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- benbread, on 10/12/2007, -7/+168Now watch as Win XP piracy skyrockets!
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+146Windows XP will be used for many years to come...even more than 95 or 98 was.
- fcekuahd, on 10/12/2007, -22/+103Yep, it's going to be the only way to get it soon. I'll take a faster OS over a little eye candy and a kludge of lame "security" hacks any day.
- outhouseinput, on 10/12/2007, -13/+75Regardless of what issues you may have, the bottom line is that this operating system is too new to be switching over to it completely. XP is still the operating system of choice for most people right now (I said MOST, notice that), and it probably won't be budged until Vista is stable and compatible enought to warrant a sweeping change of operating systems.
Right now, seeing a bunch of windows in a 3-d diagonal thingy isn't enough for me. It does look cool, but so does my fridge. I don't see anyone clamoring over a fridge. Gorilla! - JonForTheWin, on 10/12/2007, -8/+55Ah so vista is actually good for /something/, to drive up the sales of xp. It all makes sense now.
- arnab13, on 10/12/2007, -8/+52Same story here - I am a lifelong Windows user at home, and over time have used a variety of *NIX systems at work. Last week i bought my first Mac, and believe me, Vista has played a big part in that decision. I am keeping my last unused legal copy of XP as a backup, just in case i decide to get a new PC down the line. My simple logic against Vista - I cannot trust an OS that does not trust me as a user :-)
- MyBigRed, on 10/12/2007, -4/+46For the record, ME still sucks.
- luxette, on 10/12/2007, -11/+52Buy your WinXP OEM disks while you still can.
- spencewah, on 10/12/2007, -6/+46My biggest issue with Vista is that it wouldn't run my copy of After Effects or Maya properly (two apps I use almost every day).
- Duston, on 10/12/2007, -7/+41@benbread (#6124678)
Why would it go up? They are only removing OEM Licenses. Businesses will buy open licenses and load XP in house. At least that is what I am going to do at our firm. - TheG2, on 10/12/2007, -23/+53Vista runs flawlessly for me.
At first there were problems with the Adobe CS2 suite, but they went away luckily. And as far as Maya...I run it no problem, actually its running as I type this ( render times :( ).
And its not just eye candy, theres a ton of useful features in here that are such an improvement over XP. - Shirokun, on 10/12/2007, -10/+36Don't get us wrong.
If we don't like vista it's not because we want to screw microsoft. It's because we don't want microsoft to screw us.
Every computer with Vista installed means one step closer to Trusted Computing, DRM and the loss of Freedom... Of course, the standard computer user won't care about this until it's too late.
Learn More:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1H7omJW4TI
http://www.againsttcpa.com/ - ajb2015, on 10/12/2007, -29/+54I, for one, will never switch to Vista. I'm a lifetime Windows user, but earlier this year I installed my first linux distro. Now I only pray game developers start making games for linux before XP becomes too outdated.
- bobcrotch, on 10/12/2007, -3/+26You will still be able to buy XP discs for quite some time, up until a year or so ago you could still buy 2000 media direct from Microsoft.
- bobcrotch, on 10/12/2007, -11/+29Does anyone remember when Windows 95/98/98b/me/2000/xp came out? Does anyone remember the masses of people saying how horrible each and every version was?
Obviously it's not to bad or else 70% of you wouldn't be using it right now.
Each of their products have a life cycle (good) and XP won't be phased out fully until 2012 I think it was, support wise anyhow. Just because you can't buy a fantastic new Dell or any other pre-packaged computer doesn't mean it's not available. You can redeem your Vista license for an XP license via Microsoft. Just like you could with exchange XP for 2000. You can still buy media direct from them.
The way I look at it though is the general consumer should be using what ever operating system is main stream at the time. Trying to dig up old drivers or get new software to run on an old OS is frustrating and a waste of time. Most people just hate change and blurt out what ever happens to be streaming across their favorite news source.
Of course Vista is bad and evil, it's new and made by Microsoft, what other type of reaction would you expect? How many people have actually used Vista and have legitmate gripes? For normal users (including gamers, minus some SLi support) I have had zero problems what so ever on new laptops and desktops. The only problem you're going to run into is applications with 16 bit installers or other 16 bit portions. I'm sorry but get with the times, there is probably a new version of Winamp or Winzip that you can use =/ - bobcrotch, on 10/12/2007, -0/+18Thats actually a great thing for MS too, any of their new operating systems can suck but I highly doubt we will see anything even close to as horrible as ME.
- 7of7, on 10/12/2007, -54/+71What "ongoing issues?" I've been running it flawlessly for almost 4 months now. I can't believe the level of FUD that is being put out about Vista.
