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Is Aerodynamics Killing Formula One?

sportingo.com — Aerodynamic gear is killing the Grand Prix spectacle, with cars unable to overtake and races decided on pit stops rather than driver skill.

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  • quomen, on 04/23/2008, -8/+3Maybe?
    • kitkatsavvy, on 04/23/2008, -3/+1indeed!
    • teaBagger, on 04/23/2008, -1/+1I would like to propose "yes"
    • Spuy767, on 04/23/2008, -1/+1Aerodynamics has been killing formula one for ten years. F1 has degraded into a qualifying match, and then a 2-hour game of follow the leader. F1 should take a few pointers from Nascar as to how to field consistently competitive racers.
      • Fxer, on 04/23/2008, -0/+5Nascar should also take a few pointers from F1 driving. A little creativity on designing the tracks, for example. There's a reason F1 is seen all over the world, while Nascar is barely known outside the US.
        • Spuy767, on 04/23/2008, -2/+1I'm not a fan of nascar, but they know how to keep a field even and make racing more exciting for fans.
      • DrDash, on 04/23/2008, -0/+2Nascar is so different because all the cars are the "same", or fit a template. In F1 ENGINEERS win races. Technology wins races. I agree that the races are less then exciting, but the brains win the races, not the drivers (OK, they help). As a true geek I love F1. We (the geeks) make the cars that the glory boys (drivers) sit in and win in, but the cars are what win. I do think that aerodynamics should be changed or limited.
  • imacbook, on 04/23/2008, -4/+5Sensationalist title on the full article. Why single out one driver?
    • damawa42, on 04/23/2008, -1/+2Because he is the top driver who is currently struggling the most right now...
    • kalkin, on 04/23/2008, -0/+3it's actually a poor article anyway. this could have been written 10 years ago. there is also no mention of the changes proposed for next year which will see a reduction in aerodynamic downforce by around 90%, slick tyres, turbo boost buttons, no tyre warmers, etc, etc.
      • spectre_25gt, on 04/23/2008, -0/+2No tyre warmers? Isn't that going a bit far?
    • APDSD, 26 minutes ago, -0/+0F1 is killing F1, you don't have a wide enough market to appeal to. http://www.anchorpointdesignsd.com
  • svivian, on 04/23/2008, -5/+24"cars unable to overtake and races decided on pit stops rather than driver skill"
    That's been the case for years, it's nothing new. If you want overtaking and driver skill then look at the touring car championships or motorcycle racing like MotoGP.

    Also, front page with 36 diggs?!
    • thscientist1, on 04/23/2008, -0/+4The first rule of the algorithm is YOU DO NOT ASK QUESTIONS
    • Le3f, on 04/23/2008, -0/+1MotoGP is hence boring from an engineer's perspective ;P
  • vyasram, on 04/23/2008, -7/+8I certainly dont agree with that. If they take out the aerodynamics, it will be a simple equation - " Mechanically, the fastest car wins, irrespective of driver skills". The facts that you lose a position only when you make a mistake and you gain a position only when you do something extradinory ensures that races are decided by driver-skills to some extent.
    • damawa42, on 04/23/2008, -0/+6The point was that it is too hard to follow nearby another car, because of the turbulent air generated, so the overtaking opportunity never comes. Not that each car is too fast to ever be overtaken.
    • Fxer, on 04/23/2008, -1/+4Aerodynamic forces make the cars safer. It would be impossible to reach 350 kph (or so) without the cars being essentially stuck to the track.
      • edmcguirk, on 04/23/2008, -0/+1That's nonsense. The whole point of racing is to operate the vehicle as close to the edge of control as possible. It doesn't matter where the edge is as long as all the teams have the same opportunity to find and exploit the edge.
        Hardly anyone cares that they are racing at 350 kph if the racing is dynamic and exciting.
  • tugger, on 04/23/2008, -7/+7Is Aerodynamics Killing Formula One?

    No, it's fun to watch.
    • Spuy767, on 04/23/2008, -3/+7I bet you also enjoy watching people stand in line at the DOT.
      • Samohtneas, on 04/23/2008, -2/+3Do people at the DOT put out 850 BHP, have the unique engine sound and travel at 350 kmph?
        • Pake, on 04/23/2008, -1/+4No, but there's a lot more passing while you wait.
  • infinityofnever, on 04/23/2008, -4/+29I wanna see F1 cars drive on the ceiling. That would be the new sport.
    • Vodd9, on 04/23/2008, -0/+2Trackmania style?
      That would be awesome.
    • GoatMonkey2112, on 04/23/2008, -0/+1It would be awesome up to the point where the engines couldn't get gas.
      • spectre_25gt, on 04/23/2008, -0/+5Somehow I doubt that will be the problem that keeps it from happening.
      • tomj88, on 04/23/2008, -0/+1yeah also what happens when two cars crash? Even if they didn't take each others wings out they would just fall off the track.... But it would be fun to watch
      • timster, on 04/24/2008, -0/+1Just mount the engine on some sort of device with omni wheels so that it would always stay upright.

