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- GTPilot, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Tell them what you think here: http://www.hbo.com/apps/submitinfo/contactus/submit.do?title=CGMS%2dA%20Copyright%20Protection&questiontype=general
- chromaphobic, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2"Don’t suppose you guys actually read this through… it’s asking that SVOD services be set as “Copy Never”. It’s not asking that normal broadcast TV be marked this way. Because VOD is Video on _Demand_, there’s no reason to record it to your DVR, you simply order it from the VOD screens. The reason for this is because HBO, and the cable provider can get metrics on activity as well as charge for certain events over and over. Currently with Comcast, when you pay for HBO as a premium channel for normal broadcast, you also get HBO VOD free.
You guys really should do your research and read the document carefully."
From my understanding of the terminology, it doesn't even stop you from recording it on your DVR either, it just flags it so you can't make any copies of the recording. So, for Tivo users at least, no copying it to your PC or burning it to DVD.
That still kinda sucks, and infringes on our rights of fair use, but it's not nearly as bad as it's made out to be.
Still, it's kinda fun to watch everybody get into a whirling fire of righteous indignation. :-) - djkritikal, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Don’t suppose you guys actually read this through… it’s asking that SVOD services be set as “Copy Never”. It’s not asking that normal broadcast TV be marked this way. Because VOD is Video on _Demand_, there’s no reason to record it to your DVR, you simply order it from the VOD screens. The reason for this is because HBO, and the cable provider can get metrics on activity as well as charge for certain events over and over. Currently with Comcast, when you pay for HBO as a premium channel for normal broadcast, you also get HBO VOD free.
You guys really should do your research and read the document carefully. - bndocksnt, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2lol vaylor, you took the words right out of my mouth. this is not even an article imo, just a weak attempt to direct people to a blog and make some money off the hits. lame...
- farfromsubtl, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2"You know something's wrong when the Businesses become the Communists."
Stupidest digg comment ever. - starbird, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2In reading the image of the, it looks like they are trying to preven onDemand stuff from being able to be DVR'd. (Subscription Video on Demand, or SVOD, is a Video on Demand service offered at a flat (subscription) price that provides viewers with unlimited access to select programs from the libraries of featured cable networks.) So HBO on Demand stuff. Isn't this already not able to be recorded by a DVR? or are they saying anything they offer on Demand should not be allowed on a DVR when it is on a regular broadcast? If that is the case, they are BEGGING people to steal their shows....
Also find it interesting this happens a month before the sopranos season starts... - jeraboam, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Has anyone RTFA? This is only about HBO's subscription On Demand service.If you have that you're already paying $4.95/month to be able to watch a program whenever you want to. And since most of the offerings on HBO SVOD are repeats, record them the first time they're on HBO.
- KicktheDonkey, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Is recording something on a DVR really any different than recording something on a VCR? Are they trying to ban that, to? (honestly asking. I can't read the article cause its blocked by proxy at work)
For the life of me, I just don't see what the problem is. If people are recording it, then selling it or whatever, that's already illegal. Go after them for that, don't punish those of us who follow the law... - rmdl, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Kinda impossible to ban DVR recording. That's like trying to put a stop to taping songs off the radio.
Plus it's nonsensical.
How exactly are they going to enforce this - monitor every household?
I'm just dying to know how/why these companies think they could come up with such asinine ideas and remotely try to get away with it... I mean really, what person gave the go ahead for, "Hey Bob, I think we should try to push for a DVR ban!"
Either 1. they're delusional, or 2. stupid to the point where they don't know exactly what a DVR is.
Person doesn't deserve to be making the money they are, that's for sure. - iSEPIC, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1They are trying to ban the recording of the video on demand, not the normal programming. So if you can pull it up at anytime, why need to record it (and stay within legal rights to use it). I think some of you are thinking that this is something they are petitioning to get for normal HBO channels, not VOD only.
- steelshadow, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1"If your piping media into my house I intend to retain the right to copy whatever I want, whenever I want."
