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- twitchr, on 10/12/2007, -6/+74sounds like MPAA propaganda to me...
nobody i know has ever been ripped off from using a russian download site.
scare tactics? - billmania, on 10/12/2007, -4/+69allofmp3.com is not mentioned in the article.
I've bought tons of music from them and had no problems. - Quarks, on 10/12/2007, -1/+56Just what I was thinking, more RIAA (the MPAA has nothing to do with it, we're talking music here) propaganda for the masses against us 'downloading terrorists'.
Those sites make use of a hole in Russian copyright laws, so it's perfectly legal there. - harshbarj, on 10/12/2007, -2/+48I've used them for years and know of many who do and have never had problems. Just scare tactics by the RIAA.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -9/+52RIAA LIES AGAIN.
- punchingjudy, on 10/12/2007, -15/+47Golly! Didn't see this one coming!
- loker269, on 10/12/2007, -0/+32I use a "fake" credit card number for my online purchases (basically the bank will issue me a temporary credit card number that will work for one purchase and withdawals from my card) they are supposed to call if anyone tries to bill again on that card to let me know it was blocked but to be careful making transactions with them in the future.....no such call from the bank and its been months since I used allofmp3 so I am confident they are legitimate...
- Lewisham, on 10/12/2007, -1/+30This is complete FUD!
1. AllOfMP3 have been nothing but great to pretty much everyone, but they used what appears to be an AllOfMP3 screenshot for their pretty picture.
2. The article calls the MP3s "illegal". This is just not true. The MP3s are legal in Russia, and you are allowed to buy them. The "importation" (ie. the movement of the "product" from Russia to wherever you live) of them into countries is a grey area (at least for the US), which is yet to be tested in court by the RIAA. I do not know of any attempt by them to bring a case against someone for using external MP3 download sites either.
3. Following from point 2...
"Side-Line contacted several credit card companies on the issue but none were willing to comment officially on this case. One contactperson added off the record that they were "currently looking into it but that customers should not expect to see a refund as stealing is never refunded"."
This can be nothing but completely fictional. If we assume these sites aren't illegal, credit card companies will refund stolen money.
The RIAA wrote this. - Mittop, on 10/12/2007, -3/+30This just demonstrates another valid reason for using those nice "gift certificate credit cards" for your online purchases. You pay cash for the card, in small amounts, and you can't really get robbed for much.
- brucebeh, on 10/12/2007, -1/+25also a good point.. allofmp3.com wasn't mentioned.. however, the screenshot they took was from allofmp3.......
- TKDWILSON, on 10/12/2007, -1/+20"""" Tell me there it is a crime to be a big company in this country.""""
No but I have a problem with them
1. Hiring illegals.
2. Lowering their prices and taking a Loss to run others out of business. (monopoly laws here.)
3. After running other jobs out of a city, not providing health care to their workers.
4. Buying from sweatshops.
5. PLUS tons of other underhanded things they do.
Eric Wilson - alexguyCA, on 10/12/2007, -1/+20I'd like to chime in and say, no problem with allofmp3.com either. Also, I don't think I am doing anything illegal. It looks like a legitimate online store to me!
- dkordik, on 10/12/2007, -0/+18I can't speak for the others, but as far as AllOfMP3 is concerned, anyone who has ever used it knows their payment method wouldn't allow for this. You pay through a third party called Xrost by buying fixed amounts and adding them to your account.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+17Yeah, this sounds like ***** to me. I have used mp3search.ru and musicmp3.ru and allofmp3.com to the tune of about $600 and I have never encountered any problems whatsoever.
- dognose, on 10/12/2007, -0/+16I signed up w/ allofmp3.com about a year ago.. nothing wrong w/ my cc since.
- drumt, on 10/12/2007, -0/+16I've been using allofmp3.com for about two months...no prob.
- misterpurple, on 10/12/2007, -0/+15I agree: FUD. No sources a cited, no quotes. Just rhetoric.
- Wamzlee, on 10/12/2007, -1/+16So far so good with allofmp3 for me. I have been using it for a year, and still on the same $15 i put in.
- rizzo011, on 10/12/2007, -3/+17RIAA FUD. Callin ***** on this one.
- Jugalator, on 10/12/2007, -0/+13Yeah, allofmp3 looks trustworthy and has been in the business for a long time without a single scandal like this unveiled. There's been nothing strange going on here either. However, I do use a "temporary credit card number" that my bank freely offers via a software tool. :) I can generate however many I want, set the limit, and the expiry date within 5 minutes. And then get a valid credit card number instantly.
- zakharm, on 10/12/2007, -1/+14same here, no problems. i use paypal for all my transactions with them.
- buck09, on 10/12/2007, -0/+11As far as I know, what allofmp3 does in Russia is completely legal, albeit through a loophole in their current copyright law. Before I signed up (with gift card visa) I did a lot of digging to find out if the site was legal or not.
