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- blankoboy, on 09/07/2008, -22/+74Sorry but Metallica can suck my virtual *****. They (particularly LARS) were the RIAA posterboy backers (remember:
"Money good! Napster bad!" and Lars saying that every ***** who downloads their music should be in jail.). Now that the shoes on the other foot with their popularity in decline, they are trying to go the route of "you internet users are so cool and talented it tickles my rick soul pink".
Well, Lars and the rest of Metallica....go ***** yourselves with a lightning rod....ride that lightning *****. You already ***** on your own parade and tried to ***** many of your fans by sicking the RIAA on us all. You were a big part of getting the RIAA engines rolling to begin with. I can never forgive nor forget. You will not get one red cent from my pocket ever again. - OwlFlavored, on 09/07/2008, -15/+60I'm going to take the other side of this argument again...
Metallica lost a lot of face in their anti-Napster days, and tech aficionados have never forgotten that. But at the same time, Metallica wasn't ONLY being selfish, asking for more millions on top of the millions they already had to pay off their great grandchildren's college educations. They were also giving a voice to musicians who were new, unknown, and seemingly had no potential to make a living off of the fruits of their labor. Of course, tech guys like us know that there are other ways to make money with music, but do you think a bunch of beer-swilling guys who are constantly on tour are aware of this? They saw it as the coming apocalypse, saw it as stealing, stood up for their rights as copyright holders and, as they probably saw it, gave a voice to the copyright holders not famous enough to get a voice in the matter. As a musician, I am torn on this.
NIN is a good example of this. Trent Reznor is famous on Digg for giving away his latest album "The Slip", free downloads of the first 9/36 tracks on "Ghosts" and free downloads of Saul William's record that he produced. Of course tech guys eat this up, saying that this is proof that musicians don't need to get paid for their music to make a living. But if you read interviews with Trent, he has been consistent:
"As an artist, I don't feel that it should be free; it's my life's work," he said. "Record labels trained [fans] to mistrust them and feel ripped off by them, and now the technology exists that you can just take stuff. I understand why people feel it's OK, and I say, 'I can't fight that fight.' I look at the way the cards have been dealt and make the most of it. There is also another side of me that wants the world to hear the music, whether you've paid for it or not, I want you to hear it. And people are hearing it."
Trent is complaining a little about the state of free music, and that is coming from the voice of someone who has such an established fan base from nearly two decades of mainstream record label attention that any merch he wants to sell will make him lots of money. But honestly, what about those who are starting out? Record companies are dying, and clinging more and more to things they KNOW will make money, the artists that will make singles that are hits, end their careers there, and fade away. Most serious new acts who want to make a career are out of luck if they don't find entrepreneurial ways to find some cash in what they do, and most creative types are so consumed with their work that they don't have time to think about the business of it- and, ideally, shouldn't have to, if they're worth a damn.
As a tech guy, I hate paying for stuff I don't have to pay for, and I know SOME of you pay for stuff after you download it to check it out. But honestly, if you were musicians as Trent and Metallica are, you would see that there is another side to this argument. I'm not saying that Metallica is right, because anyone who opposes new technology is being ignorant of impending change, but I just wanted to point out that there is another side to this argument that, if it were your career, you might be more concerned about. - Genecalypse, on 09/07/2008, -27/+71I dont even want to read the article, Metallica sold their soul and now they can go blow me
- SIRBERUS, on 09/07/2008, -20/+62Dear Metallica,
I used to listen to you back when you stood for something. Back when you used to tell people to bring recorders to your shows and share your music because music was about freedom. Back before you sold out and preyed on your loyal fans.
It saddens me that you have chosen to think of us all as forgetful fools... fools that won't notice your sudden snap to reality that you can't keep bullying the people you rely on for your fancy clothes and nipple jewelry.
Good bye and good riddens, Metallica. - peestandingup, on 09/07/2008, -23/+59Metallica: Master of Fail?
- waydee, on 09/07/2008, -17/+48***** off Metallica, just because Lars bought a dell and realised being a greedy ***** hasn't won them any fans doesn't mean you can get your PR teams to select a few covers on youtube in an attempt to claw back some credibility and respect. Your music has been ***** for a long ***** time, you lost your way and the kids aren't interested anymore.
Have some dignity and die a quiet death, we'll enjoy your good past works but have little respect for what you turned into. - inactive, on 09/07/2008, -26/+56***** Metallica
- VinnieDaMac, on 09/07/2008, -17/+45If I diss on Metallica, will I be cool too?