Believe it or not, you do not OWN the material you are viewing over TV. They own the copyright and there is nothing unholy about them changing the laws so you can view it only when and if they say you can.
You can also decide to opt out of that agreement and stop watching their shows. - Sabot, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2HBO is helping us see that we don't have a free market. We have corporatism. If they can't get what they want from the market they go crying to congress. Time for the old democratic bitch slap HBO.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporatism - o0joshua0o, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1"The reference to communism (in the first post by tkloppel) is not completely misplaced. One associates a lack of freedom with the propoganda surrounding the Soviet Union during the mid to late 20th Century."
There's just one problem. The Soviet Union never actually achieved communism. It was socialist. It was "The Union of SOVIET Socialist Republics". - justjosh, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2My brain's memory makes a perfect copy of everything I watch. Will that be illegal next?
- rebrad, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0The leaches will not be happy until everything is pay per use and then they try to figure a way to mandate use.
- GeekusMaximus, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0"DVRs are for recording broadcast television...NOT VOD!!!
You people really need to jump off a cliff somewhere. This is a perfect example of the power of stupid people. Most of you are bantering on not even knowing what the article is about...if you did...then you wouldn't be bantering...
The headline is horribly wrong and I doubt that many of you even read the article. Congrats DVRDude, you've managed to abuse the digg.com community and warp their sense of allegiance."
You just don't get it. This is the first step. Once they get this passed they will move on to other types of premium content. Then to their entire subscription. Then network television will have precedence for them start the same crap. It's the first step in a long series of moves to eventually give them the legal foothold to start suing anyone with a DVR. - xelloss, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0What is there to watch on TV when you have Netflix?
- icurnvs, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I don't know if anyone has already mentioned this, but it doesn't appear as if they're trying to block you from recording regular HBO programs. They're trying to block people from recording On-Demand content. For example, if you miss an episode of The Sopranos, then you simply tune to the HBO On Demand (Separate channel from the "regular" HBO channels) and for a couple bucks, you can watch that episode whenever you want. This is totally separate from your regular HBO channels.
- mckinnej, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I ditched HBO a long while ago anyway. Most of their content sucks. I would cancel them again because of this if I could. The content providers are well on their way to strangling the market, which will start them to whining about consumers not buying their crap. Will they ask for a law that forces consumers to subscribe to their channels? Maybe they'll get a subsidy...
- ch1ckster, on 03/04/2009, -0/+0*shakes head*
Material you are viewing is copyright. You are not paying for the material or the right to copy it - you are paying for their programming, so you can watch what they air. Nothing in the contract that states otherwise.
Get over it. - Veretax, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0if this ever got traction that would be one less reason to get the pack on Charter that comes with HBO. I mean part of the point of a DVR is recording a program so you can watch it later at your convenience.
What HBO needs to do is provide better Ondemand services for viewing the things. I bet you a lot of people would gladly pay 4-6 dollars to watch just one program on a regular basis - krinn, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Well, I can't seem to find the original source of this petition from HBO, however the image at zatznotfunny identifies it as being related to docket 97-80.
What's docket 97-80? "Nagivation Devices" rules creating consumer market for set top boxes and other equipment used with Cable TV services.
So what does copy protection have to do with that? Well, nothing really. In 1996, Congress passed a law requiring that cable boxes be available for purchase from sources other than the cable company. The law says nothing about copy protection. But the FCC figures cable boxes are a nice place to sneak in some copy protection that congress never authorized.
Congress never authorized the broadcast flag either, but the FCC tried to stick that in to some Digital TV rulemaking, until a Federal Court struck it down. Now they're trying to sneak copy protection into the cable box rules. Time for another lawsuit. - 5blocksfree, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0blacktoes wrote: apparently I not only have to pay for my premium channels, but can only watch the programming when they say I can.
