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- AEdgett77, on 06/26/2008, -142/+1178"Oh, look at me! I do graphic design! I wear women's jeans and hang out in coffee shops! I'm a DJ! Well good for you. My computer is not a fashion statement. It's a computer."
-Greatest statement of this article - Adam420, on 06/25/2008, -451/+1033Windows is way better than Mac.
Linux is great, but not better than Windows..yet
XP ftw - frenchkick, on 06/26/2008, -112/+530Thank you for actually saying something good about windows.
people bitch about it some goddamn much even though it is a good OS
i also switched to a mac for a few months and while i did enjoy some of leopards features, it did just feel dumbed down
and i do agree with him on the bill gates thing, but that didn't really influence my decision - Robozilla, on 06/26/2008, -63/+418I'm a graphic designer.
I use XP. - cerealjynx, on 06/26/2008, -21/+319I have both. That's right, I'm a goddamned dirty halfbreed, and I'm proud of it.
- Soken, on 06/26/2008, -34/+295the computer is just a tool, the best tools are the ones that gets the job done more efficiently, not necessarily the prettiest.
- inactive, on 06/26/2008, -59/+296I like building my own computers. Windows forever.
- tofslie, on 06/26/2008, -186/+405Just skip to the last paragraph:
"But really, when it comes down to it, the main reason I still use Windows is this: I'm stubborn and lazy. I don't want to switch because it will amount to admitting that I've been wrong for the last 15 years or so." - bestfacts, on 06/26/2008, -84/+299Well put. I'm tired of the whole "Mac is cool and Windows is for losers and Microsoft is the devil" attitude today.
And regarding Vista - I was also a die hard XP user, but I have to say I have been VERY pleased with Vista - overall it's a really nice OS and at this point I can't imagine returning to XP. Give Vista a try - don't buy into the anti-Microsoft crowd who automatically bash ANYTHING Microsoft just because it's not a "cool" Mac or Linux product. - ihatehippies, on 06/26/2008, -32/+241Dugg for saying Steve Jobs seems like a greedy dick.
- Urkel, on 06/26/2008, -70/+273"There are over a dozen people working at our fair Gizmodo, but as a Windows user, I'm in a definite minority."
Thats the most important part of the article. The media acts as if the entire planet is Mac but the truth of the matter is that while the guys in the press use macs, 90% of users are still Windows. And it's not people who are "stuck" with their OS, it's people who choose it. - PATSCRU, on 06/26/2008, -27/+170xp sp3 FTFW...also, while we're on the subject, here's what i consider the holy grail of anti-mac tirades:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/story/0,,2 ... - pr0lixity, on 06/26/2008, -56/+185I'm probably the one out of the two people left at my work (my college's computer store) who uses Windows. He's a hardcore XP user, and I absolutely love Vista. The weirdest thing that my bosses have said to me was, "Give it enough time, you'll buy a mac. Everyone here has switched, and won't ever go back." And we admit, we were super tempted to take advantage of a $1499 2.4 high-end MacBook Pro deal at work. And sure enough, I've convinced myself over the months that hey, I really want to get into music editing, and the screen's bigger than my 12.1, etc...
Thanks for this article. It slapped me back into my senses and reassured me that I wasn't a douche for being the only Vista user at the computer store. Like FTA, I absolutely love the feeling of being in complete control of my computer. And its not like I hate macs or anything, I use them solely at work. I think they're great, even despite the air of dumbed-down simplicity surrounding its usability. The only things I hate are the culture and the "hip" factor that surrounds Apple and their products and their users. GOD! I just know that if I buy a mac, people will look at me the same way I look at them: "Oh, look at me! I do graphic design! I wear women's jeans and hang out in coffee shops! I'm a DJ!
Well good for you. My computer is not a fashion statement. It's a computer."
Thanks Adam. I don't feel so alone in this world any more.
(I like vista and I'm not afraid to say it!) - BoomShake007, on 06/26/2008, -103/+211So basically his points are:
1. I've used windows before, so I'm sticking to windows
2. I don't like the fanbase, which has no bearing on evaluating the inherent quality of the system
3. I like being able to tweek everything, which I'd be better off on Linux then.
I've seen some decent defenses of windows before and some decent criticisms of mac. This, however, was garbage all around. - freehunter, on 06/26/2008, -6/+112My biggest problem with Linux (even though I am typing this on my main computer, running Linux, and not in a dual boot, no VMs of XP, and no Wine software installed) is not the number of clicks it takes to do things, but the number of times I need to go to the command line in a day. If, in an average week, I need to go to the command line more than, let's say, once, it's too much. Want to install a downloaded file? Gotta do it on the command line, unless it is a .deb file (rpm, etc, per distro).
Even on the most user friendly distro out there, Ubuntu, if the file is not in Synaptic or available as a .deb, you have to sudo, then sh, ./, or worse yet, compile, just to install a program. Why not a binary double click? Yes, the files size will be larger due to needed libraries, but suck it up, I'm sick of chmod'ing and ./'ing. - wolferz, on 06/26/2008, -6/+106"Ultimately the campaign's biggest flaw is that it perpetuates the notion that consumers somehow "define themselves" with the technology they choose. If you truly believe you need to pick a mobile phone that "says something" about your personality, don't bother. You don't have a personality. A mental illness, maybe - but not a personality."
