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- Dalhectar, on 09/10/2008, -34/+241I think Vista was a good step in the right direction. It forced developers to not use the Windows Directory or the Program Files directory as their personal toilet. It forced app writers and driver writers to NOT assume every user is the admin of their machine. It meant that stuff had to work for guest level privileges and not god mode. I might be the owner of my computer, but the punk kid that sits at my machine for 2 minutes isn't. UAC whiners piss me off. Why do I have to type in my OS X password when I want to restore my iPod, and don't get me started with sudo commands in linux. Semi-Administrator modes are industry standard, and it's about time Windows caught up.
Vista still has issues. It should be FASTER than XP, not slower, although the margin is gettign better.. - toxicityj, on 09/10/2008, -146/+327I've been using it since launch and I've yet to see what's wrong with it other than it getting a bad rap from a bunch of ignorant xp/apple/linux fanboys.
- grumpyrain, on 09/11/2008, -22/+142Vista is the first (Microsoft) OS that I have ever used that recognised every one of my PC components and peripherals (including printers, phone, multifunction, gps, + the usual network / sound / video) and either had the driver on the DVD or downloaded it automatically. On my home PC, it has never BSODd, and on the two occasions that there has been a driver crash, I only found out about it because the screen flickered and a balloon popped up from the system tray to tell me the video driver had crashed and was restarted. On XP that would have been a BSOD my friend. Startup time is well under 30 seconds to login, and about 2 seconds from login to responsive desktop. This from a PC with a $100 CPU (back in January) and well under $50 worth of RAM.
In fact I noticed very little change (good or bad) in SP1 asides from the network speed (which was actually a hotfix prior to SP1).
Then I had the "pleasure" of trying to configure a colleagues laptop. It came pre-installed with Vista Ultimate from an OEM who I will not name. Start up time is about 45 seconds to login screen, and the thing is still trying to launch startup programs a minute later. It also crashed (literally froze the Vista host) when I attempted to open a 2003 Server under VMWare. So I can see the other side as well. I would be really pissed if that was my only experience of Vista. But it is largely the OEMs to blame, taking kickbacks of a few dollars for every antivirus trial they install. They end up with so much bloat you don't know what is installed. I recommend a clean install immediately to remove the crud OEMs like to install. - Elranzer, on 09/10/2008, -12/+105XP is faster than Vista, but to be fair, Windows 3.1 ***** flies on my setup.
- seltaeb4, on 09/11/2008, -47/+103Defending Microsoft Windows=Stockholm Syndrome.
- Marlorn, on 09/11/2008, -33/+82I use Vista and no complaints thus far.
Media hype.
*shrug* - Benadrit, on 09/10/2008, -27/+59What a waste of time. A few general supposedly ascribed sort of caveats from a source. Come on. It's a whitewash for Vista. Let all of your problems be solved by SP1. Title is a complete mislead. and the article a giant waste of time. I should bury it but, oh Hell I will. Deceptive title and no info. a waste.
- maximumsteve1, on 09/11/2008, -9/+41-I had driver problems galore when I first started using it
-Networking was extremely slow, vista doesn't even cache the computers on the network
-Amount of mouse clicks to get anywhere or do anything skyrocketed
-i installed visual studio 2008 and i couldn't even create a project because vista was confusing itself over administrator rights... this is fixed now, but that was the end of it for me.
I still use windows since I have to.... but linux is such a better user experience. All the programs I need I know are going to be free w/o virii and easy to find in the package manager. The file system is so much easier to understand, I can easily find program settings instead of digging through the registry or program folder directory. I can easily port my settings anywhere by keeping my home folder on a pen drive. Common file manipulation is a breeze once you learn bash so I no longer have to get finger cramps holding down the shift key while clicking which files i want to delete or move. - diegoferreyra, on 09/11/2008, -4/+27I'm not going to flame or defend Vista, but this article. Who did they talk to? What representative at Microsoft said this? Why would they give this site and not any other more known site the exclusive??
