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- KenSPT, on 09/03/2008, -0/+33After seeing Shaun of the Dead, I've held onto my vinyls strictly to battle zombies ...
- checkacheck, on 09/03/2008, -1/+34Vinyl has more soul than the digital formats... it's probably got less to do with the actual sound, more to do with the big sleeves, great artwork and feel of a record in your hand. Also, there's that amazing satisfaction of finding a great record in a second hand shop or yard sale that you just don't get with digital.... finding a classic tune on a music blog just isn't the same.
Vinyl doesn't have much of a future, but will be missed. - michaelbeckham, on 09/03/2008, -2/+18Or "giant CD's" as Letterman calls them.
- 4rp4n3t, on 09/03/2008, -1/+14If you don't see the point of vinyl - here are two:
Ever tried mixing with CDs? Believe me, there's a very good reason why the vast majority of DJs still love vinyl.
Also, for me, longevity is a huge plus. If you care for your records, they will last a very, very long time. You can still buy and listen to records released at the start of the last century. Trust me - you won't be listening to any CDs from 2008 in 2108... - UGM2099, on 09/03/2008, -0/+13It's the only medium that *feels* worth paying for. When you buy an MP3 or CD (which you rip to MP3) you know it's the right thing to do but there is always the lingering thought that you paid for something you could easily get for free.
- jlpete9, on 09/02/2008, -4/+17I think the important part is "a little"
- jiminynuggets, on 09/03/2008, -0/+12“When you put on a record,” he added, “it’s an event.”
While I totally agree with this summation, I think what is missing from this article is the point that listening to a record is aesthetically more appealing from the point of view of sound quality. The physical process of playing a vinyl record adds slight harmonic distortion to the sound of the music that we percieve as a quality of 'warmth', which is more enjoyable to listen to. In addition, in terms of dynamic and frequency range vinyl is a way better then mp3, but then so is pretty much any audio format. So while I agree with checkacheck about the artwork and all being a part of it, it is hugely to do with sound aswell. - ieataquacrayons, on 09/03/2008, -1/+9Just got a vinyl yesterday. Demo for my friends band. Vinyl is huge in the non mainstream arena, mainly the hardcore/punk genres...
- granolajoe, on 09/03/2008, -0/+7You obviously have no idea what you are talking about. Collectors, audiophiles and DJs have been buying records for years. Electronic music labels especially still press on vinyl because many DJs prefer the feeling of vinyl on analog turntables over the use of CDJs.
There's a reason that I have a collection of 300+ releases and growing...and it's not because I like vinyl just "a little" - raeshao, on 09/03/2008, -1/+8Depending on the types of music you listen to, vinyl may be around longer than you think. Independent and punk releases have been on vinyl for years. Nice to see some of the majors are getting back into releasing 180 and 200 gram re-issues of their classics. Records aren't as convenient as CDs or mp3s, but on a high quality system, they have their advantages. Some of the labels are treating their vinyl releases purely as a gimmick with super high prices to boot. Ah well.
Of course you can just download the songs as well to listen to while working or on the go. - inactive, on 09/03/2008, -4/+11Subpar audio?
You're listening to computerized sounds that were transformed about 5 times and manipulated to create a completely artificial sound.
There's nothing that ever came close to vynils. What you hear is what was produced. The disc is created by the original recording, not by some douche who's half deaf and really likes base for no reason.
Try to find an original vynil and the CD equivalent and play them one after the other. You won't think vynils are subpar anymore.
CD's suck. Mp3's are the ***** format we've had since the cassette tape. - JEWestbrookJR, on 09/03/2008, -0/+6No, not little.
Here is the deal:
At this point, a lot of people consider CDs to be just as much of an antique as vinyl, music is transitioning to simply a file... data on a drive. But there are a lot of people like me that enjoy album art and collecting so they buy the vinyl. And this is being pushed even further because now, a lot of record companies include a download code to download the album in mp3 format for free if you buy the vinyl. I buy waaay more vinyl now that people are doing that. - 4rp4n3t, on 09/03/2008, -2/+7Digg.
