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- ronjohnson, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I'm not digging it, I thought it had added copyright protection?
"The Fraunhofer Institute is also adding copyright protection. Dubbed Light Weight Digital Rights Management (LWDRM), when added to MP3 files it allows copying files, provided the user is willing to mark files with a digital signature—and register it. So when a file appears on Kazaa, the culprit could be swiftly found. Some will surely contend, though, that the whole appeal of MP3 files has been their flexibility—and lack of restrictions."
http://www.neowin.net/index.php?act=view&id=19606 - coolfrood, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2MP3 may be patent crippled, but it is still the most widely-used format. It would definitely be nice to have an omnipresent surround sound format, and avoid the format hell that the video formats have.
- uglyredhonda, on 10/12/2007, -0/+25.1 headphones? Last time I checked, I only had two ears.
- s3t3c.astr0, on 10/19/2007, -0/+2I prefer Dolby Headphone ( http://www.dolby.com/consumer/technology/headphone.html ) before a Fraunhofer MP3 with surround. Dolby Headphone does not require a specific compression technology but can be used with one. So it's a much better choice I must say.
Diggnation experimented with Dolby Headphone in this podcast (which is a mp3 but not Fraunhofer MP3 with surround; It's Dolby Headphone). You can find the Mp3 here: http://revision3.com/diggnation/2005-09-29/media
Dolby Headphone with eMagins EyeBud ( http://www.digg.com/apple/EyeBud_can_turn_video_iPod_into_big-screen_TV_for_one ) would make the video iPod even cooler. With eMagins 3Dvisior too ( http://www.3dvisor.com/ ). - definiteform, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Fraunhofer is ***** for mp3 encoding. Lame, --alt-preset standard.
- D4r7h3v1l, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1mp3s? LAME!
(that was a pun, for the slow) - beecheyj_14, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Hasn't Dolby already done this?
- s3t3c.astr0, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0okay, but It's still lame.
- Erukian, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0just use vorbis, i encode all my dvd rips in vorbis 5.1/x264
beats all the pirated stuff out there, except some xvid rips are really good.
-Joe - theone3, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Dolby Headphone is for headphones only. This is for 5.1 Setups.
- s3t3c.astr0, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Dolby Headphone is 5.1 in two channels (you only have two ears anyway).
Why not use Dolby's AC3? It's used on a lot of DVDs and is a part of the MPEG-4 Standard (AAC).
Mp3 is old and obsolete should be put to rest. - panic, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Is Lame planning on including something similar (or does it already, for that matter)? There was once upon a time when Fraunhoffers encoder was the best one around, but now-a-days that just isn't true. I would really like to see something like this in lame.
- trunkster, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Ogg/Vorbis already supports surround sound. Though I don't believe a mp3 player with ogg support will play it right. Even Winamp has problems with it.
- bigwang, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0But how would you would have to have a SACD/DVDA to rip the mp3s wouldn't you?
I suppose you could "fake" it, by duplicating the side channels and amplifying the center.
A plug-in for windows media player that fakes it really well is this :http://www.srs-store.com/store-plugins/mall/default.asp
I don't know how it works, but you turn it on and it knows where the sound is coming from and outputs a 2-channel input through one of six channels. When watching a regular stereo mp3ed divx movie you can also watch the 6-channel VU in the nvidia mixer and if something happens on the right side of the screen, the sound comes from the right. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Sure, but we now have cool open formats, like Ogg/Vorbis. I wonder if they are working on surround, though...
- adam.lindsay, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0This completely sucks. All it is, is mp3 compression applied to more then 2ch. Yeah, welcome to 3yrs ago when AAC did this. Yawn.
Dolby Headphone however is kickass, especially since you can pre-process it and make it truely work with everything today. - definiteform, on 10/12/2007, -0/+08ight, if you want the best sound to go along with that hardware, Lame 3.90.3 with Alt Preset Standard will give you transparent audio. :)
- tepster, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Mr. Fraunhofer has enough money now..lets give someone else a chance. :/
- Rirath, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I'll take my actual 5.1 headphones any day, for gaming and music. Music is fine with a DSP or plugin to upmix to a fake 5.1.
- kodek, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0How many people in here actually get this? What they do is simulate surround sound in 2 channels. There's no growth in file size, nor there is a need for 5.1 headphones. Just check out the Diggnation podcast with Dolby Headphone and you'll see what I mean.
- Rirath, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0You don't need "5.1 ears" to tell which direction sound is coming from. Front, back, left, and right are all much different than just "in your head". It's the difference between stereo and mono. Doom 3 is a completely different beast in surround.
One good thing about actual 5.1 headphone is the bass they can produce. My pair is a dirt cheap Kinyo at $30, and they're the best I've ever owned. The bass can shake the headphones on your head, if you set it right. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Who has 5.1 ears?
- clokwise, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I think you guys are missing the point about Dolby Headphone. If you ever heard it, you will discover it simulates the 5.1 experience using only a standard 2-speaker headphone. Not 100% perfectly, but it is pretty damn amazing! I'll stick to my 5.1 speaker setup anyday. But presumably you could play a 5.1 encoded mp3 using the Dolby Headphone codec and simulate the 5.1 experience when a 5.1 speaker setup is not available.
- freonchill, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0@ joelthelion
software is available free of charge "for personal and non-commercial purposes" - psyonide, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I'm intrigued by Dolby Headphone (the demo on Diggnation was really impressive). I'd like to know how I can use it myself.