OMG Woooooooooooow. That's... so ***** awesome. - MacSuxWindozSux, on 06/26/2008, -30/+124Main Reason =/= Only Reason.
If you read the rest of the article, he explains that he doesn't want to admit he's been wrong for the last 15 years, because he doesn't believe he is.
I'm sorry someone had to spell that out for you. - mrallen86, on 06/26/2008, -8/+102Don't get involved, don't get involved, don't get involved...
Sorry, I have to say that to myself whenever a Mac/PC flame war is about to begin. - known, on 06/26/2008, -13/+104Tip to Linux:
Usability is inversely proportional to the number of USER clicks for the desired feature. - inactive, on 06/26/2008, -23/+114"Well, I like having the corners exposed. I like tinkering in the registry to improve performance, I like being able to really tweak the system at the base level. Windows has its engine exposed, and while it might not always be pretty, if you know what you're doing you really have access to the whole thing"
This guy should switch to Linux - TheRealToma, on 06/26/2008, -14/+93As a devoted linux user and contributor (and a slight zealot)
I say stick with what you know. Tho like anything in life, you're missing out if you stick to one thing and deny everything else. - fenix61, on 06/26/2008, -30/+104I don't get how he can rant about how people like DJ's and graphic designer's using macs, when there is Windows users building $5000 gaming PC's with every detail tweaked and not calling that a fashion statement of sorts. It's not that DJ's and Graphic Designers are all trying to make a fashion statement, sure some are, but most of those people use Mac's because it is established in their industry as the tool of choice, the same way the Windows is used in offices.
- sreevatsa, on 06/26/2008, -86/+155Nice article. Finally someone sticking up for Windows XP. I have been using Windows my entire life and it almost terrifies me to shift to MAC just because the amount of software that is available for Windows. I can go to any website and download a software and give it a shot in Windows. I cant do the same thing on Mac simply because thats the last option for software developers and vendors.
- PATSCRU, on 06/26/2008, -10/+75That statement also goes a long way of explaining Gizmodo's constant Mac bias and ballwashing...
- Elranzer, on 06/26/2008, -43/+104Most people who fawn over the Mac platform never really used it. It's just a case of the "grass is always greener" syndrome.
I work with Macs everyday at my work, from the inside out (actually administrate the *****) and I don't see the appeal. They're actually downright annoying.
The only really good thing I've used with Macs is the iLife suite. And even that isn't technically Mac-only, as since iTunes was ported to Windows, it means eventually the rest of the suite could eventually make it over, too. There's nothing OS-specific about iLife; hell even Safari made it to Windows.
As someone who works regularly with all three major OS (Windows, Mac, Linux), the Mac interface just makes ME feel stupid when I use it. To get the same tasks done in Mac requires almost twice as many clicks as the same task in Windows or Linux (and let's not even touch right-lcicking).
And the Dock... is simply the worst app launcher ever conceived. - smpx, on 06/26/2008, -8/+68From the article:
"But really, when it comes down to it, the main reason I still use Windows is this: I'm stubborn and lazy. I don't want to switch because it will amount to admitting that I've been wrong for the last 15 years or so."
Let's face it, forget the fanboys, the trends, the ridiculous "iconic" image of the mac, this is ultimately the biggest reason we're not switching. I don't care that it's better, my XP really hasn't presented a big enough problem for me to re-learn how to use computers. - HappyScrappy, on 06/26/2008, -18/+78Oh yeah. "Too smart" is the explanation for hating Steve Jobs?
Smart people don't do things to hurt themselves out of spite.
Look, I hate Steve Ballmer, but I not only use Windows (not at the moment, but I have two Windows machines in the other room), I'm a MS shareholder!
Why do I use Windows? Because it's good at some things I need to do. That, by the way, is the same reason I use Mac OS X, because it's good at some things I need to do.
Why is not using the right tool for the job to spite someone "too smart"? - carrett, on 06/26/2008, -33/+91"...I sure as hell don't want to have to use Vista. I mean, I like Windows, but I'm not crazy."
-Truest statement of this article - aoneal417, on 06/26/2008, -8/+65and i'm a DJ and I use Windows
- forceuser, on 06/26/2008, -5/+61I'm a farmer.
I use XP. - neftaly, on 06/26/2008, -3/+58I use XP, and I'm not wearing any pants.
- dinostabOMG, on 06/26/2008, -10/+65..........................................................................................that's what she said.
- stupidStan, on 06/26/2008, -14/+68Is someone's (womens) jeans a bit to tight? Or is it just the iSand in your vagina?
- Ovalteen, on 06/26/2008, -12/+64" I like being able to really tweak the system at the base level. Windows has its engine exposed, and while it might not always be pretty, if you know what you're doing you really have access to the whole thing."
I don't see how you can say you have access to the whole thing in an OS like Windows. The command prompt is practically useless, the registry is available to edit but it's far from intuitive, and it's entirely closed source. Compared to the customisation options available on the BSDs and Linux, it's rather pathetic.
