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- inactive, on 11/18/2008, -2/+51Microsoft pissing people off? No Way!
- television, on 11/18/2008, -0/+25It is 1am but I'm pretty sure that's written badly.
- mrroarke, on 11/18/2008, -2/+27As opposed to all of the warm, friendly emails that normally show up in lawsuits?
- TomKarpik, on 11/18/2008, -1/+20How did this make it to where it did on Digg? The article has almost nothing to it!
I was expecting to read some choice expletives from our favourite monkey exec, but there were just a few PC quotes, and then it ended. - megamod, on 11/18/2008, -2/+20wait a minute 256MB isn't enough to run vista? DOH!
- jiqiren, on 11/18/2008, -2/+17Steve Ballmer said he had "nothing to do with this."
Total *****. Great way to run your company; jerk. - speedk0re, on 11/18/2008, -2/+16DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS
mushrooooooom mushroooooooom - davidtowers, on 11/18/2008, -0/+12Not a surprise that Ballmer's legacy of mr angry man is replicated within Microsoft....
http://www.goodwebpractices.com/funny/steve-ballme ... - sprotacular, on 11/18/2008, -0/+9Ohhhhhh it's a snaake.
- nesagwa, on 11/18/2008, -0/+7snAAAaaaaAAAAkkkeeeeee oooohhh ittssaa snaaAAAaaaakkkkee
- deweyhewson, on 11/18/2008, -0/+5Poorly.
- frjsanders, on 11/18/2008, -2/+7wasn't it obvious. you need a new (NEWER) computer just to try and run it
- Rikkochet, on 11/18/2008, -0/+5Did you read the article?
HP (and others) are pissed that Microsoft green lighted their PC specs as Vista-capable when they absolutely were not able to run that bloated pig of an OS. I'd be indignant, too - remember that the OEMs are the ones who have to provide OS support for their customers. - Ricochetbiscuit, on 11/18/2008, -0/+5Drunk emailing is always a baaad idea.
- ncc74656m, on 11/18/2008, -1/+5Because we ALL know that HP is concerned for consumer welfare, and would NEVER EVER decieve their clients.
Oh, and speaking of which, has anyone tried to replace a wireless card in a recently manufactured HP laptop? They use the BIOS to blacklist cards that aren't resold by them, and when they admit it, they claim it's because they have to comply with federal standards about wireless power and all that, which is BS since no other mfr does it. - Murdats, on 11/18/2008, -1/+4you realise that vista has been released right? you don't have to keep running the beta.
I see no reason why any of that would not work under vista, unless they are 20 years old and you are running 64bit. - artfuldodga, on 11/18/2008, -0/+3barely enough to run XP well =]
- 4321234, on 11/18/2008, -0/+3No, it's Microsoft's fault. People didn't buy old computers. They bought NEW computers that had MS logo'd stickers on them saying they were capable of running Vista. There was no asterisk with "like a dose of clap" in fine print.
- wrobin, on 11/18/2008, -0/+3
I don't think you are quite understanding the issue.
While Microsoft was still developing Vista they gave OEMs a set of spec's that would be able to run Vista. HP is saying they retooled to meet the specs.
Then at the last moment Microsoft loosened the standards and created a subclass certification "Vista Capable" that could sorta run the OS, but without any of the features that would make it an upgrade from XP. This was sold on a lot of lower end PCs before Vista was released.
To be fair Microsoft didn't really want to do it, my understanding is they were talked into it because Intel was afraid of being left holding the bag with a lot of low end chips (graphics more than likely) that it could sell because the assumption is people wouldn't want to buy a PC if they didn't think it could run the soon to be released OS.
Basically HP is complaining that Microsoft sold out the people who actually supported their reqs, to help those who didn't, and in the process PO'd a whole lot of customers who were naive and belived that when Microsoft certified that hardware would run the new OS, that it would actually run the OS, not a gimp'd version of it. - gettophilosophr, on 11/18/2008, -0/+2Gmail Labs released something called "Email Goggles" to help with that. If you send an email late at night, it asks you to answer a couple easy math problems. If you answer incorrectly, it strongly advises you to wait till morning to send that email.
I LOL'd. - inactive, on 11/18/2008, -1/+3better than drunk gun cleaning
- hartley, on 11/18/2008, -1/+3read a webpage.
pretty much all hardware works with vista. what doesn't 99% of the time can be fixed by using the xp driver.
$10 says vista can run whatever crap hardware you got. - veriix, on 11/18/2008, -0/+2It's not just HP that does that, my old thinkpad was BIOS locked from installing different wireless cards.
- 4321234, on 11/18/2008, -0/+2Microsoft "vista capable" stickers were showing up on store shelves before Vista was available. How the hell were people supposed to know better?
- sprotacular, on 11/18/2008, -0/+2What an awesome article.
- typedef, on 11/18/2008, -2/+3I......LOVE......THIS.....COMPANY YEAHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
- jellygraph, on 11/18/2008, -1/+2Will Poole is a tool. But, really... I bet those losers Balmer and Allchin are just trying to pass the blame for the fact that they _all_ screwed up. Typical execs passing the buck.
