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- inactive, on 11/02/2007, -4/+54I was waiting for the X-mas leech week.
- ampersand2001, on 11/03/2007, -3/+46I'm still in shock.
- inactive, on 11/02/2007, -3/+38Ever wonder why every transfer was so fast? Blame those ratios.
- strOphe, on 10/27/2007, -3/+35This will only hurt the artists, whose relative obscurity could be completely negated by a free and open music sharing system like OiNK. As many users have already pointed out in other diggs, OiNK was often an impetus for discovering new, struggling artists and buying MORE CDs than users had before their membership. That's why shutting down places like OiNK is totally counter-productive.
OiNK was not just about "stealing music," or some money-scheme as the media has completely mislabeled it - it was far more about appreciating music and discovering talent that the record industry themselves would not take the time to invest in or market for.
I know digg has a monopoly on cynicism, but "har har, pirates lose again" aside, shutting down OiNK is hurting the artists that benefited so greatly from it. This sort of action is a short-term fix for struggling labels and an outdated format for music, and, as I'm sure many will testify, will ultimately hurt the labels as well by stigmatizing them in the eyes of music-lovers. - Smeed, on 10/27/2007, -0/+25hmm I wonder how Oink became as good as it was.... oh wait maybe it was the fact that ratios kept things seeded well!
- teddyrux, on 10/27/2007, -2/+23Question: what kind of bear is best?
Dwight: That's a ridiculous question.
Jim: False! Black bear.
Dwight: Now that's debatable. There are basically two schools of thought-
Jim: Fact: bears eat beets. Bears. Beets. Battlestar Galactica.
Dwight: Bears do not- What is going on? What are you doing? - meepus, on 10/27/2007, -3/+21Actually, until iTunes offers v0 quality LAME MP3s, and FLAC encoded lossless files instead of proprietary apple crap, I will never find it appealing.
- dsignr, on 10/27/2007, -2/+20You're completely wrong. The story isn't about how a P2P site got killed, it's about how a community got dismantled. OiNKs community was by far the best--transfer rates, quality, and the library. A 3rd grader with basic PHP knowledge could hack his way into creating the same structure, but without a community to supply the content, it'd be an empty skeleton.
- oxygen911, on 10/27/2007, -3/+21FTA: "What I'm saying is, the lack of a legitimate, legal service with the same quality, ease and variety of OiNK is a huge, gaping hole in the music business right now and if anyone wants to make money on a recording ever again, you guys had better fill it the hell up."
THIS is the answer. - TechnoGuyRob, on 11/02/2007, -7/+25When I found out about this earlier today, I was (am) more depressed than when I caught my wife cheaitng.
RIP OiNK. :( - dsignr, on 10/27/2007, -4/+21Just because YOU didn't get an invite doesn't mean that NO ONE ever had an invite.
- mrjit, on 10/27/2007, -3/+2095% of the music I downloaded from Oink - I would have NOT purchased regardless. The recording industry statistics are completely flawed. I'm sure most of us are in the same boat. Why is Kanye West sitting next to Gotan Project on my computer? Because I wanted to hear what Kaynes new CD sounded like. I didn't play it once after giving it a 15 minute look-see. I found out about Gotan Project via Oink, and I now own 3 of their CDs.
- squirrelza, on 10/27/2007, -0/+15Probably not. When you start a torrent site you kinda know the obvious risks.
- NarrativeCarpet, on 10/27/2007, -3/+17If it wasn't on Oink, it probably didn't exist. I'm going to miss that.
- coldphoenix, on 11/03/2007, -3/+17If you actually talk to alot of people who pirate music however, especially the members on that site, pirating merely provides a means to become introduced to new varieties of music. And then from there you are motivated to go spend money at even more concerts and on even more merchandise than if you had never been introduced to these bands to begin with--because lets be honest, the radio is a poor alternative with a horribly limited selection.
- mrjit, on 10/27/2007, -0/+13What the ***** are you talking about? No one paid anything for oink.cd downloads, but you could donate. Stop reading the News' lies.
- treed, on 10/27/2007, -1/+12No, see, that's why it is good.
- InsaneMachine, on 10/27/2007, -1/+12@blackdude
CDs are lossless, you know the whole thing that they are WAV, aka uncompressed, thus lossless, since there wasn't anything to loose. - FatherG, on 10/27/2007, -3/+14Right. Lemme know when I can get a FLAC rip of a limited-pressing Vinyl from Amazon. Not everyone uses $10 logitech computer speakers for their music.
- mrloco, on 10/27/2007, -5/+15I am sure some site will fill the void; the question is when.
- heypetray, on 10/27/2007, -2/+12I wonder if Rosa Parks regrets not moving to the back of the bus.
- getrealnow, on 10/27/2007, -2/+12Kind of the point and stay under the radar from people who aren't into this kind of thing...
- FatherG, on 10/27/2007, -5/+14It's not theft, it's copyright infringement. When will people like YOU understand that?
- moush, on 10/24/2007, -1/+10well from all the bitching that came out of oink shutting down, they made some kind of impact for now
- mccord, on 10/27/2007, -1/+10there is no usenet!
- inactive, on 10/27/2007, -4/+12iTunes is DRM infested.
- 22justin, on 10/27/2007, -2/+10at least we still have oinkbar2000.....i know not funny
im gonna go kill myself now. see you guys later - Jimbob200, on 10/27/2007, -1/+9..it WAS free, you only donated to keep the server running.
