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- chillypacman, on 11/08/2007, -37/+94What a load of crock.
"Over a year ago I screamed about how Vista was going to not even be the slightest bit more secure than Windows XP. I was wrong, dead wrong. Windows Vista has turned out to be even less secure than Windows XP. Why? Simple. Two words; Nag Screen"
I'm still waiting on your promised viruses and trojans that would render my computer useless, with or without UAC. I haven't had a virus since I installed Vista on my computers (about a month after launch day). Also isn't it funny how Vista hasn't been out for a year yet the title of the article is 'a year later and windows vista is still not worth it'. Ah, so he's been pretending to know something about Vista since before it's launch, since before he even used it first hand. That should blow his credibility out of the water already.
"Although I would normally be the first one to say progress is good even if it has a few bumps along the way the situation with Vista is just way out of control. The reality with Vista is you really can’t expect to upgrade a system to the OS without encountering significant problems with legacy hardware and software support."
*****. I've upgraded numerous computers to Vista and each one has ran absoloutely fine with legacy drivers (granted my most recent upgrade needed drivers because there was no 16:10 support but it was no more than a simple download). If you sincerely want to use legacy drivers for your hardware forever then you are in fact a luddite and should buy an OEM system and STFU. Considering the range of hardware Vista is compatible with its competition (Linux/OS X) looks like a joke. I'm sorry but there really isn't a better alternative, blame whoever you want, but Vista has the ability to run the largest combination of hardware any consumer could ever want.
"Not a huge issue for the preverbal college student or home user this quickly becomes a show stopper for corporations trying to run older software."
Older software? Is this guy for real? I have no backwards compatibility problems with any of my software, even the ones MIcrosoft said wasn't supported in Vista (Visual C++/C# Express/XNA) ran fine for the longest time until Microsoft officially said 'yes we now support it'. This is in sharp contrast to some of Microsofts competition that have not been able to retain the sheer backwards compatibility Microsoft has. As it stands I don't think there is a single piece of software out there that will work on XP but not Vista.
"Still my biggest gripe is the complete and utter lack of quality video drivers for many mainstream cards. What ever happened to video games and hardcore gamers driving the market? Quick update for you: they don’t run Vista! Right now any gamer running most off the shelf games is still fragging away on XP (and very happy doing it)."
WTF? Are you stil living in the launch window where nVidia still hadn't gotten around to releasing drivers for the 8800GTX? Right now if you want to play the best looking games on the highest settings you NEED Vista (Crysis, Bioshock, UT3, World in Conflict all support DX10 for which nVidia/ATI happily support both in hardware and drivers).
I think it's time people STFU and stopped pretending to know whats going on, the mere fact he's blaming Microsoft for third parties not providing graphics drivers, WHICH THEY ARE shows he's probably never actually used Windows Vista thusfar. I can go on and on about what an idiot this guy is but I know at least 80% of you folks here probably agree with him (and about 99% of that number have never actually used Vista) so whatever.
Another sensationalist piece of ***** by some kid who brought together all the negative articles he could find (from back during the launch window) and presenting it as fact, probably in an effort to get to the frontpage. Of course if people put value into truth they wouldn't bother with this biased piece of *****. I mean vista has problems, so criticize them, the ones that are real and there, don't make up ***** just to stir the pot. - estvir, on 11/08/2007, -16/+471. This guy has no idea what he's talking about, he seems to think sysadmins activate each copy of Vista individually and he also ignores that WGA is on XP too.
2. Now he's lying with no facts to back his statements up. Oh, and both ATI/Nvidia have had 'good' drivers for MONTHS and tons of gamers are moving to Vista with little to no problems.
3. Okay, he talks about how Vista is less secure than XP (Seriously, how can you people Digg this, how retarded are you?) yet Vista has had the LEAST amount of bugs of any OS in it's first 6 months, there are no viruses for it yet, etc. Also, he says it's not secure simply because of UAC, wow, just wow.
