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- schestowitz, on 10/10/2007, -6/+44Xellent!11
- MeneerR, on 10/10/2007, -2/+27You could already hotplug stuff. It's just that the hotpluggina of stuff that X needs to deal with, is now done by X itself. All major distro's already support hotplugging mouse. And Windows only supported hotplugging of monitors after 200.
My guess is: you weren't even born in 1990. So, what the ***** are you talking about? - Cl1mh4224rd, on 10/10/2007, -0/+14(OT rant against the comments system...)
Holy *****, digg. Not only do comments you just submit display "double-spaced", but when you refresh the page (which corrects the doubled-spaced issue) your ability to edit goes bye-bye. I just had a 117 second window left, and *poof*.... - mikedoth, on 10/10/2007, -1/+13I am already able to hot plug mice and keyboards in Linux.
- geminitojanus, on 10/10/2007, -2/+13This is on top of the retarded "boxed" threading, double posts that should be disallowed from happening (and could *easily* be done; have the server give the reply a hash, if you receive the same exact hash twice, discard one of the submissions, and this is just one of the few different ways they could do it), and the weird "timeout"-style bugs that disallow you from commenting without refreshing.
This comment system is quite possibly one of the worst in the history of the interwebs. - aywwts4, on 10/10/2007, -0/+9Anyone remember the old _really_ threaded comment systems, where it would just be a plaintext
This system sucks, by Cl1mh4224rd
--->Re: This system sucks, by Cl1mh4224rd
------>Agreed, by Gemintojanus
--->Anyone Remember?... by aywwts4
Your browser would save the threads you have clicked on and grey them out, conversations could fork and bend in any way you want, hundreds of threads deep, and it really wasnt hard to read and didnt require much overhead.
While not astheticly pleasing, it was a better system than this implementation of threading, which requires twice the space and 500 times the bandwidth and system resources to accomplish less. If I even try to run digg on my 1ghz laptop, (I know it's not fast, but it does what I need on the go, and it Should, run reading text online without problem.) Instead I try and load a few pages, then walk away, wait for my computer to freeze up, lockup, and wait for firefox to prompt me if i want to stop scripts on the page, then I can use my computer again. How the Hell did that even make it out of beta testing? Did they even try their code on an old computer?
Finaly, oh hey, My session has expired. (And it did the double spacing error, which seems to go away if you edit, which if you read this, I was allowed to do) - etherag, on 10/10/2007, -0/+8Ummm... I agree with OC... hotplugging input devices (at least Keyboards and Mice) hasn't been an issue for me. Monitors is a nice add though. Took way too long to get that put it.
- sparf, on 10/10/2007, -1/+9Now begins the frustratingly long wait for Pat to merge it into Slackware.
- Cl1mh4224rd, on 10/10/2007, -0/+7> "You could always you know... apt-get upgrade ... once it's in the repository. . ."
Assuming he wants to add the backports respository (I think) and wait 3+ months.
> ". . .or install from source.."
And risk breaking many, many things. Not to mention losing the ability to easily upgrade using apt. - hoyanf, on 10/10/2007, -0/+7You can try hotplugging the PS/2 Keyboard/Mouse on Windows...
- groverblue, on 10/10/2007, -2/+8>hotplugging of input devices
awesome - userundefine, on 10/10/2007, -1/+7Thanks. Call us when you Vista and OS X guys get Linux's modern features and we'll welcome you too.
- gotamd, on 10/10/2007, -1/+7This should have come out a long time ago. Anyway, good work. I'm looking forward to it.
- marx2k, on 10/10/2007, -0/+5Do you work in marketing?
- ogryn, on 10/10/2007, -0/+5From the Gutsy Blueprints: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/xorg7.3
"2007-08-17 bryce: as discussed at the developer meeting yesterday, we're going to opt for leaving xserver 1.4 for Gutsy+1. In checking with some upstream xorg developers, they concur this is probably the wise approach given our release schedule. The piece required for displayconfig-gtk, xrandr 1.2, has already been included in Gutsy, so this will not impact either of those specs."
That page suggests that some modules have already been moved across... - sneakerelph, on 10/10/2007, -3/+8I see what you did there.
- jackyyll, on 10/10/2007, -0/+5You could always you know... apt-get upgrade ... once it's in the repository, or install from source..
