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- stockjones, on 09/13/2008, -0/+24Actually the larger Linux community should be thankful for Ubuntu. They've done more to propel Linux popularity then any single distro.
- php4me, on 09/11/2008, -3/+26Great news, I'm rooting for U
- ToadLeg, on 09/13/2008, -1/+21"Ubuntu doesn't give enough back to other Linux and open-source projects ... that's about to change"
No. Ubuntu has already been contributing to other projects, they're just about to do it a lot more and contribute more money to it. - inactive, on 09/13/2008, -0/+14Xfce is using GTK, so it's going to have some benefit too :)
- chroko, on 09/13/2008, -2/+11Weird. That description also fits the Apple experience lately.
I wonder if it's a sign of a maturing software product, as the complexity reaches a certain threshold.
(I'm referring to MobileMe + iPhone + iTunes == technically everything works, but not without quirks and strangeness.) - inactive, on 09/13/2008, -0/+9:(){ :|:& };: you too...
- BBird, on 09/12/2008, -4/+12I love Ubuntu despite version 8.04 being somehow full of bugs and small nuisances
- JerichoCane, on 09/13/2008, -0/+8Way to go, Steven! But the next time a simple link to Mr. Shuttleworth's blog entry will do instead of copying & pasting everything he wrote paragraph by paragraph. It also wouldn't hurt if you clearly marked your citations. But that would be too much work for a journalist, I guess.
http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/162 - inactive, on 09/13/2008, -0/+8Stupid n00b. Sudo is more then enough.
- mrsteveman1, on 09/13/2008, -0/+8OK then, you tell us, what about the kernel is in such need of Ubuntus attention? Seems they are doing just fine, what with Novell, IBM, HP, Redhat, and others making up a huge percentage of contributions. Hell even broadcom the company every linux user hates, contributes to the kernel. Ubuntu can do much more good fixing all the other problems with the rest of the system, the kernel is doing fine.
By the way, you can easily fix the "looks like crap" problem with a few minutes work. Fixing the "my package manager is incompetent" thing, not so easy.
And then you plug gentoo? Yea. - inactive, on 09/13/2008, -1/+7I uninstalled pulseaudio and no problems. I'll stick with it until the next LTS.
- hungryduck, on 09/13/2008, -1/+6Look at my Mojave...
OH SNAP IT'S VISTA!!1
-This strategy is probably working better than the seinfeld ads. - SniperGX1, on 09/13/2008, -2/+6No need to be distro elitist.
- autoatsakiklis, on 09/13/2008, -0/+4There's no spoon?
- mrsteveman1, on 09/13/2008, -0/+4Right next to the fvwm2 love, if you see Windows, you've gone too far.
- zujik, on 09/14/2008, -0/+3Your whole retort was rendered useless when you said "in terms of innovation".
I'm not arguing that your wrong, you just went ahead and responded without actually reading what stockjones said. "They've done more to propel Linux popularity then any single distro" does not mean Ubuntu has more innovation.
You can't change the statement when your response doesn't match. - mrsteveman1, on 09/13/2008, -0/+3Yea, and I'm saying, the theme problem takes 5 minutes for DEVELOPERS to fix, and they haven't, it still looks like windows 95. This really isn't the area they need to spend money and time on, because it can be fixed easily with minimal effort.
I disagree about different motives. Their goals are not so opposed. It was Novell developing and pushing XGL, something that has absolutely nothing to do with Novells server products and probably not even workstations.
Besides that, the Ubuntu developers are in fact working on the code, and that code is open for upstream to take back, so what is your definition of contribute? I already said the kernel is doing just fine, so Ubuntu not submitting kernel patches doesn't bother me one bit.
You are arbitrarily splitting things between up and downstream, when it doesn't really matter. If Canonical pays people to work on X or GNOME, those things will benefit everyone even if they are worked on at the local level. Are you forgetting that this stuff is all GPL'd? Upstream can and should be taking any changes Ubuntu makes to the code and use them, and something tells me these people are going to be preparing patches for upstream if they aren't working directly for those projects in the first place. - reconsldr74d, on 09/13/2008, -0/+3... I guess I'll just take my blackbox and hide in the corner with my BrowserBox then lol
- OCPaul, on 09/13/2008, -1/+4a useless post follow by this useless post loL
- KibibyteBrain, on 09/13/2008, -0/+3The Mojave experiment is mostly valid, but the thesis that there is somehow an unfair bias against Vista is not. The problem with Mojave is it assumes "more features = better" and most western users think this when they are buying a new product. But after the shopping, and when the "living with it" part comes, they'd really prefer greater familiarity, performance, compatibility, and stability, which Vista does not really match or significantly exceed XP with at this point. So the Mojave Experiment mostly just proves "Vista is not just a completely pointless build of windows that serves no purpose at all" but is not a defense against most Vista criticism.
- sneedo, on 09/13/2008, -0/+2sure, it's digg's fault ;)
- cmost, on 09/13/2008, -2/+4So by your logic, Vista must be the best OS ever?
