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- inactive, on 03/03/2008, -2/+13You know how sometimes you're trying to do something that's really hard? Like open a bottle of pickles, for example. You can feel it loosening, but you still have to push so bloody hard.
That's what the antiDRM movement feels like. - johndi, on 03/03/2008, -0/+10I think they actually saw the light. “Our feeling is that D.R.M. is not actually doing anything to prevent piracy,” said Ms. McIntosh of Random House Audio. DRM does do one thing well, it pisses customers off.
- Firehed, on 03/03/2008, -1/+8I really hope Audible takes this route. While what they have is tolerable, it's still DRM.
- FredFredrickson, on 03/03/2008, -0/+5"Easy to crack" doesn't make it user friendly. Especially with the average consumer. Why should we have to crack something in the first place though? I didn't need to crack anything to loan a book I own to a friend before, for example.
- octophobic, on 03/03/2008, -0/+4Now they should do the same for eBooks. I'd like to be able to download them from my public library. (Even if there is a small convenience fee.)
- inactive, on 03/03/2008, -0/+4DRM is not tolerable.
- johndi, on 03/03/2008, -0/+4Since when did DRM stop pirating? If anything some hackers see it as a challenge and end up cracking things they wouldn't have noticed without DRM.
- zengonzo, on 03/03/2008, -0/+4Well, I think that's precisely the point. These measures only hurt legitimate users, and are a minor inconvenience to anyone actually pirating.
- vornan19, on 03/03/2008, -1/+4I watched a interview of Jonathan Coulton (he wrote and sang that Code Monkey song) and when asked why he gave everyone a choice on paying or downloading for free his Thing A Week stuff he said that he thought piracy was less of a problem than obscurity. And you know what? It's working for him.
check him out at http://jonathancoulton.com - shiftless, on 03/03/2008, -0/+3DRM is just another annoyance. People that use audiobooks literally do not have the time to deal with all of the BS DRM.
DRM needs to go. Nobody has time to deal with it. Those that do have the time, crack it properly then redistribute DRM free copies online. Things were so much better before DRM. I have a hard time convincing myself to buy anything that uses it. - freedomwv, on 03/03/2008, -0/+3Good Point. I have always felt books should be easy to get for anyone who want to read one. Hell, even for those who can`t read or are blind easy access to audio books is even better.
- inajeep, on 03/03/2008, -0/+3Your both right and wrong. It's not just one problem it's many different problems. Some people, the ones with a conscience and understand that it's stealing want it a bit more realistically priced while others will steal it even if it's practically free.
- fkr3, on 03/03/2008, -5/+7The problem is trust. The move for DRM-free media relies on the users being and staying trustworthy and abiding by the license the material has. Hopefully people won't abuse DRM-free material and it becomes just a piece of computing history.
- fryguy1013, on 03/03/2008, -0/+2Their files do NOT play on just about any device I want, I am forced to "break" the drm in order to use them in the manner I wish to. By break I mean burn them to a virtual cd, and rip it. It's so incredibly easy to break the DRM, that it's impossible for it to stop piracy, so your second argument is moot.
DRM is not tolerable. - wayne247, on 03/03/2008, -0/+2tags: suddenoutbreakofcommonsense
- gypsi, on 03/03/2008, -1/+3DRM only slows down and pisses off actual consumers, punishing people for buying
- Niightwitch, on 03/03/2008, -1/+3I disagree....the problem is not affordability. I think people just like getting their stuff for free, and no matter how cheap you make it, they'll go the free route if it's an option. People just don't want to pay, if they can get away with it.
- KenRay, on 03/03/2008, -0/+1You nailed it!
- camino262, on 03/03/2008, -0/+1I hope sales boom after they remove DRM. This may have some influence on the RIAA's stance on DRM (but I doubt it - they are very hard headed)
- Po0py, on 03/03/2008, -0/+1Usually, when I am finished reading a physical book, and I like it, I often give it to a friend whom I think might also like it. For example, I gave a copy of Murakami's The Wind Up Bird Chronicle to a friend about a year ago as an introduction to his work. My friend now owns every single Murakami book published in the UK. There is no reason why you shouldn't be able to do the same thing with an audiobook.
- inactive, on 03/03/2008, -2/+3Who cares? All DRM measures are relatively easy to crack. "Intellectual property" (audio, video and software) is nothing but a very long number, and people will always find a way to get it for free no matter what you do.
At least these guys knew when to give up (a bit too late if you ask me). - fnv2001, on 03/03/2008, -0/+1
Don't Restrict Me. - hansonc, on 03/03/2008, -0/+1what device don't they play on?
- Beylan, on 03/04/2008, -0/+1I've always wondered how much of the fight for DRM is coming from actual piracy fears, and how much is coming from an attempt to resell you a product you already paid for. The music industry has made big money every decade from transitioning formats. From LP to 8 track to cassette to compact disc. Every time they come out with a new format we have to go out and rebuy our libraries. Book publishers haven't had this 'side benefit' of being a media company because books have been a stable format for centuries.