- jcroweall7, on 09/03/2008, -1/+6I tend to buy records for older artists like the Beatles or Springsteen, whose albums haven't been remastered well on CD (yet...), so the sound on the CDs is tinny and hollow. Even someone like Elvis Costello's albums, which have been put to CD with new remaster jobs 2 (and in some cases 3) times can sound a little fuller. Used records can also be cheap, though I think prices have been going up since the sales boom that the article mentions.
That said, I'm lucky to live near a very good used record store and to have an even better one near my parents' place. I don't know how my turntable would get any use at all, if not for that. New records are way too expensive. Hell, Beatles records used or new are way too expensive (except at the second shop shop I mentioned). - davori, on 09/03/2008, -1/+5Strange then that 20years on DJs are still using Vinyl, and it still remains the core of DJing. Sorry, but Vinyl is far from dead. If you haven't realised all CDJ Decks attempt to emulate Vinyl, but nothing can do so perfectly and therein lies the reason why Scratch DJs pretty much only use Vinyl...
- inactive, on 09/03/2008, -0/+4It still does hold water. any Dj worth his salt can cue his records just by looking at the grooves. Try doing that with a ***** CD.
- DownIsTheNewUp, on 09/03/2008, -0/+4Very true. Can't make vinyl at home.
- NoCt1, on 09/03/2008, -4/+7Is this the first time you have heard "a little" outside of the bedroom?
- oldhick, on 09/03/2008, -0/+3Also, to those arguing over Pink Floyd, listen to Dark Side and Wish You Were Here in quadrophonic (DTS or quad vinyl if you can find a system) for the best experience!
- oldhick, on 09/03/2008, -0/+3Ahh the good ole Vinyl argument. Everyone's an expert now!
The funny thing is that very few of you have the amplification nor speaker systems that could highlight the extra headroom that comes from the analog wave form.
But at the end of the day, Vinyl is more appealing on so many levels. You can hold it in your hands, smell it, read the liner notes, enjoy the art work... Good times. - FreefallDream, on 09/03/2008, -2/+5HELL YEAH
vinyl is amazing. it got so much more personality than CD's
i've been listening to vinyl since i was old enough to remember, and i still try and find my favorite music on vinyl whenever possible. - 3leggedHorse, on 09/03/2008, -0/+2What I liked about vinyl was getting my hands on some rare track, you know want i am talking about you hear Sasha play a track think ***** thats da *****, look for it for ages ring up vinyl stores,look online and still no luck. But then one day you find it in some store whilst just browsing, its got a white label and got that smell, and it's rare.
Ah the thrill of the chase. - JGent, on 09/03/2008, -0/+2AchaIemoipas Spell check lol :), Some modern re-mastered albums are very poor in comparison to the original ones. Deep Purple machine head reminds me of such an album, as does my modern copy and my early copy of Iggy and the Stooges - Raw Power.
However, that is due to modern techniques creating monsters of classics, which I believe need to be left as so. Improve the audio quality by better technology etc. When labels go back to square one with the master tapes, but change the production method and style they are changing the original product (ie they should keep the original producers idea, and stop extreme DYNAMIC COMPRESSION of volume levels, to make them sound better, ie louder )
I love the sound of vinyl but, Cd's sound better 90% of the time, I love the sound of piano and horn from vinyl, It's also inconvenient and doesn't feature track skip :)
And if I play a CD on my PC (the audio then transferred optically out to a DAC before my amp) I can even scrobble it on last fm :).
You can't surpass the pleasure of seeing quality artwork at a size recognizable to a human with standard vision though. I mean ITunes > ipod then view the artwork lol... If I was an artist and thats how the artwork was getting viewed I would debate bothering doing any.... - Andyschism, on 09/03/2008, -0/+2I think he is getting at the fact that the genre of punk and sub-genres actually release new albums on vinyl and not mainly on CD, and that it is a well accepted and embraced format.
