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Hip-Hop Artist Refuses To Stand Against The Pirate Bay
torrentfreak.com — A Swedish hip-hop artist who the IFPI used as leverage in their legal battle against The Pirate Bay, wants nothing to do with the case. Without consultation, the IFPI were claiming damages on his behalf from The Pirate Bay, even though they don’t even own the rights to his music.
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- MikeonTV, on 04/17/2008, -32/+154"A Swedish hip-hop artist" ....you can stop right there.
- Junel, on 04/17/2008, -5/+55Any artist who is standing up against the gestapo tactics of these organizations is a good start.
- culbeda, on 04/17/2008, -4/+3It's not much of a "good start" when the artist is IRRELEVANT!
- juicebag, on 04/17/2008, -1/+4Maybe irrelevant to you. Since when is the only music that matters the music that is popular and influential in your country?
- juicebag, on 04/17/2008, -0/+1dugg for words i dont understand
- culbeda, on 04/17/2008, -4/+3It's not much of a "good start" when the artist is IRRELEVANT!
- SuperVepr308, on 04/17/2008, -24/+6I'm with you. How "gangstah" can a Swede be? Maybe he's like "Snow" (remember the one-hit wonder's Informer)? Hee Hee that is funny.
- sparql, on 04/17/2008, -5/+21You do know that not all hip-hop is about being "gangstah" right?
- SuperVepr308, on 04/17/2008, -17/+6Well no, not really. I am a Slipknot/Pantera kind of guy so I really wouldn't know.
- Jesty, on 04/17/2008, -2/+25"Slipknot" ...you can stop right there.
- dortiis, on 04/17/2008, -4/+4Conformity called: Emo's in this week
- Sk8SkaNJ, on 04/17/2008, -5/+6Ugh,
Pantera = Perfect
Slipknot = Trash - artfiend77, on 04/17/2008, -5/+5Yet you deem it appropriate to make a comment nonetheless about something you don't know.
- whataboutdave, on 04/17/2008, -0/+4Not all blues music is composed by people who are feeling depressed. It just happens that some of the best is.
- SuperVepr308, on 04/17/2008, -2/+5How in the world do you call Slipknot/Pantera/Dry Kill Logic/etc EMO????? Have you ever listened to any of them?
- jmpeagle, on 04/17/2008, -0/+2i don't think you got his comment...he was saying you are a conformist and that today's conformists have recently switched to Emo
- SuperVepr308, on 04/17/2008, -1/+1OK, I am conformist. I am also a Chinese jet-pilot.
- WanderlustX2, on 04/17/2008, -0/+2When has Pantera ever been mainstream? Always nice to hear people like dortiis throw a jab without giving any reference to themselves.
- Patori, on 04/17/2008, -0/+1@ WanderlustX2, since Guitar Hero
- solid12345, on 04/17/2008, -1/+3You also know that all the "conscious rap" rap just plain sucks too right?
- SuperVepr308, on 04/17/2008, -2/+1Alright, I'll bite...What is "conscious rap"? Rapping while awake?
- marx2k, on 04/17/2008, -1/+1Im guessing he meant rap with lyrics conscious of the hip hop movement, community, etc..
I guess Talib Kweli, Tribe Called Quest, Common and others just plain suck.. oh well
- Wakuna, on 04/17/2008, -2/+2Don't you guys have some positive hardcore lyrics to write?
- SuperVepr308, on 04/17/2008, -17/+6Well no, not really. I am a Slipknot/Pantera kind of guy so I really wouldn't know.
- sparql, on 04/17/2008, -5/+21You do know that not all hip-hop is about being "gangstah" right?
- racco, on 04/17/2008, -7/+51most idiots would say the same about a Canadian Hip-Hop artist. if they did 'stop right there' they would miss some good Hip Hop
look around you. the world is bigger than America- whataboutdave, on 04/17/2008, -1/+10I was just about to agree with you until I realized I couldn't name a singe Canadian hip-hop act besides the Swollen Members.
