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- maximilen, on 11/15/2008, -26/+60Buried for even bringing up the 500 mile left-turn boringness called Nascar.
- brandita, on 11/15/2008, -16/+33Save some money and stop driving in circles.
- Needles13, on 11/15/2008, -20/+36They should just cancel the whole 'sport' while they're at it.
- irgeek, on 11/15/2008, -0/+15With u pal. I thought the same as most for several years. After being pressured by my brother-in-law for years I finally gave in and went to a race at Charlotte back in 2003 and it was awesome. Have enjoyed it ever since. The stereotypes are *****. I go to other events and have to pass through metal detectors, pat downs, and other hassles and there are still episodes of violence. I go to a race and as long as my cooler contains no glass and fits under my seat, I'm good to go. Choice of beverages is up to me (alcohol included). I've been to several races and have taken lots of friends of different races/backgrounds and have never witnessed anything bad. Everyone accepts each other and gets along swimmingly.
- Nickolassc, on 11/15/2008, -3/+15HAHA diggers. NASCAR made the front page! Zing! You Betcha!
- chicagojack, on 11/14/2008, -2/+13penny wise pound foolish
- Randude, on 11/15/2008, -0/+8Why do so many diggers feel the need to bash something they know nothing about? If you actually ever watched a race, you would see all the technology behind the sport, not to mention the excitement. Do you automatically trash everything you don't understand? If so, then you are missing out on a lot of cool, fun things in the world!
- HappyScrappy, on 11/15/2008, -1/+9Not too suprising. NASCAR is getting very expensive. Just shows how no matter how simple the formula, any big-time series becomes expensive to win.
- AmnesiacJack, on 11/15/2008, -7/+14Wow all the hate for NASCAR here.
Get the ***** outta the comments if you don't like the story.
I can see this as a good change but seriously, the big teams will find a way around this. Be it better computer simulations, better gear, or even more expensive 7 post shaker rigs this doesn't do as much good as they are going to hope for and might actually put the few lower tier teams that did go to test even that much further behind. Now all they'll have is data from previous races where as like I said before the richer teams still have all the gear needed to some what simulate the track in house.
Besides NASCAR doesn't really care about the smaller teams all you have to do is watch some of the rulings they have made in the past year *coughTonyStewartdidn'twinthatraceatTalladegacough* - bullsbarry, on 11/15/2008, -0/+6The biggest expense in racing isn't the fuel used during the race/practice/qualifying. It's not even the tires, though during a race weekend a team can go through tens of thousands of dollars in tires for a race. One of the biggest expenses is all of the ancillary stuff that goes along with it. Getting people and equipment to and from venues, which includes testing. By banning testing, not only do they cut costs, but they're evening the playing field somewhat, since only the cash rich teams are able to test often.
- Pake, on 11/15/2008, -0/+6A lot more than your brain to obviously comprehend. Suspension and engine packages require a lot of testing, just like any other motorsport.
- 0ffl1n3, on 11/15/2008, -0/+5You would think that with all of the technology that NASCAR involves, more diggers would be into it. If any of these people actually got to know anything about the sport, other than liking the wrecks, they might come to appreciate how technical and finely tuned these cars are.
- HappyScrappy, on 11/15/2008, -0/+5The motors aren't spec, suspensions aren't spec. Otherwise, yeah.
- thegrantman, on 11/15/2008, -9/+14Save all the money and do something else.
- Xerone, on 11/15/2008, -0/+4I agree. We should disband the Yankees.
- claydawg, on 11/15/2008, -0/+4hell yeah, NASCAR rocks...I just went to see the Nationwide race in Memphis a couple weeks back.
- Ozmotear, on 11/15/2008, -13/+17If its savings they're after, just cancel the whole thing.
Better yet... Fire all the drivers and race teams.
Keep the cars around but hold a raffle at the beginning of each race to select drivers from the stands.
This way the drunken race fans will be the ones driving around in 200mph race cars.
Turnout will be huge because everyone will want a chance to drive.
Crashes will increase dramatically (Which is the only reason anyone watches) and therefore Ad revenue will increase accordingly.
