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- qole, on 10/12/2007, -0/+16I guess the RIAA figures that they can't control Internet Radio, so they have to destroy it. It's the way of every monopolist.
- paiasoloco, on 10/12/2007, -1/+15I am a listener and I can say it's the best radio that I've listened to, on or off line. It's listener supported and I often contribute. I wouldn't want to see Radio Paradise go.
Let's help Bill and Rebecca!! and all internet radio for that matter. - marzcat, on 10/12/2007, -0/+13I am horrified by this thuggery. Radioparadise is a refuge for those seeking new music, and indeed a place where people learn about wonderful new artists and buy their recordings. Having paid their dues without hesitation in the past, Radioparadise has now been asked to give what they cannot. Simply unacceptable.
- willief, on 10/12/2007, -0/+13yo stupidcomments. They DO pay royalties. Clear Channel doesn't. So who's the pirate? RTFA. Now the RIAA wants more than their previous agreement.
I've bought more music because of RP, not less. They actually play more than the same 6 "bands of the month" and I get to hear artists that I actually like. Not only is the RIAA acting against the best interest of the artists but driving technology offshore of the US. This is, in effect, taxation and tariffs which drive trade away. - jameshales, on 10/12/2007, -0/+12@stupidcomments
RTFA properly. He says that he already pays royalties. From the article:
> That agreement allowed us to operate by paying a royalty equal to 10% - 12% of our gross income in performance royalties. - JrzyTmata, on 10/12/2007, -0/+10The RIAA has gone too far. By wiping out internet radio, they gain nothing.
- pdsmith, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9I've bought more new records because of RadioParadise, Pandora etc than I have ever before. The RIAA are even dumber than we thought if they think that stopping people hearing music is a good way to protect their industry.
- brstilson, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8Let's see...
Congressman gets two letters, one from you, the concerned voter, and one from the RIAA. The envelope from you has a lengthy letter describing your concern over the RIAA. The RIAA's envelope contains a check for $100,000 as a campaign "contribution."
Who do you think that congressman is more concerned with pleasing? - ScottFromWyo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7The only radio I listen to, therefore the only source I have for finding out about new music.
- Alphamacaroon, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7Write your congressman/congresswoman, mayor, senator, governer and complain about this abuse form the RIAA. RP and Internet radio is too important to let die.
- Doggpound, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7They gain plenty from only having big corporations distribute their music because that way they can control what you hear and what you buy. Why do you think you only hear the same few songs over and over on any given large radio station? Its because that is what they are trying to sell at the time.
- WillByng, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6Yep, it's madness! I'm buying CD's (and more of them!) I'd never have bought if I'd not tuned into them on Internet radio. I guess "they" value having CONTROL more than they value the income they'll get from promoting their artists. What a waste!!
- brstilson, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6That's exactly it. You probably bought records from bands and labels that AREN'T under their control.
- penkle, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6Internet radio helps expose the art of musicians that otherwise get no airplay. Has there been a poll of musicians to find out what they think of this? I bet that the majority support it and don't want to see it disappear.
- doobes, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6Ditto. I would be lost without RP. Let's not only help Bill and Rebecca, let's help all internet radio. Call your congress and make your feelings known. I don't know if it will make any difference, but nothing will change if we don't do anything.
Do it today. Call, e-mail, whatever but get your message across to your federal representative.
chris - technogenius, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4@stupidcomments: they don't want to have to pay 125% of their income. is that so insane? that would be like if you had to pay to work at your job at mcdonalds
RP Rocks - wonboodoo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3@brstilson
To start with, there is a maximum contribution you can give to a candidate, and while I don't know what it is off the top of my head, it is well below $100,000. So you think we're better off doing nothing? Got a better solution? Way to be defeatist. If enough people are outraged by this and enough people write letters then that congressman will listen regardless of what the RIAA gives them.
Write your congressman and senators. - hcaudill, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3This is devastating news. I’ve listened to Radio Paradise pretty much all day every day since I first discovered it in 2004. I have bought dozens of CDs as a result of discovering new artists on RP. If the music industry was just greedy, that would at least be understandable. What’s makes this hard is how mind-bogglingly stupid they are - do they really think that it’s in their interests to kill internet radio?
