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- WraithFX, on 10/12/2007, -0/+57The First Rule of Usenet is that you don't talk about usenet.
The Second Rule of Usenet is you don't talk about usenet! - mesostinky, on 10/12/2007, -0/+44There is no such thing as usenet.
- fullwaza, on 10/12/2007, -3/+34heh, come on, tell us how you really feel!
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -4/+15Oh. Uh...actually yea. My younger brother was on the PC just not, he suffers from scizophrina, don't mind that first comment.
=O - BrainInAJar, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6Vista? hell, mac osx is using the trusted computing module _right_now_
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6There is no such thing as Usenet. and All that Traffic was Linux ISOs. I swear!
- Jugalator, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5"i wanted to use allofmp3.com for my parents but they dont trust it, anyoe got any links or reviews or something that i could show them to change there mind"
Stop digging down honest questions...
http://www.museekster.com/allofmp3info.htm
I've tried it, and nothing strange happened here at least, during that period. - craig870, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6To me its just common sense. Whether I pay .99 for a song or $10 for the album it becomes mine. Dont tell me I can only put it on certain mp3 players. In any business there is danger. If you cant handle the danger part of said business then your in the wrong line of work. Apple, Urge etc. business model sucks because they use DRM. If your customers tell you that DRM sucks, they are essentially saying that your business model sucks. You would be wise to listen. Same goes for artists. Also, If I was an artist I would be looking for better ways to market my product. Cut out some of the middlemen. I didn't even know about DRM till a couple months ago. I bought a mp3 player for my daughter on her birthday. I downloaded some music from Urge only to discover that she couldn't use it on her mp3 player. I thought well hell I'll just buy the whole album from them. Surely if I purchase the album then I can use it the way I want. Nope. So then I went to the local music store and purchased the cd's, loaded them on the pc and then the mp3 player. I even made backups for her abuse. I have since learned to use bitorrent...........
- plaunie, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3@NtHammer
Never had any problem.
No links - but you 'could'
1. get a 1 time use visa number - most credit card companies will issue them for online purchases test it out for 10 bucks and see that they dont screw you or 2. use your 'own' money and get a bank account with a debit card... - djjuice, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5Do you think Apple or MS wants to use DRM? Stop blaming them. its the RIAA, The Music Industry and the MPAA that is requiring all this BS. Look what the MPAA wants to do with DVR's. Sure I'd like to use online Music/Movie Stores without DRM, but sadly enough without this DRM we have to use, none of these *legal* online stores would exist.
- falcon707, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Title is incorrect. "Hackers" don't crack... only "Crackers" (no I'm not talking about white people) crack. You can be a hacker and a cracker, but the two are very much different.
- Technopundit, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Anybody who would pay a buck to hear "Stairway to Heaven" ought to have his head examined.
http://blog.wfmu.org/freeform/2006/05/stairways_to_he.html - 3dprototype, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Just don't update until the next rev of the hack.
- Zoasterboy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Yes, the word is Crackers not hackers. Crackers like warez and stuff like this. Hackers are computer enthusiasts and would only do this if they needed to.
- mattduke, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2FTA "Gartner analyst McGuire said both approaches can work. The key is that the updates--however they are handled--should not become so onerous that users become frustrated and leery of digital music.
"There is a risk that people kind of throw up their hands," he said.
-- Now correct me if I am wrong, but this is the whole reason this software is out there. My College just rolled out a free unlimited download program with Ruckus to try to stop so much illegal downloading of music going on around campus. Great idea, I don't mind if some of my student fees go to pay for this as long as it is useful to me. The problem came up the first day the service was available. Server time-outs every time it tried to "download the license" to listen to the song. So you couldn't listen to a single song for the first 36 hours until the servers got over the intial attack. The second big problem came when everyone realized that the songs wont work with an iPod. Well sorry guys, but that just isn't going to work. I own an iRiver, which works with WMA DRM, but I am part of the minority in that. So students can sit at their computer and listen to music, but can't take it anywhere. Already a massive failure on campus with msot people giving up when they couldn't use it the first day and the rest when it wouldn't go on their iPod.