- wallclimber, on 09/06/2008, -19/+46Lars who? Isn't he the guy that Al Yankovic sings about in "Don't Download This Song"?
- AndrewDB, on 09/07/2008, -14/+40I keep thinking that Metallica keeps trying to win its fans back after the disaster that was St. Anger. First they say they're okay with the album leaking early, now they're featuring their favorite fan made covers. It all adds up to a plea to get fans back.
- chickengearge, on 09/07/2008, -21/+46HUR DUR DUR DUR LETS EMBRACE THE INTERNET
- rubixqube, on 09/07/2008, -9/+28***** the RIAA!
Wait, what? - peestandingup, on 09/07/2008, -1/+19Well said. Why dont they just apologize instead of tip toeing around the issue & pretending everything is cool?? It's actually very insulting.
I mean, I'd personally still say ***** em, but at least it would be a step in the right direction. You'd be surprised how far a sincere apology can go. - belebih, on 09/07/2008, -2/+16Already pre-ordered a copy of Death Magnetic. I downloaded the leaked album and am really enjoying it. Sounds great. But then again, I let myself just enjoy the music on its own merits without taking ***** personally. Too many folks act like Lars broke into their houses and killed their puppies or something.
The way I see, Metallica ***** up with the Internet and experiments with music so people hate them for being ignorant and "selling out". Now they embrace the Internet and start playing thrash again and people hate them for being "late" on the Internet (lolwut?) and trying to emulate their first few albums. So in the end, no matter how good the album is, some folks will always struggle to find something to bitch about.
That's why I prefer a simpler approach: listen to it if I like it, and just ignore it if I don't. Wow, what a novel concept huh?
And yeah yeah, "Dur dur! He likes the new Metallica! Sellout! Bury! Dur Dur!" Have at it. - JigoroKano, on 09/07/2008, -8/+18I would have just downloaded their new album for free or maybe even passed it up... but all these faggy comments are so annoying that I'm going to buy it.
That's how much I hate all of you and your sand encrusted vaginas. - iCoty, on 09/07/2008, -12/+22Metallica is the antithesis of anti-establishment. You ***** your fans over once. Shame on you. Now go back to your little RIAA hole and stay there.
- xVern, on 09/07/2008, -8/+18yes
- inactive, on 09/07/2008, -5/+14Maybe if you idiots actually listened to the new album you would notice that the album is their best since ...And Justice for All.
- OwlFlavored, on 09/07/2008, -1/+9Yeah... I figured it was probably okay to quote myself as long as it was still relevant to the article. This is one piece of "comment etiquette" that I don't THINK there are set rules on...
- enantiodromia, on 09/07/2008, -10/+18too little, too late, too bad
- QuimbyDogg, on 09/07/2008, -0/+7This is exactly how I feel about it. I was a huge metallica fan back when Lars did his big anti-napster kick and ended up getting a lot of crap from my friends about it. The truth is I generally like all of their albums, regardless of what people say about them or what the band is actually doing in the real world. I know St. Anger specifically gets cited as being terrible but I liked it. I like a larger variety of music though and was not looking specifically for their old 80s sound when that album was released. The same thing with the S&M album.
Music is music and you either like it or you don't -- what the band does has no barring on the sound the record and but on an album. I haven't heard their new album yet but I am sure looking forward to giving it a try.
It sucks that they pushed the RIAA so hard to begin with but I think it really says something that they are coming around. While I may disagree with actions of them, and many other artists I enjoy, I sure won't let it take away from the music itself. - 1807, on 09/07/2008, -3/+10I just want to say that Kirk Hammet is one of the best guitarists out there and he's one of my guitar idols.
- techmaster, on 09/07/2008, -4/+10***** Metallica.
- musicbear, on 09/07/2008, -1/+7Bubba9999 is right. Metallica's entire mantra coming up was, 'we are doing this for ourselves as artists, if you like it, come along, if you don't, ***** off we don't care'. It was always about them and 'never say die, never say compromise, everyone else can ***** off.' Their entire drive was to be huge and rich and to be able to work as "artists" as their vocation on their own terms. Nothing wrong with, in fact it was kind of inspiring. It's just hard to find that spirit watching Lars, in the middle of his band imploding, sell off artwork he no longer wants for hundreds of millions of dollars at auction while getting drunk on champagne. I have no hate for them, but I think that now that they have won, they should let it go. They aren't the same guys from 1983 and should stop pretending to be them. I would guess that they probably would be much happier exploring newer forms of music with other (more talented) musicians instead of being faced with the same set of music every night. Can you imagine being James and having to sing One or The Unforgiven every ***** night... gah! How about a nice swingin' blues toon or something fun for once...