- maybeinoregon, on 10/27/2007, -1/+9I agree 100% with the article - instead of fighting it - the labels should be hiring the best and the brightest, and be ahead of the curve.
- HunkOfLove, on 10/27/2007, -3/+10what is crippling the music industry is bad music
i miss oink :( - affanjam, on 10/27/2007, -5/+12On November 5th the entire world should start a revolution and pirate everything ever produced or published....maybe the point will get out to the general public that its not possible to stop piracy.
- thejokell, on 10/27/2007, -1/+8"The day the music died" will ALWAYS be February 3, 1959. OiNK going down doesn't even come CLOSE to losing Buddy Holly, Ritchie Valens, and the Big Bopper on the same day.
- knightboat, on 10/24/2007, -3/+9The lose/loose thing is becoming a digg epidemic. You actually got "lossless" correct twice, but somehow misspelled "lose" by the end of it.
- inactive, on 10/27/2007, -0/+6i completely agree... "stealing" music has opened the world of music far beyond the regurgitated MTV/radio crap. i would have never heard of ANY of my favorite 20 groups/artists had it not been for audiogalaxy, napster and the internet in general.
years of stealing music has caused me to buy merchandise and cd's directly at concerts from the artist/supporters directly at the venues. i have saved thousands of dollars from impulse purchases and consequently spent so much more on starving artists that I believe deserve my money. - dilpil1, on 10/27/2007, -2/+8So, they steal your music... unless you opt out?
- meepus, on 10/27/2007, -1/+7Someone I know had ten when the site went down. This same guy, if you looked at his invite tree, was responsible for a few hundred members on oink.cd, not counting those whose accounts were banned or deleted. You must've not known the right people.
- dime, on 10/27/2007, -1/+6Uhh, what kind of enormous sucker are you to be shopping at stores selling $50 cds?
- sockpuppets, on 10/27/2007, -1/+6You're outta usenet club seiha.
- NicksVideo, on 10/24/2007, -3/+8Most of these facts are just some guy's misguided/inaccurate opinion and one bad analogy.
- LLamaStar, on 10/27/2007, -4/+9I used oink...and anyone who thinks this site was for anything else but piracy is simply wrong. people only seeded the popular stuff to get their ratio's up. Nobody downloaded any unsigned bands who hadn't become big time yet. Every time I would try to put up new albums by unknown local artists, they wouldn't get any hits, even if I posted in the forums.
This day was coming, you knew it, I knew it, everyone knew it.
:( - SunDestroyer, on 10/27/2007, -1/+6Your comment echos popular ***** that ignorance it self strives to steer clear from.
I think I speak for most when I say: Get rid of the corporate, slimy, greedy, thieving, crooked middle men... allowing a new strategy, whereby the artists themselves are paid directly by the consumer, and you got your self a whole new load of people buying quality, DRM-free, beautiful music rather than 'stealing' it. - mywhitenoise, on 10/27/2007, -5/+9You obviously don't love Oink enough. This is seriously one of the saddest headlines I've ever read on digg. This is the equivalent of my wife leaving me.
- treed, on 10/27/2007, -2/+6And it means that you can't use it anywhere except iTunes and iPod/Phone. I bought one copy, but I want to use that copy where I please.
(For the record, I have bought iTunes Plus tracks.) - ampersand2001, on 10/27/2007, -2/+6they also held back leaks if the record labels requested it.
- inactive, on 10/27/2007, -0/+4a production copy? lol...
- CyberSkull, on 10/26/2007, -3/+7To be honest, I have never heard of OiNK before I saw this.
- jayzer, on 10/27/2007, -0/+4Happy Mole Day
- themouth, on 10/27/2007, -1/+5How hard is it to type with only half a brain? It's about control of the distribution model asshat.
iTunes has the same "half billion" songs that are available on MTV and at your local FYE. Oink had tons of rare and discontinued content as well as indie music from around the world. The IFPI, RIAA, BPI and organizations like them make their money by forcing artists to pay their extravagant fees for promotion in order to get an album in stores, this is known as extortion in most circles. When an artist can create an album, put it on oink and get it to a few hundred thousand prospective listeners around the world, the existing business model is threatened. This is why they went after the pirate bay and why they rely on FUD to scare people out of sharing. There will be an oink replacement and it will be harder to stop. By the way, I spend about $1500 a year on live music and a few select CDs from bands I really support. - mytruckhasdents, on 10/27/2007, -0/+4assuming we're all not killing ourself and there is no after life, how are you going to see us later if you kill yourself? ....the internet is confusing...
- bobrice830, on 10/27/2007, -2/+6Few pennies or not, it's still supporting the artist.
We all sit back and say how evil and greedy music execs are. And you know what? There are. There are a lot of them. But we also have to realize (especially on smaller labels who simply cannot stick around because of how much money they lose due to downloads) that there are a lot of people who genuinely love music and care about the business and the fans...but are getting put out of jobs because of things like this. And this gets ignored.
Perhaps the monetary value has nothing to do with how much you enjoy music, but it does speak volumes, in my opinion on how you value music and art period.
Look. We've all downloaded music at some point. But we need to sit back and actually think about what places like this are doing. For as much good as it often brings, it also hurts a lot of passionate, good people in the music business. -
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