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- baalzebub, on 10/12/2007, -2/+39good! i like the idea of a list of products that DON'T work on GNU/LInux, this will motivate hardware manufacturers to make products to work with GNU/Linux so they don't end up on the list (sort of like "The Hall of Shame")
- coldphoenix, on 10/12/2007, -1/+30@imthedarkcyde
You act as if Linux community is a minority...when in reality it basically provides the fundamental backbone for them there internets. - Phocion55, on 10/12/2007, -4/+24"In Windows 2003 server you don't even need to know what you are doing and after a few clicks, you are done."
This is mainly why Windows is so riddled with malware, spyware, and viruses. People using Windows DON'T know what they're doing.
But hey, at least the GUI is "user-friendly"! - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -7/+23I love people that say "Your an idiot."
You + are = You're. When you insult someone's intelligence, and spell things incorrectly, it just makes your entire post a big joke. - atdigg, on 10/12/2007, -0/+14It's also damn useful, I will know what to avoid from start.
- brstilson, on 10/12/2007, -0/+11kind of useless since the actual lists aren't mirrored.
- r121, on 10/12/2007, -0/+11Yeah, this is a good idea, I can see it being easier to look at a list of things that DON'T work, instead of things like the LinuxQuestions' Hardware Compatibility List http://www.linuxquestions.org/hcl/
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -4/+13Linux itself has no apps, it's an OS. All the apps on a typical Linux distro are third party.
I fully agree Internet Explorer is a disaster. - underweargnome, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7Absolutely. I've been looking for a list like this for a long time. There is always the Knoppix test but I'd sure rather know before I even buy the product (plus Knoppix may not support fancier components like high end gfx cards that would work fine under a full workstation install). In my environments, every piece of HW must be Linux compatible because (in my house at least) today's desktop is tomorrow's server.
- cynicist, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7@ ImTheDarkcyde
It's not like they have to make new hardware for us. It would cost them little to make linux drivers, or release some info so we could reverse engineer our own. - sirhomer, on 10/12/2007, -5/+11Windows sucks.
- Altotus, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7I have a good friend that operates a company that does hardware development on a consulting basis for a large number of companies, some of them quite big, actually, who you would think would do all their development in-house.
Anyway, for years they used to develop drivers and test under Windows, but ultimately the same firm generally hired a second party to develop the drivers and other software to go with the hardware. So, one of his staff suggested they try this new "Linux" operating system for development and testing. After a couple of months, they found the Linux environment much easier to develop drivers for and test them. So, now everything they deliver comes with Linux drivers.
That said, most companies, despite having the Linux drivers in hand, don't typically provide them. They rewrite the drivers for Windows (or, in some cases, Mac OSX), often with reduced functionality, and ship those (typically with some other software and branding). Some of the video hardware they've developed is quite amazing, but you'd never know it looking at the final product under Windows. Not that Windows is at fault, it's just that they do a crappy job of writing the Windows drivers and software for it (admittedly, it's harder to do, but you can find good Windows programmers and they can turn out decent stuff).
I wouldn't be surprised if most of that hardware has Linux support already but the vendor chooses not to make it available. - dattaway, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6Linux friendly vendors aren't hard to find anymore.
Walmart has been very good at having Linux compatible computers. They take every opportunity to lower costs and they do have Linux loaded at times. The last few Acer laptops I bought from there had Windows installed, but the Acer website support for that model linked to a bootable Linux ISO distribution. Every piece of hardware worked like a dream, including power management, sound, and accelerated video. - mikeroySoft, on 10/19/2009, -4/+9@billyboobs34
I'm not sure if you're an idiot, or you're just trolling.. do you get paid for this, or is it just a hobby?
Anyways, to correct your, clearly immaculate intelligence, Linux is a KERNEL, not an OS.
The 'OS' is a toolset of applications. In a Linux based environment, it is often refered to as GNU. (GNU's not Unix) There are many varients of the 'OS' found in Solaris, and the BSDs. They have different Kernel's than Linux. Windows even has a kernel *GASP*! good 'ol windows/system32/kernel32.dll, and Windows isn't an OS. Windows is gui interface for DOS, and in recent years (since XP) it has merged DOS directly into the core of the OS. I couldn't tell you how, however, because it's closed source.
