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- mattboston, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1And they don't think that most of us are burning legal CD's or DVD's???? I easily go through a couple hundred CD's and DVD's per month backing up my own data.
- Coronaboy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I'm waiting for the day when they screw up the copy protection and the CDs refuse to play in a lot of CD players. This will backfire big time and really piss off the customers.
- xN8x, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3TARGET THIS!!!! *turns around and drops pants in a mooning fashion*
+ Digg - RightMind, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1That raises a few questions:
1- How will they do this?
2- How will they tell the difference between a CD burned from a friend's CDs (illegal) and a CD burned from iTunes downloads (legal)?
3- Will they go after people who make "backups" for personal use? I have had my vehicle broken into and CDs stolen. Since then, I have only kept burned CDs in my car. The originals stay in my house.
I think this is just a publicity stunt. - Ratteler, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1The RIAA complaining about us ripping off artists is like Hitler complaining that Mohamed al-Kahtani is Anti-semetic.
The RIAA are only "protecting" their "right" to a better class of hookers and cocaine.
Before napster was shut down, I would download music and eventually buy the CD. They declaired war on the will of American people with that and their lawsuit terrorism.
The only way I will buy a CD now is if the artist themselves places it in my hand, and I give him/her cash for it. - dimwell, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1"You've gotta be able to look down the road and see that YOU WILL NEVER STOP THIS. The very nature of digital media will ALWAYS leave an opening for piracy. NO COPY PROTECTION will ever work 100% and as soon as it's flaw is discovered, people will distribute the work-around on the Internet in a matter of hours."
You're preaching to the choir, but that's an excellent observation. - mu-sly, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@dimwell: I guess the question is "how much would you pay to get the RIAA to STFU once and for all?"
I don't think they'd do that for any amount of money. Even if a tax was placed on blank media, and even if people paid it, they'd still be a whinging bunch of *****.
Long term, I think it's best to just starve them out of business. As a musician who is friends with a lot of other musicians (quite a few with record deals, although only smaller ones) I can tell you that the major labels do nothing for music anyway, and that the sooner their stranglehold is destroyed, the better it will be for musicians and music lovers alike.
Music is an artform, not really a business. All those profiteers need to ***** off, and at that point, music will return to being a viable career for us small-timers, who are currently kept unable to just make a reasonable living from being a musician, because we aren't "megastar" material.
I don't think the majors will ever go away, but thanks to the net, it's much easier to get on an even footing with them these days, and that's what's really killing their bottom line.
This issue has never been about piracy, and always about control of the distribution channels (eg. radio), because if they loose their monopoly on that, which largely keeps independent stuff out of the mainstream, that's when they are really really screwed. - Crackermack, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1You've gotta be able to look down the road and see that YOU WILL NEVER STOP THIS. The very nature of digital media will ALWAYS leave an opening for piracy. NO COPY PROTECTION will ever work 100% and as soon as it's flaw is discovered, people will distribute the work-around on the Internet in a matter of hours.
The railroad industry thought their strangle-hold on freight and passenger transportation was invincible. And then cars came along. I'm not saying artists shouldn't be paid for their work. But under the current system do you think it's the artists really making the money? The RIAA needs to look at its business model and realize it's as out-dated as door-to-door ice salesmen. Make tickets to live performances and merchandise like T-shirts drive the business financially. Make money from "product placement" like charging commercials and movies to use your songs. I'm personally tired of spending $16 for a CD from a small band that can't tour because their label is using the $14.75 THEY made off the sale to have some high-end producers write another *****-stain of a song for Britney Spears. The only winners under the current system was the major labels and the 10-20 artists they "invent". Real, working bands never saw that money and many times end up owing the label for the cost of their studio time.
RIAA, your gravy-train days are over and you're going to have to start working for your money, like the rest of us. - dimwell, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0@mu-sly: Interesting comments. Let's see what I can do here. :)
How much would I pay? A few cents per disc, a few bucks per disk. That's all it would take, really, if you look at the sheer volume of blank media sold through all of the different channels.
I agree that music is an artform (or a science, if you lean that way) and that it's not a business. It's the upfront loans, marketing, promotion, distribution, etc that you get from the RIAA and the MPAA. I'd love to see someone come up with a better model, it just hasn't happened yet. I don't think you're ever going to starve them out of business, either. Not in today's climate, anyway.
