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- Stefan380, on 10/10/2007, -27/+417Microsoft just said "We know. Vista sucks. Just go back to XP. But try not to tell too many people."
- DJS2005, on 10/10/2007, -16/+226I`m not sure what is wrong with my copy of Vista. Does not seem to crash or be incompatible with anything I have installed so far. Must have gotten a busted version.
- crm911, on 10/10/2007, -3/+96This is sad but makes perfect business sense. I know a large company that still has some desktops running Windows 2000 owing to some custom software that won't run on XP. If I am not mistaken, some ATMs still run OS/2.
- UtopiaInTheSky, on 10/10/2007, -3/+90You should format anyway because of all the malware the manufacturer's put on your rig.
- wonderchemist, on 10/10/2007, -6/+86It's DOS 4 all over again!
- deviouskoopa, on 10/10/2007, -6/+52downgrade = upgrade??
- DigablePlanet, on 10/10/2007, -5/+42I work at CDW and this is true. No one wants vista and we actually offer downgrades to XPP through software licensing.
- jkrise, on 10/10/2007, -2/+37I met the IT chief of a large multinational bank last evening. He said they've banned Vista, IE7, VB, SQL Server (yes, no kiddin') etc. in their entire banking network. Vendors who cannot / will not supply XP -compatible h/w are simply black-listed. It's these OEMs - not Microsoft - that's behind this Downgrade move.
- DaffyDuck, on 10/10/2007, -2/+36WHAT ABOUT BASHING VISTA WITH ALL CAPS?
- EXreaction, on 10/10/2007, -2/+35http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grate
- MasterThief117, on 10/10/2007, -35/+68I have gotten to the point where if I get a new computer that comes with Vista, I am formatting it and putting XP on.
I am not a big fan of Vista. - DJS2005, on 10/10/2007, -6/+36Nero 6?
Release date: March 18th, 2004
Nero 7 is available and Nero 8 is coming in October. - rickbauls, on 10/10/2007, -9/+38I have gotten to the point where if I get a new computer that comes with Windows, I am formatting it and putting Linux on.
I am not a big fan of Windows. - redcyren, on 10/10/2007, -3/+31I work as a Setup Engineer for MS, so when I saw this, I thought disaster because loading XP after Vista can be a real pain. But looks like these XP discs are actually recovery media with a disc image on it, so it avoids the whole MBR boot code issue.
- PabloMac, on 10/10/2007, -46/+73I sidegraded when Mac OS X came out and haven't looked back since. Go ahead and dig me down, now, Windoze fans.
- bradproctor, on 10/10/2007, -4/+28The problem with Microsoft and Vista is not the OS itself but the time it takes for them to release them. 95 to 98 - three years, 98 to 2000 two years, 2000 to XP - two years, XP to Vista - five years!
Vista is such a dramatic change people don't like it because it is not what they are used to. If there had been a slight change at year 2 or 3 people would have adopted it but when you throw a brand new OS after five years with no slight transition, people flip out.
On top of that they force it on customers who want to buy a new computer unless you chose a business model until now. - Speed, on 10/10/2007, -5/+28Same here, there must be a "Windows Vista Digg Edition" or something that just crashes on all Digg users.
- BenKenobi88, on 10/10/2007, -10/+33Maybe not for you...but I've had numerous problems with screensavers, video driver issues, and various game issues that I know I did not have with XP. I've had Vista for nearly a month, got it free essentially, so I'm going back to XP next week.
- GMorgan, on 10/10/2007, -3/+25They should employ competent staff in building the custom software next time.
There is no reason software shouldn't be made easily portable, especially with the advent of managed VM environments. - Ramble, on 10/10/2007, -4/+26If it's not working then update it. Only old versions of nero 6 are incompatible.
- natenovs, on 10/10/2007, -5/+27yeh me too. it's weird. im thinking of returning it for the POS version everyone on the tubes apparently got.
- renegadeafk, on 10/10/2007, -17/+37Bashing vista is cruise control for cool
- pluto124, on 10/10/2007, -11/+31This story is so f-ing stupid. I work for a large financial company. This has nothing to do with Vista being good or bad. This has to do with companies that have thousands of installations and can not support a new operating system. It takes years to make to the move. Staff needs to be trained an a migration plan for 10s of thousands of PCs needs to happen. We are not on IE7 yet. Our servers have only recently gone to 2005. It's hard to do when you have 3000 servers in each data center. Not everything is about Apple. Apple's market share has dropped since Vista came out, because home users are buying it or getting it with new computers. C-NET should wake up and stop trying to mislead the public.
- Bossy, on 10/10/2007, -5/+23WIndows XP use to be crap when it came out but after few service packs and few years... it was stable and almost all softwares were compatible with it. Nothing surprising here either.
- UtopiaInTheSky, on 10/10/2007, -4/+22No, it's not.
- modix, on 10/10/2007, -30/+48What bugs? I've ran Vista for 6 months now. Never a crash. Heavy gaming, prolonged internet use, big file transfers, video reencoding... no issues whatsoever. It has a great interface and is just as stable. WTF are you talking about?
- schoate09, on 10/10/2007, -2/+20Or people who can't use the reply button.
- Trenton, on 10/10/2007, -10/+27It's really true, although it depends on what you use it for.