4. So, you have a few examples, there have been 'a few examples' for years. Also, why has it taken this many years for Linux to be somewhat decent for desktops? And if Windows is so bad and horrible, what other choices did they have in the 90s? Desktop Linux was a joke than.
Not only is it poorly written (See, when your mum said dropping out of high school was a bad idea she was right) but it's full of FUD, lies, has no facts to back up anything he says, is based upon anecdotal evidence, etc. Basically, if you Digg this or worse, believe it, you're a moron. I pity the author.
But hey, this will probably make the frontpage because Digg is full of illiterate morons screaming "LOLWINBLOZ" from their arm-chair castles.. than they go play WoW and BF2 on their Windows boxes and screaming "OMGHACKER." - chugger1992, on 11/05/2007, -12/+37so where can I get this "OS X" that is compatible with my PC (and isn't a hack version, I might add)
- Okari, on 11/04/2007, -8/+24I always love reading the comments in these stories. You can tell right away the people who hate Vista have only tried it for a week or have never tried it at all.
- chugger1992, on 11/04/2007, -11/+21"Older software? Is this guy for real? I have no backwards compatibility problems with any of my software, even the ones MIcrosoft said wasn't supported in Vista (Visual C++/C# Express/XNA) ran fine for the longest time until Microsoft officially said 'yes we now support it'. This is in sharp contrast to some of Microsofts competition that have not been able to retain the sheer backwards compatibility Microsoft has. As it stands I don't think there is a single piece of software out there that will work on XP but not Vista."
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I, too haven't experienced any difficulty with programs. One flick of the "compatibility options" switch and everything is fine. - insertAliasHere, on 11/04/2007, -5/+12I think that you're both full of it.
- LordSeth, on 11/04/2007, -2/+9The "Nag Window" can be disabled but for the average user it is a great implentations as alot of people tend to click and not realise what they are doing and corrupt a system themselves (I have had to fix many computers from user error)
- CraigJ, on 11/07/2007, -4/+10I use Vista on a daily basis, over 8 hours a day. Personally, I have had no issues with it, but after using it for 9 months my reaction is, how it is significantly different and better than Windows 2000? It's prettier, I'll give it that, but it has the same file system, same, well, most everything. There are multitudes of minor enhancements, but really, Microsoft worked on Vista for a very long time, with a very large team, and this is what they deliver? Where are all the really cool features it was supposed to have? As a developer, Vista doesn't help me do my job any better than 2000 or XP did, but it does tend to get in my way a little more. At home, as a consumer, I see no compelling reason to upgrade. If a new machine comes with it fine, but I'm not going to be buying (or downloading) copies for current machines. Too much effort for too little return.
- ironpunk, on 11/05/2007, -21/+26There are definitely a few weak points in the article, but the general flow of it is dead on. I tried doing an XP to Vista upgrade on a D620 and I finally had to wipe the laptop because of the sheer volume of annoyances related to constant windows popping up telling me this application or that driver was not supported. Each restart was another ride on the window-closing pain train.
Vista's biggest problem, and the Nag window is a perfect example of it, is that the interface is actually harder to use and more invasive than XP. Going from XP to Vista is a step backwards in ease of use, and that's kind of sad. At least once a day I find myself asking 'Why did that change that ?' It simply isn't an improvement in ease of use.
But hey, your approach to people who would like to see some improvements in Vista is that they should shut up. I certainly am not going to try to refute someone who's reasoning skills are so well-honed on a point-by-point basis. - venom8599, on 11/04/2007, -0/+51) It sounds like you just cut and pasted the folder onto another drive/partition. The correct way to do it is to right click on a special folder (Documents, etc...) and click the Location tab and then move it to a different location that way. Then you won't lose anything if you have to reinstall, but everything will still work.
2) It's kind of hard to tell what's going on there. It could be a number of things. - fuckingusername, on 11/04/2007, -5/+10no OS is perfect or the best, they all have their strong points and weak points,,,enough said....
- hiikeeba, on 11/02/2007, -2/+6Our software provider at work announced they would not support Vista until September of next year at the earliest. They have no intentions of moving to Linux, so we will be dragged along kicking and screaming when they migrate. Not looking forward to it.