I agree that the 'net has done great things to facilitate the discovery and distribution of new independent (read: non-RIAA) labels and performers. Unfortunately, there's still not a lot of visibility for those folks, so it's harder than ever. Online music stores like Napster and iTunes are breaking down the entry barrier, though.
I don't think the RIAA has ever been concerned over distribution channels such as radio and retail. Not on the surface, anyway. Their fight has always been against piracy. I don't think a massive injection of indie stuff into the mainstream will bring them to their knees, either. - Jaesin, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1I’m going to keep this short’n’sweet and perhaps a little belligerent…
***** THE RIAA! - digman, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Before you know it the RIAA will build a time machine and travel back in time before the first generation cd-burners where built and destory the creators of it and as well kill Napster creator Shawn Fanning all in order to avoid the P2P war.
- aaronmac, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0lucky to be canadian. i am! :)
- HubertCumberdal, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0The RIAA is a complete and total farce.... They aren't doing anything but collecting lawyer's fees, and poorly at that. This is the kind of thing that happens when a bunch of scheisters are given Congressional permission to run rough-shod over you and me.
I'll start feeling bad for the recording artists when I stop seeing episodes of MTV's Cribs featuring Fat Joe, 50 Cent, Chingy and other utterly talentless pseudo artists driving away in their Rolls Royce Phantoms and Lamborghini Murcielagos after their debut CD rolls out. - dimwell, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0"That's just stupid."
Have you ever bought a blank audio cassette? A similar tax is already in place on those and, IIRC, also on blank VHS cassettes. It's only a few cents per disc.
If the price of blank media were to jump $0.05, putting an end to all of this rampant idiocy on behalf of the RIAA and MPAA, then I'm all for it. I don't pirate music or movies, but it would sure be nice to know I can download the latest Dredg album and give it a listen before I buy it and not feel like some sort of fugitive. - Jammerdelray, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0gimme a break....I buy the cd's hence they are my own private property...the riaa has no right to get their fingers into it at all.
- Jammerdelray, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0also it's not against the law to make copies of my own cd's to play in my car so the original ones remain like new
- dimwell, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0"also it's not against the law to make copies of my own cd's [sic]"
All they need to do to break that, courtesy of the DMCA, is add a simple layer of encryption or software that disallows ripping (which consequentially disallows iPod use and CD burning).
The process of defeating that encryption or other lock-down mechanism them becomes a violation of federal law.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DMCA
http://www.chillingeffects.org/ - dimwell, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0@rightmind: I wish you were right, and that this were only a publicity stunt.
Instead, I feel that it's just another glaring example of the [RI|MP]AA's inability to find an acceptable manner in which to embrace current technology. Instead, they're trying to lock down their products (which will always fail, thanks to the hacker community) and are lashing out at consumers. Both are bad for business.
Then, when business turns south, they blame hackers and pirates. They don't take a few seconds to think, "How could this have happened differently?", they just regurgitate the same rhetoric they've been spewing for the last ten years. - mitsuman, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0"The RIAA does not object to burning for personal uses".. I guess the answer is right in the article. It looks like they just want to make more $$$ with things like the kiosks mentioned in the article.
- dimwell, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Why not just do like Canada does and tax all blank media (including hard drives, CD-Rs and DVD-Rs) and pay them as royalties to the RIAA, then legalize P2P piracy?
Oh, wait ... that would make too much sense. - k3n85, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Just trying to start another campaign which will fail like all the rest...
- RightMind, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0"Why not just do like Canada does and tax all blank media (including hard drives, CD-Rs and DVD-Rs) and pay them as royalties to the RIAA, then legalize P2P piracy?"
That's just stupid. So I would be expected to pay for music I DON'T pirate? - dimwell, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0@rewritable: Then you introduce an analog generation, which defeats the whole point. It's done in real-time (which sucks) and degrades quality (which sucks). Way to miss the point.
- dimwell, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0"They don't mind as long as its for personal use"
... for now. The MPAA took away our fair use rights with DVDs. Who's to say that RIAA won't do it with the successor to CD Audio? - rewritable, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Double headed headphone cord and an audio out + audio in defeats ALL copy protection PERIOD. Oh dvd+cd? Everyheard of a tv capture card? riaa dumbasses. They'll spend all this money on copy preotection and It can be defeated with a $2 cable from radio shack. LMFAO
- nOOBert, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0"After asserting that the RIAA's educational and lawsuit strategies were working to stall the illegal downloading of music,..."