- HavocBane, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3I definitely see your point, and I don't think that we should just give up, but really, what choice do we have? I don't know anyone who is pleased with the representation that we have in the government, and I completely agree that they probably won't listen to individuals (at least without the "contribution" spoken of).
I am being negative, yes, but I don't see much hope unless we get some bigger support. I am open to ideas here.
Also, I should note that I mistakenly responded thinking that choco was taking about my post. Sorry. - HavocBane, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2There is no point in making a direct attack on someone just because they have a different opinion than you do. Personally I hate mainstream radio and couldn't care less about popular culture, but this isn't what I was trying to get at. I think that you missed my point entirely.
I know that it is impossible for independent stations and businesses to pay these fees and I know that it is unfair and that they make great music available to the masses at no monetary cost, but I am trying to be realistic here. We live in a society where anything that promotes choice at no cost to everyone scares people. It's sad to say, and I agree that it is wrong, but the world runs on money.
All that I wanted to suggest is someway that people could make a difference. Just trying to get the big companies to go away is not going to work.
In the future, please do not make presumptions about someone merely based on their opinion. It only downplays any important topic at hand. - tishmo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I agree totally. We need the diversity that RP offers. They are doing something so awesome, and I don't know what I would do without my daily dose of RP. I listen to it everyday, I don't know what Stupid Comments is talking about, but it's true he must not appreciate music as art.
- rengeek, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I have been running an internet radio station since 1999 (http://renradio.com). When the current fees were put in place I had to cut out 2 channels (ones at different bit rates) so I could afford to keep broadcasting. It cut my listenership in half and doubled my broadcasting cost. This new rate will cause me to shut down completely. I just don't have the energy anymore. It really makes me sad that so many niche artist and small bands will never be heard.
- arof, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2They call for Congress to reevaluate their decisions about digital media and music, something I'm all for, but what's to say that the decision will be any different? This is, remember, the same group that brought us "The Internet is a series of tubes" and is still under the same lobbying pressure of the groups that got us where we are today.
That being said, I also hope as part of this decision they can make illegal the bulling of the RIAA with its lawsuits or at least force one such lawsuit to actually be resolved, not constantly postponed and pushed back by the RIAA's lawyer pool. - Peat, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I listen to Radioparadise too. I've purchased several albums in the past year as a direct result of hearing them on Radioparadise. Many of my friends have done the same.
Many of the artist's albums I've purchased are not played on mainstream radio. So it's highly likely that I wouldn't have been exposed to them without RP. - tishmo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Sorry, but I would just ask you to go back and read Stupid's comments. Who is the one attacking? Why is it ok for someone to speak derogatorily about what RP is doing? Saying that they don't want to pay royalties. I mean that makes RP look as though they have no interest in the artist, and that simply isn't true. I'm not trying to be mean here, but your outlook seems negative. I mean you say its impossible for freedom, so what, lets just give up? The reason things are the way they are is because people resign to that kind of thinking. It's sad really.
- paradyning, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Yeah I agree. Just read this myself over at the RP site and I'd be devastated if I didn't have it to listen to everyday. I make notes constantly of some of the songs I truly digg (heh heh) and guess what happens then? I go and BUY the music (usually iTunes) but this type of exposure canonly benefit the artists as I'd never normally even hear of some of these people. SAVE RADIO PARADISE...and all internet radio for that matter.... pass on the link to Bill's blog to as many people as you can :
http://www.saveourinternetradio.com/ - LonesomeFighter, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2"The RIAA has gone too far."
that's nothing new. they are always going to far. - brstilson, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2@wonboodoo
I can see your point. The problem is that not enough people probably care. If a ton of people wrote, say, the same senator, then they'd probably take more notice. Pissing off your congressional sponsors to the point they don't sponsor you I imagine is a much rosier alternative than pissing off your voters to the point they vote your ass out of office. - skez, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2sorry to reply in here, just wanted the mirror link at the top
http://duggmirror.com/music/Save_Our_Internet_Radio_The_View_from_Paradise/ - brstilson, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2"To start with, there is a maximum contribution you can give to a candidate, and while I don't know what it is off the top of my head, it is well below $100,000."