- internetcoward, on 09/03/2008, -0/+2I buy vinyl for home listening, parties ect and borrow mp3s for work and the road. Vinyl recors are just fun to have and great for filling a room with music.
- pittpat, on 09/03/2008, -0/+2We started selling vinyl again at my store and we've seen our sales double in the last year. Granted doubling went from 1.7% of sales to 3.5%, but it's still encouraging because 98% of sales are to 18-24 year old college kids.
- granolajoe, on 09/03/2008, -0/+2Thank you. All of these idiots claiming the death of vinyl don't realize that there were thousands of other people who said the same thing before them many years ago. All have been miserably mistaken.
- kicken18, on 09/03/2008, -0/+2http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2007/jan/18/p ...
Good article on how CD's can sound ***** due to "loudness" - JonnyIsElectric, on 09/03/2008, -0/+2records are the only 'real' formal.. digital music is just a bunch of 1's and 0's. theres nothing like the feeling you get when putting on your favourite record and listening to it from the first to the last song.
- rodrigo74, on 09/03/2008, -1/+3Lots and lots of blind tests were made, including vinyl-saudosists like you, and on pretty much every one of them, people could either not discern the differences (if the vinyl was in excellent shape, with no scratches) or would say CDs sounded better.
Hey, I am a saudosist myself, and one day I would love to recreate my lost vinyl collection, but you gotta keep things in perspective.
Yep, mp3 may sound bad, but it depends on how much you compress it; and there are excellent lossless formats out there as well. - posterjunkie, on 09/03/2008, -0/+2My prediction...CD's go away, vinyl becomes the predomintant physical usic format. Kids won't download music and then go buy in on CD, but they will download then go buy a nice 2 record set with liner notes and a poster.
Jacob
http://www.ConcertPosterArt.com
"Archival and Investment Quality Concert Posters and Memorabilia" - 4rp4n3t, on 09/03/2008, -0/+2Riiiight - so why do all the ***** great DJs I see still use vinyl?
- astrotrain, on 09/03/2008, -0/+1Spin that hot wax track!
- astrotrain, on 09/03/2008, -0/+1Need special needles and turn table for 78s. They are well made (and thick) records. But the "warmth" of Al Jolson is much more appealing then the .mp3 version (yes its true).
- astrotrain, on 09/03/2008, -0/+1Each format has is "father", and the CD's father was Vinyl. Which IMHO (with the right equipment) sounds great. Even with the static, gives a nostalgia to music. I still play my 8Tracks from time to time. There is nothing wrong with various formats of music (well except DRM Infested formats).
I grew up on Vinyl, through the 70s and 80s... and enjoyed listening to all walks of music.
Its a shame at least 50% of the world's vinyl records will never see the light of day since they were not money makers. Its up to the Internet, and Audiophiles to save and preserve our Vinyl past. Otherwise, the generations to follow will never know real music, and not the stuff they radio kill every 10 mins because the RIAA pays the radio stations to do so. - astrotrain, on 09/03/2008, -0/+1And don't forget the agony if the record store got a bad batch of records due to a problem with the press. Nothing like having to return America's "Tin Man" five times before you got a good pressed version.
- CBK81, on 09/03/2008, -0/+1I've been a scratch dj since the late 80s and I use both vinyl and serato now. It does not beat match for you, but it is a bit easier to mix because you can easily line up the snare part of the 2 song's wave images. Also, I have my stuff all cue pointed out, and sorted by bpm. It doesn't replace vinyl, but it does allow you to become a more versitile mix dj for sure. Also, I love that I can now make my own "scratch phrases" from samples. I'll mix them up with fruity loops, save it as an mp3 and boom, customized scratch material. It's pretty awesome. At the club I djed at for a while, I would record myself saying things like the drink specials, the club name, birthdays, ect on the mic, then scratch them.