- icndvl, on 09/07/2008, -7/+13Metallica is essentially trying to apologize to their fans, although not quite.
- zosoIV, on 09/07/2008, -3/+9Regardless of what they stood for, I still downloaded their music, and I enjoyed it.
YOU can go ***** yourself. - Genecalypse, on 09/07/2008, -1/+7hahaha "lars bought a dell"
- jedinate, on 09/07/2008, -1/+6It seems the prevailing opinion is they are just doing this to win back fans. Considering they sell out every concert they play (where the real money is made) I'm sure they are not hurting for fans. Having said that, they are in a lose-lose situation here; if they embrace the net, they are "late to the party" or some other BS and if they don't embrace the net, they are dinosaurs who don't get it.
I've been following everything they have been doing with the release of this new CD (giving away 3 songs, streaming 6 and fly on the wall vids from the studio) and like Metallica or not, I Have never in 35 years seen a band give so much info/media on the recording of a new album. - Tyorant, on 09/07/2008, -3/+8You posted this in another article...
But I still agree haha - SteveMTyler, on 09/07/2008, -0/+5I love how long the internets memory is.
- keitarofujiwara, on 09/07/2008, -0/+4We really don't like/want them. They're history! They ***** up big time dude, and some small marketing initiative is not going to bring them back!?
Whoever wants to listen to them, may... but not me. If I hear their music I'm gonna visualize their faces and remember their attitude about sharing, and I will remember the names they called us (grrrrr). I am NOT going to enjoy their music again, because they have stained it with betrayal! - snareguy17, on 09/07/2008, -7/+11Just put a ton of Apocalyptica on there and it'll be fine.
- denser, on 09/07/2008, -4/+8Still have a soft corner for Metallica...not all grown ups could have understood the power of internets
- adarkmethod, on 09/07/2008, -11/+14glad I'm not the only one sick of gimmicks and *****. ***** these guys, I dont give a ***** if Kirk can carry the rest of these losers with his guitar playing, they ***** their fans over, and now they're trying to suck up because they realize they're not relevant anymore.
- victorc26, on 09/07/2008, -0/+3I feel the same way about Death Magnetic. Believe it or not, they are back. It sounds like their first 5 albums, but at the same time modern. Kirk hit the nail on the head with that statement.
I've never really hated them, just disillusioned. I mean, this is the band that created Master of Puppets for ***** sake. What they do in real life may suck, but they are still ***** Metallica.
Instead of trashing them, we should be rejoicing at the return of the gods of metal. - Genecalypse, on 09/07/2008, -3/+6hey you got a lil cum on your face
- CarnivalOfDust, on 09/07/2008, -4/+7Wait for it - they're pretending to want cover versions, but I heard they're meeting with Prince to decide fan-rape scenarios.
- drmangrum, on 09/07/2008, -1/+4The piano rendition of Nothing Else Matters was pretty sweet. It lacked the...power, I guess, of guitar, but it was still very good.
- Trobes12, on 09/07/2008, -0/+3I'm actually considering making another account just so I can dig you up again.
- inotocracy, on 09/07/2008, -4/+7Hes the guy who single handedly ruined internet music sharing.
- belebih, on 09/07/2008, -0/+2"That's why I can't go to a Metallica concert anymore. I don't want to sit through a two hour set of Bob Rock inspired crap to hear For Whom The Bell Tolls."
Yeah... except that they /don't/ play most of the Bob Rock-era stuff apart from maybe one to three songs from an 18 to 20 song set (usually the obligatory Sandman, Sad But True, and Nothing Else Matters). These days Creeping Death and Bells are usually the first two songs from the set. They even went so far as to play MoP in its entirety for its 20th anniversary in '06. Maybe if you had actually looked that up you would've caught a few really good shows. - Ratteler, on 09/09/2008, -0/+2I too thought the Digg crowd pretty tech savvy, but judging from the way you are ignoring the draconian lengths to which the RIAA/MPAA are influencing our government to spy on us I would think that re-obtaining our legal rights and not relying on staying ahead of tech game to get was essentially, a technical upgrade to RADIO!!!!
- victorc26, on 09/07/2008, -0/+2Exactly, every single Metallica concert I've gone to recently (ie this decade; Chicago) has had mostly songs from their first 5 albums. Only the occasional Reload songs were played (1 or 2 songs at most). You've been missing out on quite the epic shows dude.