Isnt file sharing on the rise? - rifter, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Read the article guys... "The RIAA does not object to burning for personal uses, but Bainwol emphasized products and services as a potential defense. He touted kiosks that allow users to make custom mix CDs in stores: copy-protected CDs and DualDiscs, which offer consumers a DVD/CD package that cannot be reproduced."
They don't mind as long as its for personal use & I'm sure this implies that you've bought the cd. Because burning of downloaded music just carries the illegal music from your pc to the cd. It doesn't change the legal status of the music if it transfers mediums. That is like committing an illegal act in one state and going to another and saying you didn't commit an illegal act. (which btw makes it a federal crime I believe.) - Corrosionx, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0If you get in trouble with the RIAA know this:
Fromt the United States Supreme Court:
Like the prudential component, the constitutional component of standing doctrine incorporates concepts concededly not susceptible of precise definition. The injury alleged must be, for example, "` distinct and palpable,'" Gladstone, Realtors v. Village of Bellwood, 441 U.S. 91, 100 (1979) (quoting Warth v. Seldin, supra, at 501), and not "abstract" or "conjectural" or "hypothetical," Los Angeles v. Lyons, 461 U.S. 95, 101 -102 (1983); O'Shea v. Littleton, 414 U.S. 488, 494 (1974). The injury must be "fairly" traceable to the challenged action, and relief from the injury must be "likely" to follow from a favorable decision. See Simon v. Eastern Kentucky Welfare Rights Org., 426 U.S., at 38 , 41. These terms cannot be defined so as to make application of the constitutional standing requirement a mechanical exercise.
Furthermore, [it] is equally true that before one is entitled to a remedy against an alleged wrongdoer, there must be some duty owing from the wrongdoer towards the injured person." State Compensation Fund v. Superior Court, 15 Ariz App 597,598,490 P.2d 426 (1972)
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That means don't plea out! To have a "cause of action" the RIAA will need to prove there is a real loss. Not "abstract" or "conjectural" or "hypothetical,". Remember the burden of proof is on them.
For more information on how to stick it to the man, visit Mark Steven's http://www.adventuresinlegalland.com - dnaspydir, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0dimwell said: Why not just do like Canada does and tax all blank media (including hard drives, CD-Rs and DVD-Rs) and pay them as royalties to the RIAA, then legalize P2P piracy?
the simple answer is that none of the media you mention is strictly for music or video (in the case of the mpaa). canada made a poor decision on that one (no offence to any canadians). i personally have no intention of paying them for the crap they try and pass of as entertainment. you do something like that, and it's like punishing a whole class when one student is disruptive. - Ruckgesicht, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0No, they won't. Too much like the case with recordable cassette tapes - too much ability for legitimate use.
- Invariant, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0@dimwell "Why not just do like Canada does and tax all blank media (including hard drives, CD-Rs and DVD-Rs) and pay them as royalties to the RIAA, then legalize P2P piracy?"
This is a terrible idea. I have to pay money to the record industry to backup my harddrive and burn a linux iso. I'd say that less than 2% of my burned media actually have playable movies or mp3s on them. This was only a reasonable idea on things like blank tapes and minidiscs which had no other purpose but to record music. The whole "we already compensate the industry" argument was an afterthought.
Also, p2p piracy ISN'T legal in Canada. It's legal to download but that may be changing with the new laws being brought in. - mu-sly, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0@jkfan87: You are perfectly welcome to make a copy of my house.
- gotamd, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0It should never be illegal to break copy-protection for fair-use copies. As far as downloading music goes, I don't support it. However, the RIAA and MPAA are *never* going to stop me from backing up CD's and DVD's that I have purchased.
- siouxmoux, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0How In hell are the Evil RIAA going to find a way to trace back to the original offender. Seriously now. Did they even tried to brain storm and think this through how they are going to achieve this?? It truly an PR stunt from the marketing dept.
- dimwell, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0gotamd said, "It should never be illegal to break copy-protection for fair-use copies."
