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Ubuntu getting Xorg.conf GUI
fosswire.com — Remember the good old days when to change a screen resolution or driver, you had to edit xorg.conf or reconfigure X.org? Those fine times are now over, or they will be, with the release of Ubuntu 7.10. As of an update from a few days ago, users are now able to access a graphical user interface for editing xorg.conf,
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- spikeb, on 11/05/2007, -2/+271bout fricken time.
- ToadLeg, on 10/10/2007, -17/+8Can you change the driver/resolution back to the original when you restart? I've messed up the xorg.conf file before and had to reinstall the OS.
- edzilla, on 10/10/2007, -3/+51reinstall the OS because of a messed up xorg.conf? Are you kidding??
- ToadLeg, on 10/10/2007, -18/+5how can you use the computer if you have the wrong graphics driver/resolution? Reinstalling can be faster than figuring out how to reset it.
- edzilla, on 10/10/2007, -4/+14That's called the console, on any linux distribution...
- Sparkster185, on 10/10/2007, -1/+23Before you edit the file, copy a back up to some location. ~/tmp, for example. If you screwed up, boot to the command line and copy it back. Genius, I know.
- ToadLeg, on 10/10/2007, -3/+9I know that now. Of course I meant when I was first getting set up with Linux. I don't touch the xorg.conf file anymore.
- aaronm67, on 10/10/2007, -0/+16Before I knew what I was doing, this happened to me a few times. Editing xorg is sometimes required to make your monitor work correctly, and if you mistype one thing, you're unable to start an xsession. It's not uncommon at all for people to reinstall because they mess it up, because as far as they can tell, they "Messed up one file, and now their computer can't boot".
Also, it's not like they can go online and get a solution, because more then likely their network isn't configured, and if it is, Firefox certainly wont start (I understand it's not hard to configure or use lynx, but most people don't). - hyperair, on 10/10/2007, -9/+5So I hear that "sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg" on a Debian based system resets your xorg.conf file to what is shipped with your distribution.
I also hear that Google is a powerful ally, and helps those who look to it for help.
- jpstoneman, on 10/10/2007, -4/+1You can just use Xorg-config or something like that, which will run you through from the command line. Else, just make a backup of the .conf before you start messing with stuff, then restore it if you have a problem.
- ToadLeg, on 10/10/2007, -18/+5how can you use the computer if you have the wrong graphics driver/resolution? Reinstalling can be faster than figuring out how to reset it.
- ha1f, on 10/10/2007, -7/+1*this is what happens when you understand your operating system*
- ocauTMM, on 10/10/2007, -7/+4you know you can edit xorg.conf with a CLI editor...
- stalky14, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2I think the point is that people installing for the first time won't necessarily know how to access a command line in order to fix it. The obviously knew how to edit a file in order to ***** it up, but alt-f2 or whatever it is to flip to a new CLI isn't exactly innate knowledge.
- stalky14, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2I think the point is that people installing for the first time won't necessarily know how to access a command line in order to fix it. The obviously knew how to edit a file in order to ***** it up, but alt-f2 or whatever it is to flip to a new CLI isn't exactly innate knowledge.
- AlexFerny, on 10/10/2007, -17/+4dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg
Will reset it to default xorg.conf ... moron- ToadLeg, on 10/10/2007, -1/+18Thanks for the flame all. You know there are a lot of people who know a lot less about computers than I do, and don't use Linux because some people in the Linux community like you don't care about how anyone is able to use Linux.
I'm just suggesting that maybe it would be easier if this program could set up a backup system so that in the event that the X window system is configured incorrectly, it can go back to default, than manually backing up your xorg.conf and reloading it with a command line, using xorg-conf, a CLI editor, dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg, or whatever other command line fix there is. - AlexFerny, on 10/10/2007, -11/+2it says on the top of a standard debian xorg.conf how to reconfigure it...
- aaronm67, on 10/10/2007, -2/+6For someone new to Linux, how are you supposed to open xorg if gedit wont start?
Not everybody knows about command-line editors when they first start. - AlexFerny, on 10/10/2007, -4/+4nano
- aaronm67, on 10/10/2007, -0/+7@AlexFerny
There are hundreds of command line editors (cat,nano,pico,emacs,vim, less,more...etc) that wasn't the point. If you don't know the name of any of them, how are you supposed to open that file to get the command? When you first start Linux, the command line is pretty foreign, you're not automatically going to know nano.
- aaronm67, on 10/10/2007, -2/+6For someone new to Linux, how are you supposed to open xorg if gedit wont start?
