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- riseinhell, on 06/19/2009, -2/+40I kind of see where the teams are coming from. It's unrealistic for the likes of Ferrari to scale back operations that much in such a short period of time. At the same time, the part I always hated about F1 was how a few big teams were always going to win the championship, and the smaller teams pretty much have no chance. That meant the drivers of the smaller teams, no matter how good they were, were never going to win races.
A budget cap is/was a good idea, but both sides should have got together to discuss how they were going to implement it (like the CBA in the NFL). Saying, BAM! £40 million cap next year was definitely the wrong way to go about it. - Acesolid, on 06/19/2009, -1/+37They deserve it, for this year they cancelled the Canadian grand prix of Montreal, on the Gilles Villeneuve track, one of the oldest and most exciting racetracks in the world (and also home to a Nascar Nationwide race every year, and hopefully soon a Sprint cup race) to replace it by a race in Abu Dhabi, where nobody gives a crap about F1.
- fraul, on 06/19/2009, -3/+38Max Mosley's achievements page (http://www.fia.com/en-GB/the-fia/about-fia/Pages/F ... can finally state
2009: Completely ruining the F1 as we know it
That nazi bitch (http://digg.com/motorsport/F1_Boss_Max_Mosley_in_N ... - SummerofGeorge, on 06/19/2009, -0/+34deserved; the heads at FIA have ***** themselves with greed
- nickbottomley, on 06/19/2009, -0/+32I wonder if they'll go back to the V10's, that'd be sweet
- nigelmansell, on 06/19/2009, -1/+26good for FOTA.
Hope they race in SilverStone. I'm sick of FIA putting pressure on racetrack organizations for more money, more upgrades and at the end pull out the event entirely. USA, CANADA, Silverstone Stop going to places where no one gives a crap BAHRAIN, ABU DHABI
And No more money funding Mosley's Nazi Fetish. - inchrnt, on 06/19/2009, -0/+23If practically every team has to leave the sport (sans williams) just to get rid of Max and Bernie, then there is clearly something fundamentally wrong with the balance of power in F1.
Screw Max and his lunacy. Screw Bernie and his monopolistic dictatorship. - pseudostatik, on 06/19/2009, -2/+24Isn't F1 a sport that is about the pinnacle of technology and motorsports? Why is it that the cars are going slower every year (I remember back in the late 90s when even ***** cars like the Arrows go way past 340kmh and now even front runners barely hit 300). Or with FIA introducing half baked technologies? KERS anyone?
Sure I know the safety argument, but isn't a sport like F1 supposed to solve it with technological advancements, instead of making the cars even more primitive in some aspects than your plain vanilla honda civics? Sheesh.
F1's lost its soul. I sure hope FOTA can do a better job than FIA - tpmidd, on 06/19/2009, -2/+19Formula 1 on digg. Dugg.
- gavincato, on 06/19/2009, -1/+17***** MAX MOSLEY
- pdileepa, on 06/19/2009, -0/+13Let's list what Mad Max and Bernie the Greedy (in summation) have done over the last couple of seasons:
* Introduced more rule changes than anytime in the history of F1.
* Increased cost due to these constant rule changes.
* Taken unilateral decisions over pretty much everything.
* Introduced many new Hermann Tilke designed circuits, which have absolutely no character.
* Removed some of the best circuits from F1 - San Marino, Montreal and now Silverstone come to mind.
And on top of all these, Bernie the Greedy eats up most of the F1 revenue! Who in their right minds would want to race for FIA and Bernie? - FattyCorpuscle, on 06/19/2009, -0/+13***** Max
***** Bernie
***** Tilkedromes
***** V8s (except in musclecars)
***** forcing engineers to design their way around rules designed to slow them down instead of advancing racing technology - datacowboy, on 06/19/2009, -0/+12Hmmm, wonder which series I'll be watching?
Ferrari, Brawn, Red Bull, Toyota, Renault, McLaren, BMW and so on.
Or Force India and some other seasonal laggards?