I hope that clarifies things a bit for you, as you seem to be confused =) - vh1`, on 10/12/2007, -4/+9I'm pretty sure more than 12 people visit this website
- dhughes, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5 @ billlyboobs34
You're not being dugg down because you're anti-Linux it's because you're acting like an ass. This may shock you but people who use Windows, Mac and Linux get along just fine, we're all human and sure we will have arguments but that's life.
The software and hardware may have issues but that's fixed soon enough. In case you don't realize that it that's the secret, if you like computers it's fun to get hardware working by fiddling with it. - george99, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4inconceivable!
- Solstice, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5By far, the worst hardware item that I've had trouble with in Linux are wireless cards - especially PCI boards. It can be downright frustrating to find one that is easy to get going in Linux. This isn't helped by the fact that some manufacturers will use the same model number for wireless cards that use vastly different chipsets (thereby requiring different driver packages).
- josh1413, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4digg mirror would be great
- pixelmixer, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6i'm digging you down because you replied to the post just because 1 person dugg you down to 0.
I am digging up your other post, but posting in response to that 1 digg down just seems completely unnecessary.
btw... im sure it has nothing to do with fanboyism. nothing in your statement would provoke a fanboy to disagree with you... - orbit1979, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5Don't forget ATI Video cards. If you have one these installed (like myself) forget about 3D, forget about even most Linux games, forget about OpenGL. In most cases it is a lost cause even if you manage to get ATI's flavor of drivers to work. I found it makes no difference. From what I read on boards, even those "lucky" few who do get 3D acceleration, it usually ***** up something else in the process.
- ShitHappens, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4OK, you are qualified to give your opinion. You are however, not allowed to ***** that opinion 20 times in this thread alone.
- vh1`, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5billlyboobs, you're not getting dugg down because of "fanboys". you're getting dugg down because you have no etiquette.
no, to make linux work for sure you don't need "the most popular hardware from five years ago". I have ubuntu up and running on my macbook that I just got a month ago. oh, and you know what? I didn't have to use anything like the drivers disk for windows, because support was already in the kernel - george99, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4I think that if some manufacturers would just provide some tech docs, they'd get some drivers for linux for free written by the open source community. Then, they'd be able to sell more products, so what's the problem?
- JonForTheWin, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4"The point is Linux is a growing community"
No, it isn't. The number of GNU/Linux users out there is much larger than a "community". Wayyy too ***** large for a "community". For those of us who know what we're doing (and I'm talking to all the msce sheep out there) it's the standard. We make more money than you, we manage more servers than you, we get into and use more software than you. GNU/Linux matters to us, if it doesn't have significance to you, then you don't have much significance for much as far as computers go yourself.
. . Unless you're in the *BSD camp. =) - selrahc, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Too bad I bought my laptop before I became interested in Linux...
- Hellmark, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4You shouldn't have to worry. Typically worst case scenario, if things aren't working, the most damage it can do is force you to reformat and reinstall the OS. The only real exception to this, is if the ACPI, or other controls, support is lacking and allows the computer to over heat without instituting safeguards. However, most BIOSs that I've seen have a failsafe against that, and linux ACPI support is fairly good. You won't "screw up your system"
- rdoggsv, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3"Linux Incompatibility List is Copyright © David N. Welton"
Its a good idea , but the fact that it says copyright of david n welton is what i dont like, if it is a wiki and its the effort of many people why would you put that.. :D - kremvax, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Sometimes. Better wireless cards will say this. Some video cards...
If more people wrote to the hardware manufacturers asking for this, they'd do it more often. - Blazeix, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3@fyre2012
Earlier versions of Windows were built on top of DOS (basically the pre-ME windows versions), but Windows XP actually uses the NT Kernel, and is not based on DOS. - orbit1979, on 10/12/2007, -4/+7Maybe some of us want a viable alternative to Windows, but without having to spend hours/days/weeks trying to get even basic ***** to work. Some of us actually would like to get work done. For example, when I do research and need to meet deadlines for my writing, I do not want to have to come home and waste hours of my time "getting to know my computer". It is not my friend, it is a tool.
- miles32, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3I just wish that the hardware manufacturers were a bit nicer to the open source community. I might have switched to linux but I wasnt able to get the networking and sound to work. I tried for six hours to fix the problems but it was to no avail.
On a side note. Why do the linux developers keep branching off. I mean geez theres a lot of distributions out there and they all suck at hardware support. Why dont the developers just join forces? To provide better support? - kremvax, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Why would that be useful in the context of this forum?
