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- HappyScrappy, on 02/23/2009, -0/+88The growth of online gaming is severely hampered by the fact that so many of the people who play online are dicks.
- sugarazor, on 02/23/2009, -0/+44You're pretty much summing up the internet as a whole. Anonymity is a license to go into full-tard mode for some people.
- t0ny, on 02/23/2009, -0/+41"possible for hackers to discover your address using underground packet-sniffing software"
How is packet-sniffing software 'underground'? A LOT of people use it every day for many legal purposes.
"More disturbing, however, is that the uninitiated are paying skilled hackers to set up the whole process for them, to be run anytime they feel like being nasty, and thereby inflating the number of attacks. The BBC said these services go for a one-time fee of $20."
How ***** lame do you have to be to pay $20 to cheat at a stupid video game? You must have to life at all to do that. - AlphaDrake, on 02/23/2009, -3/+39I think I'd feel like I'd won double-time if I beat someone in-game and caused them to get mad enough to have to pay to software to kick me off the xbox for a few hours..
Not like I can't go watch a movie, play another console, play single player, go outside, read a book, go out with friends, or more.. - Mockylock, on 02/23/2009, -0/+35Luckily I suck at online games. I will never be a target. In your FACE, hackers.
- gr33nie, on 02/23/2009, -1/+29Actually it does tell your if your NAT is strict, moderate or open. When you go into Network Settings and perform the Xbox Live test it will flash up a warning at the end and tell you that there is a problem with your network if your NAT is not open.
You can click More Info or press Y after closing the warning to see what NAT type you have. - inactive, on 02/23/2009, -2/+29CoD4, do you even know what a DDoS attack is?
- thefbimonkey, on 02/23/2009, -4/+26THATS FUNNY BECAUSE YOU DIDNT LIST A THIRD STEP!!!!!!!!!!!!
- Kizzlar, on 02/23/2009, -1/+21Who the hell is going to be so angry at getting their ass kicked by some guy on the internet who is really good at sniping or moving the d-pad in a quarter circle while pressing buttons that they would shell out $20 to make sure that person never plays again?
Then again, I completely misjudge these things. After all, we live in a world where figure skaters clubbed each other in the knees and athletes put needles up their asses to get the competitive edge in sports. - Kizzlar, on 02/23/2009, -0/+17Bzzt. By banning *****, Microsoft can advertise the service as lacking *****, which also brings in gamers who want an *****-free experience.
- xXFireSerMon, on 02/23/2009, -1/+18This hasn't gotten anything to do with port forwarding on the xbox. This problem can occur whether someone has an xbox or not; right now, all someone needs is your IP address and access to enough bot computers and they can boot you offline.
And this problem is hardly new; people were using these style of attacks on Halo 2 all the time. There was (and still is) a clan called HgB or "host got booted." Google it and there are tutorials on how to do it all over the place. - audiogeek5, on 02/23/2009, -1/+18XBOX Live: Just when you through the douchebags couldn't get any worse than they already are - you get corpse-humped even harder.
- inactive, on 02/23/2009, -2/+18And Apple?
- HurricaneDC, on 02/23/2009, -0/+15Yeah, until people stop renewing their XBL subscriptions because of the abundance of hackers and little dickwads who pay $20 for someone to DDoS a guy.
- deweyhewson, on 02/23/2009, -6/+21You know, if they just hosted the games on their own servers, instead of forcing the users of a PAY service to host it themselves then you wouldn't even be able to see other players' IPs and this whole problem would be resolved.
Even Steam, which is FREE, hosts their own servers for games.
There is no excuse for a pay service that is having this problem to not do the same.
Also, on a related note, hackers are the lowest form of gaming life. If someone has to hack to "beat" me then I just won twice. - tama00, on 02/23/2009, -0/+14i think you need to take a business class.
If microsoft doesnt ban the users. The users get pissed off and leave.
If microsoft does ban the users then if they want to play again they have to buy a new account.
either way Microsoft will get more money. but the real problem here is how to detect the users accurately. - MasterGrief, on 02/23/2009, -2/+11http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2004/3/19/green- ...
- IntruderII, on 02/23/2009, -0/+9Just to be clear... Valve hosts the steam servers, not the game servers. There is no way they could host all the game servers without some type of monthly fee.
- TrevorBelmont, on 02/23/2009, -0/+9OUTRAGEOUS!
- chewbie, on 02/23/2009, -1/+10the joy would quickly go away as you'd want the rush of dominating noobs back. it's basic psychology
- HurricaneDC, on 02/23/2009, -2/+10Don't post while high.
- HurricaneDC, on 02/23/2009, -0/+8You'd be surprised. I remember during my Battlefield 2-playing days that there were plenty of 'services' that for about $20-30 a month you got a hacking suite for games. They flaunted having multiple features, multi-game support, and automatic updates from the developers so that you'd have a low chance of getting caught by PunkBuster.
There were a LOT of people who paid for that stuff. It seems more common with games like BF2 which have stats-tracking, awards, etc. - Ajajadude, on 02/23/2009, -1/+9Trust me, some people don't care about anonymity. Sometimes I feel like I work in the internet with some of the customers I get...
