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- EbenieRosa, on 10/12/2007, -3/+30But Wine is not an emulator.
- dagamer34, on 10/12/2007, -3/+27@psygnisfive
Yeah, Wine is never going to reach 1.0 because Windows software is rarely fully compatible with Windows itself! - demonsofgoetia, on 10/12/2007, -2/+19I'd suggest anyone interested in building WINE for themselves read this page:
http://wiki.winehq.org/Recommended_Packages
Building wine without some (or all?) of the above mentioned recommended packages (versions may differ from those printed for a few dev packages at above link) is not something I recommend. You may find some bumps in the road to using your newly built wine if you don't have certain packages installed prior to your build. It may say everything is dandy when you ./configure without them, but that doesn't mean a particular program you try to run with wine later won't burp, sputter, and fail because you didn't install one or more of the recommended packages it needed before you built wine from source.
Downloading Wine source:
http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=6241&package_id=77449
You can import Alexandre Julliard's key like so:
gpg --keyserver wwwkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys B9461DD7
Then when you download wine source packages (downloading the bz2 and the sign file) you can verify it before using:
gpg --verify wine-0.9.28.tar.bz2.sign wine-0.9.28.tar.bz2
Substitute the wine version you downloaded for the above example in verifying the sig. Some may say that you don't need to follow this step, but it's very important to verify the gpg sigs of software you download before using.
And remember, there's the WINE IRC channel to get live answers to your questions:
irc://irc.freenode.net/winehq
There are lots of helpful people there!
For Ubuntu Edgy users, I've found the following works great (after installing the recommended dev packages):
./configure CFLAGS=-fno-stack-protector
make depend
make
sudo make install
make clean
P.S. Of course, if you just install from a repo then you can ignore this if building from source is not for you. - demonsofgoetia, on 10/12/2007, -0/+14"It never fails to amaze me how far people will go out of their way to find a solution to an already solved problem"
It never fails to amaze me how people will go out of their way to pay for a closed source solution to an already solved problem. Open source is the future.
"Go ahead and Digg me down"
As you wish
"anti-M$ fanboys"
Merry Christmas to you, too. - demonsofgoetia, on 10/12/2007, -2/+15Cool, someone modded me down for contributing something helpful. Glad to see the monkeys have been released for the holidays.
- GMorgan, on 10/12/2007, -0/+11I thought WINE was going to reach V 1 when it had implemented fully the core API. The versions are based on this and not entirely random.
This still doesn't mean complete compatibility because the Windows core API keeps changing slightly but there is a specific target for V1, its when the ToDo list is clear.
It's just another case of OSS app not calling an unfinished product V 1. If it was a proprietry app they'd have called it a release a while ago (indeed they did, its called crossover). - demonsofgoetia, on 10/12/2007, -0/+11If you're wondering whether a certain application will work in Wine, search for it on the Wine Application Database:
http://appdb.winehq.org/ - Haroldx, on 10/12/2007, -3/+14He's right guys, stop digging him down.
_W_ine _I_s _N_ot an _E_mulator
It's what their name means.
Wikipedia it. - RedIcculus, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8@ strabes- It's called a recursive acronym. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recursive_acronym
- mmcmonster, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7Well, sometimes it's just plain inconvenient to reboot.
Yes, time is very important for me. On the other hand, so is having a stable system that I don't have to wipe the drive (ever) and reinstall everything. I don't even have to reboot, except for the occasional kernel update (at most every month?).
And, using wine and opensource applications, I've noticed that there are only two things I use windows for: 1. Ripping DVDs, 2. Accessing the work system via Citrix. And that's only because the work system will only allow me to connect via an activeX component and IE. And guess what? That activeX component is broken with IE7, so the company web page is telling people not to update their systems or use Firefox. Serves them right. :-)
So I use wine to rip DVDs with DVDshrink and DVDecrypter. And I use vmware server to run Win2K to log into my work system in an entirely sandboxed OS. Works for me.
Using opensource, I stay a hell of a lot more legal than all those people downloading cracked versions of Windows and various windows apps. Which keeps me generally out of the crosshairs of the law. That's good enough for me. :-) - rowjimmy, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7i've had pretty good success with cedega, where wine wont work, playing windoze games on my linux box.
actually have got a valid, legit, and (gasp!) legally obtained copy of xp sitting around somewhere, but have no desire to waste hd space to install it - schestowitz, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7They release Wine on Christmas eve?!?! They must have had too much wine...
[edit: I notice that it was posted on the 22nd] - demonsofgoetia, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6@BryanJK:
"most of todays good games and applications are made for the Windows platform..."
Games, perhaps, but I disagree re: applications. IMO, it's about freedom, something most people who guzzle down whatever OS is shoved in front of their fat face will never learn or care about, so long as their shiny boxed game of colorful whiz-bang fancy graphics can flow in front of them. Times are changing, open source is becoming more popular world-wide, eventually, IMO, game companies and gfx card makers will [again] develop for more than DirectX.
"Microsoft DirectX killing innovation" @ TheInquirer.net
http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=8556
"deals enabled Microsoft to maintain its dominance"
http://www.techweb.com/news/story/msftdoj/TWB19981019S0021 - strabes, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5How can you be an "anti-something" fanboy? Doesn't being a fanboy require you to be ridiculously in love with whatever product we are discussing? Do I know what I'm talking about? I use linux because it's better, not because of my hatred for microsoft (which is vast). Despite that, I am posting this comment on my windows install on my computer, because I am about to go play some Starcraft. Later today I may consider attempting to install SC in linux w/ wine though. Cool. Digg me down please.