- ilgaz, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4Slackware binary packages get into official port a bit late for one reason: It is easy to compile anything on slackware which has everything in place.
./configure
./make
./make install - andycr512, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4Finally I apparently can, with my laptop, hook up to an external monitor and have it extend the desktop without me having to do any configuration.
- Tenoq, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4Yep, still doesn't work in 2007 on an XP box. Where were you going with this?
- kahrn, on 10/10/2007, -1/+4I think you are correct. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyReleaseSchedule
- 4DFX, on 10/10/2007, -1/+4Oh wow, can I be your friend?
Joke aside: I don't think everyone knows exactly what hotplugging is: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hotplugging - Ksilebo, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3I haven't used PS/2 keyboards/mice for something like 6 years.
- hugotheschmugo, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3*Parts* of it will be included (this is possible because the x-stuff has a very modular architecture), but *not* including input hot-plugging. See this forum post by Bryce Harrington, (I think he is the the Ubuntu x-org maintainer)
http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=3223971&postcount=52 - trogdoor, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3No OS is "ready for prime time" really, in fact no much in the IT industry truly is.
- lassegs, on 10/10/2007, -3/+5But Ubuntu 7.10 will still not include it? Or am I wrong?
- sybesis, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2Hot plug work for me...
Well, they may talk about different hotplug than let say usb device...
Seriously...ps2 bus aren't hot pluggable inside windows...if the computer doesn't bootup with a ps2 mouse or keyboard...and you plug it after the boot...it shouldn't work...
there may have some other db9 device etc that may not work as good as usb device does... - init100, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2"Not only do comments you just submit display "double-spaced""
The workaround is to edit the post and resubmit. But even if you don't the double-spacing is only visible to you. I'm happy that multiple paragraphs are now possible, unlike before, when multiple paragraphs were aggregated into one fat blob. - morphir, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2xorg 7.2 builds is available in the slackware repos. Right? So you can use the compile flags there, if necessery.
- drpunkerz, on 10/10/2007, -3/+5It's about freakin' time...
- MioTheGreat, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2Yes, it does. I don't know anyone who has ever had a problem with it.
Unless you don't install your video drivers, or something. - inactive, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2There was some question as to weather or not Ubuntu would include the current version of xorg but thankfully some people manage to work on it and got it in. It would be nice to see it happen for this but given the amount of flack Ubuntu had from broken xorg in the past it might not happen.
Then again its only 1 component from memory (just xserver) the rest is 7.3 already afaik. Unfortunately that's the hotplugging bit - etherag, on 10/10/2007, -2/+4Took the words out of my mouth... windows has been able to do this for years now... always bugged me that X couldn't.
- Gavagai80, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2Well considering I've never had to reboot when switching mice, keyboards, USB devices and so on, and have never had occasion to switch monitors with the computer on, I'm not sure this "years late" feature is useful to more than a tiny fraction of people.
Having to reboot for Windows updates is obviously considerably more of a disability to a computer. - klaruz, on 10/10/2007, -2/+3If you try doing that in any OS you're a fool. I've personally seen many PS/2 ports blown out by hotplugging. Better hope the mobo supports usb keyboards and mice or you'll be buying a new board.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PS/2_connector#Potential_damage - zwaldowski, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1They're including X11, not XServer. That includes the hotplugging.
- drpunkerz, on 10/10/2007, -3/+4Finally...
- rville, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1I dont get it.
Isnt this like a very basic feature which should have been in every system like several years now? - MioTheGreat, on 10/10/2007, -2/+2Very well then.
We welcome X to the Hotplugging monitor goodness of 2000. - ratpH1nk, on 10/10/2007, -4/+3I agree, this is a step in the right direction, but it is really years late. This is another step in the direction of Linux as a viable consumer OS. Closer and closer everyday, but it is things like this, just arriving in X Windows, that I think about when people start saying Linux is primetime, granny OS.
It isn't, but it is closer then it has ever been. - Sneakernets, on 10/10/2007, -10/+3I hope this isn't listed as a security update on Ubuntu, else a lot of people with ATI cards will be pissed.
- Ksilebo, on 10/10/2007, -13/+4I don't understand why this is so special. I've done this on Mac OS and Windows for years now...
- inactive, on 10/10/2007, -16/+2WELCOME TO MAC OS SYSTEM 6!
- bhalo05, on 10/10/2007, -30/+6I welcome UNIX to 1990.
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