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- Dereliction, on 09/04/2008, -41/+255Too little, too late. Lars and the rest of Metallica went on my black list a long time back.
- DCJoeDogaswell, on 09/04/2008, -10/+223Someone check the thermostat in Hell.
- inactive, on 09/04/2008, -26/+212They're welcoming leaked tracks because that's the only way they can get anybody to listen to their music anymore.
- zomgz, on 09/04/2008, -50/+227***** metallica
- peestandingup, on 09/05/2008, -13/+130"It's 2008 and it's part of how it is these days"
These days?? I think you're about 10 years too late there, Larsey. - Chaotix, on 09/04/2008, -34/+143lick my ballsack, Metallica. You have already lost all respect from me.
- OwlFlavored, on 09/05/2008, -4/+78I'm going to go ahead and post a comment that is bound to be unpopular. I don't expect positive diggs, but I feel the need to say it anyway.
Metallica lost a lot of face in their anti-Napster days, and tech aficionados have never forgotten that. But at the same time, Metallica wasn't ONLY being selfish, asking for more millions on top of the millions they already had to pay off their great grandchildren's college educations. They were also giving a voice to musicians who were new, unknown, and seemingly had no potential to make a living off of the fruits of their labor. Of course, tech guys like us know that there are other ways to make money with music, but do you think a bunch of beer-swilling guys who are constantly on tour are aware of this? They saw it as the coming apocalypse, saw it as stealing, stood up for their rights as copyright holders and, as they probably saw it, gave a voice to the copyright holders not famous enough to get a voice in the matter. As a musician, I am torn on this.
NIN is a good example of this. Trent Reznor is famous on Digg for giving away his latest album "The Slip", free downloads of the first 9/36 tracks on "Ghosts" and free downloads of Saul William's record that he produced. Of course tech guys eat this up, saying that this is proof that musicians don't need to get paid for their music to make a living. But if you read interviews with Trent, he has been consistent:
"As an artist, I don't feel that it should be free; it's my life's work," he said. "Record labels trained [fans] to mistrust them and feel ripped off by them, and now the technology exists that you can just take stuff. I understand why people feel it's OK, and I say, 'I can't fight that fight.' I look at the way the cards have been dealt and make the most of it. There is also another side of me that wants the world to hear the music, whether you've paid for it or not, I want you to hear it. And people are hearing it."
Trent is complaining a little about the state of free music, and that is coming from the voice of someone who has such an established fan base from nearly two decades of mainstream record label attention that any merch he wants to sell will make him lots of money. But honestly, what about those who are starting out? Record companies are dying, and clinging more and more to things they KNOW will make money, the artists that will make singles that are hits, end their careers there, and fade away. Most serious new acts who want to make a career are out of luck if they don't find entrepreneurial ways to find some cash in what they do, and most creative types are so consumed with their work that they don't have time to think about the business of it- and, ideally, shouldn't have to, if they're worth a damn.
As a tech guy, I hate paying for stuff I don't have to pay for, and I know SOME of you pay for stuff after you download it to check it out. But honestly, if you were musicians as Trent and Metallica are, you would see that there is another side to this argument. I'm not saying that Metallica is right, because anyone who opposes new technology is being ignorant of impending change, but I just wanted to point out that there is another side to this argument that, if it were your career, you might be more concerned about. - bigp3rm, on 09/05/2008, -31/+101***** Lars. Nuf said.
- futonrevolution, on 09/04/2008, -17/+81It appears that Lars has learned his lesson.
- Brad324, on 09/05/2008, -6/+64***** IKEA
- rubored, on 09/05/2008, -26/+81***** off Lars.
- inactive, on 09/04/2008, -27/+77tell you what, toss in a bag of weed and I might give your expired ***** a listen. weed first.
- EdmontonEh, on 09/04/2008, -7/+42Desperate times call for desperate backpedaling... I am not sure if he actually "learned" anything? Maybe, but I doubt it. All about the $$ my friend. IMO
- crgnetworks, on 09/05/2008, -17/+49***** THE IRAA
- ErickStevenson, on 09/05/2008, -8/+37Is this the same Lars from the napster years? I guess they aren't doing well in sales for him to let people get their stuff free. I listened to some of their old stuff, but I haven't had any interest with anything new they released. Even if it is free.
- zachimal, on 09/05/2008, -10/+37Better late than never. I understand people are upset but I'm glad they've come around.
- Topkill, on 09/05/2008, -7/+32Napster Good??
- inactive, on 09/05/2008, -3/+26The International Registry of Artists and Artwork?
- MetalliTooL, on 09/05/2008, -4/+22It's obvious that everyone who's digging me down hasn't heard the album. It's got some really ace tracks.
- zyklon, on 09/05/2008, -12/+29I'm willing to bet that only half of it can be tributed to the Napster ordeal. The other half was their horrible, horrible music, yeah?
- biotch, on 09/05/2008, -3/+20wait a minute...
You cant just gloss over the napster ordeal. They went against everything you just listed. That means they DID change. - andy787, on 09/05/2008, -18/+35I like how the Internet age seems to think artists do not deserve compensation for their work. It's like artists have to give their livelihood away before they're even deemed "worthy" to be listened to.
Can't wait to be burried! - tru7h, on 09/05/2008, -10/+26This looks more like one of the latest desperate attempts from a dying band to stay relevant than it does like a sincerely progressive outlook on the music business. In any case, I stopped caring about what Lars has to say about my downloading habits back when he started talking about them.
- Zera, on 09/05/2008, -3/+18Music tracks are a musician's marketing tool in the 21st century. Thanks to the web, we can now access ALL the music out there, and there is FAR more of it than time to listen to it, and therefore, any musician should be so lucky to be heard by anyone, anywhere.