Yeah, I wonder. Am I interested in F1 because of the money, technology, and teams. Or is it all about Max and Bernie? - CaptainSoviet, on 06/19/2009, -0/+11Good, now we don't have to wait for Max and Bernie to die of old age and stop ruining the pinnacle of motorsport.
- chroko, on 06/19/2009, -0/+11It is an issue of safety - but these aren't the types of safety problems that can be solved by airbags and seatbelts.
If the technology was unlimited they would have super-experimental 1000+ hp engines, top-secret compound racing tires - and crazy ground-effect packages. The computer-controlled drivetrain would couple traction control with electronic brakes - and it would be tuned beyond human abilities. Drivers would then basically just steer while the computer works the throttle and brakes.
But the problem with all that technology - unlike the advancements that go into, eg, a Honda Civic - is that it pushes the edge of how it is physically possible to drive a car around the track. The technology limitations were originally imposed because when you're right on that edge - and something goes wrong - people die.
For example: the ground effect packages they had at one point suctioned the car to the road. But taking any damage at speed instantly destroys such a car's aerodynamics. The car becomes uncontrollable (likely airborne). And no airbag in the world will prevent a driver from being killed when hitting a wall (concrete or otherwise) at 200mph.
Sure, there are likely a lot of ***** rules lately, but the spirit of the limitations (engine size, types of tires, limits on computer intervention) - was partly to stop people from being killed; partly to stop it from turning into a race to make the best computer controls. - slicecom, on 06/19/2009, -1/+11The track was already due to be completely resurfaced for the 2009 race so that was not the issue AT ALL.
It all came down to Bernie getting more money from oil rich middle eastern countries to host races that nobody can afford to attend. Last race at Istanbul (on the traditional Montreal race weekend) there were 40,000 people; Montreal hosted over 300,000 per race. - qaz0101, on 06/19/2009, -0/+10The current rules are too restrictive, and F1's emphasis on making the race 'sporting' and 'entertaining' are misguided. There should be fewer rules and more emphasis on having the best drivers competing in the ultimate expressions of what a car can be. Further, the rules make the cars too artificial and less practical to the constructors, who have to pour millions of dollars into making a car to abide to a set of arbitrary rules.
Instead, if the constructors were able to do whatever they wanted, the cars they produce would be technological leaps forward in automotive engineering, instead of minor tweaks in aerodynamics and weight savings. While I feel that F1 has made great strides in ensuring the safety of the drivers, they really need to scale back the restrictions on engine size and down force. Until the FIA realizes that the constructors need an incentive for entering the races, they will continue to have troubles, since it's easier for a car company to buy billboard space at a tennis match than build a racecar. I hope the FOTA people can do much better at making a interesting series than the FIA.
P.S. Maybe they can bring back the American Grand Prix! - saucy05, on 06/19/2009, -0/+9Can someone explain to me why Max Mosley still has his job?
Forget what he has done with F1, after the sex scandal the only person i would expect to still retain his job would be a dictator. But this guy somehow still convinces his fellow board members, that he is best fit for the job. whether you hate him or not, you have to give it to this guy for his ego. - geekd, on 06/19/2009, -1/+10At last! I have been waiting for the teams to finally stick it to Max forever! Max has now officially ruined F1. Yay Max! Good job there, buddy.
- damack, on 06/19/2009, -1/+9The thing about F1 racing is your talking about cars with often hundreds of millions in state of the art technology.
Your talking about the very pinnacle of engines.
When your talking about getting the very best on the planet and putting them on a track if you put in a couple of small fish they are not going to get very far.
It's like making an elite boxing division and then putting in Tyson, Ali, Frazier and a few other all time greats and then deciding to put in a couple of average heavyweights.
In that scenario it's easy to tell the average fighters are not going to get very far but it's still fun watching the titans battle it out.
Last year it was a strictly Mclaren vs Ferrari thing without a doubt but in a split second Hamilton overtook a car getting just enough points to beat out Massa who had already crossed the line.
F1 racing does seem to be a battle of titans but when those pinnacles of motorsports collide the result is always interesting. - SaxmanTrav, on 06/19/2009, -0/+8I think some of the new teams that applied to get into the 2010 F1 series but weren't accepted (e.g. Prodive/Aston Martin) would be more than happy to get into a racing series with these guys.
