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- daEvan, on 04/11/2008, -6/+131[Obligatory "***** THE RIAA" comment]
- inactive, on 04/11/2008, -2/+84I really think copyright laws and those related are just getting unreasonable now.
- UtahApocalyse, on 04/11/2008, -2/+68It's easy....
UMG our radio station would like to discontinue receiving any promo CDs. The lack of space in the studio, with the legal threat of discarding such CDs is cost and space prohibitive. This of course means that NO new artists from your label will be able to gain a listening audience. Good luck with your new legal methods. - inactive, on 04/11/2008, -2/+65Incredible.
- BoneheadFarker, on 04/11/2008, -0/+43If I got a promo CD from someone and was told that I don't actually own the CD, I would hand it right back to them and ask for one I can own. It's hard to promote your music when no one will listen to it...
- wukillabee, on 04/11/2008, -3/+41maybe he should rip it, then distribute onto the internets
- inactive, on 04/11/2008, -0/+34I really don't see how they have a legal leg to stand on - unsolicited items received through the mail are considered "gifts"
http://www.usps.com/postalinspectors/fraud/merch.h ... - diggSJaustin, on 04/11/2008, -0/+34Funny, I always sold them on Half.com. Er... I mean, a guy I knew used to do that.
- skinturtle, on 04/11/2008, -1/+33This industry seriously needs to be burned to the ground and built back up by musicians and artists who have the integrity and desire to leave out the middle man.
I'm so sick of the fat cats making millions off the backs of artist and making up stupid rules such as this. They are out of their minds. I don't know how any of these music execs have escaped getting the ***** kicked out of them. - musntSurfatWork, on 04/11/2008, -1/+33NO MORE AOL CDs!
- HookmasterCH47, on 04/11/2008, -1/+32One man's trash is another man's treasure.
- inactive, on 04/11/2008, -1/+28This is getting a bit too pathetic...
- petebot, on 04/11/2008, -3/+26Believe it or not, good music has been created after 1980.
- Mootabolife, on 04/11/2008, -1/+24he did this on a bunch of articles, reported
- solesoul, on 04/11/2008, -2/+21You say obligatory like its a bad thing
- d00msay3r3, on 04/11/2008, -3/+19Doesn't this fall under the old saying "Indian Giver"? Once you 'give' something away you loose the rights to it. That's the way it's always been and always should be!
- Rosco, on 04/11/2008, -1/+16Just pop it into the microwave, that should solve the problem, and probably improve the music on the disc as well.
- BrapAllgood, on 04/11/2008, -0/+15Back in the nineties, I was the buyer in an independent record store. I learned this nifty trick where I would call labels and ask for the promotions department and get on mailing lists. I got some of the most amazingly cool promotional items in the mail...along with TRUCKloads of CRAP. 90% of all promotional material is (was?) CRAP. I mean, it wouldn't be bad to get some CDs that suck, no...but to get the SAME sucky CD *every* other week for a year? And then be told you can't sell the stack of Underworld's "Underneath the Radar"?
Promotional materials are just that -- PROMOTIONal materials. Whether a disc might come from a record store (new or used), a DJ, or a garbage can, if it (finally) makes someone happy and convinces them to buy FUTURE releases from the artist, I say it's promotion and it's all good. (Same thing for fan bootlegs, IMhO.) For the industry to bitch about CDs making their way into collections THAT CARE TO HAVE THEM is stupid...but then again, when have they ever bitched about something that matters? (Yeah, I remember the promises of $5 CDs back in 1990 "once the manufacturing plants are all built stateside and the cost of production is offset"...is it too late to call shenanigans?) - BoneheadFarker, on 04/11/2008, -1/+15FORNICATE WITH THE RECORDING INDUSTRY ASSOCIATION OF AMERICA!
- rmxz, on 04/11/2008, -2/+16The GPL implications of this are interesting and amusing too.
Did Microsoft ever throw out a Ubuntu disk? Cool - then they're Linux distributors too. :) - glasnostic, on 04/11/2008, -1/+14somebody should stand out side wherever the UMC meet and hand out pieces of paper to them as they exit with EULAs all over them that require them to completely destroy the papers before putting them in the trash.
- 11oops, on 04/11/2008, -1/+14Actually, they're doing their job, collecting a paycheck, and supporting their families. Yes, they should have chosen a different career, and yes all lawyers are scum-sucking *****, but their personal lives are unrelated to their daily professional activities.
- tim507, on 04/11/2008, -4/+16you know their struggling to beat us when they have to come up with such ridiculous laws like that...just my 2 cents.
- endlessoul, on 04/11/2008, -0/+11The same way any other megacorporation does business. Lobbyists.