Sounds like fake to me. - dsmx, on 09/11/2008, -4/+26The problem with vista was not your experience with it, it was with the experience microsoft promised and what you actually got. So many things were promised with directx10 for example I remember one being improved game performance, whatever happened to that?
- GorfTron, on 09/11/2008, -6/+27My wish list for windows?
1 Make the browser's internals separate from the registry or at least unable to infect my system with ***** from the internet. There is no excuse for an application that pollutes the entire computer to the point of having to reinstall my OS.
2 Make a good, programmable shell on the order of ksh or bash. A small team could handle this with ease.
3 Keep the system footprint under control. One of the reasons I avoid vista is that I am at the breaking point with fatware.
4 Use some intelligence to cache small, frequently used apps(without screwing up 3). I click stuff it the tray all the time(like Play Control) and it takes forever to load - EVERY TIME(I have 1.5 gig ram and I'm sure the program is a few K). - parax, on 09/11/2008, -3/+23Apparently the writer at MaximumPC is unfamiliar with the style of an interview, such as the Question/Response format. It's a few pages of personal opinions, speculations, and references to previous articles, that's not an interview.
When the title says "Exclusive Interview:..." I expect a name or title somewhere in there and some kind of verbal exchange.
Maximum PC: So what went wrong with Vista?
Mail room clerk Billy: Not really sure, but we get a lot of letters about it. One thing that was wrong, I work for the damn place and I didn't even get a free copy. ::mumbles something about strychnine in the guacamole:: - yoda17, on 09/11/2008, -8/+28There's nothing really wrong with it. It's just that there is nothing really right with it. The 'and also' factor. Besides people don't use operating systems and unless you are are a programmer, you don't even see the operating system doing things like opening files, creating threads and allocating memory.
Personally, I was very disappointed in the GUI respect to what it is vs what it could or should have been which is what most people think of as the OS. In reality, someone could take the Vista GUI and run it on Linux or XP and the vast majority of the population wouldn't know the difference. - soundman07, on 09/10/2008, -15/+35Funny how I didn't need administrator privileges to bury you.
- abrasion, on 09/11/2008, -14/+32Hi Elranzer, I see you've been modded down for being pro XP.
It seems basically that Vista is the new lovechild of digg, you can't get away with criticism of it, be it constructive or trolling.
I've made several posts outlining the serious user interface issues with Vista, specifically genuine bugs which were missing in XP, design flaws which were simply outright wrong or awkward, I've pointed out how I don't find Vista unstable and I don't find Vista toooo slow (it is slower, no doubt, denying this is lies)
Anyhow I hope the fellow IT geeks who actually seem to USE their computers to their full extent by working with the OS, the file system, applications, explorer and realise that Vista has flaws decide to mod you up as I have.
For a start Vista is missing a folders button, I can't tell you how many server admins and geek friends of mine have whined about that one excessively along with the 'up' button being missing, also the breadcrumbs are NOT intuitive, they are bloody annoying
but alas, this is digg where you elranzer and I shall be mod'd down because we have the 'audacity'! to claim Vista isn't the bees knees.
Until there's an explorer shell replacement for Vista, fixing the flaws, I will continue to stick with XP absoloutely as long as possible. - gcnaddict, on 09/11/2008, -3/+20At least his comment was more useful than yours.
:) - skewer324, on 09/11/2008, -0/+16You're a former Microsoft developer and you're asking Digg about a tech problem? And you call a corrupted OS a "dead box?"
Wow. No wonder. - tedrock, on 09/11/2008, -4/+19i failed to see the interview part of this...
- c4m320n, on 09/11/2008, -2/+17keyword here being "BETA"
- theaceoffire, on 09/11/2008, -2/+16Vista is a decent OS. It looks nice, works better than some previous OS's, and has features that we thought should have been there from the start.
However, I think my issue was that it had increased Ram requirements from 64MB to 1GB, increased processor requirements from 333 MHz to 1 GHz, increased Hard drive requirements from 1.5 GB to 35GB, and required a video card... but that it didn't add much for the user.
In other words, its cost, requirements, and complexity went through the roof, but did not create an amazing advancement like from 98 to XP.