- artfiend77, on 04/17/2008, -2/+6Stop listening to MTV and look elsewhere for your Hip Hop fix.
- whataboutdave, on 04/17/2008, -0/+1When were the Swollen Members last on MTV? I'm willing to bet never.
- Wakuna, on 04/17/2008, -1/+3Hell even Kardinal Offishall was on MTV back in the day.
But yeah, hip hop is the world's music, your missing out big time when you pass up foreign *****. - jabz, on 04/17/2008, -0/+2Swollen Members are Canadian?! didn`t know that. who else is from Canada...swollen members are good but is there a combo that`s better? :) would be nice to know.
- f4nt0m4s, on 04/17/2008, -1/+2check out Classified, The Chicharones, Buck 65, K'naan, Shad, Dragon Fli Empire, Sweatshop Union, Josh Martinez and Sleep. They're all canadian hip-hop artists and they're all pretty good.
- AceAMasta, on 04/17/2008, -1/+2Don't forget K-OS.
- Trogdor420, on 04/17/2008, -1/+1Check out Peanuts and Corn records for a number of Canadian hip hop artists like Pip Skid, Fermented Reptiles Mcenroe, Birdapres, John Smith, DJ Hunnicutt, Gruff the Druid, and Park Like Setting. Also, check out Cadence Weapon.
- bustachops, on 04/17/2008, -1/+1Cadence Weapon: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gecCt0F_6nM
- artfiend77, on 04/17/2008, -2/+6Stop listening to MTV and look elsewhere for your Hip Hop fix.
- Fingertips, on 04/17/2008, -13/+6you are right, the world is bigger than america. but you are wrong on the fact that it has anything better to offer.
- artfiend77, on 04/17/2008, -2/+10Hip Hop isn't dead, it's in a damn coma. We can thank people like K-OS, Immortal Techique, Aesop Rock and many others for keeping it alive.
- solid12345, on 04/17/2008, -6/+1Immortal Technique is alright, but all those other guys are backpack rap for suburban yuppies.
- staticneuron, on 04/17/2008, -2/+1We have lupe fiasco, common and rhymefest keeping the ranks up as well. I am sure there are more out there.
- Darrelc, on 04/17/2008, -3/+2Army Of The Pharoahs, Phi Life-Cypher, The Nextmen. Hip Hop ***** rocks.
- artfiend77, on 04/17/2008, -2/+1*****, that rap Mos Def pulled off at the end of an episode Dave Chapelle symbolizes what Hip Hop is man, IMO.
- ISellSigals, on 04/17/2008, -1/+2whats with all the hating on hip-hop?
- kingvik, on 04/17/2008, -0/+1Stat Quo has good songs when he isn't doing commercialized music. Example: http://youtube.com/watch?v=2g_-0fpaie4
- zephyr42, on 04/17/2008, -0/+2it's not in a coma, it's just in the underground, which surprisingly, is where I like my music.
- solid12345, on 04/17/2008, -9/+4"The world is bigger than America"
Yet the world is imitating American music. Why not do your own thing instead of trying to be the maple leaf Eminem?- artfiend77, on 04/17/2008, -3/+3Please define "American Music " for me. Thanks.
- solid12345, on 04/17/2008, -1/+4Let's see rap originated out of the American ghetto and has its roots in African-American parties and break dancing. It is uniquely American and any attempts to copy it usually fail.
My problem with Euro rap for example is they try to act hip and cool but they are still wearing wind jackets, backwards baseball caps and big pants, they are 15 years behind. - staticneuron, on 04/17/2008, -0/+1Blues, then from it apparently jazz, rock and roll, R&B and rap come from it. Also gospel and boogie woogie as well. Now.... i am speaking in terms of the music as it exists today because it is perfectly valid to pay homage to fusion techniques and more modern structures of music because it can be argued that the influences of music go back as far as nature itself.