Well then people found programs to get rid of the drm..... - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Crackers > DRM
I mean crackers as in code-crackers, not my caucasian friends :) - Setari, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Well the Fairplay crack is really just the new version of it, for iTunes 6. The Hymn site explains it pretty well:
http://hymn-project.org/docs/hymn-manual.html#how-hymn-works
It decrypts the keys which allow it to decrypt the song which gives you the drm-free version. It works well, but the algorithm for iTunes 6 was much harder to crack if I recall. With it at least ( not sure about the Windows Media stuff), you don't run into the DRM version problems that you cite, except for different versions of iTunes. - fluffyturtle, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Hmm.... There must be more to this. Basically DRM has proven to be almost flawless. Even if it is broken the crack usually only works with media encoded in a specific version of DRM. So when a crack comes out it is almost pointless to go through the trouble since your media isn't likely to have that version. Plus, didn't the last one require you to brute force it every single time you wanted to listen to the song? Talk about useless.
I really hope they got it right this time, I am sure it can be fixed with an update but so long as it cracks all *current* music then perfect. Oh, and about friggin time.
Though now that I think about it the whole DRM thing really didn’t do jack to deterring serious pirates, every song you could ever want is out there, DRM free. - Phr00t, on 10/12/2007, -3/+3Trusted Computing defines the Trusted Platform Module (TPM) which basically is a device that allows users to store encrypted keys in a "safe" environment from hackers. The TPM isn't inheriently evil -- corporations who abuse it are evil (RIAA etc.). They're going to be (if not already) useful things for TPMs. You can use a TPM to safely protect your documents from the government, for example.
DRM hopes to use TPMs as the "key" to the music, so you can do anything you like with the music as long as you have the "key." This would allow buyers of music/video to pratice "fair use" (e.g. no crippling of their access to their music) without companies worrying about unauthorized distribution. - glguy, on 10/12/2007, -4/+3I would imagine that all this does is help Microsoft make the case for "trusted computing". and thus a case for Vista and beyond (Which if you haven't been following the news means that corporations can trust your computer)
I don't like DRM, and I support those who crack it. I'm just guessing that this is how Microsoft sees it. - Phr00t, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0There are forms of information that people don't want to flow freely, like company IP (e.g. enterprise DRM). In addition, you might have some information of your own that you don't want to flow freely among the public -- but you want your girlfriend to see :)
I love wikipedia and free information, but I also should have the option of secure transmission and storage of information/data at my disposal. - steelmaverick, on 10/12/2007, -3/+2Can't white people hack as much as anyone else? Or is it just the asians and europeans?
- nufoto, on 10/12/2007, -2/+0Apple, Urge use DRM because the RIAA [music corps] want them to ..they have no choice! ....before the days of Napster, Bittorent Apple use to put Music videos on there system installer CD's with no DRM! not today the music industry wants to crack down on Sharing! Only way Apple and others can sell is to add the DRM.
- sxreader, on 10/12/2007, -2/+0at last I can hear my newly purchased music in linux!
- steelmaverick, on 10/12/2007, -4/+2Wait, you can get music for free?! Since when?!
- Cander, on 10/12/2007, -8/+5"Get all your music free off usenet/news groups. You can d/l as fast "
And that my friends is EXACTLY why DRM will continue to be pushed on us. - OldSchoolNinja, on 10/12/2007, -4/+1One day companies like MS and Apple are going to have to grow up and realize that the fundamental concepts behind information sharing have changed. The information in this case is media, but the message is the same. DRM blocks the free flow of information, and thus it is unacceptable to a large portion of the tech-savvy population. A lot of us feel that freedom of information is a right that we all have, and our culture has supported this concept to a large degree. The problem of course is that big companies aren't interested in creating value for their customers, they're interested in making money from their customers. I guess that's the nature of business. It's just not the nature of technology.
- thechadnz, on 10/12/2007, -3/+0New versions of WMP and iTunes, coming to an update service near you.... lol
- NtHammer, on 10/12/2007, -17/+5i wanted to use allofmp3.com for my parents but they dont trust it, anyoe got any links or reviews or something that i could show them to change there mind, i hate them paying for overpriced cd's where they only like a few of the songs, and they are against pirating
- yourstrulydave, on 10/12/2007, -21/+3Missed it by a second... bury me.
- yourstrulydave, on 10/12/2007, -24/+2Why don't you tell us how you really feel...
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -45/+21Good, ***** Apple iTunes and all DRM.
Get all your music free off usenet/news groups. You can d/l as fast as your ISP will allow. http://shemes.com/
Or allofmp3.com
Or anywhere else that doesnt sell DRM infected music.
DRM, RIAA, MPAA = *****. GO DIE.
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