- Cheeseness, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0That doesn't mean it isn't patent crippled (not that I bothered to see if it was)
As OpenDocument has started to demonstrate, completely open data formats are really the only sensible way to go (when dealing with multiple users).
If I talk Greek and somebody expects me to talk fluent Russian without being given a consise and totally transparent explaination of the language, then they're expecting the impossible.
So go OggVorbis. - doug_brit, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I'm deff a newb don't get me wrong but how is this different then ripping tracks from a CD with multiple channels? I mean every time I tried it sounded god awful the voice was in one speaker the guitar was in another it was basically mono for every instrument playing. Aren't Cd's only made with stereo in mind? or because there uncompressed is it possible to extract it properly with this new codec? When setting the AC3 filter to recognize I have a 5.1 setup is it simulating a stereo song in 5.1 or simply playing it in stereo. Any good article anybody could recommend?
Doug - mastercheif, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0This is great, There are no 5.1 music files avalable on computers period. This isnt for MP3 players, its so people on their computers and home sterios can listen to 5.1 msuic without having to buy a expensive SACD player or DVDA
- DonKon, on 09/02/2008, -0/+0i bought the sienhauser (sp?) headphones for my ipod, most comfortable and great sound i ever heard. If you want to download mp3's get them at musicfilesearch.com
- Guspaz, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0kbeast: Don't confuse Dolby Surround and Dobly Headphone.
Dolby Headphone is simply HRTF (making 5.1 audio played through stereo heaphones/speakers seem like 5.1 audio again). It requires a 5.1 source. My point is that Dolby's particular implementation of HRTF doesn't work very well; the rear channels don't seem particularly behind me. I've heard better HRTF implementations. - kbeast, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0everyone needs to read up a bit on Dolby Digital and Dolby Surround a bit--
Dolby Surround is two channel stereo which is then processed by something (ie: your sound card, your receiver, your headphones). Basically, all the surround information is inverted audio/out of phase audio-- thats how its generally processed and sent to the 'rear speakers'
Dolby Digital can contain up to 5.1 channels of DISCRETE audio.
7.1 DD is processed the same way as dolby surround, except the rear 2 channels, not the front two. - Guspaz, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Dolby Headphone really doesn't impress me. The demos don't have a very good feeling of sound being behind me. I've heard much better HRTF-based solutions.
Personally I prefer a good pair of real 5.1 headphones. Only problem is the last pair I bought (From LTB) are total crap, since any sound coming through the rear drivers is horrible distorted (A replacement model had the same problem, indicating a probably design flaw). - Guspaz, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Wow, they took MP3 and tacked on another 3 channels. Big deal. Nothing to see here, move along.
- funkytaco, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0They created mp3 encoding. Sounds like they're just trying to keep it alive now.
- gumpy5, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0This is incredibly old, I remember converting a concert i had on DVD to surround MP3 months ago when they had the trial software out.
- freeyayo50, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I would deff love mp3 surround. I often hook up my Ipod to my home theater system. I would love to take advantage of it.
- VelvetoneFusion, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0After the diggnation episode, i went on a Dolby headphone obsession for a few days and stumbled across a program called Sonic Cineplayer Surround
http://www.sonic.com/products/Consumer/CinePlayer/Surround/
It's your typical DVD player software (i.e. PowerDVD, WinDVD, ect.) except it has the option spit out the surround sound track in Dolby Headphone. Pretty neat for anyone interested in the technology.
Anyway, more on-topic, I really don't think this is going to catch on at all. Honestly how many things can you think of that you would imagine listening to in a surround MP3 format? almost anything that goes with surround sound has some video attached to it. - 8ight, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0definiteform,
whatever release groups are encoding at is what i'm getting. riaa, if you're watching... i own the commercial cds. - pHr34kY, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Okay, Fraunhofer released AAC ages ago, and it suports up to 48 channels of sound and boasts about 30% more compression than MP3. What's the point in releasing a surround MP3 format? It's only used on headphones these days anyway. The patents will see that it never takes off anyway, although AAC scored a lot or royalties when it became the DVD standard format.
I personally use Vorbis to encode multichannel for several good reasons. - joeljkp, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Yeah, this is old. It's also very patented, and very closed-source. LAME would have to reverse-engineer the thing from scratch.
- nireus, on 01/31/2009, -0/+0Hasn't Dolby already done this?
http://www.bonipon.com - Xopl, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I want 5.1 dolby digital mp3s!
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Fraunhofer is ***** for mp3 encoding.???
But, he invented it because his buddy Jerry Garcia asked him nicely. - Andreasvb, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0If someone wnat to try the Dolby Headphone you can do it with foobar2000 and a plugin called foo_dsp_dolbyhp (you also need a dll file from PowerDVD or similar)
It works really good. He may make a Winamp version too.
www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=39404
I mainly use these DSP plugins.
foo_dsp_dolbyhp
foo_dsp_delta
foo_dsp_bs2b (http://bs2b.sourceforge.net/)
foo_channel_mixer (for 6 channels)
Here's a link for the program you'll need: www.foobar2000.com - battybattybatt, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Been available on Winamp NSV5 and now 6 as 5.1 sound, 24 is a good example.
That's MP3. - nes1k, on 03/18/2009, -0/+0Ogg/Vorbis already supports surround sound. Though I don't believe a mp3 http://mp3b0x.com player with ogg support will play it right. Even Winamp has problems with it.
- psyonide, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I've read the dolby headphone page, but I haven't found the answers to my questions.
1. What do I need in order to use it?
2. How can I encode audio files that make use of the technology, like they did in the Diggnation episode linked above.
I'd really like to know. -
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