- zeabu, on 04/18/2008, -0/+1Solid my dear boy. Most European rappers are immigrants, as they are in the US. Over there it are mostly blacks, here in Europe we have the best made by Marrocan, and Turkish, which actually I like more than that US-gangsta-rap-scene. Try 113, MBS, Freunde der Sonne, Busta Flex, Azad, Xavier Naidoo, Nefret, Eko Fresh. You would be surprised the level they have.
Or do you think 50cents is that high standard? "they are still wearing wind jackets, backwards baseball caps and big pants, they are 15 years behind." I don't see any of the groups I like doing that. Okay, maybe Busta Flex, but it's about music, lyrics, not about clothing.
- solid12345, on 04/17/2008, -1/+4Let's see rap originated out of the American ghetto and has its roots in African-American parties and break dancing. It is uniquely American and any attempts to copy it usually fail.
- danarama, on 04/17/2008, -3/+5and the usa imitates the world's music. it ain't a one a way street dude. your country is amazingly international and diverse. go to brooklyn.
- danarama, on 04/17/2008, -2/+1or toronto for that matter
- zeabu, on 04/18/2008, -0/+1Since when is Toronto part of the US?
- artfiend77, on 04/17/2008, -1/+0@ solid12345
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hip_hop
[...] Emceeing is the rhythmic spoken delivery of rhymes and wordplay, delivered over a beat or without accompaniment. Rapping is derived from the griots (folk poets) of West Africa, and Caribbean-style toasting.
- artfiend77, on 04/17/2008, -3/+3Please define "American Music " for me. Thanks.
- viper001, on 04/17/2008, -6/+0Yes, Canada has an amazing hip hop scene. Case in point:
Chuggo (the biggest rap star in Canada) - http://youtube.com/watch?v=ZPeHk4WMWpY- bustachops, on 04/17/2008, -0/+2what a horrible example of quality hip hop in canada
- Sinudeity, on 04/17/2008, -3/+3Nay. Your Pfffft, American hip-hop has nothing on South African Kwaito.
The world is bigger than just the Amerika's.- Heiminator, on 04/17/2008, -2/+2youre absolutely right,european hiphop, especially french hiphop is way better than all the american mainstream *****,even though french is not my mother tongue (neither is english),i think its way mor esuitable for hiphop,it flows better than english
- MikeonTV, on 04/17/2008, -8/+1Your a retard. Canada has magnificent Hip Hop. Tell me one European Rapper other than Slick Rick!
- sparql, on 04/17/2008, -0/+2Dizzee Rascal
The WIld Bunch / Massive Attack /Tricky
Stereo MCs
MC Solaar
I'm not vouching for quality, but those are the ones that immediately popped into my head. I'm sure I could come up with more. - jabz, on 04/17/2008, -0/+2Looptroop
RJD2
Seeed
Doujah Raze
IAM
...just to add a few. :) - WiretapStudios, on 04/17/2008, -1/+1Uhhhhh Looptroop is Swedish, and RJD2 is American...
- zeabu, on 04/18/2008, -0/+2Sweden is Europe.
- tuz100, on 04/17/2008, -0/+0jehst, chester p + farma g (task force), klashnikov, wiley, skinnyman...
- pault107, on 04/17/2008, -0/+1...or going a bit further back (UK):
Hijack
Blade
Silver Bullet
London Posse
Demon Boyz
Hardnoise
Caveman
Some hardcore tracks back in the day. None of this 50 Cent *****.
- sparql, on 04/17/2008, -0/+2Dizzee Rascal
- kajoob, on 04/17/2008, -0/+2Informer, you no say daddy me snow me Ill go blame,
A licky boom boom down.
Detective mon said daddy me snow me stab someone down the lane,
A licky boom boom down.
Informer, you no say daddy me snow me Ill go blame,
A licky boom boom down.