- hangingchad, on 06/19/2009, -2/+9I'd love to see a series where there are no regulations except that the minimum number of wheel be 4. No restrictions on engine size, cylinders, fuel type, fuel tanks, aero, etc. This would lead to cars looking vastly different from each other. Outside the box thinking would be encouraged. Innovations and tech breakthroughs would be encouraged. Smaller teams could be competitive if they managed to come up with a totally new innovation.
The current system heavily favors teams with money because designs are pigeon holed into rigid definitions of what is legal and what is not. In the old days, the 6 wheeled elf, or the Lotus with aerodynamic downforce would never have been created. You can't create an even playing field by limiting budgets or design parameters, so do away with restrictions totally to create a level playing field. - Frooshoe, on 06/19/2009, -1/+8YesYesYes. Bring back Montreal Bring back (though it hasn't really gone) Silverstone. Bring back the screaming V12 power days and all the best drivers using every ounce of technology available to them. Let Max and Bernie sell out the Arabs who have no stake in the history of this sport. Thank you Ferrari, Mclaren, Brawn and shove it up your ass Max.
- danielfoo, on 06/19/2009, -4/+11Did u even watch the canadian race last year?
The condition of the track was attrocious, they had to put some sort of last minute residue just so the road would hold together during the race.
but yes, i still agree that FIA can go root themselves for implementing such rules. - skit4king, on 06/19/2009, -0/+7If everyone is even then it would make for a very unexciting race like the A1GP. Bored the poo out of me.
F1 uncapped FTW! - inactive, on 06/19/2009, -0/+7The big budget teams have got their asses Handed to them by the little team plenty of times
Renault two championship with Also came at a time when their budget was half of that of the Ferraris
Benetton Ruled in the 90's and they too never had a big budget
and the best example where Brawn this year. - SuperCujo, on 06/19/2009, -0/+6FOTA said to the FIA that they agreed to a reduction of budgets over a number of years. That still wasn't fast enough for Max.
Other issues the teams didn't like was the year to year fiddling with the rules without consultation with the manufacturers.
The FIA have ***** this up for themselves.
Oh, and Bernie hasn't paid some funds to the teams that were due to them from as far back as 2006. Tens of millions of dollars are involved here. - EyeCandyDP, on 06/19/2009, -0/+6It's about time this happened. Sick of Bernie and his little mans syndrome ruining what was once a great sport. And how Max Mosley has the front to stay in his position after his Nazi romp I do not know. I watched touring cars last weekend which is far more interesting to watch, with the 3 races and the grid changing due to previous races results.
What about Bernies proposed plan to have the guys who wins the most races, take the title. I think this proves how much the little ***** has lost it. After the second race of the season it would just be a two horse race, and if it had been implemented this year, Jenson would need only another 3 wins and he would have won the title just over half way through the season.
Get rid of Bernie and Max, preferrabley over a cliff, and bring back some of the old circuits ie Montreal and Spa as these new tracks are boring. Who cares how much negative G the driver is experiencing through a long sweeping corner when there is no chance of him overtaking anyone. - adamk0310, on 06/19/2009, -0/+6Has the IRL vs. CART debacle escaped everyone's memories?
- mooninite, on 06/19/2009, -2/+6Will this spur Max and Bernie into finally offering F1 in HD? I doubt it.
The new Formula sport will most likely be in HD and F1 will still be in SD. One of the most visible reasons why Max and Bernie should be stoned out of FIA. - DirtyBinLV, on 06/19/2009, -0/+4Their business plan presumably envisions FIA quickly going bankrupt without their headliners and this new series then taking over.
I lived in Indianapolis when the CART-IRL split happened. That turned into a debacle that everyone saw coming. Now they're back to one organization after NASCAR ate both of their lunches. - trench47, on 06/19/2009, -0/+4I propose the new series be called "Formula Max" for a variety of reasons.