It doesn't have to be a campaign contribution, it could be something along the lines of "hey I hear your nephew is looking for a job, well my close associate has an opening for the head of FEMA. It's a do-nothing job, and the pay is a healthy 6 figures, and by the way, how's the vote on net neutrality going?" - mgadalsky, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Nice indeed. I was waiting for this for a very long time... http://hobbyzoom.blogspot.com
- alvarorb, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Let's help Radio Paradise and all other independent Internet radio stations.
Tell your representative about this. e-mail, call do what you have to do to get the word out there.
Alvaro - ScottFromWyo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I'd like to clarify a couple of points, if possible. Of course they're made perfectly clear in the actual article, but...
1. All radio stations currently pay royalties to the composers of the music. FM and RadioParadise both bay ASCAP and BMI and SESAC royalties. This is about royalties for the performer, which is agreed by all (except FM) to be a valid royalty. Reading the article, however, you'll see that the record companies manage to keep essentially all of these royalties without distributing the money to the performers. That's why Bill wrote that it's hard to write the check for 10–12% of his monthly gross--because it never makes it to the artists.
2. 125% of Gross is impossible to maintain for any business (for very long) so it's not reasonable by any standard. If the same fees were forced on FM, FM would be destroyed as well. The merits of that bear investigation. ;-) However even if the number is reduced to some less-but-still obscene number, say 30% of gross, remember that this is in addition to the ASCAP/BMI royalties, employee salaries, bandwidth costs, ---all other business costs. Ask any business owner if they could survive paying 10% off the top, they'd probably say yes. Many would say no. But 20% gets very very hard for any business to sustain. - storms1961, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Solidarity brothers and sisters. Let us do what it takes to keep RP reaching all corners of this globe.
- chocomilko, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3Stupid comments, clearly you are not getting the point. I can see you are one of many who are satisfied with status quo and the same mundane 20 or so songs offered by mainstream radio. Someone who doesn't mind being told what you are going to listen to. You are probably someone who needs to have magazines and TV to decide for you what your wardrobe will be. You probably don't appreciate art, or independent films that actually say something. You are OK being a sheep herded around so you don't have to think for yourself. If you weren't, you wouldn't be here making such an ignorant comment. Radio Paradise offers music for people who appreciate diversity. Music that goes above and beyond what any of the FM or mainstream stations have to offer. Not only this, but music where you actually can listen without constant interruptions from advertisements. What they have done is allow artists who would never have been noticed to be heard. Do they want to pay royalties? That's not the issue pin head. The issue is not paying out more than they could ever afford to even keep the station alive. Go back and read the article , they are doing more for unknown artists, and giving them a chance. You clearly haven't got a clue about the love and appreciation for music as art.
- vastrightwing, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1The RIAA is on a mission to destroy itself in spite of its own face. This is a fact. They can't stand that their business model is like the buggy whip of the past: OVER! FINISHED! NO MORE! HELLO! WAKE UP RIAA. YOU CAN'T DO BUSINESS THE SAME WAY YOU USED TO! People aren't willing to pay the fare you ask. Now that I’ve vented, I say let the RIAA single handedly destroy their business. I say go for it boys! Have fun. I'll watch and read the news as your receipts dwindle to nothing in spite of your best intentions. There is one thing you forget: you can't sell us something we don't want to buy. Try harder and harder. Make the government mandate that we can't have our iPods and we have to license radio like in the UK. Make it impossible for electronic manufactures to build something consumers want. Relive the Sony BetaMax all over again and again. There's nothing I like more than watching a good messy fight to the finish. Then when the dust is all settled, we can listen to the music the way we want to. The consumers will win this in the end. It’s just that some people are impatient.
- dfeifer, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1The only comment I have is concerning the label difference between analog and digital. I know the Digital link is applied to internet radio, and the analog to normal terrrestial radio. What I DO wonder, is wether Digital will also apply to the new High deffinition radio that is appearing accross the nation. 1057freefm.com has thier listenable thru the internet, but listening to it, there is a definate degredation of quality. The high cost of HDradio is fairly prohibitive for most people. 300-600$ for a basic reciever. and for a car 300-600 for the reciever, and another 500+ for the HD converter descrambler box. I don't have 300$ to replace the broken radio in my car, I won't even think of 1k + for one of these systems.