- estvir, on 11/04/2007, -0/+4What malware?
Why don't you have programs in place to stop it?
Why aren't certain sites blocked?
.. and so on, I'm guessing you're not the greatest sysadmin around? - MacSuxWindozSux, on 11/05/2007, -1/+4Looks like people aren't liking your comment. Truth must hurt.
- mrsteveman1, on 11/04/2007, -1/+4The real funny part is that Microsoft is going to fix any problems, and nothing will change. Bitching isn't going to drop Microsofts position in the market, especially since Apples obsessive and odd view of how users should work is the only valid competition, and it hasn't worked so well for the last 7 YEARS.
So the only thing complaining like this article does, is attempt to drive Apples marketshare higher. - Kamujin, on 11/04/2007, -0/+3Seems like his familly has more common sense then a univerisity student.
You can put all the buttons in place that you want, that won't stop an idiot from clicking yes to "do you want me to infect your PC?" - wburglett, on 11/04/2007, -1/+4I might add
- Kamujin, on 11/04/2007, -0/+3I'll pass on the hardware vendor lock. Plus, if I want to run a unix, Linux will do just fine thanks.
- oldhick, on 11/03/2007, -2/+5Have you diagnosed the bluescreen? Theres a lot of detail there.
- LordSeth, on 11/04/2007, -7/+10I have great difficulty understanding people who go on about how bad vista is when they haven't used it. I have this friend who knows this guy that says vista is bad so it must be true. Never mind all the problems that XP had when it came out and Comparatively Vista really is the best launch OS to date lets base our decisions on rumors. I have used Vista for Months now and have less problems with it than XP SP2.
- mrsteveman1, on 11/02/2007, -0/+3Honestly, the XP slowdown over time probably has more to do with the registry, XP let every application screw with the registry all they wanted, not to mention every other part of the system. And if you actually use anti-virus your entire machine becomes uselessly slow in XP, though even without AV the machine needs to be reinstalled every 3 months or it becomes too slow to use. Vista works much better in that respect.
- MioTheGreat, on 11/04/2007, -0/+3I personally feel that the only people who disable UAC are between novice users, and expert users. On the one end, they simply accept it, and don't know how. On the other end, they actually understand the benefits it brings, and why they shouldn't be seeing it that often, and what they're doing wrong if they do. Those in between who disable it claim that they are "power users" and don't need it, and for all of their "power user" status, can't tell me anything about it from a technical standpoint.
DIsabling UAC effectively kills the entire idea of privledge seperation and LUA, and gives you an OS that, while more secure than XP, is fundamentally flawed. - Whaines, on 11/04/2007, -0/+32nd =! unit of time.
- Flagg3, on 11/04/2007, -1/+4Wow, talk about living with your head in the sand. I'm happy that Vista works for those of you who love it. I've installed it on many machines, and it does work fine on most of them, but a fairly large percentage of them have severe stability and performance problems. These are WIDELY known problems people, they aren't being made up by people who are anti-microsoft. That's why Microsoft released the performance and stability updates in August. I had one Dell Core2Quad that had Vista factory installed that was basically unusable, right out of the box, until those patches were released. The machine works now, but it still suffers from severe slowdown when compared to XP.
Keep in mind that I have ALWAYS used every Microsoft OS at launch or even from Beta releases, and I can absolutely, 100% confirm that no other Microsoft OS has had anywhere close to this many performance and stability issues almost 1 year after launch.
You guys can crow all you want about how wonderful Vista is, but it really is the worst upgrade since Windows ME.
I think that Jim Louderback, Editor in Chief of PC Magazine said it best in his final editorial. Since he was leaving the position, he was no longer forced to bite his tongue, and he finally gave his true opinion of Vista. This, coming from someone who was a huge proponent of Vista:
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,1895,2171472,00.as ...
I suppose he is also just another person who has no idea what he is talking about either, huh? - MioTheGreat, on 11/04/2007, -5/+8I disagree.
