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- Nitro187, on 10/12/2007, -2/+63Ok.... if this was ever found out in any Las Vegas casino, their rep would be destroyed, and be run out of town. Dugg for the coolness of the table for at home poker games, but I came close to marking as inaccurate due to the title.
By the way.... why no picture to the 'how' page, rather than just a video of a guy flipping a card? - ho0ber, on 10/12/2007, -3/+43I'm pretty sure if it was actually using x-rays and someone found out, they would be in much deeper ***** for the risks associated with extended x-ray exposure (as well as the obvious gambling fraud).
You know those lead vests they make you wear at the dentists? they aren't just for looks. - Hardcase, on 10/12/2007, -1/+33Their rep and their asses - they'd be thrown under the bus by the gambling commission. Besides, the odds already favor the house so there's no need.
- Highfinance, on 10/12/2007, -0/+25I guess that explains why my local blackjack dealer always wears a Lead apron and those strange glasses.
- pentomino, on 10/12/2007, -1/+23Casinos don't need to see your cards. In poker, they take a percentage of all chips put into play, called a "rake". You take $100 and buy less than $100 worth of chips from the dealer, or so I've heard.
Are there any table games where the house could gain any advantage by seeing the player's cards? In Blackjack, for example, the only face-down card is the dealer's hole card. - piratearggghhh, on 10/12/2007, -5/+22Or people will wonder...Hey Bob, how come I can see the bones in your hand?
- donte, on 10/12/2007, -0/+16Only the true poker gurus risk prolonged exposure to an aggressive carcinogen to win a few hands.
- devin_mm, on 10/12/2007, -0/+15In casino poker it is my understanding you don't play against the house, it's against the other patrons of the casino. As said before the casino takes a 'rake' so no matter who wins the casino always takes money.
- Nitro187, on 10/12/2007, -1/+14I think both clips are the same video, one using special glasses that can see the light penetrate the table & cards. Maybe UV sensitive? I don't know.
- curios, on 10/12/2007, -2/+13If this were x-rays it would pose a health risk.
Must be infra red? - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+11I thought it was all the free alcohol (to impair your judgement) + the lure of winning easy money (which leads to the "just one more try and I can make all of my money back" mentality) + the fact that the odds are almost always in the house's favor (it's a business after all, their job is to make money)
- jguy584, on 10/12/2007, -1/+11Edit:
http://www.hoagieshouse.com/IR/
This link is better then the wikihow one. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+121) Casinos are in it to make money. Every game you play where the casino is the opponent, the house has the odds.
2) If you lose you think I'll put in more money and win it back! Then reference #1. - drumist, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9@pentomino
>Casinos don't need to see your cards. In poker, they
>take a percentage of all chips put into play, called a
>"rake". You take $100 and buy less than $100 worth
>of chips from the dealer, or so I've heard.
Close. They do take a rake, but a rake is not what you described. When you buy chips, you get exactly the value you requested. If you changed your cash into chips and back into cash, you'd have exactly as much as you started.
In each hand of poker, a small amount (generally 2-5% I would guess, but it varies) of the total value of chips in the pot (i.e., chips that are currently in play) is removed from the table and given to the house. The remainder of the pot is awarded to the winner of that hand (or split, as appropriate). - totorototoro, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9Casinos make money on poker regardless-you aren't winning or losing to the house, but to other sucke..players like yourself. Why would they bother to see the cards?
- jguy584, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10Its near-infrared light, it works on the same principle as those "x-ray" see-through-peoples-clothes video cameras. Your eyes cant see the light, but cameras without an IR filter can.
Here is a cool trick to make your webcam into one of these
http://www.wikihow.com/Make-a-Webcam-Into-an-Infrared-Camera - Chompy, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9"Though i wouldn't put it past the casinos."
I would. Casinos are big business, and they already have the odds; why risk losing your license? I can't speak for anywhere else, but here in Vegas the NGC has roving inspectors out all over the place, every day. If something like this was happening and it got out, it could cost billions of dollars in lost tourist dollars.
So in short, it's not happening because it simply wouldn't make financial sense. These are all massive corporations, it's not the 1950s here.. and no financially shakey casino is going to bail itself out by cheating at the tables. - jwvelez, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7Exactly. During a poker game, casinos take in a "rake" every pot; a small amount of money, which is pretty much their commission, regardless if you win or not.
- hereisandy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7Casinos don't need to cheat, the odds are already in their favor. Its simple statistics
- jtown, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9Wow. So much ignorance.
First of all, the house never needs to see the cards. Especially in poker since they're not involved in the game at all. Even games where the house is involved, the house must always act the same, regardless of what the players have. I can't think of a single casino card game where this would give the house an advantage.
Second, in every card room I've played in, the rake is a set amount based on the stakes of the game and the number of players at the table. Say 8 players in a game with 2/4 blinds, 1.5 goes to the rake. I've seen some card rooms that take an additional rake at later stages in the hand. That's just plain greedy and I've only seen it in places that have no direct competition.
Taking a percentage of the pot would be time consuming. The dealer would have to count up the pot and calculate the cut for every hand. Nevermind the fact that percentage rakes are generally illegal.
The only place this would work is in a home game where the host wants to cheat. But that would be an incredible amount of work just to set up. Nevermind getting everyone to put their cards in exactly the right spot every single time. And it would require an accomplice in another room to do the actual snooping. A whole lot easier to just roll you and dump your body in the desert. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7I need to comment on this: The odds are ALWAYS in the house's favor. Every single game. I challenge you to find a single one where that isn't the case, because then I'm going to take that information and sell it to the casino's for several hundred million dollars.