That is why I started trying other OS's out... and why businesses did not adopt Vista as quickly as MS expected. - e68895f, on 09/11/2008, -4/+18Windows Vista - Where Do You Want To Go after the next service pack
- wolferz, on 09/11/2008, -5/+19An OS shouldn't consume 128 Mb of RAM!
-Guy complaining about XP
An OS shouldn't consume 64 Mb of RAM!
-Guy complaining about ME
An OS shouldn't consume 32 Mb of RAM!
-Guy complaining about 98se
An OS shouldn't consume 16 Mb of RAM!
-Guy complaining about 98
An OS shouldn't consume 8 Mb of RAM!
-Guy complaining about 95osr2
An OS shouldn't consume 4 Mb of RAM!
-Guy complaining about 95
And the farther back you go the more valid the claims were... because in the time of windows 95 8 megs of ram was 250 bux. Today I can get a Gig of ram for the price of one extra large pizza. - willski, on 09/11/2008, -4/+17The difference between UAC and OS X's elevated mode is that elevated mode asks for permission once. When you install a downloaded app, you can be prompted three or four times for permission to do things, but the OS gives you no indication whatsoever what it's doing.
It's a good idea, and smart, but a terribly flawed implementation that does nothing more than train the user to always mash allow. - Perlpro, on 09/11/2008, -9/+22As an ex-microsoft employee and developer on Vista (when it was called Longhorn), I was a fanboy from day 1. Unfortunately, I had nothing but troubles with Vista Ultimate on my dual-core home box. The video card I had could not support multiple monitors or the Aero interface, had to upgrade. Game crashes and reboots were common.
I now have a dead box that is stuck in an infinite reboot cycle after microsoft update apparently download an incompatible hotfix.
Anyone know how to fix the infamous crcdisk.sys reboot? - wolferz, on 09/11/2008, -4/+1664-bit computing (the only Windows that does this without hemorrhaging stupid). Improved support for wireless and bluetooth (bluetooth support was not included in xp and wireless support was... quaint... in xp). Improved security model (not available or even implementable under XP). Prefetch (arguably as much a bug as a feature). Enhanced support for multimedia and multimedia devices (better supports audio and video input, streaming of video to other devices, and communicating with portable devices that previous versions of windows and any Linux distro I've ever used). Naively supports most of my programs and will be supported by future programs (something *nix and Mac cannot and will never do... especially in the area of games). Manufacture provided software and drivers for hardware (also not available under *nix in most cases and not universally available under Mac).
There's a lot more but I'm getting tired. Time for bed soon. - DforSpiD, on 09/11/2008, -0/+12In what way is this exclusive?
What's being excluded from what? - jakem1, on 09/11/2008, -2/+14There's nothing wrong with Microsoft staff engaging in honest discussion about their products. One of the great things about Microsoft over the last few years has been their increasing openness with their customers. You'll find Microsoft staff appearing on a number of forums on the internet and they're often quite candid and helpful. They certainly shouldn't be attacked for increased transparency.
- ajames01, on 09/11/2008, -12/+23Feels pretty good actually. I haven't had one single problem associated with Vista yet.
- laserdog, on 09/11/2008, -6/+17Tell them they're running something called Mojave, I hear that fixes all Vista related issues. =P
- Darkaged, on 09/11/2008, -1/+11Nope.
- jakem1, on 09/11/2008, -1/+11The millions are being spent now that the main problems have been sorted out. There's nothing wrong with that and they are entitled to promote their product. If they'd released this campaign 18 months ago you might have had a good argument but not now.
- Stevethegreat, on 09/11/2008, -10/+20Since the official launch of SP1 I (have bought and) use Vista x64, having 4gigs of memory, it has been proved the best OS ever 'till now. I haven't used Vista before SP1 thus I can't comment on that but from then on it has been proved an exceptional operating system.
- dudefaceguyman, on 09/11/2008, -7/+17***** grow a pair and try it for yourself. Jebus, Vista is a perfectly decent OS if your computer isn't absolute garbage.
While that 'Mojave" advertisement was a little dorky, it was completely true. People take these Apple Ad's and Vista bashing articles like it's the word from God. Thinking if they try Vista they'll go straight to hell to burn for all eternity.
