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- MAGZine, on 04/22/2008, -44/+147You can't call Outlook Express 'email', email client, or anything of the sort. You can, however, call it a piece of *****.
Sorry, couldn't miss taking a shot at outlook - kolop1, on 03/26/2008, -35/+103That's funny. I use Vista and it works fine. I built a 900$ PC.
- Murrabbit, on 03/26/2008, -33/+97$2100 computer? He was using a Mac!
- Phocion55, on 03/26/2008, -11/+59Compiz Fusion runs flawlessly on one of my boxes with integrated Intel. So it CAN be done on what you call "piece of *****" hardware.
People need to wake up and understand that you don't need the latest and greatest hardware to be able to do these kinds of things - just because Microsoft says so. - lobsterxcore, on 03/26/2008, -11/+53Pretty sure this was on front page like a week ago...
- inactive, on 03/26/2008, -18/+55do you need any other proof even when Microsoft executive himself says its garbage ?
- justok, on 03/26/2008, -12/+43you missed. common mistake for n00bs. Outlook Express and Outlook are different.
- chandan333, on 03/26/2008, -42/+73XP ROCKS
thats it. - inactive, on 03/26/2008, -10/+39It's a shame that most people don't seem to realise that there are viable alternatives to windows. Every time a new version of windows is released there is always some huge controversy. Though, vista and ME seem to be the worst. Why do people continue to buy this crap? I don't mean those that buy a new PC that has it pre-installed but why go out and pay hundreds of dollars for crap software?
- inactive, on 03/26/2008, -3/+31Well, if the guy who uses the Windows logo as his personal icon on digg says Vista is cool, it must be true.
- invinciblechunk, on 03/26/2008, -0/+24$2100 is what those ***** make in what, 2 seconds? Why should he care?
- smotpoker, on 03/26/2008, -18/+41It always astounds me how free software can do as well and often better than MS. Even with their billions of dollars in profits and well-paid engineers, developers and supporters worldwide *still* have to go out further out of their way and lose more time/productivity to support it than with any of the alternatives.
I wish more users and professionals would just spend the extra few hrs getting used to the alternatives and save the whole world and themselves a lot of stress (and money). It's a worthy investment - graycat, on 03/26/2008, -23/+44I have. It's *****.
- inactive, on 03/26/2008, -3/+23Just like how Windows Me was the new cool when Windows 2000 came out. Oh wait.
- inactive, on 03/26/2008, -2/+22I've seen Compiz run flawlessly on a Gateway from 2001 with 256MB RAM and a 32MB video card. So what's Microsoft's excuse?
- inactive, on 03/26/2008, -2/+22I agree, Compiz Fusion definitely puts Microsoft in its place about whats /REALLY/ needed to perform a 3D desktop. It does even more and doesn't choke as easily.
- inactive, on 03/26/2008, -5/+25But it's the best email client out there if you need to send automatically executing vbscripts to your friends and coworkers.
- aywwts4, on 03/26/2008, -5/+25I don't even understand what is taking so many resources, a little rolodex alt+tab, semi-transparent window edges and a split seccond of transforming upon minimizing? Thats 512 megs of ram (just for the effects) and a good graphics card?!
You can run all of ubuntu and compiz on 350 megs and integrated graphics, all with a crap load of virtual desktops, a 3D cube with reflections that you can whip around, unwrap, and spin at a push of a button, and a ton of different effects from the cool to the shamelessly showy (Having your windows ignite into flames upon closing or folding the window into a paper airplane and having it fly off the screen) - Remmy, on 03/26/2008, -6/+26Yeah. Software/hardware support... let's see, that covers everything you do with a computer, doesn't it?
- inactive, on 03/26/2008, -13/+32OS X Leopard a fully-certified Unix distribution. Windows is the toy OS by comparison.
- inactive, on 03/26/2008, -13/+32Why? I know these are crappy computers, but with an OS that makes poor choices for performance just so it looks better is really, well, an OS related problem. Lets not forget that people have been doing similar things on similar computers with different OS's with little issues.
- JedicodeWarrior, on 03/26/2008, -13/+32Seems like all the complaints are from people who A) Never used Vista or B) use the PCs that right out of the box with all that bloat-ware that will kill any OS. If the latter is the case, then the PC vendors are adding fuel to the fire by screwing up the OS with all that extra crap they add on. But, if you really don't like the OS, buy something different and drop the group-think.
- diablozx9, on 03/26/2008, -7/+25Whats even funnier than Vista functionality is those people who will defend MS even though they haven't tried any of the free alternatives.
- inactive, on 03/26/2008, -2/+20Go read the article, he baught a laptop with vista, on which even some of the microsoft software won't work. And lack of drivers.
- badqat, on 03/26/2008, -2/+20Closer to a month ago...
- nazadus, on 03/26/2008, -5/+21Wow. I never thought I would read that on Digg with a positive rating... especially considering how much people said they would /never/ move to it back when it was first introduced. Seriously go Google the XP adoption rate and how many people said it offered nothing over 2K.
- arcticblue, on 03/26/2008, -4/+20Yep, just like how wireless driver problems are [insert Linux distro]'s fault.
- inactive, on 03/26/2008, -0/+15I'm pretty sure it's been on digg's front page at least once a week since the news broke.
- inactive, on 03/26/2008, -4/+19Comes down to personal taste, but I find OS X downright minimalist and classy compared to the over-the-top flashy sparkly gaudiness of Vista. It's a big step up from XP though, whose default blue theme is the pinnacle of "Fisher Price".