- psygnisfive, on 10/12/2007, -5/+9No, wine is officially not going to ever reach version 1.0. According to the version numbering, 1.0 is held as a completed version, considered effectively bug free and final. Wine, on the other hand, is considered an eternal work in progress, given that there will never be complete compatibility. Wine is never intended to reach version 1.0 because of this. To do so it would have to provide perfect compatibility with any Windows software.
- neonpulse, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4@BryanJK
Try using gfire with Gaim? It's what I use and it works fine.
And xfire also works: http://appdb.winehq.org/appview.php?iAppId=2573 - GMorgan, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4People can call WINE whatever they want as far as I care, its their loss if they don't use it. What people usually mean by emulator is emulation of hardware. All the 'ewh emulation' business is because hardware emulation is traditionally very slow. This is entirely irrelevant since WINE does not emulate hardware in any way, shape or form.
- Xilon, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3"Uh, Wine was developed for Linux..."
Actually it was developed to be "a free implementation of Windows on Unix."
For Mac OS there's Darwine, which is Wine for Darwin (duh). - Cyphase, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3dorkino, while I do see your point, a lot of people don't want to have to dual-boot, e.g. businesses. They don't want to have to manage a Linux and Windows install on each computer just to run 1 Windows program. It's much easier if they can run it in Wine. That allows more people to switch to Linux, which in turn encourages developers to write more software for Linux. You also don't have to pay for Windows.
And I'm not an "anti-M$ fanboy". I just like Linux better. Does liking BMW better then Toyota make you an anti-Toyota fanboy? - strabes, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3nice one. Why pay? Especially since once you own the machine, you can only do what Ballmer lets you.
- johnstar, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3I ran firefox on wine to get flash 9 before it was out it (in Linux) actually works really good!
- Vektuz, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Neat. They fixed a whole bunch of directinput bugs that I reported.
(After marking them as not a bug) - uzytkownik, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3It's in portage.
- GMorgan, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2No they don't produce anything better than OpenGL. The reason DirectX is dominant is that updates broke OGL in the past forcing game devs to use crappy Direct3D (which only practically became usable at the DX9 stage) or statically compile OGL into every game (this was when HDD space was limited). At this point there are a lot of tools out for the DX platform that don't really exist for OGL true enough but that is a consequence of market share rather than the reason for it. Despite that it is the gap we need to close for OGL to gain market share.
Unfortunately if OGL starts to rear its head again MS will go back to breaking the OGL implementation with every DX update.
Lets put it simple though. D3D is only used in the game industry. High level graphics, modelling and the movie industry all use OGL for a very simple reason. It is better than D3D. Also recently Java abandoned Java3D to focus on JOGL because it couldn't stand D3D either. - atdigg, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1That's true Firefox, Opera + Flash work very well in Wine, actually Opera even gets the Voice read and command features in WINE while the Linux version lacks that.
- ISVDamocles, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@mmcmonster: If you're using Ubuntu Linux, you can enable the non-free, community maintained repositories (easiest way is to fire up Synaptic, Click Settings->Repositories, then click the checkbox on the non-free repos), then click Refresh in Synaptic, then Search for "acidrip." Click the checkbox next to it and click Apply. This program provides a very clean, easy-to-use interface to rip DVDs, exposing as many options as you might want, but also defaulting to settings that most people would never change from.
(You can obviously install this for other Distros, but Ubuntu is just the easiest way to do it.) - zzqzzqzzq, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2-OpenGL in child windows should work again
Nope, doesn't in the tests I've tried. :( - Xilon, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1"Wait then how did they get the W in the first place? So they could have just picked any consonant that fit?"
Yeah basically, anything from Aine to Zine would work, but Wine kinda fits since the W could stand for Windows in some other expansion. - DuNuNuBatman, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0@demonsofgoetia
They produce a framework that is better than what OpenGL has to offer. They aren't stifling innovation they are pushing it. There is no reason to slow down so OpenGL can catch up. - gorndog, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0Crikey, this is the third release this month!
Good stuff. - pllb, on 10/12/2007, -2/+0I tried IE with flash under wine and noticed the whole screen flickers...This was months ago, anyone know if this has been fixed?
- jlebrech, on 10/12/2007, -3/+0The wine is not an emulator, is just a take on GNU's not unix, because GNU is Unix in a way.
Altho Wine is and api emulation layer rather than a machine code emulator as the hardware must be the same as what windows runs on. - BryanJK, on 10/12/2007, -3/+0I wonder if Xfire will work better on this version... that's the main reason I stick with Windows :(
- sconepanman, on 10/12/2007, -5/+2True. But it is better than any effort in the other direction (i.e. none).
- xGrill, on 10/12/2007, -14/+2will they ever get to 1.0?
- strabes, on 10/12/2007, -15/+3Wait then how did they get the W in the first place? So they could have just picked any consonant that fit?
- BryanJK, on 10/12/2007, -13/+1Agreed, I'm not a fan of MS, but most of todays good games and applications are made for the Windows platform...
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -25/+1It never fails to amaze me how far people will go out of their way to find a solution to an already solved problem. If you're a gamer, run Windows. Dual-boot it if you have to. If cost is a consideration, then what value are you placing on the time it takes for you to troubleshoot and work through the bugs in this stuff?
Go ahead and Digg me down anti-M$ fanboys, but you have to admit I make a valid point. - d0om, on 10/12/2007, -35/+1lots of bug fixes, lots of bugs still remaining
on this front macs will never catch up to PC's
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