- VirtualCtor, on 02/23/2009, -0/+7"Also it would be nice if xbox live had a complaint section to report people that are lagging in games."
Hopefully it will be more useful than the "trash-talk" option which allows people to report users that don't have a microphone plugged in. - donte, on 02/23/2009, -0/+7Yeah, it would be nice to play some games online with people whose response wasn't "this game is so gay" followed by some whiny litany of complaints trying cover up the to the fact that "player XYZ is just better than me" any time anybody beats them at it.
- Lunarbunny, on 02/23/2009, -0/+6As a PC gamer that makes the most sense to me, but I can understand why they might be hesitant. Look at complaints by both players and server owners about Left 4 Dead. And it's not like MS is going to put up enough money to host everything - I heard there were nearly $1m of servers for L4D's launch and it still didn't feel like enough.
- deweyhewson, on 02/23/2009, -1/+7Go outside. Please.
- deadbaby, on 02/23/2009, -2/+7You have to understand the mentality of someone who invests large amounts of times playing video games. It starts to become their reality and they lose perspective.
- godslayer, on 02/23/2009, -3/+8Cheaper than a years subscription to WoW.
- om3ganet, on 02/23/2009, -0/+5"Please see your system administrator"
At least, that's what I'm used to from 'em! - OUPablo, on 02/23/2009, -1/+6a dedicated server still doesn't protect you from a DDoS attack. A loser can still just use a botnet to clog your tubes if the game is running of a dedicated server.
Besides that, matchmaking in halo is a great thing and that would more than likely go away with dedicated servers. - xXFireSerMon, on 02/23/2009, -0/+5To sine: I wasn't debating the ease of forcing host in H2; simply pointing out that what this specific clan was doing was/is doing is denial of service--they had a website for awhile. They called it hostbooting because they would be off-host and still boot people.
To mem: I laugh at you because nothing I said was wrong--and never did I say that what I wrote was an in-depth instruction. - agbullet, on 02/23/2009, -0/+5Not just stats tracking; publicly-viewable stats tracking. The 'tards use it as some kind of e-penis metric, when in reality it's just a reflection of how efficiently you can reduce an integer to 0.
//Don't get me wrong - I love games... from TFC to TF2 to BF2 to COD. I just hate cheaters. - MrBogard, on 02/23/2009, -0/+4I don't know why you're getting buried. It's ridiculous that subscribers are forced into advertising.. and even more ridiculous that games don't come bundled with all of their content anymore. Street Fighter 4 just came out last week and it already had a 2P costume pack available for purchase. Five characters for four dollars. By the time they finish milking the 2P costumes, the game will have cost $80 for content that has been standard in 3D fighters since they were first conceived.
Shame. - jaundiced, on 02/23/2009, -0/+4i can't believe anything you say, you're an abusive, uninformed, rail-against-the-man whilst paying the man, anonymous, internet troll.
- Gloogle, on 02/23/2009, -1/+5You just pay xbox live to buy other stuff from xbox live and see stupid advertisements in the sides.
- gremlinchief, on 02/23/2009, -1/+5You mean DoS? DNS has nothing to do with what's going on here.
- Yoshiler, on 02/23/2009, -2/+5What about his lame?
- almostadesigner, on 02/23/2009, -3/+6Your lame.
- jsffive, on 02/23/2009, -0/+3It's why I got out of online gaming. Too many crybabies.
- GoldenGlovez, on 02/23/2009, -3/+6Obvious troll is obvious.
- iatethecake, on 02/23/2009, -4/+714 cents a day?
- asgardshill, on 02/23/2009, -0/+3I'll stick to MAME, thanks.
(That's because I suck the huge gray root at online games.) - falafelkiosken, on 02/23/2009, -0/+3wow, if you have to DoS someone because they beat you in an online game you must really be a loser
- falafelkiosken, on 02/23/2009, -1/+4internet is a microsoft product?
- Kizzlar, on 02/23/2009, -2/+5Scary hackers in their evil hacker lairs use them too! It's even scarier when it's underground! You're unsafe even when you're playing Uno on the internet with a naked man from Topeka!
- OUPablo, on 02/23/2009, -2/+4buried for "broseph" frat boy
- Lunarbunny, on 02/23/2009, -0/+2It reduces the chances of an individual attack because the server does not need to disclose the individual IP addresses of the clients. The server itself may be DDoSed but typically that takes a lot more zombies because they're hosted at a location with high bandwidth.
Matchmaking doesn't have to go away just because of dedicated servers, see Left 4 Dead. - SFIndian83, on 02/23/2009, -1/+34) Profit
- MrBogard, on 02/23/2009, -0/+2As IntruderII already alluded to, Valve doesn't host its own game servers. Just about no PC game fronts the bill for its dedicated servers. Servers are sold and rented through various providers by the community. Some are sponsored, some are just run by dedicated fans and clans. Microsoft could probably afford to run servers for a certain amount of MGS titles but it's sorta ridiculous to expect them to set up server farms for every game. Xbox Live wouldn't be $50 a year--it would be $15 a month *at least*.
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