- Dealjobber, on 09/03/2008, -0/+1Pretty much all new CD's released today suffer from the loudness war.
It's why that old Black Sabbath CD sounds really low in volume, but put on a cd you bought this year and you'll have to lower the volume (in some instances) by half since it's cranked so high. I started buying vinyl this year and I'm never looking back to cd's.
Plus you can rip your own vinyls to mp3, and know while doing so, you're not clipping the highs and lows to make it sound 'loud'. - veganvelma, on 09/03/2008, -0/+1Costello's albums, from my experience, sound SO much better on vinyl.
- notmtwain, on 09/03/2008, -0/+1I still love my old records but I don't think I ever saw a record from early in the 20th century on sale, even when I bought most of mine early in the fourth quarter of the 20th century. Are you talking about 78's?
- username7410, on 09/03/2008, -0/+1I had a huge record collection and let me tell you, it was like having a pet, and sick and annoying pet. I had to arrange my apartment based on what location was safest for my records. They couldn't be close to the heater, or close to the window and sunlight, couldn't be close to the kitchen... bah. I won't even get into what a pain it was to move them. It's an impractical format. I like the idea of vinyl better then the reality of actually using it has my main music medium.
Also; don't like that most young people seem to only prefer it over digital formats because it make them "cooler" than their counterparts with digital music libraries, at least that's what the article says. - shadowspawn, on 09/03/2008, -0/+1"The process of taking the record off the shelf, pulling it out of the sleeve, putting the needle on the record, makes for a much more intense and personal connection with the music because it’s more effort,”
What the hell? You just played a record when you had one. Like life has changed so much these last few years you have to relish opening a jar of... relish? - RoryTheRuffian, on 09/03/2008, -0/+1
Estvir, you mean Alternative Rock? Because i would consider Alternative, a blanket term for all those genres I just mentioned & many more...
I didn't want to sound like a music snob.. (I have a personal preference to World, Soul, 1920's Swing, Ska and Acid Jazz). I was just pointing out the genres I felt were more historically associated with vinyl, not to mention House, Garage and Jungle.. - Janv1er, on 09/03/2008, -0/+1You can, but it's expensive.
- sark666, on 09/03/2008, -0/+1This is a kinda weird situation, I've heard the same album, one after the other, in cd and in vinyl format, and vinyl sounded better by far.
But are we really going to go back? First off, the industry would love it, it would be as close as they could get to putting the genie back in the bottle. Analogue copies sound like crap as we all know.
But maybe what we really need is a digital successor to CD. I've never heard either, but I've read dvd-audio and SACD sound amazing. Cause, if you throw enough digital bits at the problem, there's no reason why it wouldn't sound as good. We're just not 'throwing enough' with the CD format.
Also, they are now mastering CDs like total *****. It's the louder is better mentality, dynamic range be damned. - inactive, on 09/03/2008, -0/+1Kinda?
Shhhh. - bungoman, on 09/04/2008, -0/+1I haven't bought a CD in about 5 years. I have however bought over 400 records, most of them were pressed in the last decade too. I'm a sucker for OOP pg. 99 records.
- JesseJ, on 09/03/2008, -0/+1good article. exactly why I have the best albums as vinyl..
- JGent, on 09/03/2008, -0/+1Funny you mentioned that article I commented about the stooges album sounding crappy above. It was a 'hot' distorted analogue inferno that turned into a crunchy irritating CD release.
- MrSkills, on 09/03/2008, -0/+1This is a failure of production, not of the medium - although, of course, it was not possible to do on vinyl. So in fact, one of vinyl's major limitations (the fact that you cannot master too loudly for it or the needle will jump) actually turns out to be probably the biggest reason why many records sound better on it. It's not that vinyl sounds better, it's that it prevents a practice that can make things worse.
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