Its a win, win, win... - diemunkiesdie, on 11/15/2008, -0/+4How does NASCAR save money when it is the individual teams that pay to do tests on a track? Am I missing something here? Anyone who watches NASCAR (and can use a computer) help me out!
- inactive, on 11/15/2008, -1/+5SidiousX3 is obsessed with gay people and penises (see comment history).
You know he hides his secret love for man on man sex behind hate remarks American Beauty style. - inactive, on 11/15/2008, -1/+4Considering it's the second most popular sport in America, I'm guessing a lot of people, dumb ass.
- duggdowncatisad, on 11/15/2008, -4/+7Take your homophobic comments to an LDS forum.
- kvgirard, on 11/15/2008, -13/+16i hate how people hate nascar. bury me i expect it but i enjoy it and im hoping at least 1 other person using digg does too
- HappyScrappy, on 11/15/2008, -0/+3There are good drivers in NASCAR. There's also a lot of bad ones. Watch the road course races. Drivers like Ron Fellows and Boris Said who have little experience in NASCAR cars do very well because they know the techniques better.
I watched Boris get wiped out in the last turn (the 180 before the start/finish line) at Sears Point because he tried to take the corner out/in/out like you're supposed to do while most other drivers took it equal radius.
I've watched some NASCAR races, and even though all the drivers aren't good, that isn't the problem. It isn't even the low-tech cars. And the coverage is great, they have so much more money to spend, so they have cutaway cars, lots of announcers and tons of cameras.
The problem is the racing. On ovals, there's almost nothing to watch except crashes. You can safely skip almost the entire race except the end.
I'd much rather see something like V8 Supercars done in the US. The cars are more like cars you an buy and the racing is a bit more exciting because there are more turns on the track. - inactive, on 11/15/2008, -0/+3Pure electric vehicles actually can be quite fast, especially in accelerating. Of course... when you're going 200+ mph off batteries the charge just isn't going to last very long...
- roosterjm2k2, on 11/15/2008, -0/+3More time to show grown men playing with balls and slapping each other on the ass?
- Junior612, on 11/15/2008, -0/+2For everyone burying me: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Car_of_Tomorrow
- irgeek, on 11/15/2008, -0/+2awesome! I was there 2. Much better than last year. R u Memphis local? U should check out the trucks in June. They really work the 3/4 mile. Maybe c u there next time!
- roosterjm2k2, on 11/15/2008, -0/+2except for the road courses... right?
And the cars are far from the same. Individual cars on the same team perform different. I drive late models at small short tracks. I have 2 cars. Both built in teh same shop, on the same templates, with the same materials. One has more body roll in it. Makes the car tighter in the center and looser of the corner. You can measure the cars side by side and find them nearly identical, but just natural difference in the steel, weld joints, etc... you have to test EVERY car before you put it on the track...
but really, arguing with dumbasses like you who chose to insult something you chose to remain ignorant of is useless... - Pake, on 11/15/2008, -1/+3Yes, because putting over 20,000 out of work is a great idea, especially when we create a lot of beneficial technology.
- CheatRZ, on 11/15/2008, -3/+5I was actually surprised to see two nascar related stories on the front page of digg because of all the hate.
- sktbrdngp3, on 11/15/2008, -0/+2Ignorance.
- Jimmerz, on 11/15/2008, -5/+7It's spec racing. All the cars are the same under the facade and they go in a circle. How much testing is needed?
- kvgirard, on 11/15/2008, -0/+2the final truck race that just aired tonight was a real nail-biter too. im glad to see there are some amongst the diggers that enjoy it. ive yet to make it to an event (being in central ohio nothing its extremely close, would like to go to a michigan race) but i think nascar gives auto racing in general a bad name with the masses. scca racing and alms racing are very entertaining to watch as well. ive been to mid-ohio many times and im just like a kid in a candy store then.
- wastelander, on 11/15/2008, -1/+3A figure-8 track would be eight times as awesome!
- Mutt76, on 11/15/2008, -0/+2they didn't cancel it, they banned it. Therefore the teams who can't afford it won't be at a disadvantage to the teams who can.