Detective mon said daddy me snow me stab someone down the lane,
A licky boom boom down.- racco, on 04/18/2008, -0/+1word!
- whataboutdave, on 04/17/2008, -1/+10I was just about to agree with you until I realized I couldn't name a singe Canadian hip-hop act besides the Swollen Members.
- falafelkiosken, on 04/17/2008, -3/+7it's funny how everybody is expert at Swedish hip-hop before they even have heard any.
I'm not a hiphopper, but Advance Patrol is one of my favorites:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOU-JLTGqBU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kk6Kb0JFO-Q
it's just one artist among many - AndreasTh, on 04/17/2008, -6/+3Another Swedish hip-hop artist (Timbuktu). http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PLvQbkj-exE
I'm not really into hip-hop though =) - kamisama, on 04/17/2008, -2/+1Pirate Hop ftw ahrrr
- WiretapStudios, on 04/17/2008, -3/+0Check out Petter and Looptroop?
- falafelkiosken, on 04/17/2008, -2/+1you mean "pirates-should-get-executed-Petter?"
- freetron, on 04/17/2008, -2/+0The reason I dugg this comment is because when I read the same line, I thought "well, duh! of course a swedish hip hop artist is not going to do anything about digital piracy!" BTW - It's still stealing, get over it.
- Junel, on 04/17/2008, -5/+55Any artist who is standing up against the gestapo tactics of these organizations is a good start.
- ipek, on 04/17/2008, -3/+12Smart move!
- Kasot, on 04/17/2008, -4/+49IFPI, RIAA, MPAA and the rest of the mafiaa can just stop producing entertainment. I bet most of their income comes from suing people to pay for piracy, not selling music. ***** cancer.
- geoken, on 04/17/2008, -0/+22Or scaring people into paying royalties. They sent a letter to my wife (who owns an aerobics studio) telling here she needs to pay royalties for the music she plays. The letter/brochure contained many falsehhods, not the least of which was the claim that royalty free aerobics CD's she purchases fall under the RIAA's jurisdiction (it was actually the Canadian wing of the RIAA, the CRIA).
They also made such bold claims as (paraphrasing) "You should assume all the music you play is under the CRIA's jurisdiction" (despite the fact that she doesn't play any music that I haven't verified through RIAA radar and 95% of the music she plays is independent house).
We obviously knew enough to laugh at their letter, but most people would beleive their deceptive claims and pay up.- digitalpencil, on 04/17/2008, -0/+4That's despicable, i'm glad you knew enough about the subject but as you said, they'll be lots of other out there, receiving similar letters who are less informed and could be bought over by these scare tactics. ***** the RI.. er.. CRIA!
- geoken, on 04/17/2008, -0/+22Or scaring people into paying royalties. They sent a letter to my wife (who owns an aerobics studio) telling here she needs to pay royalties for the music she plays. The letter/brochure contained many falsehhods, not the least of which was the claim that royalty free aerobics CD's she purchases fall under the RIAA's jurisdiction (it was actually the Canadian wing of the RIAA, the CRIA).
- prompel, on 04/17/2008, -1/+8When any collection of elemental particles grow large and complex enough, it comes alive. Like the IFPI and MAFIAA. Now they are afraid of death, and does *anything* to insure their own continued existence. Time to die, dinosaurs!
- TheMoniker, on 04/17/2008, -0/+1I agree, time to die. What's funny is that if they actually did worthwhile work on behalf of the artists, they would have been welcome to stick around.
Also: "collection of elemental particles," what?
- TheMoniker, on 04/17/2008, -0/+1I agree, time to die. What's funny is that if they actually did worthwhile work on behalf of the artists, they would have been welcome to stick around.
- suzywang3000, on 04/17/2008, -10/+38what does he rap about? Bridges? Snow?
- houndeyex, on 04/17/2008, -1/+14Yetis.