- SillyRabbits, on 10/12/2007, -5/+21They aren't getting rid of XP, it's just that in January of next year you won't be able to get your Dell order shipped with a cheap version of XP on it (instead of Vista). I'm sure most builders will still offer the XP OS as an option, it's just that you'll have to pay a little more because they'll have to use the retail version if you really want it. There's not really any reason to start hording copies of XP. It's going to be around for a long time.
- ConceptJunkie, on 10/12/2007, -4/+19No, but you'll have to pay the Microsoft tax on a copy of Vista and _then_ have to go out an buy a copy of XP.
Microsoft will get you coming and going. If they can't get you to upgrade because the new OS is better, they'll fall back on their monopoly status to force you to buy it any way.
I predict demand for OS-less computers will skyrocket. - CaptMonkey, on 10/12/2007, -2/+16I'm dual booting Vista and XP right now, but the reason I'm doing that is I'm having issues with some things in Vista that work flawlessly in XP. That's great that some of you aren't having any issues with hardware or software that you use, but some of us are. I don't see any reason to punish myself just so I can switch over completely.
- bobothn, on 10/12/2007, -2/+16YOu can still buy xp disk but not at oem pricing.who wants to pay more than $120 for xp pro?
- dougsnell, on 10/12/2007, -2/+15Although much of what has been said about Vista is FUD, don't discount every complaint about Vista as FUD. Just because *you* aren't having problems, doesn't mean everyone else is in the same boat as you. The problem with copying files is real, and a fix is available ... ... but only to Premier subscribers. I assume ian13 is being dugg down because of his comment about switching to Win2k ... which is a shame, considering his original point is 100% valid.
Someone did something really stupid by releasing this information in April. Too many vendors have problems with their software to be touting the end of XP 8 months ahead of time. If you relied on an app that didn't work with XP (or experienced the problem with copying files), you'd be freaking about hearing the end of XP, too. - TylerLavite, on 10/12/2007, -0/+13@Fragout
dude i am a Mac and Linux user i never use windows.. ill admit i am a Macfanboy big time.. but i don't get on here and say the stuff you are. you make all us Mac users look like dick heads! - BigSlacker, on 10/12/2007, -5/+18Didn't this same article come out when XP was the new OS being pushed onto PC makers?
- WATYF, on 10/12/2007, -1/+14What on God's green earth would you possibly need 300 simultaneous browser windows open for? Seriously.
- mitrovarr, on 10/12/2007, -0/+13Well, when MS products come out, they're always buggy, incompatible hardware hogs. However, as time passes, the worst bugs get patched, the compatibility gets worked out, and the hardware improves. So they do suck at first, but sometimes they get better. Of course, sometimes they don't (windows me.)
- rmxz, on 10/12/2007, -2/+14@jordangta : "Windows XP [...]"
The biggest problem with Windows XP now is that the vendor supporting it doesn't like it anymore.
Their execs even openly talk about how Windows XP's security has a lot to be desired. Even if that's not true (compared to Vista), they put their necks out saying it isn't true. In that position, which OS do you think will be getting better security updates, Vista or XP? Which will have better support in general?
Technologically, I would trust XP over Vista (since new systems often have flaws in the early part of the product life cycle) -- but unfortunately it's not a simple technological issue. Microsoft wants Vista to win and XP to go away.
And that's dangerous for anyone relying on XP. - ArthurSucks, on 10/12/2007, -1/+13Damn fragout, you sure do have issues. It's just a ***** computer, get over it.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -4/+15"I, for one, will never switch to Vista. I'm a lifetime Windows user, but earlier this year I installed my first linux distro. Now I only pray game developers start making games for linux before XP becomes too outdated."
You're joking, right? MS is making backdoor deals with a few devs to keep their games not only proprietary to the PC, but to Vista through their "games for windows live" *****. - osbjmg, on 10/12/2007, -3/+14I don't see any compelling reason (or any reason at all anyway) to use vista. What does it DO?
- Ioncannon, on 10/12/2007, -2/+12Why make something brand new, when your current OS is stable and fast? For once I liked a Windows OS, that didn't crash and worked well with my pc. Many updates have been created, which have strengthened the security and performance. Now MS releases Vista, and its full of bugs, and incompatibilities. I tried Vista from my MSDN subscription and reinstalled XP after 3 days of that junk on my pc. It has also been very dumbed down, for example file sharing and networking is a hassle cause all the advance options are hidden (or removed). Ill take a somewhat solid OS over something thrown out to compete with OSXs graphical interface (wish I could use a mac, but got no $$$ :( ).
- bobcrotch, on 10/12/2007, -8/+18Your applications probably have 16bit code buried in them somewhere and that is most likely the issue. Thats the most common problem with software that will not run on Vista.