        This just might work!
    • rockrapdude, on 04/23/2008, -0/+1Would be nice but the dry sump oil pans, the oil wouldn't get to the engines, so that means it would blow the engine.
  • chapter78, on 04/23/2008, -3/+11I agree with this mostly, but it isn't just the aero packages. What happen to real slick tyres? Why is the 'best' (and I say this with a pinch of salt) formula in motorsport running on grooved tyres. They say it is for safety, do you think the drivers would rather have an extra 2 seconds a lap or a debatable increase in safety. Nothing at all to do with slowing the cars down so that the cameras can get long panning shots of the advertisements on the bodywork?

    I think culling the driver aids was a good idea, remember F1 of the 80's and 90's? I grew up watching that and it was so much more fun to watch, over taking, real racing and the drivers weren't afraid to show their character on and off the track. I remember a time when the crowd would flood onto the track as soon as the race was over.

    So, safety or profit.. you decide!
    • cliffdavis, on 04/24/2008, -0/+2F1 currently runs grooved tires as part of the attempt to slow the cars down overall, and to bring the driver back into the equation. Over the past 5 years, many of the rule changes have focused on one of two things: driving down costs, or increasing lap times. This is the same reason you now see a v8 versus the previous v12. For one season, F1 went with a rule banning tire changes, in an attempt to eliminate some of the mechanical grip during the tire manufacturer wars. This turned out to be more of a safety impediment than originally envisioned, and also contributed to one of the sports most popular teams being fairly uncompetitive. Once Bridgestone became the sole tire supplier, F1 was able to dictate a decrease in grip without worrying about one company gaining a competitive advantage.

      What the article completely fails to mention, is that next year they are eliminating a large amount of aero from the cars, and returning to slick tires. Of course, that would change the position of the writer from 'guy who is disheartened, and knows better than those fat cats in charge' to 'guy who reads about last weeks testing, and last winter's rule changes, and then writes an article that would have been semi-pertinent, but still ill-researched ten months ago'.
      • cliffdavis, on 04/24/2008, -0/+1arg, sorry, previous V10. should have proof read
  • Oppslagsverk, on 04/23/2008, -9/+11"The problem was graphically illustrated in the 2008 season opener at Melbourne, with Ferrari pilot Kimi Raikkonen being held up behind Honda’s Reubens Barrichello for 19 laps despite the Ferrari being 1.5 seconds per lap faster than Barrichello’s chariot."

    How can you be held up 1.5 seconds behind the car in front of you for 19 laps without passing him?
    • chapter78, on 04/23/2008, -2/+14That's how racing works, you can be the fastest man on the track but if you can't get past the cars in front of you, you ain't gonna win.
      • bluesatin, on 04/23/2008, -1/+3But if you're going faster than someone, how can you be behind them?
        (1.5 seconds faster for 19 laps that is, I mean he can't have been THAT close to the car holding him up for a lot of the laps)
        • RubineBoy, on 04/23/2008, -1/+3If you are cornering faster, driving faster and then you have to break and fall back ...
        • Oppslagsverk, on 04/23/2008, -2/+1OK, let me show you how i calculate this in my brains.
          Honda up front, Ferrari right behind.
          Ferrari does the lap 1.5 seconds faster than the Honda for 19 laps, EVERY lap.
          1,5 * 19 = 28,5 seconds.
          So the Ferrari was right behind the Honda for 19 laps, even though it was almost half a minute faster?
        • BradHAWK, on 04/23/2008, -0/+8They don't mean that the Ferrari was traveling 1.5 seconds per lap faster; rather they mean that the Ferrari can complete a lap on an empty track in 1.5 fewer seconds than the Honda could on an empty track.
          • edmcguirk, on 04/23/2008, -1/+1Or perhaps that the trailing car gained on the leading car 1.5 seconds per lap every time he dropped back due to passing slower traffic or strategic pauses.
    • zmigliozzi, on 04/23/2008, -6/+21.5 seconds is pretty far behind if you look at the acceleration and stopping power of F1 cars.
    • FilliSfandal, on 04/23/2008, -5/+2Because they are Italian crybabies looking for a lame excuse.
    • karan1003, on 04/23/2008, -1/+2it's all about oppurtunity
  • fitriidayu, on 04/23/2008, -8/+3stopped watching F1 few years ago after the put in random rules to keep schumy from winning.
  • anshuman, on 04/23/2008, -0/+5F1 is trying to make the race more depended on driving skills than all the mechanics, thats why slick tyres were banned and grooves came it (to reduce speed), automatic traction/gear control is going to be replaced with manual ones (so driver error comes in play) , they will have to now introduce more things so that We see more overtakings , what more can you think of?