They are trying desperately to turn the entertainment content business in to a metered service, much like your water and electricity- the more you use, the more you get charged. The problem with this model is that signals piped through a cable do not qualify as a scarce resource, like water or electricity. The additional cost of piping a movie down a cable for the second time is, comparitively speaking, almost zero. Quite obviously, this "pay-for-play" model has the potential to turn content services in to a MAJOR cash cow...IF it's allowed to happen. - neoDingo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Are they actually trying to drive everyone to piracy. So wait, if this actually takes place and one day in the future i miss an episode of the Sopranos Season....12(sigh) which my PVR wasn't allowed to record, I'm forced to wait for the re-run later that week, while all my friends talk about how hot Meadow looked last night. I tell you, installing codecs and crappy ripps of the internet is starting to sound good.
- howyoudoin, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Email them! Tell them they are arse clowns!
http://www.hbo.com/apps/submitinfo/contactus/submit.do?title=Video%2fDVD&questiontype=video - AKron, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Next I suppose they'll petition to force viewers to ingest a drug that will make them forget what that saw so it won't be stored in MM (meat memory). Just do what I do. Don't buy music CDs or DVDs. Don't go to the movies, either. Everytime I think of buying something like that, I remember how the industry continously breaks the anti-payola laws, while at the same time they sue, and harrass kids for downloading something. As long as people buy their products they will be in business. This should be a no brainer for most people.
Downloading music is wrong. You should be making it for yourself. That's what music is all about. - DVRDude, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0djkritikal said: "The headline is horribly wrong and I doubt that many of you even read the article. Congrats DVRDude, you've managed to abuse the digg.com community and warp their sense of allegiance."
Why not read some of the links in the story... this is typical for them and they were one of the first to sign off on the broadcast flag and worked with TiVo to add expiration dates to shows and prevent offloading the content to PC or other DVR. Thankfully, this hasn't been put into practice, though Series 2 TiVo units do have the functionality with code installed.
http://www.pvrblog.com/pvr/2005/09/tivo_72_os_adds.html - ConceptJunkie, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0
Either 1. they're delusional, or 2. stupid to the point where they don't know exactly what a DVR is.
Or 3. It's not so outrageous to consider that they have enough bitches in Congress to actually get such a ludicrous law passed.
Orrin Hatch call your office. - neodon, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0you're
- wthnow, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0DRM bleh
- clerk37, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Bittorent=Free HBO
- coneil, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Funny you say that Veretax
DIRECTV and HBO have reached an on demand agreement to allow the remaining 40 gigs of space on the new R15 non-tivo DVR to automatically download HBO shows for you to purchase "ON-DEMAND".
Way to go HBO make up your freakin mind!!!!! - OswaldKenobi, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0OK HBO. I'm just going to cancel my subscription and download your programs over the internet. Now you won't make any money off your copyrighted content. Good business decision.
- Slungsolow, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0"VOD is a subscription service that replays shows that have already aired, shows that I have already paid for. It is no different than the live braodcast. If HBO wants to ban feature film recording, I would have no problem with that. Banning all recording of VOD is something I don't agree with."
If it already aired, you should have already recorded it. - gtriamy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0whatever happened to "serve the customer" why are service and product companies telling the consumer what they want, things like this need to be brought to the public eye for scrutiny
- fugitivALiEN, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0if you are at work and cannot get access to the site you can use safeforwork.net - there are also links to vptunnel and vpntunnel on there as well if any of them are slow.
- craigtheguru, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I'd cancel HBO if I subscribed.
- clownguyx, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I DVR episodes of the Sopranos from HBO, and that's about it. The show is so good though, that I always buy the DVD release for the overpriced $80 anyway. I currently own seasons 1 through 5. Which to me says that if you put out a quality product, people will still pay for the subscription, and the DVD release.
Although, HBO shows the same crap over and over so I don't know why it's much different then having it on a DVR. - Athlwulf, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Where's the innovation? I'm tired of hearing about businesses defending models that are changing or moving on. I pay more money than I'm comfortable with on satellite, TiVo, and internet and as I've paid for the service, I want to be able to be entertained on my schedule, not theirs. I don't see why they should dictate when I see something or what I do with it within my household--I'm not sharing it, I'm not selling it, all I want to do is sit down after the kids are in bed and watch my shows.
