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- LowROI, on 04/23/2008, -3/+60still better than nascar.
- infinityofnever, on 04/23/2008, -4/+29I wanna see F1 cars drive on the ceiling. That would be the new sport.
- gavincato, on 04/23/2008, -0/+24relax guys
2009 regulations are slick tyres, 60% less aero. - svivian, on 04/23/2008, -5/+24"cars unable to overtake and races decided on pit stops rather than driver skill"
That's been the case for years, it's nothing new. If you want overtaking and driver skill then look at the touring car championships or motorcycle racing like MotoGP.
Also, front page with 36 diggs?! - chapter78, on 04/23/2008, -2/+14That's how racing works, you can be the fastest man on the track but if you can't get past the cars in front of you, you ain't gonna win.
- BradHAWK, on 04/23/2008, -0/+8They don't mean that the Ferrari was traveling 1.5 seconds per lap faster; rather they mean that the Ferrari can complete a lap on an empty track in 1.5 fewer seconds than the Honda could on an empty track.
- chapter78, on 04/23/2008, -3/+11I agree with this mostly, but it isn't just the aero packages. What happen to real slick tyres? Why is the 'best' (and I say this with a pinch of salt) formula in motorsport running on grooved tyres. They say it is for safety, do you think the drivers would rather have an extra 2 seconds a lap or a debatable increase in safety. Nothing at all to do with slowing the cars down so that the cameras can get long panning shots of the advertisements on the bodywork?
I think culling the driver aids was a good idea, remember F1 of the 80's and 90's? I grew up watching that and it was so much more fun to watch, over taking, real racing and the drivers weren't afraid to show their character on and off the track. I remember a time when the crowd would flood onto the track as soon as the race was over.
So, safety or profit.. you decide! - bosssmiley, on 04/23/2008, -1/+9Scalextric is better than NASCAR
- protogenxl, on 04/23/2008, -1/+7why is it that there are four 15 minute quarters but the game takes 3 hours play?
- GeorgeStone2, on 04/23/2008, -2/+8First of all, bring back turbo F1.
They have 1.3l engines that make 1500bhp but can't use them.
Secondly, I watched some GT4 racing last night and it was amazing. Loads of passing, loads of near misses.
Bloody exciting race.
And they were racing cars I can relate to.
I will always enjoy F1, but it has been getting a bit boring. - damawa42, on 04/23/2008, -0/+6The point was that it is too hard to follow nearby another car, because of the turbulent air generated, so the overtaking opportunity never comes. Not that each car is too fast to ever be overtaken.
- RubineBoy, on 04/23/2008, -1/+7Speed bumps, red lights, speeding tickets, flash lights, an annoying kid on the back seat that has to pee, an annoying wife next to the annoying kid, boring music on their radio, amateur drivers on the road, a bit gravel here and there, that they have to take gas themselves, change tiers themselves, ...
I can go on ... - fandyboy, on 04/23/2008, -0/+5The only reason aero has become so important is the removal of mechanical grip.
Solution, reintroduce slicks, restrict aero and boost power with the KERS system. That way cars won't be so sensitive about being in the "dirty" air. - anshuman, on 04/23/2008, -0/+5F1 is trying to make the race more depended on driving skills than all the mechanics, thats why slick tyres were banned and grooves came it (to reduce speed), automatic traction/gear control is going to be replaced with manual ones (so driver error comes in play) , they will have to now introduce more things so that We see more overtakings , what more can you think of?
I suggest they should have wider and more bends in race strip .. what more can you think of? - Fxer, on 04/23/2008, -0/+5Nascar should also take a few pointers from F1 driving. A little creativity on designing the tracks, for example. There's a reason F1 is seen all over the world, while Nascar is barely known outside the US.
- spectre_25gt, on 04/23/2008, -0/+5Somehow I doubt that will be the problem that keeps it from happening.
- jstone, on 04/23/2008, -0/+5You're thinking of an active downforce system that was developed by Chaparral cars in the 1970s. It used two fans to create suction under the car, and was able to produce far more downforce than simple wings.