    I suggest they should have wider and more bends in race strip .. what more can you think of?
    • RubineBoy, on 04/23/2008, -1/+7Speed bumps, red lights, speeding tickets, flash lights, an annoying kid on the back seat that has to pee, an annoying wife next to the annoying kid, boring music on their radio, amateur drivers on the road, a bit gravel here and there, that they have to take gas themselves, change tiers themselves, ...
      I can go on ...
      • anshuman, on 04/23/2008, -0/+1Whoaa!!! there there..... are you spying on me when I drive? :P
    • zmigliozzi, on 04/23/2008, -1/+1And two sets of tires must be used in a race, a hard tire and a soft compound.
  • DigiOz, on 04/23/2008, -1/+5Last season was the best season in long long time. I miss the Mansel, Senna and Prost days. Then it was more about the drivers and not the so much the cars. Let's hope things are starting to change and it will become an exciting sport to watch again.
  • anshuman, on 04/23/2008, -8/+3and BTW ***** Hamilton , if the website wants to do something just for one driver then thats f...ing f..ed up.
  • LowROI, on 04/23/2008, -3/+60still better than nascar.
    • bosssmiley, on 04/23/2008, -1/+9Scalextric is better than NASCAR
    • shadowfoxmi, on 04/23/2008, -4/+2amen
    • curseoflou, on 04/23/2008, -11/+0neither as good as NFL.
      • protogenxl, on 04/23/2008, -1/+7why is it that there are four 15 minute quarters but the game takes 3 hours play?
      • Samohtneas, on 04/23/2008, -0/+3I just lol'd, good troll attempt.
    • Le3f, on 04/23/2008, -0/+2At least anything beats watching the Leaf's... ;)
  • snugsoho, on 04/23/2008, -1/+4I wouldn't say it was killing F1 by any stretch of the imagination, such a headline is certainly being sensationalist.
    Come next season there will be amendments to the sports aero regulations which such help clean up the abused air for cars travelling immediately behind another one so over taking will be much easier as the driver to get up close and over take which isn't all that easy with the sports current aero regulations.
  • wejmahtin, on 04/23/2008, -8/+0Is our children learning.
  • eroticpie, on 04/23/2008, -3/+4I can't say I disagree, I'd like to see the return of turbo F1 cars too
  • MrARPA, on 04/23/2008, -3/+7Bring back turbos - it was fun watching the drivers turn on the boost to gain more speed (and sometimes run out of fuel when they overdid it).
    • zmigliozzi, on 04/23/2008, -1/+4You don't just turn on boost... you can control its engagement/cutoff, ratios, and PSI boost but it's not like a Nitrous system.
    • Samohtneas, on 04/23/2008, -0/+2A turbo's boost is always active once you get high enough RPM's (not really a problem for these cars!) and while you keep the gas going... turbocharging != corny nitrous system (enjoy your engine seizing)
    • Le3f, on 04/23/2008, -0/+1http://www.motorauthority.com/news/motorsport/brak ...

      ^if you want technology that will actually add a "boost" button, as well as promote a hybrid concept much more efficient than what we currently have...
  • kowalzki, on 04/23/2008, -7/+4The author is clearly not the target audience for Formula 1. I'd suggest him switch to Nascar, Lawn Mowers' races, Destruction Derby or Karting.

    Buries for lame.
  • breakspirit, on 04/23/2008, -2/+1I think that racing is one of those kinds of things you have to be raised around to enjoy. I can appreciate the thrill of a good race if I'm participating, but I just don't get anything out of watching other people driving, even if they're very good. I can, however, see that nascar is ***** compared to many of the other forms of auto racing, but I wouldn't sit at home and watch any of them on TV.
  • nedbigbyssg, on 04/23/2008, -5/+3That's why you need a another driver to "slingshot" you ahead.
  • nevpayne, on 04/23/2008, -8/+3I stopped watching when people stopped dying and crashing. I used to love listening to them scream round each lap, the essential collision every race, the odd field marshall getting owned... THAT was Formula 1, and that's should it should be. The days of Hill and Mansel.