- Sabot, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0So just because I have a choice on what I want to watch I should not be able to record? As long as I don't have a choice on what I want to watch I can record. Nice.
- dasc, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Again, people need to understand that VOD programming, although is similar to a VCR with a pause, FF and RR is not truly On Demand. The programs are offered for a limited time and are then dropped from the catalog. There is still a legitimate question of Fair Use and Time Shifting. Also, as people go more mobile with portable technology it's a fair question to ask if Tivo'ing something and dropping it to a video iPod or laptop to watch on the commuter rail the next morning isn't also Fair Use. Place Shifting needs to be addressed officially in the court system.
- charlesjillian, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0The reference to communism (in the first post by tkloppel) is not completely misplaced. One associates a lack of freedom with the propoganda surrounding the Soviet Union during the mid to late 20th Century.
But it is in fact our government that is reminiscent of the Soviet Union of the late 20th Century. It is the nature of business to claw for profit. But it is our government that is doing there bidding. So don't villify these business, villify the people that agree to these conditions in your name.
For a definition of communism, try:
http://www.marxists.org/glossary/terms/c/o.htm#communism - markman07, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0"DVRs are for recording broadcast television...NOT VOD!!!"
Actually I consider a DVR in a sense VOD. I watch VIDEO (TV shows) when I want. I DEMAND to watch a show at 10PM on Wednesday that's when I watch it! - whisperedlie, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0The title and summary of this post are misleading. I suppose you can still argue that "if the signal comes into my house and I pay for it, no one should be able to tell me what I can do with it as long as it is strictly private, personal use", but other than that there's not much here to get all bent out of shape over.
non-VOD broadcasts are not affected, which I expect is what people were originally alarmed about. - MasterDwarf, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Hey HBO, what if you do this, and subscribers drop you from the graces of their monthly cable bill? How will your precious DVD sales work out? What a bunch of sphincters
- neoq36, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Big companies have completely lost there mind.......and what the hell are the talking about DVR is not VOD....DVR is equal to a VCR.....
- wilf_brim, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1I don't see why HBO VOD should be treated any differently than subscription HBO. You are paying for both. As pointed out above, there is nothing new on VOD; it is just old episodes. And the catalog isn't very complete. So, why should you be not be able to record it.
Look, this is just a first step. After getting VOD recording banned, the next (probably at the same time) is getting HBO shows to be time limited to 24 hours of viewing. Then no recording of pay channels. Then no fast forwarding of commercials in other channels. Then no recording at all.
Nope, not going to stand for it. Right now the HBO content is questionable. The last good show was Rome. Curb Your Enthusiasm is one of the most annoying shows in the history of television. Deadwood is just meh. The movies, for the most part, are very old and suck large amounts of ass. They stop DVR recording and I stop them. - djkritikal, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1DVRs are for recording broadcast television...NOT VOD!!!
You people really need to jump off a cliff somewhere. This is a perfect example of the power of stupid people. Most of you are bantering on not even knowing what the article is about...if you did...then you wouldn't be bantering...
The headline is horribly wrong and I doubt that many of you even read the article. Congrats DVRDude, you've managed to abuse the digg.com community and warp their sense of allegiance. - Burgerman851, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0"Still, it's kinda fun to watch everybody get into a whirling fire of righteous indignation. :-)"
True that! :-D
Speak a little more softly, djkritikal: you've got to admit that the headline-readers are fun to watch! - zero_tek, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0"How exactly are they going to enforce this - monitor every household?"
Broadcast Flag, Upgrade to digital tv?... The government isn't just being nice, they want to sell the spectrum and to protect it's stupid citizens from content. God damnit, I hate all these organizations that make laws, they arn't the f---ing government. The people run this country or should run it so why are the corps running it. There needs to be a mass boycott or protest, something to f--- these greedy bastards. If we don't start something in a couple years we won't be able to record anything legally, making everyone who wants to record something criminals. The RIAA and MPAA are targeting everyone because they can't make enough. If they are losing money it's their own damn fault. -
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