Right now, what I need to use my system for, vista doesn't really have any bugs. - Remmy, on 10/10/2007, -6/+22Yeah. It sure is "grate". The differences between XP and Vista, for the average consumer, is simply the eye candy. XP's faster for what I need to do. As far as Microsoft doing this... Windows ME anyone?
- Godlike, on 10/10/2007, -0/+16Well, when the next generation doesn't exist yet that can be pretty tough to anticipate... usually what holds companies back is that they get the product they want and then fire most of the original programmers if not all of them when large projects are complete and they don't have another lined up. When it comes time to refit the software, they are staring down a half million dollar cost of upgrading. The problem is poor project management and little support from upstairs after the project.
- coreyDehlert, on 10/10/2007, -7/+22sounds to me like you upgraded when OS X came out
- Humbick, on 10/10/2007, -7/+21if you mean grate like it takes your media files and shreds there capabilities to skip every 2 minutes, or grate like you can never leave it on overnight because itll shut down to automatic update even though you have it off, or grate like you want to take a ***** cheese grater to your neck after 10 hours on the phone with the vista "support" team in Amhanabidjhad, then yes i would have to agree with you.
- modix, on 10/10/2007, -1/+14I'm using Nero 6... burned a DVD last night. Don't let your lack of ability to update programs make you bitter towards an OS.
- Finster63, on 10/10/2007, -1/+14Be careful reformatting a Vista box and installing XP -
I have a HP Paviilion with Vista.
Reformatted it with XP.
Most of the peripherals were not recognized (i.e. wireless LAN)
Went to the web to find the drivers - the peripherals have Vista drivers, but they do not make XP drivers.
I had to bail and reformat it back with Vista.
p.s. Make the Vista recovery disks when the system asks you to - I wish I would have!
Do not delete the 8 gig recovery partition - I did... made it much more difficult to reinstall... - qwertydvorak, on 10/10/2007, -0/+12i know of a company that is still using windows 98 as the controller for it's cnc machinery. which is more expensive, paying the company who wrote the software for the xp upgrade (thousand or so per machine) or just keep using win 98 which is paid for and runs fine on 8 year old hardware. if the win 98 machine goes out, he can just go get more hardware off ebay for $20. by far the cheaper option is to stick with what they have.
- Speed, on 10/10/2007, -6/+18Oh yes, god forbid you have to do your job and support the latest technology.
- Robozilla, on 10/10/2007, -5/+16You mean Windows Xp Upgrade?
- dajota, on 10/10/2007, -2/+13nothing new to business. If this was being offered to end users it's another thing. My company runs most 'Mission critical' systems on Win2K with downgraded XP pro licence.
- omnirusa, on 10/10/2007, -8/+19I would respect microsoft more if they just admitted they made a bad OS.
- JaYBrooks, on 10/10/2007, -3/+14Dos 4 was more like winme... This is more of a bob.. well maybe not that bad.
- Firehed, on 10/10/2007, -1/+12And let's not forget that Vista can burn discs without Nero. Unfortunately it's not as well integrated as it is in OS X nor is it as simple as it is with an app like Disco, but using incredibly outdated software might just be part of the reason that things aren't working perfectly.
- KungFuJesus, on 10/10/2007, -8/+19my vista install crashes all the time and i get lower framerates than in xp
- inactive, on 10/10/2007, -8/+17No, I think that'd be those who convinced themselves that it's somehow a good OS.
- msgyrd, on 10/10/2007, -2/+11It's stability for me. Hardware that's perfectly fine with Linux and XP suddenly causes BSODs, hard locks and random reboots in Vista, regardless of driver configuration. Yes, I've tested the memory modules, and I've swapped graphics cards. I'm convinced Vista doesn't like my NForce4 motherboard.
- LogitechG15, on 10/10/2007, -0/+9One of the reasons Dell can keep some of their PC's relatively cheap. Load up your computer with tons of crap that they know no one wants because they get money for advertising. Same thing with HP as well.
- fli7e, on 10/10/2007, -2/+11This has nothing to do with Vista sucking.
I work in the IT industry and the main reason behind this move is because computer manufacturers NEED to be able to offer XP to appeal to the business crowd. At work I support many clients with in-house-developed line of business (LOB) applications that are simply not yet compatible with Vista. If someone drops their laptop tomorrow, we need to be able to replace it with something that will work with the company's LOB apps and not be a pricing/licensing nightmare... hence the downgrade kit for machines that don't ship with XP already on them.
I used an HP downgrade kit twice alone last week, and it works fine. - championchap, on 10/10/2007, -2/+10Stop shouting questions at me! I'm right here!!
- inactive, on 10/10/2007, -5/+13I think the main problem is that it has absolutely nothing to offer that would justify the headache and annoyance of changing to an entirely different OS.
It doesn't really operate that much better than XP, to be honest. - tonicboy, on 10/10/2007, -4/+12My Vista Business crashed within the first half hour of turning it on my new laptop. Nothing so bad as BSOD mind you, but the Explorer crashed right away. Not to mention that the UAC is annoying as hell and I shouldn't have to research how to fix that right out of the box. Internet Explorer also crashed within an hour of use.
Beyond the actual crashes and problems, Vista is simply an annoying, obnoxious OS. The UAC is so poorly designed that the only way to make the computer usable is to turn it off and thereby lose any security benefit. The Aero interface slows down the computer, sucks battery and doesn't even look nice. Startup takes forever. -
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