At first I thought this was a fluroscope, which is based on Xray tech, but no.The low level IR is the best choice here: No radiation, works fine on the cards (red and black pigments block the light, the back isn't solid so you see it come through. If it were a 5 of diamonds, the difference would be less obvious, but obvious still. - vafada, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7Marked as lame.... doubt casinos are using this table
- kjinx, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4The funny part of this is the word "some" .... as if there are other casinos that don't own your ass every time.
- violentvinyl, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5EDIT: Got beat to it, but heres another link/explanation for you anyway...
@ Nitro187
Good guess. A little known feature of back and white cameras vs. color cameras is that they can see in the dark in the presence of infrared light. The benefit to this being that people cannot see infrared light. So you shine a bright enough infrared light under the card into a black and white camera, and you will be able to see the dark spots (the suit and number) on the card.
The reason color cameras don't pick up infrared light is because they specifically filter out infrared light (an IR filter). I forget exactly why they do this, but it has to do with it affecting the cameras ability to see color.
More info: http://www.howstuffworks.com/nightvision.htm - hinterteile, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4No it's not. The IR camera is closer to the cards than the regular camera.
- GenghisTom, on 10/12/2007, -6/+8Actually, those lead vests you wear at the dentist or in the hospital ARE just for looks. For x-rays to be absorbed by lead, the lead has to be much thicker than the vests they make you wear. As you can clearly see in this chart from NIST, the energy the x-ray photon loses is not sufficient to effectively protect the wearer from long-term adverse effects.
http://physics.nist.gov/PhysRefData/XrayMassCoef/ElemTab/z82.html - interiot, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3The glowing light only appeared in the non-visible camera... I assume it was some sort of radiation source that can't be seen?
- weird0science, on 10/12/2007, -3/+5How it was done:
http://digg.com/mods/How_it_was_Done_X_Ray_Poker_Table - objbuilder, on 10/12/2007, -5/+6Nice try.. but this is fake. Look at the following picture:
http://static.flickr.com/117/293990052_2f82260023.jpg?v=0
Even though the angles are slightly off, this picture shows a completely different index finger position. - TheReport, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2where can I get sunglasses made with that table? ;)
- digitalunltd, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1OK, retards. First obviously its inferred. Second obviously no reputable casino uses this. Third why not just point the camera at the guys hand? well same reason you don't do this:
Wouldn't you notice the dealer looking into a TV with your hand showing? - GenghisTom, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Infrared light *should* show with red ink also, because the red that we see is a different wavelength light than infrared. The black ink is black because it absorbs all visible light. the red ink is red because it absorbs all visible light EXCEPT red light. However, as I stated above, the ink is PROBABLY not made of infrared light absorbing material.
- Hurricane, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Anybody with an IQ higher than 3 knows that it is statistically impossible to come out on top more than a few dollars at a casino, unless you count cards or cheat somehow, anyway if you win too much they kick you out.
- conwayblue, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Marked as inaccurate.
Seeing your cards would not increase the casinos chance of winning. First you don't play against the house when playing regular poker at a casino, the house just takes a rake from every hand dealt and you play against other losers such as yourself.
In other card games where you do play against the house, such as blackjack, the dealer plays by a specific set of rules and the dealer has no decisions to make much less care what the players have. - ArmandoM, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2merreborn:
I think I'd notice that under the table. - pentomino, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1There was a lower-tech version of this trick that goes back to the 19th Century. I saw it on the History Channel, on Wild West Tech.
By using a pale yellow "invisible" ink, like lemonade, a cheat could mark the back of a playing card in such a way that the human eye couldn't see it normally. The cheat would play the game wearing blue tinted glasses, so that the pale yellow marks would show up as dark grey. The result is essentially the same as wearing X-ray glasses.
This same principle was used to discover the yellow markings that color printers have been hiding on color printouts, to help the Secret Service catch counterfeiters. - volsung, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2@violentvinyl
The IR filter on the color camera is to prevent the IR from being picked up by the red sensors. Otherwise, the color would appear to be distorted by the IR reflected/emitted from the object. (This would be wicked awesome in our natural vision. Hot objects would have their color distorted slightly. I'm sure with a little practice, we could make use of the temperature information.) - Toloran, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Meh, makes no difference: If I want to have fun, I play poker. If i want to try and make money, I play blackjack. In blackjack, this wouldn't make a difference if you are the house.
- expertblogger, on 03/03/2008, -0/+0I'm not getting how this works. I have to have some sort of monitor setup to actually see the x-ray shot, right? (or be Superman, which I'm not). First obviously its inferred. Second obviously no reputable casino uses this. Third why not just point the camera at the guys hand? well same reason you don't do this. http://chemicaleme.info
http://physicalore.info
http://slowwoe.info - traced76, on 02/08/2008, -0/+0I dont know, sometimes i do well and sometimes i dont. I think overall the odds arent in our favor.
http://123casinoaction.info - haynesey89, on 09/11/2008, -0/+0I remember when i went to Vegas i got owned!
But you have to remember casino's are there to make money, you can't always get lucky.
http://www.pokerbonusroll.com - rhyno2000, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Hey, did anyone know the casino takes a rake in poker no matter what, and thus seeing hole cards would be irrelevant? Just thought I'd get that out of the way quickly.
Now onto reading the beginning of the thread... - crapsplayer, on 10/10/2007, -0/+0That's crazy. That is why when I play I try my best to make enough to pay for my trip and then I quit, because casinos will get you every time.
http://www.craps-player.com - cvanaver, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Except for video poker....if you play it right, there can be a slight (very slight) edge for the player. Personally, I'd rather just surrender my rake to the house and take the money of others at a real table....
Learned this on the Discovery channel (I think) years ago about people who play video poker professionally. This site gives a high-level overview, but I'm sure there are better ones out there.
http://wizardofodds.com/videopoker - wacki, on 10/12/2007, -3/+3I flagged it as inaccurate. Casinos don't do this!
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