The message says that the connection limit's been exceded. I'm pretty sure the sysadmin knows that at this point. - dattaway, on 10/12/2007, -3/+6now you've done it, someone called Bob the Angry Flower about apostrophes:
http://www.angryflower.com/bobsqu.gif - ISVDamocles, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2This is a comment of yours I can actually digg up instead of down.
- tgunner, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4And it's down already.....
- orbit1979, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3@ Yukubovich:
I purchased my card before any intention of installing any distro of Linux. Therefore checking for compatibility was a non-issue. And as far as ATI, as I already stated, it does not seem to matter whether or not a certain model is listed as compatible. My model is, but I will be dammed if 3D acceleration will work. (as I already stated, from reading Linux forums, I am not an isolated case). - JonForTheWin, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Why would average joe buy hardware from a manufacturer that disrespects him by selling him hardware it doesn't have the decency to at least release the specifications for?
The cup holder has to be built for the car, not the car built for the cup holder. We've already done our part. Computers aren't magic, idiot. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4It always depends on what kind of server you plan on running. For some servers Windows is definietly the way to go. For other servers Linux is the best. For example, if you want to run a web server you should use Apache running in Linux. If you want to run a domain server with active directory on a Windows network then Windows 2003 server is the way to go. That isn't to say you can't do these things in the other OS respectively, but it's more difficult and harder to manage.
Other things I run under linux are a SQL server, a Jabber chat server, an SSH server, a samba server etc. Under windows I run a print server, VPN server, etc.
Windows doesn't necessarily need reboots every few weeks, that's only if you are applying updates that require a restart. The same is true with Linux if modifying or upgrading the kernel, you will need to restart. - qurk, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3BillyBoobs, you keep saying this word "fanboy". I do not think you know what that means. You need to look into the mirror and realize that you are the very definition of that which you keep accusing people of.
- sabrebutt, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Uhmm... I actually have that setup you just described on the very computer I'm sitting on right now. Dual Monitor, firewire mixer, ability to change screen rez, etc.
I really have to wonder if you've ever even used linux to do any audio work.
kthxbye - djdole, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Easiest solution would be to avoid generic brand hardware.
If you buy from the popular brands you'll have their large customer base to rely on. This will nearly guarantee at least half a dozen gurus from each operating system and/or distro (with the exception of OSX,...for now) that will provide ample solutions for run of the mill compatibility issues. - miles32, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3I have 2 compaq laptops. ones a presario r300us and the other is an old armada. None of these especially the presario accepted linux very well. In fact the presario refused to boot up with knoppix, debian, ubuntu and redhat. It was something to do with the broadcom wireless card. The armada's motherboard was fried but it was about five years old so not to bug a loss.
- Hellmark, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Hmm, odd. I've used ATI cards for years, and majority of them perform well under Linux. I've heard reports that Radeon 9800s and newer have some issues, but the older stuff isnt difficult to get running well.
- matthekc, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1sorry about that i should have proof-read
- SniperSlap, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2This list is missing ATI video cards.
Mainly because they suck, and also because their drivers suck.
Can't get a single damn ATI card to perform peacefully in a system - garbage video card architecture. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3So far, every card I bought with the intention of installing it on a GNU/Linux system has worked perfectly out of the box (that's 3 cards, all from different vendors, and there was no need to install any drivers). Of course, this took a bit of research, and by research I mean a single post on the Ubuntu Forums and waiting ten minutes.
So, there is no actual problem as long as you are careful and have access to a decent store that has a large selection of hardware (here in Toronto, there are many such stores). - powatom, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@Orbit:
At one point - you had to get to know Windows. It's an absolutely ridiculous assumption to make that being familiar with Windows == being familiar with Linux. - Hellmark, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@pixelmixer - ACPI is a control system for power on your computer. If things start getting too hot, or just isn't running right, it will regulate power, or even shut off the computer, so that it will not be damaged. BIOS is another part of your computer that enables all the hardware on the computer, and gets things ready to start the operating system.
- powatom, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Yeah, I've had no trouble with hardware apart from a wireless dongle (which is now working anyway). Linux's native hardware support is incredible. Having to download drivers for older hardware on Windows is horribly frustrating - and even then you may have problems getting Windows to play nice.
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