I completely agree. Unfortunately, legislators have voted otherwise. - dimwell, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0jkfan said, in a fit of ignorance, "Make EVERYBODY pay for people who want music? So, small businesses that need to buy CD-R or DVD-Rs and hard drives have to pay a tax for the kids who want free music?"
... It's a few pennies per disc and/or a few dollars per disk. A negligible increase, at most.
I'm not sure I understand your problem. - teamparadox, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I wouldnt mind a tax on all blank disks because I dont pay for disks, i know someone who works at a company that makes them so i get them free =)
- gotamd, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0"I completely agree. Unfortunately, legislators have voted otherwise."
Yeah, unfortunately. Interestingly, France outlawed copy-protection on DVD's because it made it impossible to make fair-use copies. Go France! - lollerskates, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Will the RIAA site get hacked again?
I think, yes. - ezkiel, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0"the simple answer is that none of the media you mention is strictly for music or video (in the case of the mpaa). canada made a poor decision on that one (no offence to any canadians). i personally have no intention of paying them for the crap they try and pass of as entertainment. you do something like that, and it's like punishing a whole class when one student is disruptive."
No offence taken. But your the ones (Americans) taken for an assriding by the RIAA. Canada is cool.... for now. - Flynnz, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0"@jkfan87: You are perfectly welcome to make a copy of my house."
perfecto! - ChiDragon, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0"Why not just do like Canada does and tax all blank media (including hard drives, CD-Rs and DVD-Rs) and pay them as royalties to the RIAA, then legalize P2P piracy?"
Heh, aside from the fact like others have stated that the levies unfairly tax people making backups of their own data and the like, there's also the fact that they didn't stop the big corporations here from trying to double dip, coming after customers and screaming profit loss and all that even after the levies were in place. Also, all of the money collected from blank audio cassettes, CDs, and DVDs (there are no levies on HDs currently, thank God...) is sitting in an account somewhere. Last I heard not a single cent has been disseminated to the artists or even to the corporate weasels that demanded it. - phil.busch, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0From TFA "The RIAA does not object to burning for personal uses, but Bainwol emphasized products and services as a potential defense. He touted kiosks that allow users to make custom mix CDs in stores: copy-protected CDs and DualDiscs, which offer consumers a DVD/CD package that cannot be reproduced. "
1. What if I want to burn my music at home instead of going to your kiosks? Your kiosks will be overpriced for sure, and it is cheaper to do it at home. Plus, if you add in the price of gas these days... hell I could be losing money.
2. I have personally reproduced a DualDisc. They are *****, and they don't play in the car. Please rid of it.
Their plans will NEVER work. - dimwell, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0@phil.busch: DualDisc doesn't comply to the "Red Book" standard for CD Audio, so that's why it won't play in your car. :)
My solution? Rip and re-burn. Keep the DVD side safer, too. - Coronaboy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Could someone please delete my posts, thanks!
- TKDWILSON, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0""""""And what will they do then? Stop buying music? Please, spare us the pre-pubescent revolutionary daydreams.""""""
WHY NOT!!!!!!!!!!! I stopped buying music. They pissed me off so much it is only "free" downloads for me. I refuse to even buy audio blank CD's because they get a cut of those. They get $0 from me because they made me mad. Others will follow.
Eric Wilson - TimmyGUNZ, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0Also, let me add that this article is a joke. If you look at the biggest selling albums of 2003 and 2004, according to Billboard, you will see that 50 Cent, Green Day, Eminem and Mariah Carey are ALL ON THERE!
What coorelation do they have that this is hurting the industry?!?! 50 Cent's "Get Rich Or Die Trying" was the biggest selling album of 2003.
I HATE THE RIAA!!!!! - trollking, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0coronaboy said "I'm waiting for the day when they screw up the copy protection and the CDs refuse to play in a lot of CD players. This will backfire big time and really piss off the customers."
And what will they do then? Stop buying music? Please, spare us the pre-pubescent revolutionary daydreams. - trollking, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0coronaboy: Figures that a sniveling digg drone like yourself would try to backpedal. You made a definite statement of what to expect, and I quote, "This will backfire big time and really piss off the customers." You have the right to remain silent, anything you say can and will be used against you. You have the right to a pacifier, seeing as you can't control your urge to make a complete fool of yourself you may need something to bite down on.
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