SInce I switched my family over to Vista, I haven't had a single issue with them. - Corvias, on 11/04/2007, -8/+11I run a small IT dept. at a public University. We get anywhere between 5 to 10 malware infested PC's per week. Last year, all of those laptops were XP. Now they're all Vista. Sorry pal, at least in the malware front, nothings changed.
- sarge96, on 11/04/2007, -3/+5User account control actually saved my ass from a virus that looked like a music file once. For that, I am grateful. What I am not grateful for is inserting my friend's CD, having the installer crash and having to reformat my hard drive. In terms of those, I'm ready to get Ubuntu.
- mrsteveman1, on 11/04/2007, -1/+3That really sounds wrong, music CDs shouldn't be installing anything....if you mean the Vista installer then i don't know, I've never seen a correctly burned Vista installer disc crash anything, even on systems with a screwy BIOS.
- SouthsideIrish, on 11/04/2007, -1/+3He is at a university. How many computers does you family have? Probably not as many as he has at the University, right?
- inactive, on 11/04/2007, -7/+9I got a computer preloaded with this Vista Crap. I tried it for a while. Then I tried to swap out my video card for a better one and Vista said it wasn't genuine! WTF?! Rather than sit on hold with Microsuck tech support for 3 hours pleading my case that I am NOT a theif, I just went to ubuntu.com to try out this linux thing. Let me just say that so far, I am loving it. Best operating system I ever owned and guess what? It's free. And get this: all of my printers and devices work automatically with no drivers! Why can't windows do that? You guys can go ahead and bury me, but ubuntu is the greatest OS ever!
- estvir, on 11/04/2007, -0/+2You don't have to sit down with tech support for 3 hours, you go to phone activation, dial them up, be answered instantly, put in your key, have them read the activation code and bam, you're done.
It takes 5 minutes, if that.
Clues are great but yeah, all you anti-MS lemmings go Digg him up. - EXreaction, on 11/04/2007, -4/+6I think it is either that ID10T or the PEBKAC problem your getting here. Call up Microsoft and ask what you can do to fix those errors and you should be good to go.
- ferrariman60, on 11/04/2007, -6/+8"Still my biggest gripe is the complete and utter lack of quality video drivers for many mainstream cards. What ever happened to video games and hardcore gamers driving the market? Quick update for you: they don’t run Vista! Right now any gamer running most off the shelf games is still fragging away on XP (and very happy doing it)."
I'm a pretty hardcore gamer (I think..... I'm pretty excited for this month, so many great games!) and I've been happily running vista since March or so. Were the drivers worse when vista came out? Sure, XP drivers had been maturing for 6+ years. Firing squad just did a test at the end of September comparing Vista 32 bit, 64 bit, and windows XP 32 bit. Vista 32 and 64 were neck and neck, and often were ahead of XP, or just slightly behind (we're talking 3 fps in certain tests). It's also, like it or not, needed for DX10. I'm very happy with Vista as a Hardcore Gamer, and I'll be upset if I hear anyone else bring up the high memory usage ***** again. It's called superfetch, morons. It clears out as soon as you do something that needs the RAM space. Oh, but you'd probably rather it load your browser off the HDD than have it already in RAM, right? Then you'd bitch that it takes forever. Looking back at the quote, I wonder if this guy can even name any "Mainstream video cards" that he mentions. And ditto the legacy software *****- the only thing that apparently doesn't run on my Vista 64 bit is 16 bit apps. Oh no! What will I do without 16 bit!! Spare me the inane blabbering, please. Just go for the compatibility options. - inactive, on 11/07/2007, -5/+7Ubuntu is free and better than both. A win-win situation.
- MacSuxWindozSux, on 11/04/2007, -1/+3I haven't had any problems with Vista. All those things they are complaining about turned out to be exaggerated, or non existant. I did however roll my windows box back to XP because some DX9 apps had twice as high framerate in XP. But modern games and apps didn't seem to loose any framerate in Vista.