With (non-DRM) MP3 there is an open, easily converted format that should be simple to change to whatever format comes along in the future. Buy once and keep forever. It almost seems like piracy is a side issue. Maybe the publishing industry has been jealous of the music industry's ability to print money by coming out with a new format and want to be able to pull this trick too. Not to mention people buying additional copies of their music and movies because the tape wore out or the disc got scratched. None of this is an issue with open digital formats. - shark72, on 03/03/2008, -0/+1I hope you're right, too -- but looking at the comments before yours, many people are seeing this as an easier way to get books for free. The correct response to a vendor going DRM-free should be "hooray, now I can better exercise my legal fair use rights," and not "hooray, now they're easier to share." But, some diggers have not gotten the memo.
- AndreiOttawa, on 03/03/2008, -0/+1Well, I couldn't play it in my car's MP3 player. I had to find a program to convert Audible format to MP3.
- cjschmidt, on 03/03/2008, -0/+1Big Finish just started selling downloadable mp3s of their Doctor Who audio plays. Let's hope audible sees the light soon.
- soniyashrma, on 03/05/2008, -0/+1DRM only slows down and pisses off actual consumers,
- jakatak, on 03/03/2008, -1/+2The problem is not protecting music, movies, and books. The problem is making it affordable. I have said this since the beginning of Napster. If a music CD costs $5 to download, then why steal. What angers people is when we pay as much for a download as we do for the store bought version with the booklet, jewel case, etc. As long as the entertainment industry is going to be greedy, people are going to steel.
- cianuro, on 04/24/2008, -0/+1Audio books gone DRM free listed at Audio book Blogger http://www.audiobookblogger.com/
- donna1234, on 07/04/2008, -0/+1Dropping copying restrictions could also allow a variety of online retailers to start to sell audio book downloads.
http://www.e-uuu.com - Beylan, on 03/04/2008, -0/+1That dude is awesome. He also wrote the 'Still Alive' song for the end credits of Portal.
- inactive, on 03/07/2008, -0/+1Most of my audio book needs i find on seeqpod
http://seeqpod.com/search - mattb5, on 03/03/2008, -0/+1Audible won't play on my flippin' Zune! I loved Audible until I started playing around with the Zune.
- Beylan, on 03/04/2008, -0/+1Wont play on my Sansa either.
- veloscaper, on 03/03/2008, -0/+1Ask Amazon. Audible just sold themselves for cheap to Amazon. Stockholders can't even vote on it. You either tender your shares or you don't.
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- mattb5, on 03/03/2008, -1/+2Good point. That is inherently built into physical books. If they just came out today they'd quash that *****. This scenario needs to be made clear to these people.
- inajeep, on 03/03/2008, -1/+1I hope your not betting on your hope.
- fkr3, on 03/04/2008, -1/+1Books here in Costa Rica are quite expensive relative to incomes. I pay $15 - $20 for a paperback which is fine for me but for a Costa Rican making $400 - $800 a month (and most on the low end of that range) it's a day's work.
- inactive, on 03/03/2008, -3/+3Sounds like a good way to advertise to me.
- mattb5, on 03/03/2008, -2/+2I've got to admit, free is great. But it's a pain in the ass. I bought a *****-ton of music from AllOfMp3.com in the day. It was 1) in the format I wanted 2) a reasonable price. I agree wholeheartedly that it really sucks that a download costs as much as a physical CD. Where is the extra money for distribution, delivery, storage, etc going? Haven't they read The Long Tail yet? I downloaded it from bittorrent. Great book!
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http://www.chasr.org/ - thebigbradwolf, on 03/04/2008, -1/+0Here's my deal. I have a laptop. It doesn't have a CD drive (or optical drive of any kind) 4 GB harddrive 900Mhz, 2ghz proc. Should I buy a CD I can't copy or use. Use bloated download-programs (itunes) to get it legally in digital form? Also, if I own a copy of a movie, why can't I play it? If you have to buy it and then download it, or rip it anyway then why bother buying it? I do not pirate, I do decrypt/copy my own DVDs. It doesn't need to be a pain, thank you.
I don't buy DVDs/CDs with copy protection. I simply can't use them or it turns into more hassle than it's worth. Except 24, because...well it's special. Of course I'm not usually buying new releases at USD$20-30, I'm picking up bargin bin stuff that's pretty good for USD$3.50-5.50. - hansonc, on 03/03/2008, -5/+3here's my favorite part of the description "and conceivably share them with others". In other words "get rid of DRM so I can pirate more stuff easier." Until people's attitudes get away from this "I shouldn't have to pay for anything" garbage DRM will stick around. Audible's DRM is fine with me as it is. I can play anywhere I want on just about any device made but if they leaked out on the internet you couldn't play them. Nothing wrong with that.
- zengonzo, on 03/03/2008, -3/+1You're saying you want DRM-free material to be a piece of computing history? As opposed to the future?
I want to make sure I'm understanding you correctly .. - Diabolos, on 03/03/2008, -5/+2Well I guess this is good for the people who can't afford books....
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