Hearing a new musician's work is the first step towards becoming a fan, and fans buy things. They buy CD's, they buy music tracks on iTunes, they buy T-*****, and they buy TICKETS.
And more than that, becoming a fan of a musician means that you are more likely to recommend that to your friends, and a friend's recommendation is far more valuable marketing than money can buy. - MetalliTooL, on 09/05/2008, -32/+47Surprisingly, the new album kicks ass.
- ccalabro, on 09/05/2008, -2/+16Bought a lot of their albums over the years, but Lars cried like a little bitch over the whole p2p thing so much I think I might p2p this one for a listen.
- evilregis, on 09/05/2008, -2/+16Yeah, maybe he did. Maybe he didn't. Regardless, he's still a ***** *****.
- inactive, on 09/05/2008, -1/+15no worries lars, i just downloaded it.
- Azerael, on 09/05/2008, -3/+17Since when did artists make money from record sales anyway? It's not the artists from which we wish to deprive the profits; it's the record companies.
Musicians make about as much from their records by giving them out for free as they would going through some wankjob RIAA affiliate (see: Radiohead), but through torrents the *consumers* decide what is worth promoting; not the marketing departments of the corporations who control the artists. The artists will still make money from live performances etc.
It's all about the decentralization of the industry, putting the power back in the hands of the creators and the consumers, getting rid of the middle man and finally saving the human race from engineered crud like 'soulja boy', limp bizkit and the entire emo genre. - poppacherry, on 09/05/2008, -1/+14well said my good man. i just wish more people were open minded to this viewpoint.
- GoKings, on 09/05/2008, -3/+13Yeah... I used to like them... But slowly they began to fade to black... list...
- halfabean, on 09/05/2008, -4/+14I for one think it's great metallica joined the rest of us in 1998.
oh wait. - DownloadThis, on 09/05/2008, -8/+18Hey guys, we're still relevant! We're still hip guys, see, you can download our songs. Guys? :(
- inactive, on 09/05/2008, -4/+14They realized that pissing off their fan-base may put a serious dent in their concert ticket sales.
- zyklon, on 09/05/2008, -3/+12@Tripper44
Their music since 1990 has failed horribly. The second they stopped drinking and cut their hair is the second their music ran into the deadend. Now they're just spinning their tires, trying to keep the Hot Topic product lines. - ErickStevenson, on 09/05/2008, -3/+12Yah most likely it's his way of promoting the new album. I mean come on this guy is all about the money.
- cawpin, on 09/05/2008, -1/+10jeuhrn - You can't be serious. They made their name from people bootlegging their albums. Then, when they got to the top, bootlegging was no longer ok and they wanted to string up everybody that did it. THEY DID CHANGE and Lars was the main cause of it in my opinion.
- inactive, on 09/05/2008, -8/+16It is quite good actually, highly unexpected on my part. It's obviously not as awesome as their first 4 albums, but I enjoy just as much if not a little bit more than their self-titled album (The Black Album). Good to see that they brought back some thrash metal elements into their music.
- mr5150, on 09/05/2008, -10/+18A leopard change it's spots? Think not!...***** you Lars you lying two faced *****...i understand your new music goes down well with a side of ***** as an entree.
Bt the way so you happen to know...i lost my appreciation for Matellica when you ***** decided to get vocal about *****......now use a quarter and call someone who gives a ***** about your new album. - Elohir, on 09/05/2008, -6/+14I know! Frankly, if an artist tells us their music is great and we should buy it, then it must be, and we should. It's simple logic. Stupid pirates.
- crazycracker911, on 09/05/2008, -0/+8Same time, SAME TIME!!! I don't know you....
- ThomasHung, on 09/05/2008, -3/+11So I went on to my torrent site, which shall remain unnamed, and It's been online for quite some time. I look at the 105MB download, and you know what? Not worth it.
- ryan69969, on 09/05/2008, -1/+9Metallica is a unique situation. They have sued their record label more than once over the years in order to establish control over their creative works. They do not have the typical rip-off record deal that most artists get screwed with. Illegally download Britney Spears, you may get sued by the RIAA. Illegally download Metallica, you may get sued by Metallica.
Also, depending on the type of live show (arena, stadium, festival, etc.), the costs can just about outstrip any potential profits made. So, the idea that artists can make a ton of bank from live shows just isn't that simple. - ryan69969, on 09/05/2008, -7/+15I just think it's funny that the nay-sayers enjoyment of Metallica's music seems directly tied to Metallica's stance on downloading. i.e. "You suck Metallica because I can't download your music for free." If the cost of an artist's music determines the music's quality, then you could go down to the subway tunnel and lose yourself in eternal musical nirvana by sitting in front of the homeless person with the beat up acoustic guitar.
- Lunarsight, on 09/05/2008, -2/+10Navi - If somebody stabbed you in the back repeatedly over a ten year period, and then suddenly started acting all nicey-nice with you, what's your first thought?
Mine is ulterior motive.
In this case, it's a pretty obvious one. They're interested in those little green-toned, rectangular pieces of paper.
To me, this is a monetary decision - it's not a legit change of heart. (Behind the scenes, I'm sure Lars is the same whining b*tch that he's always been.) - Idietired, on 09/05/2008, -1/+9FIRE BAD! FIRE BAD!
- Idietired, on 09/05/2008, -1/+8Um ... I think the "you" Erik was referring to was Metallica, not "zomgz."
I mean, that might not be why people are burying him, but I had to read that twice to get his meaning.
You know ... a friendly heads-up or whatever. - Niubai, on 09/05/2008, -0/+7The best since the black album for sure. Probably better than the black album, I don't know yet. It's faster.
- Navicerts, on 09/05/2008, -3/+10I agree, but the masses will continue to be fickle and unforgiving.
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