The Ecstasy of Gold leading into Battery is ***** heart tuggingly epic. No words can describe it. - ottos13, on 09/08/2008, -0/+2when will people just get over it and listen to all the other good thrash bands. the 80s bay area thrash scene itself brought out metallica, testament, machinehead, anthrax... at least testament and machinehead are still bringing out good albums.
- sweetaskiwi, on 09/08/2008, -1/+3Metallica shouldn't be allowed to use the internet anymore.
- brawltimore, on 09/07/2008, -2/+4or when drunks get sober
- blackturtleus, on 09/07/2008, -2/+4Masters of YouTube? Sure, they currently show up on the top page in most categories, but rarely in the top ten in any!!! Fred (a kid who's only 14 or 15 years old) kicks their asses royally in the world of YouTube! On the other hand, it's about time that these neanderthals caught on to the advantages of using modern technology and so I guess that even old dogs can be taught new tricks given enough time and patience on the part of their handlers!!!
- web2pointblowme, on 09/07/2008, -5/+7The pirating issue aside, Metallica has sucked for quite some time. I grew up on their first four albums and played them so much I was splicing the reel back together with little pieces of scotch tape when the cassettes would snag and rip in my tape deck from all of the abuse. The Black album was a departure from the Metallica I grew up on but still a very good album.
However, anyone that tries to tell you that anything they've put out since Black (including Death Magnetic) even remotely resembles good music is delusional. All the "true fans" that get hysterical about any negative comment would probably buy a Metallica polka album and sing it's praises.
Look, I'm a "true fan" of AC/DC but I'm not going to tell you Razors Edge compares to Dirty Deeds. Those geezers should have hung it up a while ago or just toured playing the old *****. That's why I can't go to a Metallica concert anymore. I don't want to sit through a two hour set of Bob Rock inspired crap to hear For Whom The Bell Tolls.
Pantera carried the torch for metal at right about the time Metallica turned into a bunch of pussies. I've yet to hear a band since that gives me the same shivers down my spine quite like the outro from Ride The Lightning or when I crank the main riff from Cemetary Gates. Maybe I'm old or something but I just can't get into the cookie monster lyrics that are typical of modern metal bands so I cling to my old favorites. I guess there's a reason why Sabbath, Maiden, Priest, etc. can still tour and pack arenas.
I give Metallica an A for effort with Magnetic. It sounds like an attempt at metal but it is completely pedestrian. Maybe putting out pop-rock for 15+ years caused them to lose their touch. The songs are not cohesive. It's just one muddled riff after another with Kirk pumping the wah-wah pedal furiously to mask his complete loss of ability to write the kind of solo that inspires grimace faced air guitar playing when listened to at top volume. I've heard local unsigned bands that rocked me harder. Who knows, maybe it will grow on me. Then again, the very first time I heard the gallop of The Four Horsemen I knew it kicked ass. I didn't need a second taste to prove it to me.
As for the intellectual property issue, maybe Lars and Co. have seen the error of their ways and are trying to win back the masses by embracing the changing nature of the music business. I could care less. I'll download or not download regardless of what side of the bed that balding little Danish gets up on in the morning. If they want to win me back they need to put out a good album which they have yet to do in my opinion. If Magnetic was metal up my ass like the Metallica of the 80's I would buy one of their $150 concert tickets and a couple $40 T-shirts when I went to see them live. Then they would get my money. Till then I'd rather pay to see Rodrigo y Gabriella do Orion on acoustic guitars instead. Great show by the way. If they ever tour through your town, check em out. They do a great cover of One also.
Welcome to the future. There's no money in CD sales. It's all touring and merchandise. Record labels are trying to sign artists to contracts that share touring and merch (the only real revenue stream left) with the label but artists are starting to realize that the labels are useless to them now. If a band is good, they get their following from word of mouth via internet exposure not big music's publicity machine. New artists know that they can build a fan base giving their music away for free and make money when people come to their shows and buy their T-shirts. Back when the labels were running the show a new artists would hardly see any of the record sales anyway until they had a second or third successful album for which they renegotiated the contract terms. So why would they essentially give all the profits to a record label when they could get the same return (nothing) by giving it away for free and arguably getting their music out to a much larger audience that will buy a ticket and a T-shirt?
No life till leather, bitches! - PopcornDave, on 09/07/2008, -0/+2Like a Randy Savage outtake from a Slim Jim commercial?
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