- inactive, on 04/23/2008, -0/+4i really would like to see F1 like that, without ANY restrictions, except perhaps size of the car and no wings lol. Now that would be very fun to watch.
- DigiOz, on 04/23/2008, -1/+5Last season was the best season in long long time. I miss the Mansel, Senna and Prost days. Then it was more about the drivers and not the so much the cars. Let's hope things are starting to change and it will become an exciting sport to watch again.
- ISEEDEADPEOPLE, on 04/23/2008, -0/+4Finally a person who actual has a clue! !
if you know what your looking for the fia rules for 2009 can be found here
http://argent.fia.com/web/fia-public.nsf/C5F0793AC ...
Slick Tyre's Aero reduction and the new KERS ( think of an electric turbo) I reckon 2009 should be a good year.
The only downside is apparently the first prototypes are kicking around Ferrari and Mclaren and are Fugly! - Spuy767, on 04/23/2008, -3/+7I bet you also enjoy watching people stand in line at the DOT.
- MrARPA, on 04/23/2008, -3/+7Bring back turbos - it was fun watching the drivers turn on the boost to gain more speed (and sometimes run out of fuel when they overdid it).
- thscientist1, on 04/23/2008, -0/+4The first rule of the algorithm is YOU DO NOT ASK QUESTIONS
- synagence, on 04/23/2008, -0/+4Less aero more mechanical grip = sit behind car in front hassling him until he makes mistake or sit on tail through corners and get superb tow down straight and overtake
- Fxer, on 04/23/2008, -1/+4Aerodynamic forces make the cars safer. It would be impossible to reach 350 kph (or so) without the cars being essentially stuck to the track.
- snugsoho, on 04/23/2008, -1/+4I wouldn't say it was killing F1 by any stretch of the imagination, such a headline is certainly being sensationalist.
Come next season there will be amendments to the sports aero regulations which such help clean up the abused air for cars travelling immediately behind another one so over taking will be much easier as the driver to get up close and over take which isn't all that easy with the sports current aero regulations. - kalkin, on 04/23/2008, -0/+3it's actually a poor article anyway. this could have been written 10 years ago. there is also no mention of the changes proposed for next year which will see a reduction in aerodynamic downforce by around 90%, slick tyres, turbo boost buttons, no tyre warmers, etc, etc.
- KaneElson, on 04/23/2008, -0/+3Yeah because that would be interesting *sigh*
Acellerate down the straight
slow down
turn
Repeat
You need some interesting tight turns and weaving sections or boringness ensues. - Samohtneas, on 04/23/2008, -0/+3I just lol'd, good troll attempt.
- Pake, on 04/23/2008, -1/+4No, but there's a lot more passing while you wait.
- zmigliozzi, on 04/23/2008, -1/+4You don't just turn on boost... you can control its engagement/cutoff, ratios, and PSI boost but it's not like a Nitrous system.
- 3leggedHorse, on 04/23/2008, -1/+4 Turbo F1 again would be cool. Current F1 is a boring pile of doggy do.
- cliffdavis, on 04/24/2008, -0/+2F1 currently runs grooved tires as part of the attempt to slow the cars down overall, and to bring the driver back into the equation. Over the past 5 years, many of the rule changes have focused on one of two things: driving down costs, or increasing lap times. This is the same reason you now see a v8 versus the previous v12. For one season, F1 went with a rule banning tire changes, in an attempt to eliminate some of the mechanical grip during the tire manufacturer wars. This turned out to be more of a safety impediment than originally envisioned, and also contributed to one of the sports most popular teams being fairly uncompetitive. Once Bridgestone became the sole tire supplier, F1 was able to dictate a decrease in grip without worrying about one company gaining a competitive advantage.
What the article completely fails to mention, is that next year they are eliminating a large amount of aero from the cars, and returning to slick tires. Of course, that would change the position of the writer from 'guy who is disheartened, and knows better than those fat cats in charge' to 'guy who reads about last weeks testing, and last winter's rule changes, and then writes an article that would have been semi-pertinent, but still ill-researched ten months ago'. - bluesatin, on 04/23/2008, -1/+3But if you're going faster than someone, how can you be behind them?