In terms of Macs, some components may be closed source, but it's fundamentally BSD underneath. I don't see why people keep referring to OS X as an OS for noobs when if you look beneath the shiny facade it has just the same power and most of the flexibility of a BSD system (I say most of the flexibility because it's closed source in places). You've got bash, vi, grep, awk, sed, and all the comforts of home right out of the box, just in a more aesthetically pleasing (IMHO) package. - wolfboyZ, on 06/26/2008, -25/+74I don't care if this guy doesn't want to switch but he's blatantly stereotyping all mac users into one category...and it's getting dugg!
Sometimes, I just don't understand Digg at all. - quikboy, on 06/26/2008, -47/+95I definitely agree with the article. Windows works fine for me. Anything I can do on OS X, I can already do on Windows plus more. I even do media-editing and graphic designing on Windows from time to time. The quality of my work is no less different than what I do on my Mac. I guess some people didn't know Adobe created programs for Windows.
It's not the tool, but the skills you have to use it.
And PC's are not just for work, like the Get a Mac ads lie about. If playing tons of games, surfing the internet, playing media, and all that "just work", then I think those ads are quite mistaken.
Again, I'm a bit tired of all the hype around Macs having the "superior" OS. It's just an OS for crying out loud. To me, OS X is just a flashy OS, with pretty icons, and a pretty interface. Windows works fine, Vista has some improvements, and I can get a wide variety of programs for Windows, than I could for OS X. You can install Windows on Macs by Boot Camp, but it's not the same. It defeats the purpose of a Mac, and I'm not paying the Apple tax. If I wanted to use Windows, I'd definitely buy a better computer like a Sony Vaio, or build my own. - NOFXY, on 06/26/2008, -18/+64then you're not really a graphic designer
/sarc - Coy0te, on 06/26/2008, -19/+63Settle down, he said he liked having the engine exposed not building the car from scratch.
- Spuy767, on 06/26/2008, -7/+51Ahh stereotyping. All Mac users are fags, of course, all Blacks are lazy, all Asians are incapable of driving, and all mexicans live in group homes with 15 of their kin. Listen, while it may get you digg points and make you feel better, you have to understand that while a lot of Mac users make a lot of noice, they are a vocal minority, just like everywhere else. Windows fanboys? Vocal minority. Westboro Baptist Church? Vocal minority. I use a Mac Every day, right along side a Windows 2k3 machine, and if you saw me in person, I probably wouldn't strike you as a Mac or Linux user. Why don't we all use what we are most comfortable with and SHUT THE ***** UP ALREADY.
- ckpcw, on 06/26/2008, -22/+63Switched to Mac 2 years ago.
I don't find myself missing any OS horsepower, in fact I prefer the UNIX-style terminal and its power. Want to change your MAC address? Easy, ifconfig.
Plus, things like printers and computer networking are less moody and easier to set up than on XP (never used Vista, maybe it's different) - thecheatah, on 06/26/2008, -13/+51He likes to configure, and play with the rough corners. Well linux lets you choose your corners.
Thats why I like Linux. When I need things to just work, I use a gui. When I need to peek under the skirt, I whip out my xterm (command line). - rohan037, on 06/26/2008, -11/+48i could not even imagine this kind of a comment getting +109 on digg...
on a similar note.. "Macs are too hip. Oh, look at me! I do graphic design! I wear women's jeans and hang out in coffee shops!"
EPIC STATEMENT. - arcanesmile, on 06/26/2008, -8/+45link to pics of you wearing girls jeans? y/n?
- LimeParrot, on 06/26/2008, -9/+45omfg
best article ever... - fugazied, on 06/26/2008, -13/+49Here we go, another OS flame war. I use Windows XP solely for torrents and TF 2. Works GREAT. I use Mac OS X for python/php/mysql/apache/email/photo editing/graphic design/chat/anything that needs to be secure. Works GREAT. I Also use Ubuntu and Debian for work, guess what they Work GREAT. OS preference is entirely subjective, your choice depends on what you do and how you like to do it, so anyone trying to prove beyond a doubt that one is superior is going to fail....
- NiMip, on 06/26/2008, -11/+46Why is it that people with Windows nearly always hate Macs? I've been a Mac user all my life, but I don't have a problem with Windows...
- Neverclear, on 06/26/2008, -15/+50I switched to Mac because after a year I wasn't sure I could buy a computer that would turn on using Vista.
And then I realized it ran BSD... the first *nix OS I learned in college. Smooth sailing since. It starts up, runs the software I need to pay taxes for my lllc, and it has terminals to use vim for programming. If you're not looking for that than I recommend... I don't know whatever people that play lots of games on computers use. - alpha88, on 06/26/2008, -28/+62I survived DOS, 3.1, 95, 98, ME, 2000, and XP too, and I was very good with all of them.
But I still switched to a Mac and I'll never switch back. Since OS X Tiger, OS X has been far ahead of Windows as far as I'm concerned.
Although I'm a graphic designer, so my opinion may not be relevant. - trumpydumpy, on 06/26/2008, -12/+46What about Linux or BSD? I like building my own computers too, without paying $100+ to Microsoft.
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