It's a new OS and new patches and or versions of software will be released to make it function. There is a reason why XP will be supported for another 4-5 years (updates, security fixes, ect). No one is forcing anyone to switch to vista. - Yorn, on 10/12/2007, -9/+19You realize that disabling the security prompts is as easy as turning off a service, right?
Seriously, Vista isn't over or under rated. The people that know they need it have switched to it. I'm more concerned with the Windows 64-bit XP and Vista than I am about the 32-bit. Right now, the 64-bit support and drivers are very poorly done, and that's a huge problem for someone considering an OS that does it right (Linux, BSD).
From a sys admin standpoint, I really have to question how many of you complaining about Vista have really used it. I don't like a lot of the same things you do, but it *is* possible to disable UAC, set your desktop back to classic, and forgo aero. - bobothn, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10@Duston
That is what we are doing at my business 2 we already got in 2 dell gx 745's with vista on it and they have xp on them know. My question is why do people with a site license need to buy xp or vista from dell ino rder to buy a pc? - Zidion, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9It took me forever to teach my parents to use XP, im not ready to teach them about vista!
- damentz, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10The piracy is already high, search on popular torrent trackers and notice the large amount of 'releases' of XP each month.
- jbswashington, on 10/12/2007, -6/+14Did you write that Apple ad? Hey everybody, this is so cool, we have the guy who wrote the Apple ad here on Digg! Really! We should ask him some questions while he's reading!
Sir, how did you come up with the idea of making fun of Vista's UAC in your TV ad?
Did you ever worry that you might be over exaggerating the amount of times UAC prompts you?
Did you worry that some of the more idiotic fanboys might try to say that UAC pops up when they post on Digg? Oh, of course not, that would be too stupid even for an idiotoic Apple fanboy on Digg to say. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -9/+16as long as the keep up with security patches i'm happy, give us at least 4-5 more years before pulling a windows 98
- mgrucker, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9This is a complete non-issue. Anyone ever heard of downgrade rights? If you buy Vista Business or Ultimate you have the right to downgrade to XP Pro.
http://download.microsoft.com/download/d/2/3/d23b9533-169d-4996-b198-7b9d3fe15611/downgrade_chart.doc - Halenthal, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8Actually I think it's pushing manufacturers to offer XP again. About two weeks ago I ordered a new Dell for a customer, even though she wanted XP Dell didn't offer it-only Vista. Yesterday I'm ordering a new Dell for another customer and XP is offered again.
The first customer was OK after I wiped the Vista and installed XP for her. - kanned, on 10/12/2007, -10/+16Off the top of my head..
You need a hack to get the ADUC installed. You cannot install the Exchange System Manager on Vista. The deployment toolkit Windows AIK has been pulled from the Microsoft site due to "bugs". Which basicly means you cannot sysprep an image for deployment... etc.. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -3/+9Have to force people to use vista somehow...
- srodolff, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8For all of us who have existing hardware, Vista is VERY expensive.
Why the hell would I want to buy another OS if the one I'm using A) is fairly stable B) runs all the software I want and C) is already paid for?
For me, Vista means a huge expense in the OS and new hardware costs. - Phocion55, on 10/12/2007, -3/+9Stop resisting. Thanks! :)
Love,
Steve Ballmer - ArthurSucks, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7The market share HAS to be getting bigger. A few years ago, I knew only a few people who even knew what Linux was. Now I know a handful of people who run it as their main OS.
- steven401, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6http://www.osx86project.org/
- sam991, on 10/12/2007, -4/+9The difference is that at the time, '98 sucked horribly, ME was an abomination and 2000 hardly saw any use. So XP was actually a big step up, for all its problems. This time around, Vista is a step down.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7I purchased a PC with Vista, and its not that bad. You guys have to remember we were all saying "No XP!" when it came out, instead singing the praises of the "secure and stable" Windows 2000. There ARE compatibility issues with Vista (sometimes with their own software), but lets face it folks - Vista is here to stay. Software manufacturers, PC OEMs, everyone... will be going to Vista ultimately. We can't avoid it forever. Well, you can if you run Linux or a Mac, but I dont (nor do I want to).
- DrStephanHeimer, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6@clearz
"There was 7 years between Windows 95 and XP just think about that"
And there was NOTHING in between that just windows 98, 98se, Windows ME and Windows 2000 - tehkain, on 10/12/2007, -3/+8So a misstep by an opposing OS doesn't lead to more users? If you think that it doesn't then maybe you should come out of your hole. I am not saying it will over throw MS because they are phasing out XP(nothing even close). If ford stops making the model of car you have had for seven years now and when you went to buy a new car who says you'll stick with that brand? Microsoft should not be phasing out XP as soon as they are. As for your comments about linux not gaining market share are you blind or just a troll? Its not near microsoft market share but it is increasing at a decent rate.
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