- Phooka1976, on 06/19/2009, -1/+5I was just starting to get into F1 too.... looks like there is never going to be that next win for Hamilton....
- inactive, on 06/19/2009, -0/+4Add Valencia to the ***** list. Good god that track is boring as hell. Only China turned out to be a great track out of all the new entrants.
- inchrnt, on 06/19/2009, -0/+3agreed
never have the words "safety" and "cost" been so utterly abused - dexter311, on 06/19/2009, -0/+3Something like this exists - have a look at Formula SAE. It's a university/college engineering competition, but the rules are so open you get hundreds of different cars - small, single-cylinder cars with 10" wheels up to big 4-cylinders with 13" wheels, superchargers, turbos, active suspension, steel spaceframes, carbon monocoques, traction/launch control, CVT's... Imagine if the manufacturers competed like this!
Unfortunately these days we'll never see the likes of the Chapparal fan car, the Lotus ground effect cars, the Williams 1993 car with active suspension, the Renault mass damper, all of which was banned.
PS - the 6-wheeled cars were Williams (with 4x rear wheels) or Tyrrells (with 4x front wheels). - datcrazydj, on 06/19/2009, -3/+6It's not in HD.
- dlan4327, on 06/19/2009, -1/+4FTA: "Mosley was insistent on introducing a voluntary £40m budget cap for teams to curtail a "financial arms race" in F1.
But Fota refused to agree to his conditions, prompting championship leader Brawn GP, Ferrari, McLaren, Renault, Toyota, BMW Sauber, Red Bull Racing and Toro Rosso to take their drastic action."
So does this mean that the above mentioned teams will form their own championship?
How will that work? Eight teams isn't really enough to have a decent competition.
Will they bring in new teams? If so, how many? - 1ShotJake, on 06/19/2009, -1/+4I like how that page is 404'd. that makes it even funner
- SuperCujo, on 06/19/2009, -0/+3Add the new Hockenheim to the list of ***** tracks too
- partysan, on 06/19/2009, -0/+3Technological advancements are good, but some are just misplaced in F1 racing, and I'm glad they got rid of them. Like traction control for example. I hope Moto GP does the same.
- Acesolid, on 06/19/2009, -0/+3I understand, but the problem is that the F1 is exchanging historic and popular races for bribes from dictators, and that's wrong!
- Downhiller77, on 06/19/2009, -0/+3I believe this was the most sane think to do. Forget the past and move on. Keep what's good and leave behind what wasn't good for racing.
- SuperCujo, on 06/19/2009, -0/+3That's ok, Rosberg isn't all that good.
- nbcaffeine, on 06/19/2009, -0/+3Problem was that IRL wasn't THAT popular in the states to begin with. Not with NASCAR so insanely huge.
- mooninite, on 06/19/2009, -0/+3No... the FOM feed is only 16:9 480. They use 1080p cameras, but FOM only provides a 480 feed.
You may think it's HD but that's just because it's 16:9. - BurgGuy, on 06/19/2009, -0/+3The Speed HD channel itself is 1080i, unfortunately most of the cameras that are used are low rez, so the image is only as good as the camera taking the picture.
- Johnbinarystar, on 06/19/2009, -0/+3All is not copacetic in the rich boys club house. This is how the rich gentelmen conduct themselves.
That megaglomaniac Ecclestone has got to go. He has ruined what should be golden goose, by turning it into
a quarrlesome bunch of spoiled children. F1 had been goind downhill eversince the 70s. Every year is just gets more boring and more constricted, and more and more of the press about it concerns the soap opera spats thrown by the dictator and his privileged competitors. - BelatedHero, on 06/20/2009, -0/+2And don't forget Fuji. Suzuka is far better.
- partysan, on 06/19/2009, -2/+4This is all a battle of egos between Mosley and di Montezemolo. There are already numerous races in countries where nobody gives a flying ***** about F1. Ferrari profited from the FIA for years, and they get more money than any other team through special contracts. And because of that, they agreed to race until 2012. Both sides want the same, for the F1 to become cheaper. But nobody is willing to give in. Thanks for destroying this sport *****.
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