- maximilen, on 11/16/2008, -0/+2^ 'Cmon, I know racing a front-running car in Nascar is just as difficult and strategically demanding both from a driver's point of view as well as a team (as in any motorsport), but that doesn't automatically make it fun to watch... Same goes for drag racing...
Whereas Formula One, rally and any other road course racing is MUCH more fun to watch from a layperson's (as well as an enthusiast's) point of view. - MarzipanBabies, on 11/15/2008, -0/+2You betcha!
- TJENN, on 11/15/2008, -1/+3I seem to recall Nascar having some road courses as well. hmmmmmmm.
- sktbrdngp3, on 11/15/2008, -0/+2Nobody said you had to.
- sktbrdngp3, on 11/15/2008, -0/+2And every open wheel driver that's come into NASCAR has failed miserably, so don't act like drivers in every other form of motorsport are superior. There's a few drivers who could step over to F1 and win right away (Tony Stewart, Jeff Gordon, etc.).
The teams that tend to bring in road course ringers are usually low in points, under funded, and need some exposure to try and get them back on their feet. - BlakeEM, on 11/15/2008, -0/+2only if it collides in the center
- sktbrdngp3, on 11/15/2008, -1/+2Me, democrat.
- thedrue, on 11/15/2008, -1/+2Ill be the first to admit that I don't know much about nascar and there may be some variation between cars, they can be set up to be incredibly similar. I was making a crack at the new rules that mandate that everyone drive basically identical cars, at some point research and development becomes fairly useless since you have to drive whatever the rule makers hand you.
I am much more a fan of f1 and some of the sports car races. Although f1 is succumbing to an awful lot of regulation these days as well. - sktbrdngp3, on 11/15/2008, -0/+1You're wrong once again. Just because there's rules put into place doesn't mean that research and development becomes useless. That's like saying since a linebacker knows every one of his defenses plays it's pointless to keep practicing and tweaking. Like rooster I work on super late models and I have for about seven years. Granted the Cup cars are a whole different beast, but they're the same concept. The only true differences between the new Cup car and the old Cup car is the aero package, the restrictions they've put on suspension travel, and the overall weight distribution of the car. All the concepts are still the same, and thus there's a lot of room for creativity and advancement in setups. BBSS stuff was all the rage in the previous years and they can't do that now, now they've went back to the old bump stops stuff. You could have the best aero package in the world but if you're suspension package is garbage you're not going to last, simple as that. THAT is why teams test. THAT is why the car's ARE NOT the same.
The rule makers don't "hand" you the cars. The give you rules and guidelines for which your cars have to fall into. Everything else is up to you. They don't say "you have to have three degrees of ackerman in the right front" or "you can only use Penske shocks". I'm sick of ignorant people that think you bring the cars to the track, put fuel in them then go out and run them. The things you think you know about racecars is a grain of salt compared to what's really out there.
If anything thedrue, the F1 cars are a lot closer put together then the Cup cars. - Randude, on 11/15/2008, -0/+1Obviously you have never watched a race before...
- bullsbarry, on 11/15/2008, -1/+2It never was a bailout. It was a change in the tax law that treated racing venues the same way that amusement parks are for the purposes of depreciation.
- sktbrdngp3, on 11/15/2008, -0/+1Save some money and stop paying guys in pin striped suits millions of dollars to hit a ball with a stick.
- truck87bp, on 11/15/2008, -0/+1No bailout for the big 3...NASCAR Dies. Thats pretty plain and simple. Everyone in America driving Toyota's, boring.
- Pake, on 11/15/2008, -0/+1"The problem is the racing. On ovals, there's almost nothing to watch except crashes. You can safely skip almost the entire race except the end."
The would be better said about the past 15 years of F1. Watch the first 3 laps and you can pretty much assume that first through third will be the ones on the podium. In NASCAR, at least you have to come back to watch the end, since things change quite a bit more. - sktbrdngp3, on 11/15/2008, -0/+1@ reddevild
Actually Tony drove in IRL before he came to NASCAR, not F1. I was talking about F1 in my post. -
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