- inactive, on 03/26/2008, -3/+18DiggLive is well known to be a complete *****.
I mean, yeah, exactly! - ronmojohny, on 03/26/2008, -5/+18Microsoft has a big problem in that they hide the source code, and don't control the hardware. This is why Macs don't suffer from the same type of problems. Why they didn't make VISTA use the same drivers as XP is a mystery to me.
- aywwts4, on 03/26/2008, -1/+14Also, Microsoft's 64 bit edition requires all drivers be signed by microsoft before they can run, so even if you can find drivers that work, if they haven't been signed you are still out of luck. There used to be workarounds, but Microsoft disabled them with a patch, so formerly working hardware now fails on every boot.
- inactive, on 03/26/2008, -4/+17Sometimes something seems really *****, until you try something worse. I thought Visual Studio 2005 was a buggy piece of crap, then I tried Visual Studio 2008, and now I think VS 2005 is a masterpiece.
- inactive, on 03/26/2008, -4/+17Funny that so often I read (in defense of Windows' slow development pace) that, "Microsoft has to support every piece of hardware and every configuration on the planet!", yet when the issue is lack of drivers, it's suddenly the hardware vendors' fault. Which is it Windows fanboys? Does Windows support hardware or does hardware support Windows?
- FUR10N, on 03/26/2008, -4/+16vista ran fine on my 4 year old Dell PC (at $600). The problem is that the people who have bad experiences are much louder than those who have no problems.
- smotpoker, on 03/26/2008, -3/+15XP looks like pre-school ***** by default IMO. Vista to a lesser extent
That was my first thought the first time I saw XP at a computer outlet "WTF... it looks like a UI for pre-schoolers!" (Mostly because of the colors I think) - smotpoker, on 03/26/2008, -2/+14What exactly do you "develop" that requires high such resource utilization on a box capable of running 3d games on Vista? Are you a QT developer rebuilding it from scratch in a VM after each code modification or what?
- DarkShroud, on 03/26/2008, -5/+17Microsoft removed Outlook Express from Vista. They wrote a new program from the ground up called Windows Mail. People who've actually used Vista know this.
- inactive, on 03/26/2008, -2/+13...Uhm... If its wasting my resources AT ALL, Its bad. I don't care how. I do development and I want tests to be accurate and I want to be able to use most of the power available. If you have 512 MB, 500 of it will be used for Vista. Have fun playing SDL Pong without using Swap memory, because thats about all that will fit after your done booting up on a computer with a small suite of software installed.
- secleinteer, on 03/26/2008, -0/+11Hahahahaha. Why is it that people are so quick to blame Linux for not having support for many hardware devices and for many popular applications, but when the same thing happens with Windows, it's the other companies' fault?
- bulkhater, on 03/26/2008, -1/+12He was a high level Microsoft executive. If even HE couldn't get hold of tech staff who could get it running, what chance do the rest of us have?
- SniperSlap, on 03/26/2008, -4/+15Your heart is in the right place, your brain isn't.
Apple does not have the same problems because their OS targets specific hardware configurations. Getting OSX (with the various methods available) to work on a machine that isn't one of the currently available Apple platforms is a slight feat.
In actual fact, Apple has really poor software design - but good luck getting the fanboys to admit that. - div2n, on 03/26/2008, -1/+12Ubuntu offers paid support. So does Red Hat and Novell. Your assertion is complete absurdity.
- inactive, on 03/26/2008, -3/+14And finally, someone realizes the difference between XP's transition and Vista's transition.
- kazamx, on 03/26/2008, -4/+15Its true that lack of drivers is one of Vistas problems. Ubuntu doesn't get any slack from people though about lack of wireless drivers.
- kingo123, on 03/26/2008, -8/+19I have used Vista since its launch, and I do every single task I need to do, without any problem. Surfing, web-designing, graphic designing, programming, emailing and gaming. I am yet to find a problem with it.
The only problem I see, is when you start to compare microsoft OS to another platform. That shouldn't really happen IMO. - ThndrShk2k, on 03/26/2008, -3/+13"Yeah, I do. Did he set it up himself? What was the circumstances of the problem? What else did he do to cause the issue?"
He's a goddamn Microsoft executive. He should know how to set up a machine, and to make it work. - smotpoker, on 03/26/2008, -2/+12Depends on if the hardware was supposed to have been validated as "Vista capable" (which it apparently was) by MS. Also depends on if the driver api or the kernel were properly tested and stable. If the api is *****, you cannot blame vendor developers for the interface MS created for them to use
- dcmcderm, on 03/26/2008, -8/+18I was a life-long Windows die-hard fanatic until 6 months ago when my company made me start using a MacBook Pro. Believe me they pretty much had to wrestle me to the ground to steal my old Dell laptop out of my hands, but since then I've "seen the light" and installed Ubuntu on my home machine. My only interaction with Windows now is dealing with all the random crashes on my girlfriend's Vista laptop, meanwhile I've probably only restarted my MacBook like twice since I got it...When will people learn that they don't have to put up with this crap from Microsoft?
- SniperSlap, on 03/26/2008, -18/+28Resource hungry for no reason.
Hardware support.
Restrictive licensing.
Pointless editions.
If none of these are a problem for you, it means you are a mainstream computer user and have no place in even forming an opinion on this stuff. Enough has been said from alphas, betas and RCs until today to outline each one of those points.
Vista is nothing more than a cheap cash grab. Contrary to popular belief, wanting to make money does not forgive a ***** product.
The difference between running Vista and XP is that running Vista you get less of your computer to use.
You have kool aid on your mouth. -
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