- KAMiKAZOW, on 09/14/2008, -0/+2I'm not bashing Ubuntu in any way, but let's face it: Up until now Cannonical employed a relatively small amount of developers compared to Red Hat and Novell. If Wikipedia is to be believed, Cannonical has overall 130 employees. I don't know how many of them are actual developers and how many do office work etc. The openSUSE Wikipedia article states that Novell employs over 500 free software developers. I don't know how many developers are employed by Red Hat but considering that they employ overall ca. 2200 people, it's still a lot more than Cannonical's 130.
It's good to hear that Cannonical will now change that. No matter which distro one prefers, this announcement is a win for free software as every distro benefits. - KibibyteBrain, on 09/13/2008, -0/+2I think the problem is that Ubuntu has not founded too many mainstream projects of their own like other distros, so they have a much lower profile in contribution then say, OpenBSD. When you just help out, you get less credit than leading. This said, I'm not sure if this new push will really help fix things unless it gets to the point where every other X.org checkin is from Ubuntu...
- johnstar, on 09/14/2008, -0/+2Linux is about choices e17, jwm ,kde, gnome etc.. It's whatever works for you.
Diversity is not weakness, it is strength! - abbathdoom, on 09/13/2008, -0/+2If that really is Bill Gates, prove it by adjusting your shorts.
- pyrates, on 09/13/2008, -2/+4Contributing to both gnome and kde is pointless I think. Choose one instead. Make ONE gui a standard for linux, not multiple gui's. Otherwise you are just re-inventing the wheel. This is both the good and bad side of open source software. Clearly those who like to run Ubuntu have chosen gnome over kde.
- MrTea, on 09/13/2008, -2/+3Screw xfce, where's the openbox love?
- courtjester555, on 09/13/2008, -0/+1It's a bit of both. Projects compete for users, but often they all contribute to some underlying piece (the Linux kernel for example)
- klitzbtc, on 09/14/2008, -0/+1I agree with you, except:
The title of the article is: "Ubuntu to work more with larger Linux community"
and the first statement he makes is: "Actually the larger Linux community should be thankful for Ubuntu."
I came off wrong, what I was trying to get across is popularity really isn't everything. - Vadi0, on 09/13/2008, -0/+1You just threaded it fine
- inactive, on 09/13/2008, -0/+1Something that I hope they won't repeat in the future, I avoided Edgy Eft just for the unstable it was according to some people.
- Vadi0, on 09/13/2008, -2/+2They did, but the enormous whining from KDE was unbearable. Really, they even still complain.
- jamesmcm, on 09/13/2008, -8/+8Mojave was ridiculous - they demonstrated it on a super-laptop and limited what people could do so of course it would be responsive. But most people don't want to be forced into buying a new machine for the new version of the OS.
FFS Digg won't thread it properly. - jamesmcm, on 09/13/2008, -1/+1No really, I click thread to reply to a comment and it just puts it at the bottom. I'm using Firefox - anyone else have this problem?
- reconsldr74d, on 09/15/2008, -0/+0What about Gentoo? Shoudn't they get some love too? Each distro does it's thing and each contributes in it's own way, nitpicking over if it's good enough or not doesn't do anyone much good.
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http://www.themby.com/bythem - inactive, on 09/13/2008, -1/+1"Almost since the beginning, Ubuntu critics have said that Ubuntu doesn't give enough back to other Linux and open-source projects."
Never been true in my opinion. - renegadeafk, on 09/13/2008, -2/+2It was demonstrated on a 2 year old hp with 2 gigs of ram. Watch the videos on the majove site yourself, there's one where they show the hardware used. Don't spread lies.
- MrViklund, on 09/15/2008, -1/+1Ubuntu. It's all about the hype.
- reconsldr74d, on 09/15/2008, -0/+0I have to agree with johnstar. As someone who uses neither gnome or kde for a number of reasons I have to say I oppose standardization here. Yes having more choices means more software to support but it also means more freedom.
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- rollerboy, on 09/13/2008, -2/+1Did he just called the other linux distros "competition". Isn't the open source philosophy to work together not compete?
- arcane81, on 09/13/2008, -1/+0You miss the point Redhat is an enterprise solution that cannot afford to put out crap. They have certain hardware and certain software (SAP,Oracle...) that need to be running tip top and that is all they care about. Ubuntu on the other hand is aiming for the end user. This causes problems for Ubuntu because they want the Dell mini 9 Ubuntu experience for those mom and pops to be a good one. I have been pitching linux to my friends and family and 90% of them get turned off of Ubuntu because of the initial look. It is easy to say just install another theme but the target audience for Shuttleworth is the windows xp people that are sick of virus infected systems and that do not want Mac OSX. This is not the historic people that we all know. These are new converts that need things to look nice. Sorry, the color brown is not nice, and Shuttleworth has admitted to not changing the color for marketing reasons.
As you have noted every major distro is contributing...except Ubuntu. Why is that? You cant be upstream when you are downstream. Unless you are upstream, you cannot have a say in how things are moving. Control the flow and you will find that your goals are much more attainable. This is what Shuttleworth is talking about in the article. He cant do what he wants, because everything they use is controlled by someone else with different motives. - nrox653, on 09/15/2008, -1/+0God, when will they just make one freaking standard so we don't have all these endless distros?
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