- 0260, on 04/17/2008, -0/+23his gold plated ikea and volvo with spinnerss
- bjornski, on 04/17/2008, -0/+5"Bio-tches don't know 'bout my Vo-vo!"
- danarama, on 04/17/2008, -4/+3try getting out the house a little more
- justinx0r, on 04/17/2008, -0/+3How hard life is when it's dark 24 hours a day during the winter.
- LANjackal, on 04/17/2008, -2/+32Filesharing is engrained into Scandinavian youth culture. Standing against it is suicide for any artist.
- cadmiumpaint, on 04/17/2008, -11/+3thats really unfortunate that you've created an environment where an artist can't earn a living off of their own work. good job.
- ZannaDiosa, on 04/17/2008, -0/+7Thank you. :)
- zeabu, on 04/18/2008, -0/+1Stupid *****, there are other ways to gain money. Not being an industry product for example. People donate.
Now, of all sales, only 5-10% gets to the artist (let's be generous, it's far less in reality) , the rest goes to labels. With filesharing noone pays, some donate, 15-20% of the whole revenues.
If you can do some math, you'll see the only ones bleeding are the labels. Oh, and some products like Brittney Spears. I'm sorry Brittney.
That's a win-win. Real artists get more, and we fans get more real artists.
- cadmiumpaint, on 04/17/2008, -11/+3thats really unfortunate that you've created an environment where an artist can't earn a living off of their own work. good job.
- racco, on 04/17/2008, -1/+69Hip-Hop was built on Mixtapes & Bootlegs, find a Hip Hop artist that will back the IFPI and you have found nothing but a bitch
- blackdude, on 04/17/2008, -9/+21I'm sorry but most European rap is just as corny as it gets personally. I swear i've given it so many chances... At least the drug rappers in America keep some sort of "hard" standard. Digg me down whatever, I don't care.
- bjornski, on 04/17/2008, -3/+7I think some of the Brit-hop is kinda trippy. I kind of like some of the "speed rap" stuff.
/and they're normally literate, which is more than I can say for half of the American gangsta-crap. - Lhurgoyf, on 04/17/2008, -8/+2You could argue that rap/hip-hop started in Europe, with a band called Kraftwerk. Plus it is fun to listen to their stuff and realise it is sung in the German equivalent of the Brummie accent.
- danarama, on 04/17/2008, -0/+4i wouldn't say it started with them at all. they were just sampled by the first actual hiphop artists in the us. it started more with beat poetry and funk.
- danarama, on 04/17/2008, -2/+7some of the best hiphop in the world is in the england. just another dumb ass stigma. roots manuva is the *****. start with him.
- zongamin, on 04/17/2008, -2/+5Roots Manuva pisses all over any of the corporate American ***** that people think is 'hip hop' these days. Eat ***** *****!
- credence, on 04/17/2008, -1/+1Grime 4 life.
- atticus8, on 04/17/2008, -1/+5+1 on Roots Manuva, but let us not forget Dizzee Rascal or MC Solaar. Listen / read the lyrics to "Solaar Pleure" and tell me it doesn't top, in lyrical depth of thought, 99% of the ***** out there, American or otherwise.
- zongamin, on 04/17/2008, -2/+5Roots Manuva pisses all over any of the corporate American ***** that people think is 'hip hop' these days. Eat ***** *****!
- jrowny, on 04/17/2008, -1/+1There's more than just "drug rappers" in the USA ya know? We've got some really awesome artists like Mos Def, Atmosphere, and a long list of others. There's great hip hop all over the world I'm sure if you just look for it.
- blackdude, on 04/17/2008, -0/+3No *****; im trying to relate here (to the common crowd) lol. I listen to all of those guys you mentioned, their actually what's worth listening to. If only they came out with cd's more often.
- DTXT, on 04/18/2008, -2/+1ALL Rap sucks, digg me down!
- bjornski, on 04/17/2008, -3/+7I think some of the Brit-hop is kinda trippy. I kind of like some of the "speed rap" stuff.