Here's a summary: http://www.museekster.com/allofmp3faq.htm
The Russian equivalent of the attorney general has stated that they don't believe the law is being broken either. Importing MP3 files (or vodka, jellybeans or laptops) purchased in a foreign country is completely legal. You are abiding by the laws at the place of purchase (Russia) and are not violating any US import laws.
There was a time when transmitting crypto over 56 bits was illegal under import export laws, so there is a precedent for this in American law as well, dealing with digital transmissions over the internet.
That's not to say the RIAA doesn't like it, but they aren't the ones who ultimately get to say what's legal and what's not. (If they had their way, 12 year olds would go to jail for taping songs off the radio...)
I think you're crying sour grapes because either 1. You spent way too much money on lesser quality files at iTunes or 2. You actually believe everything the RIAA tells you. - treymdnc, on 10/12/2007, -0/+11Cool thing about allofmp3.com... even though the paypal option is not active, if youcontact the site's owner via email, he'll give you his paypal address and let you add money to your acct. that way.
- joeyjojo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+11"It looks like a legitimate online store to me!"
Well, that's exactly how scams work...they 'look' legitimate.
That said, I've uses allofmp3.com as well and found it just fine...no fraud.
It's international legality is somewhat murky, and depends a bit on who you ask, of course. - jofer, on 10/12/2007, -0/+10Actually some credit card companies offer a service that creates a temporary credit card number for online transactions. I know I can with my credit card, anyway... It's a good idea even on well known sites, imo.
edit: Just noticed someone else mentioned this further down, my apologies... - SweetsGreen, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9"your credit card company will most probably NOT cover the costs after fraud as the news about the abuse is spreading quickly"
Thats *****!!!!
You are not liable for fradulent charges...it does not matter if you were buying mp3's or a hooker.
I'm digging so people see what BS this is. - marcuso, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9Likewise, I've been using allofmp3.com for ages now - loads of transactions and no problems at all.
PS - Having cheap music *does* make me buy a lot more of it (I'm no longer afraid to experiment) - cleverboy, on 10/12/2007, -3/+11If you want to "stick it" to the RIAA, don't download their music *at all*. Whether on Limewire, Kazaa, AllMymp3 or iTunes or wherever. If you're purchasing the music, you're not "sticking" it to anyone. You're just making it clear to them how valuable their "property" is, and giving them more figures to calculate loss from illegal activity, as opposed to "our products suck and we should come up with better prices and no DRM". Send the right message. Don't keep sending the"wrong" one, and thinking you're making any difference other than getting yourself music to listen to. It makes no sense.
- n00854180t, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9AllOfMp3 haven't done this. Sounds like ***** to me. No digg.
- vampares, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9allofmp3.com uses xrost.com to transfer moneys. xrost accepts paypal for "100% protection against unauthorized payments sent from your account."
Russian sites aren't known for using cc payments for whatever reason. Regardless federal law limits customer liablity for fraudulant charges to $25 including debit card that use visa or mastercard system. Your credit card company can not hold you accountable for any charges you have not authorized. In the event of $1000 fraud charge, the card company will ask the charger for reasons why the charge was made and since there is no reason will perform a bill back or lose $1000 (well $975). There is a time limit in which you must report the fraud however. A blacklist may exist of merchants whom the credit card companys will deny, if possible, or investigate. - SlappyMc, on 10/12/2007, -5/+13dwight was wrong.
- Bluezdood, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7Same here, use Xrost gift card for allofmp3 purchases and you can still pay through PayPal. Never had a problem, and never will unless PayPal gets hacked, then everyone is screwed anyway. Allofmp3 still gets my business.
- aurrea, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8I've been using allofmp3 for almost 2 years and never had a prob. I pay through paypal though.
- munboy, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9Most of them, I know Allofmp3 does, accept PayPal. You would be stupid to give some russian site your raw credit card #.
- Mesach, on 10/12/2007, -9/+15Notice no mention of allofmp3.com though.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6I use allofmp3.
I recharge my balance with my Wells Fargo Checkcard.
Ive spent hundreds refilling my balance in this manner.