    Go kart racing or classic Mini racing has more thrill for me now - the drivers drive the cars, they overtake, they crash, they go faulty...that's a race that has true winners and losers.
  • GeorgeStone2, on 04/23/2008, -2/+8First of all, bring back turbo F1.
    They have 1.3l engines that make 1500bhp but can't use them.

    Secondly, I watched some GT4 racing last night and it was amazing. Loads of passing, loads of near misses.
    Bloody exciting race.

    And they were racing cars I can relate to.
    I will always enjoy F1, but it has been getting a bit boring.
  • gavincato, on 04/23/2008, -0/+24relax guys

    2009 regulations are slick tyres, 60% less aero.


    • ISEEDEADPEOPLE, on 04/23/2008, -0/+4Finally a person who actual has a clue! !
      if you know what your looking for the fia rules for 2009 can be found here
      http://argent.fia.com/web/fia-public.nsf/C5F0793AC ...
      Slick Tyre's Aero reduction and the new KERS ( think of an electric turbo) I reckon 2009 should be a good year.
      The only downside is apparently the first prototypes are kicking around Ferrari and Mclaren and are Fugly!
    • cloud4197, on 05/21/2008, -0/+1That's not the answer. Senna, Prost & Mansell all had wings and they managed to overtake and entertain just fine. You have to work hard for a goal in football but you still get them, and when they come they mean so much more than a basket in basketball as they're 10 a penny. No one remembers a classic basket compared to a classic goal. Just as overtaking maneuvers in a type of race that sees the lead change about 3 times a lap (such as motorbiking) are far less memorable than a classic battle in F1. I don't think making drivers have to work for a successful overtaking maneuver is a bad thing. I think what's ruined F1 for the best part of the last decade is the fact that drivers no longer need to overtake at all; thanks to re-fueling, they now do all their jockeying for better positions in the pit lane. Fuel stop strategies have ruined the sport as now, a person on a 3 stop and a person on a 2 stop strategy might as well be on different tracks in a different race to each other. At least when all you could stop for was tires it meant that all you could gain was a second or so from having a quicker pit crew, and you had to do the real racing on the track instead of in the pre-race team meeting, trying to figure out how best to pit.
  • silence7, on 04/23/2008, -1/+2They need to return to this, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rU9KjlOlFKs
    Back when men were men, and crash barriers were made out of hay bales....
  • victorh86, on 04/23/2008, -3/+2This writer knows nothing. He leaves out experience, lines, team-mates, the constant change in track conditions and a dozen other things that I can't remember. All these things dictate how a driver gains or loses track position. If anything all the "AERO" involved helps the drivers. Just driving an F1 car is hard in itself. Drivers go through enormous strain from heavy G-forces through corners. Not to mention an F1 car is not the smoothest ride out there. No mirrors. Drivers rely on spotters. Even though F1 cars may be built practically identical to each other, each team can tune there cars differently. The smallest adjustment in tire pressure or a track bar adjustment can mean the biggest difference.
    • victorh86, on 04/23/2008, -1/+0A good driver would use all these things to his advantage.
    • zmigliozzi, on 04/23/2008, -0/+2They have mirrors... G-Forces aren't too bad, yes from a distance they all look similar, open wheeled airfoils in the front and back but look closer at all of those, not 1 team is like the other. Fuel load is also a biggy.
      • victorh86, on 04/23/2008, -1/+0My bad about the mirrors. I was thinking stock car. Even in stock car racing, this still applies.
    • computershack, on 04/23/2008, -1/+0"the constant change in track conditions " BWAHAHAHAHAAAAA
      What changes? From dark grey to a slightly darker grey tarmac? If you want to see REAL changes in track conditions, you should go look at WRC.