(1.5 seconds faster for 19 laps that is, I mean he can't have been THAT close to the car holding him up for a lot of the laps) - Le3f, on 04/23/2008, -0/+2CAPS LOCK, LEFT TURNS, CRASHES, REDNECKS, YEAHHHH!
- RubineBoy, on 04/23/2008, -1/+3If you are cornering faster, driving faster and then you have to break and fall back ...
- GoatMonkey2112, on 04/23/2008, -0/+2Speed should be regulated by the allowed amount of fuel in the car, not by a huge list of rules.
For example, the cars get 25 gallons (or whatever is determined) to travel their ~70 laps. They are allowed to use any size engine, turbos, hybrid, active suspension, traction control, active aero, pretty much any possible way to finish those laps without refueling. If they go too fast, give them less gas.
The only rules about the car design would be for safety reasons. - Oppslagsverk, on 04/23/2008, -9/+11"The problem was graphically illustrated in the 2008 season opener at Melbourne, with Ferrari pilot Kimi Raikkonen being held up behind Honda’s Reubens Barrichello for 19 laps despite the Ferrari being 1.5 seconds per lap faster than Barrichello’s chariot."
How can you be held up 1.5 seconds behind the car in front of you for 19 laps without passing him? - zmigliozzi, on 04/23/2008, -0/+2They have mirrors... G-Forces aren't too bad, yes from a distance they all look similar, open wheeled airfoils in the front and back but look closer at all of those, not 1 team is like the other. Fuel load is also a biggy.
- Le3f, on 04/23/2008, -0/+2At least anything beats watching the Leaf's... ;)
- DrDash, on 04/23/2008, -0/+2Nascar is so different because all the cars are the "same", or fit a template. In F1 ENGINEERS win races. Technology wins races. I agree that the races are less then exciting, but the brains win the races, not the drivers (OK, they help). As a true geek I love F1. We (the geeks) make the cars that the glory boys (drivers) sit in and win in, but the cars are what win. I do think that aerodynamics should be changed or limited.
- Vodd9, on 04/23/2008, -0/+2Trackmania style?
That would be awesome. - Number23, on 04/23/2008, -1/+3Good racing = more power than grip.
- Samohtneas, on 04/23/2008, -0/+2A turbo's boost is always active once you get high enough RPM's (not really a problem for these cars!) and while you keep the gas going... turbocharging != corny nitrous system (enjoy your engine seizing)
- KaneElson, on 04/23/2008, -0/+2A) Your link doesn't work
B) KERS is a mechanical kinetic energy recovery system, not electrical. This article describes it quite well. http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2007/09/26/kers-technol ... - KaneElson, on 04/23/2008, -1/+3I have a black friend.
- spectre_25gt, on 04/23/2008, -0/+2No tyre warmers? Isn't that going a bit far?
- Chirp08, on 04/23/2008, -0/+2"races decided on pit stops rather than driver skill. "
What a bitter douchebag, part of the race is fuel strategy, it's a skill to win based on that. The fact is she covered the exact same distance and did it faster then the rest of the field. You don't see someone complaining when a kid wins a track meet because he saved all his energy for the last 2 laps as opposed to going all out for the whole race, and this is no different. The fact is that when you are all running within tenths of a second of each other every driver is just as skilled, people don't realize how hard it is to be that consistent racing against yourself, as opposed to a bunch of other cars. - quelcertoleo, on 04/23/2008, -2/+4The crucial point is that F1 is the pinnacle of tecnology applied to a 4 wheel vehicle with the only goal of lapping faster.
Aerodynamics is one of the main tecnologies to use in order to drive fast, period.
Logically, if all tecnology would be applied without restrictions we would have 1500+ hp turbo engines with ground effect that would do over 400kph and lap around Monza in one minute...the difficult part of the whole system is in fact balancing how much tecnology can be applied in order to keep F1 the pinnacle of tecnology but at the same time keep the human aspect of the driver that wins due to his abilities. -
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