- frogman54, on 04/17/2008, -2/+8It seems in the world of metaphor, a Swedish hip-hop star helping to fight the evil record companies is a bit like bringing a knife...wait...no...a paper clip to a gun fight.
- frostbyt, on 04/17/2008, -0/+3But if you stab the other guy in the eyes with the paper clip and take their gun. Then the paper clip is a better weapon.
- frogman54, on 04/17/2008, -0/+3Everybody thinks they're a ninja now. Sheesh.
- atticus8, on 04/17/2008, -0/+1The Knife, while probably not helpful in a gunfight, is an excellent Swedish band.
- frostbyt, on 04/17/2008, -0/+3But if you stab the other guy in the eyes with the paper clip and take their gun. Then the paper clip is a better weapon.
- nimbletimble, on 04/17/2008, -3/+1What a crazy guy! Think of all the single mums he could sue
- endun, on 04/17/2008, -3/+4Gangsta.
- slstsang, on 04/17/2008, -1/+5Smart move, that's one way to get your name out, now people wanna what your music sound like.
- deeboe, on 04/17/2008, -8/+3Swedish hip-hop! Bwa-ha-ha! I had this image of this Swedish Chef dressed gangsta and saying the "Fluber flibben" thing!!!
- plizard, on 04/17/2008, -3/+3he be rappin bout dem fine ass bitches and hoes ya erds mah
- YodaJones, on 04/17/2008, -7/+4Hip Hop sucks balls, but the RIAA and their thugs assaults on file sharing have to stop. When are they going to learn that their behavior is making people want to steal they're stuff more?
- Taiyaki, on 04/17/2008, -1/+119000/750=25.3333
I know the IFPI is not the RIAA and their charge rates are not the same. If you go by the $750 per song rate, they've only decreased their demand by about 2 albums of lost revenue.- Matty007, on 04/17/2008, -0/+0What?
- Qunjiaofeiyang, on 04/17/2008, -3/+0Swedish HipHop ^^
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zr-u2cPJhYw - robthom, on 04/17/2008, -1/+5I'm torn. I want to digg for pirate bay, but...
- Pahtcub, on 04/17/2008, -2/+3What a promo stunt, hey I fell for it and gave it a listen...I would do the same thing if someone cared enough to sue someone over my music...if anyone does, feel free, http://www.myspace.com/patrickkelleymusic
- sharkus414, on 04/17/2008, -2/+2yo, I liked your tripwire song, so it's now on my profile. --sweet. You need to work a little on your lyrics though. I like the guitar work though.
- falafelkiosken, on 04/17/2008, -2/+2I hope other artists will follow - until there's nobody left claiming any money
- cadmiumpaint, on 04/17/2008, -1/+1you want all artists to be poor and broke? way to support them.
- twiztidsinz, on 04/17/2008, -1/+12Who cares if they dont have rights to his work.... they deserve a share of his money for absolutely no reason!
- baylat, on 04/17/2008, -3/+0what?
- twiztidsinz, on 04/17/2008, -0/+1huh?
- baylat, on 04/17/2008, -3/+0what?
- danarama, on 04/17/2008, -1/+2http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sY_Yf4zz-yo
swedish hiphop- AndreasTh, on 04/17/2008, -1/+1http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PLvQbkj-exE ^^
- drguerra, on 04/17/2008, -4/+3Whoa Swedish hip hop? I bet it sounds like the Swedish Chef from the Muppets rapping. If not, it should.
- cadmiumpaint, on 04/17/2008, -4/+3I find it a bit odd that musicians are ok with their own music being stolen from them. You'd think they'd be upset that their "fans" use places like the pirate bay to push them towards the soup kitchen ...yeah they get exposure..but exposure doesn't pay the bills.