..and I'm a goddamn Mac fan. Don't make me defend Microsoft, it gives me a rash. - Gizza, on 09/11/2008, -0/+9I'm using Vista on my Media Centre PC and it works great. The crazy thing is that I could not manage to install my tuner card drivers either from the driver CD or from the companies website. I tried a whole heap of different ones including 32bit and XP. Finally I just gave up, but then when running Windows Update it had it listed, so I just let it do it thing, and it worked perfectly.
- jewishmafio, on 09/11/2008, -3/+12My biggest Vista Quabble now... PRINTER DRIVERS. Otherwise, it runs perfectly for me. SP1 fixed a billion issues and it runs smooth as butter.
- DforSpiD, on 09/11/2008, -1/+10http://www.maximumpc.com/user/willsmith
Will Smith look a little different without makeup... a little whiter perhaps? - rpark, on 09/11/2008, -12/+21One day Microsoft says Vista is a screw up and the next their paying millions on an advertising campaign on why its not. You would think it would just be easier if they did say anything but I guess thats to easy.
- deminicus, on 09/11/2008, -0/+8after some research I made the switch. no issues other than getting used to something newer. You are gonna find that most people that switch these days will be fine but it's always the ones that had issues that you will here about. Bad news simply is louder and more interesting.
- inactive, on 09/11/2008, -9/+17I've been saying Vista is alright about after 6 months from its public launch. Before that I was like holy **** this can't be on pc's already can it!?
- djchester, on 09/11/2008, -0/+8http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stockholm_syndrome
- enantiodromia, on 09/11/2008, -2/+10it can get you an education so your stupid mouth wouldn't make you look like an imbecile
- jakem1, on 09/11/2008, -1/+9Reported.
1st post: "I never used Vista, never will"
2nd post: "I have tried Vista".
Not only are your arguments feeble but you're a liar. - CarnivalOfDust, on 09/11/2008, -2/+10Might as well *have* given you a grammar lesson.
- enantiodromia, on 09/11/2008, -3/+11mmhmm. i run it on several "slower" machines just fine. maybe you suck at Windows?
- S1lkySm00th, on 09/11/2008, -0/+8Methinks you should replace the 'r' in your name with 'w'.
- TomNZ, on 09/11/2008, -4/+11Typical naive misconception. It's actually a GOOD thing for an OS to use memory. The key is that it uses it well. Vista does just that; intelligently preloading software into free RAM when it thinks you need it, and bringing cached applications back into memory so they don't suffer a laggy loading period when you switch back to them. In other words, it's actually XP's memory management which is inferior. Sure, the OS itself is slightly bigger, but what do you expect? EVERY new OS is going to take up more memory as its list of features grows. Suck it up. Memory is cheap.
- dudefaceguyman, on 09/11/2008, -3/+10"I never used Vista, never will. I've been using XP Pro, and I'm glad I stayed solid." Ya it would've helped your argument if you didn't say this. But, whatever. I'm sure you know all about Vista, probably spent an entire 10 minutes with it!
You probably hadn't even hit puberty when XP hit and don't remember how bad THAT OS was on launch. The issues with Vista are so minor they're pretty much negligable and I have to say Vista is one of the better Microsoft launches. The 'hated features' everyone rants on about can be turned off anyways. (memory hogging is just prefetching data to make the computer run faster, but if you're so anal about visually seeing less memory getting used you can turn it off, cancel/allow can be disabled, sidebar removed, etc)
You're just a goddamn little bitch who follows the pack. Go on you sheep, go wank off to some anti-vista articles with the rest of your kind. You're not wanted here. - grumpyrain, on 09/11/2008, -0/+7> It IS microsoft's fault for changing their driver stacks.
Totally! It was such a better experience when they ran all their drivers in kernel mode. How dare they change their stack to user mode. I want more BSODs from poorly tested drivers please. - Meep3D, on 09/11/2008, -3/+10Ahh, gotta love the grandiose allegations of brokenness backed up with no evidence or examples what-so-ever.
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