- playuhh, on 04/11/2008, -0/+11Just because I love my fans... I'm giving EVERYONE PERMISSION TO THROW AWAY my next album =)
- breadfred, on 04/11/2008, -1/+12 I am scared Times AOL Warner will request me to send all their promo/trial cd's back I have received over the last 10 years, and will sue me if don't comply.
- mytibt, on 04/11/2008, -2/+12I'll be sure to run over the CD instead, the next time MC Sleezy E gives me as I'm driving out of the gas station - wait, then they'll get me for littering
- Midtowner, on 04/11/2008, -2/+12What does one have to do with the other? People today buy up crappy music. The music industry will continue to churn out and promote crap and people will buy it regardless of what the copyright laws are. People are stupid and have no taste.
- petebot, on 04/11/2008, -0/+9People have always bought crappy music. If you look at the top ten lists from any given week since they've started making top ten lists, I guarantee 75% of the list will be one-hit wonders or flashes in the pan.
- SwankRock3000, on 04/11/2008, -1/+10Why would you throw it out?
Sell it to a second hand record store, just like everyone else who's ever worked for a radio station or record store. - NJank, on 04/11/2008, -1/+9this has nothing to do with law. It's EULA stuff.
- PopcornDave, on 04/11/2008, -0/+8If we take their logic and apply it to every day life: Since April 15th is just around the corner, how do you suppose the IRS would react to the news that they don't own the money on the check that I'm sending them, they can only keep the paper it's written on and look at it. How well would that argument fly?
- 11oops, on 04/11/2008, -1/+8Uh, I fail to see the correlation.
- inactive, on 04/11/2008, -1/+7The jurors awarding wacky verdicts and outrageous sums of money are to blame.
- unicronband, on 04/11/2008, -0/+6So true. An old JMC prof of mine used to get all sorts of screener copies of ***** TV pilots, canceled series, and all sorts of generally trashy shows/docs/made-for-TV-movies. He'd give them away to students and each week there'd be 40-50 new VHS tapes sitting on a table outside the classroom. My friends and I used to horde them, get inebriated and sit around and laugh at how bad they were. Before I moved out, I had around 300 of these tapes. I always wondered about the legality of it all.
- sexybobo, on 04/11/2008, -0/+6Bittorent them if you still have any.
- nekochan, on 04/11/2008, -0/+6they tried that. remember the dvds that blacked themselves out after being watched once?
- sporry, on 04/11/2008, -1/+6"Who the hell buys CDs, much less promo CDs on eBay?"
Collectors, hardcore music fans, and if they are cheap enough anybody really. Sometimes there may be songs on a promo CD that is not easily available otherwise. - Ravatar, on 04/11/2008, -0/+5It is a bad thing. If you feel strongly about it, do something about it.
I wonder how the world would be different if '***** THE KING' and '***** THE NAZIS' were proper substitutes for action in their respective periods in time. I realize I've used pretty extreme examples here, but I hope that doesn't diminish my point. - inactive, on 04/11/2008, -4/+9Grandpa?
- Schda, on 04/11/2008, -0/+5Not sure if people even clicked on your link before digging you, but your link doesn't work. Here is the corrected link:
http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20080409-univ ...
It's actually worth reading - alittleroy101, on 04/11/2008, -0/+4oh boy....
- tnoy, on 04/11/2008, -3/+7Its hard to hear the good music out now when your head is so far up your own ass that it is muffling the sound.
- elrac, on 04/11/2008, -1/+5Amendment 7 of the Constitution:
In Suits at common law, where the value in controversy shall exceed twenty dollars, the right of trial by jury shall be preserved, and no fact tried by a jury, shall be otherwise re-examined in any Court of the United States, than according to the rules of the common law.
So you can opt for a jury if you wish. - lysdexic, on 04/11/2008, -0/+4The RIAA is so deep in their delusions and justifications that I'm sure by now they actually believe this crap deep down to their core.
- BoneheadFarker, on 04/11/2008, -1/+5That's why I said "unfortunately". For some god-forsaken reason, that's where a lot of bands go...
- effedup, on 04/11/2008, -0/+4The world needs to not be run by senile old men.
- 11oops, on 04/11/2008, -0/+4Since you clearly don't know law and don't care to do any research to get a basic understanding, here's a pop-culture reference that perhaps you heard about while getting your 'news' from Entertainment Tonight. In 1997 the JURY awarded $8.5million to the family of Ron Goldman in the wrongful death civil suit against OJ Simpson.
- staffa, on 04/11/2008, -0/+4According to the article, the agreement that they made with the label is entirely in the label's head. The promo cd's are unsolicited and sent without any contract being signed.
- ladenta, on 04/11/2008, -0/+3This is just getting out of hand now.. I don't understand. Do they really think people are so ***** dumb, or are they just making this ***** up as they go along, just because they can?!
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