- clutchperformer, on 11/18/2008, -0/+1Interesting you bring that up. HP could have saved themselves some money, in my case, had they not locked the BIOS down.
I had a laptop, knew the problem was the WiFi card. And I knew how to replace it. So I ordered an Intel unit.
It didn't work so I had to send my computer in for warranty replacement. I got a new laptop out of it... and they lost the revenue from my purchasing an extended warranty. Just 3 days before the warranty expired.
Does anyone know how to get past that BIOS lockout? - inactive, on 11/18/2008, -1/+2I am talking search features, stability, etc.
- hrpmike, on 11/20/2008, -0/+099% of the time is not good enough when making money is on the line. A day lost getting preventable problems taken care of can cost thousands. Sorry if me running XP on my Dell that will run one basic program for the next 5-6 years offends you.
- OBKenobi, on 11/19/2008, -1/+1All empires eventually collapse. I'm surprised Microsoft has lasted this long.
- fuse13, on 11/18/2008, -0/+0Microsoft is pretty big. He isnt going to be onto everything.
- DonJuanAussi, on 11/19/2008, -0/+0A parallel Space Puck. Want to go double or nothing? Easy money.
- zunigbab, on 11/18/2008, -1/+1Ballmer is CEO and all he can say is "Will handled everything." That guy has ZERO leadership skills!
- barstool, on 11/18/2008, -4/+3Yes, because it's all Microsoft's fault that HP bogs their system down with more bloatware than anyone (including Sony). It took me a solid week to finally get my HP tablet working properly. Had to use drivers direct from Wacom, Realtek, Intel, etc, because the ones on HP's site caused my PC to hang on shutdown.
PC manufacturer Exects need to shut their holes about MS, and eliminate all the extra software that nobody needs or wants. This goes for printers especially.
Most PCs sold with Vista COULD have handled it just fine without the trial software, and useless trinkets the manufacturers decided to load up. - nkassi, on 11/18/2008, -3/+2Stealing? YOU'RE KIDDING RIGHT? Apple was not the first 64-bit os.
- lead2thehead, on 11/18/2008, -3/+2That's HP's fault. Being "compatible" does not guarantee that it will be fast. It just means that it will work. And it does work.
- DonJuanAussi, on 11/19/2008, -1/+0Did you know that automator was stolen from Amiga's Workbench feature AREXX? That the CORE system was stolen from the Amiga's parrelel processing within graphics chips/sound chips, etc? That the dock was stolen from the BBC Archimedie's OS. That your resizing dragbars were stolen from the Amiga's Workbench. That your spaces was almost stolen (but still failed) form the Amiga's Workbench feature of "unlimited Virtual Screens"?
Not to mention that in 1985 Steve rubbished the Amiga's features like colour screens, preemptive multitasking, DTV, animation, industry standardised ports, games, two and three button mice, touch screens, light pens (draw directly on screen)... basically anything the Mac did not have... which was everything.
Recently I have seen Happy Steve copy as much off Angry Steve as Angry Steve has copied off Happy Steve. - DonJuanAussi, on 11/19/2008, -2/+0By learning that the last 10 times they believed a Microsoft claim, and it did not work as well as Microsoft had claimed
- aidave, on 11/18/2008, -4/+2Those execs need to smoke some pot.
- Stonekeeper, on 11/18/2008, -3/+1A friend of mine made the great observation that the dude was saying "magic" not "badger" :)
- lead2thehead, on 11/18/2008, -5/+2I'd be pissed too. If your computer is Vista compatible, that does NOT mean that it will run EVERY advanced feature... especially the ones that require specialized hardware. That's just stupid.
"Ohh boo hoo... Vista supports Direct3D 10, but my graphics card only supports Direct3D 9. Now I have to run my games in backwards compatibilty mode. Woe is me!" - Ajzimm3rman, on 11/19/2008, -3/+0Wow...another anti-Microsoft news article.
- inactive, on 11/18/2008, -3/+0
HP contributes to free software projects such as the Linux operating system. Some HP employees, such as Linux CTO and former Debian Project Leader Bdale Garbee, actively contribute and have Open Source job responsibilities. Many others participate in the Open Source community as volunteers. HP is also known in the (GNU/) Linux community for releasing drivers for most of their printers under the GNU GPL
what happen to debian hp?
http://www.sheltron.net/images/quirky/onlythedogkn ... - artfuldodga, on 11/18/2008, -7/+2i love vista and i can't wait to see what windows7 has in store =] ... best of all i won't need to upgrade when 7 is available, considering it runs on a netbook right now.
- inactive, on 11/18/2008, -8/+3Ever since running Vista 64, I have a hard time going back to my Mac OS. Microsoft did a great job stealing from Apple.
- hrpmike, on 11/18/2008, -5/+0Dell wants up to $150 extra for the same hardware with XP instead of Vista.
I was looking for two computers for point of sale stations and I have no confidence the scanners, card readers and label printers will work in Vista. - Princeamor, on 11/18/2008, -13/+7Wow... I guess NOBODY likes Vista...
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