    • Pake, on 04/23/2008, -0/+1"He leaves out experience, lines, team-mates, the constant change in track conditions and a dozen other things that I can't remember."
      He's not leaving them out, but rather pointing out that aerodynamics is the most dominating factor in a F1 race.
  • punchinelli, on 04/23/2008, -2/+3The most minute things can result in insane improvements on lap times with these cars. I remember my shop teacher in high school was telling us about Honda or Toyota or some company that developed an F1 car that actually had a turbine vacuum scoop on the front of the car (just a small lip) that sucked up debris off the track as it went faster; the lack of debris and tire particles and all that stuff you can't see allowed the damn car to lap a regular F1 car in testing by like 5 laps so the regulators banned the technology. WTF??
    • zmigliozzi, on 04/23/2008, -2/+1It was probably Honda, because frankly in F1, they suck, no pun intended.
      • hereisjohnny, on 05/05/2008, -0/+1Dude, between the 80's and the 90's, Honda engines won 6 constructor championships.
    • coolbru, on 04/23/2008, -0/+1Unlikely to be anything to do with debris. More likely to be Lotus' ground-effect cars of the late 70s - so much grip they essentially didn't have to slow down for corners.
    • jstone, on 04/23/2008, -0/+5You're thinking of an active downforce system that was developed by Chaparral cars in the 1970s. It used two fans to create suction under the car, and was able to produce far more downforce than simple wings.
  • zmigliozzi, on 04/23/2008, -3/+1Especially with FIA disallowing traction control this year, aerodynamics are all the more important. This person obviously knows nothing about Formula1, he probably watches nascar every sunday. Airfoils keeping tires stuck to the ground is a good thing. The rules and regulations of FIA allow the most freedom for the aerodynamics to each team, that's why each team you see has different Aero packages that are tested in CFD's and windtunnel's for hundreds of hours. Needless to say this man is a writer and probably knows little about physics. I have an Aerospace Engineering friend who studies aerodynamics and is an avid fan on F1. Taking away the aerodynamics of this sport will just make it lemans racing.
    • KaneElson, on 04/23/2008, -1/+3I have a black friend.
    • zmigliozzi, on 04/23/2008, -0/+1Just stating my credibility that I know and follow this sport
    • coolbru, on 04/23/2008, -0/+1I have a friend who does aerodynamics at McLaren (really). I don't have a clue though.
  • quelcertoleo, on 04/23/2008, -2/+4The crucial point is that F1 is the pinnacle of tecnology applied to a 4 wheel vehicle with the only goal of lapping faster.
    Aerodynamics is one of the main tecnologies to use in order to drive fast, period.
    Logically, if all tecnology would be applied without restrictions we would have 1500+ hp turbo engines with ground effect that would do over 400kph and lap around Monza in one minute...the difficult part of the whole system is in fact balancing how much tecnology can be applied in order to keep F1 the pinnacle of tecnology but at the same time keep the human aspect of the driver that wins due to his abilities.
    • Viriatus2, on 04/23/2008, -0/+4i really would like to see F1 like that, without ANY restrictions, except perhaps size of the car and no wings lol. Now that would be very fun to watch.
      • Cerebron, on 04/23/2008, -0/+0Driver skill is pretty darn important when you are trying to navigate the twisty track at mach 2.
  • Number23, on 04/23/2008, -1/+3Good racing = more power than grip.
    • zmigliozzi, on 04/23/2008, -1/+1Because hitting walls because you have no traction is fun...
      • Number23, on 04/23/2008, -0/+1No stupid, because the better driver can better manage available grip and balance it between braking, cornering and acceleration. F1 cars can’t follow each other closely because the following car can’t get enough air over the front wing and that only makes passing more difficult.