However, a few weeks ago I attempted to refill my balance, and recieved a rather cryptic, confusing error message. I tried the order again, and after it failed each time I gave up. Later that day, I was at a restaurant, and attempted to use the same check card - it didnt work. I got an 'Authorization Rejected' error. I thought it might be a fluke, so I went to an ATM at my bank and tried it. I got something to the effect of: 'Authorization Rejected.... Please contact a banker asap, etc'. So, I made an appointment with a banker, told him my story, and he was stumped, so he called the Wells Fargo banker support (or whatever they call it) and explained my story to them. What they told him shocked us both: Apparently CronoPay (the company that allofmp3 uses for handling CC purchases) was BLACKLISTED by Wells Fargo because it has a history of accepting payments and making transactions with stolen credit cards! Because of this, my account was flagged and my assets frozen. It took a simple call to have everything working again, but this was the first time the banker had ever seen a company get blacklisted to the point of it triggering asset freezing for WellsFargo customers. He also stated that if I attempt to use it again, my account be frozen again. So, now I use ePasporte.com. With ePassporte you get a virtual CC# that you can use for buying stuff online, and you refill it with a real credit card. Its like a CC proxy. - brucebeh, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6yeah, i've also been using allofmp3 for 2 years now...
paid through paypal, never had a single problem.
the free $1 credit was cool too for them moving servers :) - donte, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8Been using them for about 2 years. No issues. Allofmp3 and mp3search both have been awesome and completely legit with CC usage. And if you're paranoid about it... just like truspector and munboy mentioned... paypal. Do not be deterred in the quest to stick it to the RIAA.
- BlitzPig_Sal, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5I'm sure there are Russian sites out there that will make fraudulent use of your CC, but the bigger sites, AllofMP3.com and others seem to be on theup-and-up. This article is just trying to spread FUD by insinuating that purchasing from any Russian site is dangerous.
- Jugalator, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5"If you're purchasing the music, you're not "sticking" it to anyone."
I'm pretty sure RIAA don't really get many dimes from the music from allofmp3.com ;-) It is however a way to avoid any sort of p2p spies, and I haven't heard of any ISP or RIAA actions taken due to them. - dennbruce, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5I also use Citibank's virtual card numbers, and have another credit card that offers a similar service. This enables me to not only create a limited use CC#, but also allows me to set a limit. It's not just Russian websites but the pricerightphoto's of the US you have to be careful of too.
- NickyBatts, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5So what?
Can you confirm it came from allofmp3.com?
Are we supposed to believe the story now because a digg user says "it happened to my little brother"? - buddylee415, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Actually, I believe this story. Recently, I made a new transaction with allofmp3.com. I have been a customer for over a year now. However, on this transaction, two days later, I had $170 taken from my account. Luckily my bank spotted it quickly and I got my money back. I originally did not think it was allofmp3 because I had done business before and not had any problems, but this story backs it up.
- rudolphdude, on 10/12/2007, -34/+39Please don't use Wal Mart as an example of a company that is "right". I would rather get raped by a russian fraudster than get hosed by my own "countrymen" at Wal *****.
- bede, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4I've also used allofmp3 for quite a while with no problems. If you think about it, why would they try to defraud their users? It seems to me they probably make a good amount of cash just doing what they do. If they got popular because of all the personal recommendations, then why would they risk their reputation?
- michaelbenson, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4I've been using www.allofmp3.com for a long while now, and have experienced nothing of the sort reported within this article. Like has already been mentioned this is probably another onslaught of propaganda from large media conglomerates trying to once again dominate all aspects of their promotion cycles (in-store and on-line). Thankfully though, the internet provides a much wider more global choice which these American companies need to accept and adapt accordingly.
- Lewisham, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4@buck09
Indeed, the import/export for digital transmissions are defined, but was only applied to a distinct case. The RIAAs problem is that you've bought a legal MP3 in it's country of purchase. MP3s are also legal in the United States, and there is no embargo on their importation. The RIAA are trying to find a way of saying the MP3 by its virtue of coming into the country, becomes illegal because it's method of sale is illegal in the US.
IANAL, so I don't know the ins and outs of it all. I don't think it's ever really come up before, I can't think of a product that you can buy that is legal to buy in the country of purchase, legal to own in the USA but is then illegal because of its means of creation. Cue 800 replies with something glaringly obvious that fits this bill :)
What I am sure of is that if there was such a law, the RIAA would have thrown the book at someone with it by now. - PokySharpy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4For at least 2 layers of protection that I trust...
credit card -> PayPal -> XROST gift card code -> allofmp3.com
And I believe you automatically get a 10% bonus credit when you use an XROST code on allofmp3, so your $20 becomes $22. Over the holidays, allofmp3 were also giving out something like 10-15% bonus to EVERYONE. $20 turned into $25 for free.
I love that site. And I love the import laws that allow it to be legal for now. - MrC539, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5Not sure many people caught that one.
- brundlefly76, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4This story was written by or for RIAA.
People - successful credit card merchants committing credit card fraud on their own users is nonsensical. Visa Intl will permanently put the kabosh on any merchant who is linked to fraud, and does so regularly. A multi-million $ website like allofmp3.com has no benefit in nickle and diming enough of their users to not get shut down (or have their processing and chargeback fees go into the stratosphere). I am an intl online Visa merchant, so I am very familiar with this.
The fact that this story uncategorically declares allofmp3.com 'illegal' while the Russian government has declared it 'legal' and usage of the site by US citizens has not been prosecutable by RIAA is evidence the article has an agenda. -
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