Having used Vista and moved back to XP, XP looks ancient. Everything in XP loads and diplays ultra fast however. The multi-tasking seems to be worse in XP, there are a few times when certain CPU intensive activities will breifly stop other programs, but in vista this stoppage wasn't present.
Using XP, I miss the search feature in Vista and the readyboost. And I definitely miss the sidebar. I never really used sidebars that much before but going back to XP I began to use the Google Desktop sidebar and it looks like a crummy replacement. But GDS is still pretty good too.
All in all I'm using XP when I have a Vista cd that I bought. Should say something. But also I'd recommend people try the new Ubuntu. - TenebrousX, on 11/04/2007, -6/+8"Also isn't it funny how Vista hasn't been out for a year yet the title of the article is 'a year later and windows vista is still not worth it'"
To be fair, Vista officially went gold November 8 (or sometime around that date), and many people were using leaked copies. Also, he could have been using the release candidate betas, as I and many others were. - chugger1992, on 11/04/2007, -22/+24As a user of Vista since RC2, I can say that this is BS. Vista runs a lot smoother than XP. XP seems to sharply decline in speed after a week or two of normal use. Vista hasn't done that. Why? The disk caching, I presume. It uses up a lot of memory, but with everything a near instant access from RAM, it really does go smoother.
- lordspidey, on 11/04/2007, -3/+5your post gets the [Stamp of Approval ]™
been runnin vista on this laptop for about 6 months now and i am having a few hiccups i didn't have in Xp Biggest one is obviously performance
some wifi issues sometimes and some issues with OpenGl apps everything else works fine
anyways Whining about vista will not change anything
if you do want to make a difference get linux (i recommend Ubuntu) you might have driver install issues in the beginning but its well worth it
sorry for the lack of punctuation but i cant find it on this azerty keyboard - mrsteveman1, on 11/02/2007, -1/+3That sounded like more of an advertisement than anything.........
- Morality, on 11/02/2007, -1/+3chillypacman ftw
- Diddy321, on 11/04/2007, -4/+6Used Vista for 2 weeks. Formatted and went back to XP. The interface just doesn't seem to be well thought out at all, and driver support at the time was awful (seems like not much has changed since then). Our office (completely non-techy people) recently bought 5 new laptops, all with Vista preloaded. After about a week there was a huge mutiny and our IT guy reluctantly put Xp on them. I don't think it's an issue of people not wanting change, it's just that if you're going to ask people to change you better have a product that works better then the old one.
- Kamujin, on 11/04/2007, -1/+3I can't want until its no longer cool to hate Microsoft. Then maybe more people will form their opinions on objective information. LOL, I just made a funny.
- MioTheGreat, on 11/04/2007, -0/+2The benefits to multitasking in Vista are twofold. First, the system is simply better at it. There are hundreds of changes to the kernel that make this happen.
Second, the UI is finally 3d accelerated, giving some degree of isolation and overall better performance between windows in terms of responsiveness. - hirak99, on 11/12/2007, -1/+3Seems like finally Microsoft is focusing on Digg to extend their marketing ploy!
- estvir, on 11/04/2007, -0/+2What are these things that require 10 steps on Vista and 2 on OSX ?
- mrsteveman1, on 11/04/2007, -0/+2Online resize of the systems FS is worth it alone, I've used it repeatedly and it works perfectly. I just wish i had the ability to manually set I/O priority per process the way you can for CPU scheduler priority, but that has to be done by the app developer i think.
- jaymulder, on 11/04/2007, -1/+3Vista likes to break its self. XP does this less frequently.
- MioTheGreat, on 11/04/2007, -0/+24. But in the last 11 months, not a single issue.
I would have to reformat their XP machines every 3 months like clockwork. - estvir, on 11/04/2007, -0/+2".. but it has the same file system, same, well, most everything."
Hahah, I guess you must've missed the memo where there is a COMPLETELY NEW networking/audio/printing stack/architecture, completely new driver model, completely new startup process, new deployment image method/tech, speech recognition has been completely overhauled and is easily the best on any OS, etc.
Yeah mate, there's nothing new, it's alllll the same. -
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