        If you want proof, watch the next Moto GP race. Lots of power, precious little grip and nearly ever race is fought to the last lap.

        Go Hayden!
  • synagence, on 04/23/2008, -0/+4Less aero more mechanical grip = sit behind car in front hassling him until he makes mistake or sit on tail through corners and get superb tow down straight and overtake
  • smacksaw, on 04/23/2008, -1/+2It saddens me that they're removing the technology because as a consumer, I count on racing to develop and test the technology that trickles down to my automobile. I think that's the one main responsibilities for the constructors and manufacturers, which is to keep pushing the envelope of technology.

    As far as driver skill goes, yes - if we measure it by them doing a repetitive task like a robot, which is a flawless execution of driving and strategy. But I also think there is skill in adapting to the unknown and taking risks. That's what happens with less aerodynamics.

    Look. I think you can have both. Back off the aerodynamics a bit. Create more opportunities for drivers to drive. That's skill. And then you still get the "best driver" of them being a robot as they push their car's aerodynamics to the limit.

    I don't know if anyone saw the article about the hybrid system, but having that and the turbo would be pretty nice. If we MUST keep the aerodynamics, having those two systems could create opportunities for overtaking. I love F1 and I want it to be as exciting as it once was.
    • computershack, on 04/23/2008, -0/+0"It saddens me that they're removing the technology because as a consumer, I count on racing to develop and test the technology that trickles down to my automobile."
      I wouldn't worry because there's not the strangulation in World Rally Championship that there is in F1 basically because there's so much that can happen that it doesn't make that much of a difference what technology is implemented. Also as they're more based on production cars, the technology in WRC is more relevent.
    • Le3f, on 04/23/2008, -0/+1http://www.motorauthority.com/news/motorsport/brak ...

      ^You're more likely to see something "trickle down" now than ever before.
  • 3leggedHorse, on 04/23/2008, -1/+4 Turbo F1 again would be cool. Current F1 is a boring pile of doggy do.
  • lignow, on 04/23/2008, -3/+3They should build a few tracks that can handle the 230/240 MPH.
    Long straight stretches, 90° banked corners, fuel capacities for one stop
    Controllable airfoils, controllable suspension,
    Unlimited high tech


    • KaneElson, on 04/23/2008, -0/+3Yeah because that would be interesting *sigh*
      Acellerate down the straight
      slow down
      turn
      Repeat

      You need some interesting tight turns and weaving sections or boringness ensues.
      • Cerebron, on 04/23/2008, -0/+0lignow has a point though, it's easier to make silly rules regarding the cars than to make needed adjustments to the track.
  • fandyboy, on 04/23/2008, -0/+5The only reason aero has become so important is the removal of mechanical grip.
    Solution, reintroduce slicks, restrict aero and boost power with the KERS system. That way cars won't be so sensitive about being in the "dirty" air.
  • 360news, on 04/23/2008, -1/+2You have asked a question with the headline and then answered that question in the lead paragraph... so I don't need to read the article.
  • Duositex, on 04/23/2008, -1/+1I really hate headlines with question marks. The obvious reason to ask a question in a headline is that the answer you are implying is YES. "Do Dinosaurs Have More In Common With Our Ancestors Than We Thought?" Well if you answered no why would you ask the damn question? It isn't good journalistic or editorial practice, and it isn't interesting to read. Knock it off.
  • karan1003, on 04/23/2008, -0/+1Maybe it is - Offensive and defensive moves have to be executed that much more quickly, to avoid burning your engine.

    But the things is, they have been around for so long, and I've seen good, competitive seasons with wings. I wouldn't single that out as the reason.
  • GoatMonkey2112, on 04/23/2008, -0/+2Speed should be regulated by the allowed amount of fuel in the car, not by a huge list of rules.

    For example, the cars get 25 gallons (or whatever is determined) to travel their ~70 laps. They are allowed to use any size engine, turbos, hybrid, active suspension, traction control, active aero, pretty much any possible way to finish those laps without refueling. If they go too fast, give them less gas.

    The only rules about the car design would be for safety reasons.
    • zmigliozzi, on 04/23/2008, -0/+1The only thing that is built on safety is the chassis, 5-point harness and the HANS system. Putting safety into cars adds weight.
      • GoatMonkey2112, on 04/23/2008, -0/+1I'm not suggesting any changes to the safety standards. That is one thing that would have to stay the same with my suggested rules.
  • cyberdependent, on 04/23/2008, -2/+1Screw F1, INDYCAR IS BACK, BABY!!!!
    • Le3f, on 04/23/2008, -0/+2CAPS LOCK, LEFT TURNS, CRASHES, REDNECKS, YEAHHHH!
      • cyberdependent, on 04/23/2008, -0/+1Excuse me, I believe the word you're looking for is: "YEEEEEEEHAAAAAAWWWW!!11!!"

        I refuse to recognize F1 as long as Baron Bernie and Max Mosley have anything to do with it.

        Also: Indycars do, on very special occasions, turn right.
  • Chirp08, on 04/23/2008, -0/+2"races decided on pit stops rather than driver skill. "

    What a bitter douchebag, part of the race is fuel strategy, it's a skill to win based on that. The fact is she covered the exact same distance and did it faster then the rest of the field. You don't see someone complaining when a kid wins a track meet because he saved all his energy for the last 2 laps as opposed to going all out for the whole race, and this is no different. The fact is that when you are all running within tenths of a second of each other every driver is just as skilled, people don't realize how hard it is to be that consistent racing against yourself, as opposed to a bunch of other cars.
  • Samohtneas, on 04/23/2008, -0/+1Let's all just agree that motorsports in general rock, and let the committee's of each do what they want, since it's a fat chance they'll listen to us anyway.
  • nydwarf, on 04/24/2008, -0/+1When are they going to introduce Hybrids?
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