetration that not everyone fully supports or intend to support.

    Way to ***** up, Sony. The reason Nintendo is winning this generation is because they did exactly the same kind of stuff the PS2 did seven years ago. Nintendo learns from their mistakes, Sony throws their successes out of the window and dives headlong into another uncalculated risk. I imagine next gen Nintendo will be doing the same thing that Sony/MS has been doing but with the added advantage of a mature market that has been scoped out by the runners up of this gen.
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