I'm talking about smaller indie artists. These are the ones that get hurt the most by file sharing i think. The ones that can't afford huge tours. All that "exposure" with no income just helps to insure they'll never record again.- ZannaDiosa, on 04/17/2008, -0/+2We're not. We put lots of our own money into getting it recorded since we don't have big labels to help us out, and then we're lumped into the same category as the RIAA and the MPAA if we just want to make enough to pay for it. And then there's rent, food, etc, and with the current economic downturn where people aren't interested in going out to see live shows, well, it's enough to make us consider scrapping it all for a stable day job.
Well, almost. ;) - baylat, on 04/17/2008, -1/+0You don't need to earn first to make the music good, just make the music good for you to earn. A lot of artist became famous because of youtube, and it was free.
- cadmiumpaint, on 04/17/2008, -1/+1do you know how much a decent guitar, amp, recording equipment, getting a few hundred CD's pressed, a few hundred T shirts and stickers made costs? It all costs money, so yes you need to earn something to make music and get out there.
- sponeil, on 04/17/2008, -1/+0AFAIK, the majority of artists who sign with a label never see a dime from the album sales. The artists make more from the concerts and concessions (i.e. selling T-shirts). In that case, free exposure can turn into money in their pockets where increased album sales won't help them at all.
This is not true for indie artists, but it is why Tom Petty declared bankruptcy after he became popular to void his contract with his record company (who sued to try to stop the bankruptcy). They were making millions off his albums, he was making nothing, and he realized that his contract would leave him penniless even if he worked for that record company for the rest of his life and continued to make them millions. The court agreed that the record company had screwed him hard, and allowed him to proceed with the bankruptcy.- cadmiumpaint, on 04/17/2008, -1/+1thats an incredibly huge assumption. I've met artists on both sides of that argument. I just think this whole attitude of "we're taking your music for free but we still support you" is a ***** justification. T shirt sales won't pay for a small artists gas, motel and dinner let alone everything else. It costs money to actually make those shirts too.
- sponeil, on 04/20/2008, -1/+0That's a good point, and I never said I thought it was justified. I was just trying to explain why some musicians don't care if you don't pay for their CD's as long as you listen to them. Most musicians I've known barely broke even on anything they sold (if they did break even). One musician I met was in a band that had signed with a recording studio. In the end, they lost money on the CD's but gained a little back from the T-shirt sales. As a result, they didn't care as much about whether you bought the CD's as they did about whether you listened to their music and came to their shows. My wife knew a lot more people in bands when I met her, and she said that was pretty common.
- cadmiumpaint, on 04/17/2008, -1/+1thats an incredibly huge assumption. I've met artists on both sides of that argument. I just think this whole attitude of "we're taking your music for free but we still support you" is a ***** justification. T shirt sales won't pay for a small artists gas, motel and dinner let alone everything else. It costs money to actually make those shirts too.
- TheMoniker, on 04/17/2008, -1/+0I know of a number of artists who would make the opposite claim. Wilco, for example, made a point of embracing free online music distribution. To the best of my knowledge, it worked for them.
- cadmiumpaint, on 04/17/2008, -1/+1WIlco already had a huge installed fan base. All the arguments on the pro side are from artists who benefited from record label support in the early years NIN, Radiohead and Wilco, who went off on their own, with name recognition and a huge worldwide fan base.
my question is, what do new artists do in this kind of culture where people refuse to pay for anything?
- cadmiumpaint, on 04/17/2008, -1/+1WIlco already had a huge installed fan base. All the arguments on the pro side are from artists who benefited from record label support in the early years NIN, Radiohead and Wilco, who went off on their own, with name recognition and a huge worldwide fan base.
- pilobilus, on 04/17/2008, -1/+1Epic fail. Independent artists depend very heavily on file sharing networks and other "free giveaways" to obtain public exposure. Speaking of which, go search for November Foxtrot Whiskey on ISOHunt and give a listen. The band leader asked me to upload a couple of albums.