- lhbaker, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Probably 80% of all of the purchases I've made from itunes has been due to hearing a song on Radio Paradise. I can listen to XM online, but I don't; RP is superior in every possible way.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -3/+4The RIAA shills are here and digging down all negative comments. If they could they log your IP and have a sweat team come over to do cavity searches on you. It's very predictable; pinkertons put in place to enforce something unenforcable. Creates a siege mentality. Paranoia. Enemies everywhere.
The best strategy against that is make them see ghosts, make them affraid of their own shadow. Easy, watch em die. Make em lash out at everyone. - UltraNurd, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I'm not sure a boycott would actually work - many people would still buy new releases in numbers sufficient to keep the RIAA members afloat (when combined with their government assistance), and meanwhile, my workday would be missing a key source of entertainment.
- Apostolou, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Radio Paradise is the solution to a problem that concerns music lovers not just in the US. In today's Germany your choices of listening to music are severely limited by the fact that most FM stations play the same top 40 day in day out. Event the Oldie-Format stations play old "top 40" hits.
From what I read it seems that the record industry has gotten to the point where they completely control the airwaves in the western world. I can understand that they do not approve of independent Internet stations because they do not play the programming the industry would like them to play.
A lot of people ´have written that they stopped buying music cds until they discovered Radio Paradise. Only then did a lot of people started buying music again. Unfortunately that music is not the music that the industry wants you to buy.
For every "Porcupine Tree", "Blackfield", "Calexico" ... CD that you buy because of Radio Paradise you will not buy a Brittney-, Madonna- or Robby-Product. It's really not about royalties but about control what you hear ... and therefore buy.
This issue is far bigger than just royalties - this is about freedom of information. - DIGGtheBOX, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Good on ya mate! It's good to see fellow soldiers joining the ranks!
What happened when you called your Congressman's office? - Diggjwolf, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Had a long conversation explaining the history of RIAA paranoia and how they always managed to survive. I was told they would pass along my feedback to both the Congressman as well as to his staff-member in charge of Technology/Telecom-related issues and contact me with updates. It may not be a vote-getting issue but it's definitely an important one. I'll keep this board posted on any replies I get from them or from the CRB. Next up, I'm calling Greg Kot at the Chicago Tribune and ask him to write an article on the topic. I imagine we can also expect a scathing report from Rolling Stone magazine in their next issue.
- AlexDinamo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I think internet radio is extremely important for cultural diversity. Don't let it die!
- Travisx2, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1RP is the only radio i listen to, save it!!
- Diggjwolf, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I just got off the phone with my Congressman's office http://www.house.gov/writerep/ and emailed the CRB http://www.loc.gov/crb/contact/. If any of you care about the future of Internet radio I suggest each of you do the same as we await for further orders from General Bill.
- jdhlywd, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I have purchased more music of RP than any other source.
- guaranine, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I listen to RP daily - its the only radio station to which I listen consistently. I contribute quarterly and feel that the money is well spent.
That being said, the "Big 4" and the RIAA are in their death throes - they're dead companies walking; the trouble is - they're in denial. Like headless chickens, they run around the world bleeding cash from their necks while they attempt to preserve an outmoded and highly unpopular 2-mode economic model.
Few folks want to shell out $15 for a chunk of plastic that has 2-4 good songs on it, further necessitating the owner to rip the good stuff to their music player and chuck the disc on a dusty pile with the rest of the useless crap in their lives. Most would rather download just the songs they want and be done with it. That spells doom for the first mode of the Big 4 - controlling music distribution.
The Big 4 are also having to face the loss of revenue from the syndication of their controlled properties - royalties.
Without the fat cash flow from advertisers who use bricks-and-mortar radio, without DRM, without the US federal government as their bed-mate, the Big 4 will steadily lose ground until the only means of generating revenue through this antiquated mechanism will be via lawsuits against the very people whom they need to perpetuate their crime.
The Big 4 are busy dying in time to the lyrics of Soundgarden's cut, "Mailman:" "I know I'm headed for the bottom; But I'm riding you all the way." They know deep in their secret heart, that darkest of places where as the ultimate corporate whores they must hide their greed and cash lust, that they are indeed 'going down.'
The upshot? Well, as the lyric so poignantly put it, they're 'riding us all the way.' - UltraNurd, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Oh yeah. Most RPers are certifiable :oD.
- Amaruca, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1There's no replacement for Radio Paradise, XM and Sirius are pathetic in comparison.
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