Fail part II: Copyright infringement is not stealing. This myth is part of the overall corporate push to establish a monopoly on all creative works, turning copyrights into financial instruments that can be bought, sold, and traded forever and ever by speculators. A Copyright is not a natural right, it is an abridgement of the public's natural right to copy things, granted for a limited time to enable creators to make money. Eternal copyright is a gross perversion of this concept, which seeks to deny rather than encourage "progress in the useful arts and sciences" by putting a permanent price tag on literally everything in our culture's fund of artistic expressions.- cadmiumpaint, on 04/17/2008, -0/+1You're an epic fail. I've never discounted exposure factor of file sharing. I'm talking about the fact that you're directly taking money out of their pockets by NOT FINANCIALLY SUPPORTING the artists in any way.
As far as your stupid little opinion on copyrights. I'd like to see you walk into a Federal Courtroom and use that as a defense. Copyrights protection artists from being ripped off. Its to ensure that some indie artist puts a song on youtube, and then some pop star can't come along and steal it.
You don't know what you're talking about and you're just pulling ***** out of your ass to justify your actions.
You take an artists work and don't pay them for it you're a thief. End of discussion. LIke i've said before. Exposure is wonderful, but if everyone is taking without financially supporting them, they won't be around very long.
- cadmiumpaint, on 04/17/2008, -0/+1You're an epic fail. I've never discounted exposure factor of file sharing. I'm talking about the fact that you're directly taking money out of their pockets by NOT FINANCIALLY SUPPORTING the artists in any way.
- ZannaDiosa, on 04/17/2008, -0/+2We're not. We put lots of our own money into getting it recorded since we don't have big labels to help us out, and then we're lumped into the same category as the RIAA and the MPAA if we just want to make enough to pay for it. And then there's rent, food, etc, and with the current economic downturn where people aren't interested in going out to see live shows, well, it's enough to make us consider scrapping it all for a stable day job.
- kylere, on 04/17/2008, -0/+6I wish some of my fellow Diggers would grow up, the important part of the ARTICLE is “In fact, they [IFPI] didn’t even own the rights to his music.” and has nothing to do with WHO or WHAT type of music/artist is involved.
- sponeil, on 04/17/2008, -0/+1If wishes were wings...
You'd be better off just not posting on Digg. I try to resist, but every now and then I get bored. ;-)
- sponeil, on 04/17/2008, -0/+1If wishes were wings...
- ThomasPaine23, on 04/17/2008, -0/+3Yeah I'm a COLD mo-fo, no matter what you try,
I'll pop a cap in your A$$ on a smooth sleigh-by!- WiretapStudios, on 04/17/2008, -1/+0Fail. In any language.
- xkorbin, on 04/17/2008, -0/+1Dugg for "sleigh-by"
- jjintheuk, on 04/17/2008, -0/+2IFPI just got pwned!
- WiretapStudios, on 04/17/2008, -1/+1Looptroop is from Sweden and they don't sound corny at all. They have great beats, excellent delivery, and keep that dope hip-hop / b-boy vibe that most American MC's sold out for cars and houses and other *****.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Looptroop - blacklilyninja, on 04/17/2008, -0/+3make fun of the artist in another place...the issue is the ifpi using his name in a lawsuit. like the situation with the riaa, the artists need to take control of their own art.
- j0se, on 04/17/2008, -0/+1WEEZY F BABY
- xeyed4good, on 04/18/2008, -1/+0So I hear all this crap from folks on these blogs on RIAA, IFPI etc etc. While I don't agree with the methods they use, it still does not make stealing right or legitimate. If people really don't like their business plans or how much artists get paid then organize a boycott and stop paying for overpriced music....
- LingNoi, on 04/18/2008, -0/+3In this instance it's the company claiming lost sale damages when they don't own the rights to the music that are stealing and stealing in more ways then one.
- powerfullogic, on 04/19/2008, -0/+1Hip hop is for blacks ONLY! Just like the presidency is for men only.
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