- hyperair, on 10/10/2007, -12/+3ToadLeg, please remember that help comes to those who ask for it. You obviously didn't bother to search online, for there are many results on Google which will lead you to that.
Also don't forget that as long as you are on Ubuntu, the Ubuntu community, including me, at www.ubuntuforums.org will be more than happy to help you out, if you merely ASKED for help. You obviously didn't give us a chance.
So ToadLeg, instead of accusing others of flaming, why don't you berate yourself for flamebaiting? - aaronm67, on 10/10/2007, -0/+8hyperair
In defense of ToadLeg, once you mess up your xorg for the first time, unless you know what you're doing, it's fairly difficult to configure your network and get online, and even if you can get that far without online help, some people don't know they have a command line browser. Searching google and searching online isn't an option if you don't have internet or a webbrowser.
Also, it's pretty difficult to remember commands like that, and it wont work correctly if you make a single typo, and if you can't get online to check to make sure the command is correct...what are you supposed to do? If you're new...you know you can install the distro, you know yours is messed up to where you don't know what to do, doesn't reinstalling seem like a good option?
Alex was flamebaiting, he called Toadleg a moron for no good reason. Toadleg is obviously new to Linux, and nobody knows how to do everything from the command line right off. - AlexFerny, on 10/10/2007, -3/+4# This file was generated by dexconf, the Debian X Configuration tool, using
# values from the debconf database.
#
# Edit this file with caution, and see the xorg.conf(5) manual page.
# (Type "man xorg.conf" at the shell prompt.)
#
# This file is automatically updated on xserver-xorg package upgrades *only*
# if it has not been modified since the last upgrade of the xserver-xorg
# package.
#
# If you have edited this file but would like it to be automatically updated
# again, run the following command:
# sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg
Read that last line .. it tells him in the actual file how to reset it!- aaronm67, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3Like I said before, it's pretty tough to get that command in a cli if you have no idea how to open it. More then likely, someone new is going to be using Gedit or Kwrite or some other gui for his text editing. If you screw up the file and xorg wont start, you don't automatically know how to open the file when gedit wont start.
- AlexFerny, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4And can DIGG ***** off ***** up line spacing
- ToadLeg, on 10/10/2007, -1/+18Thanks for the flame all. You know there are a lot of people who know a lot less about computers than I do, and don't use Linux because some people in the Linux community like you don't care about how anyone is able to use Linux.
- Shadow503, on 10/10/2007, -4/+6Or simply issue a cp xorg.conf xorg.conf.backup before you edit it. If you manage to screw up your keyboard replace the xorg.conf with the backup using a livecd.
- pltnz64, on 10/10/2007, -3/+1All of these are great suggestions, but I don't know why instead of doing a fresh installation, he wouldn't just copy the xorg.conf from the livecd onto his hard drive.
Common sense ain't so common...- Xiata, on 10/10/2007, -0/+0That's the issue. If you are new to linux, you don't know how to use the command line. If you don't know how to use the command line, when things like Xorg screws up and it is your only machine, what are you to do? Reinstall. It's like when you try to boot a mac but get sent into single user mode, or boot windows and get stuck with VGASAVE the first time.
The problem is the assumption that the knowledge you are referring to is common. Common to a geek? Probably a unix/linux geek. Anyone else? Hell no.
I remember back in the day when I first started using linux. Man that sucked. Had to find a local geek as I only had one machine that was crippled by redhat5 not liking my computer at all. They even said that knowledge was common back then (which it wasn't to non-linux users).
Ha anyone remember the days when screwing up config.sys in MS-DOS hosed your system?
- Xiata, on 10/10/2007, -0/+0That's the issue. If you are new to linux, you don't know how to use the command line. If you don't know how to use the command line, when things like Xorg screws up and it is your only machine, what are you to do? Reinstall. It's like when you try to boot a mac but get sent into single user mode, or boot windows and get stuck with VGASAVE the first time.
- brundlefly76, on 10/10/2007, -0/+9The first rule of xorg.conf: make a copy of xorg.conf!
- neko, on 10/10/2007, -1/+6The second rule of xorg.conf: MAKE A COPY OF XORG.CONF!
Third rule of xorg.conf; someone yells stop, goes limp, taps out, the xorg is over.
- edzilla, on 10/10/2007, -3/+51reinstall the OS because of a messed up xorg.conf? Are you kidding??
- ha1f, on 10/10/2007, -1/+8Hopefully theyll release this tool as a standalone thats not too dependent on gnome, so that other distros and windowing environments can use it.
- Sparkster185, on 10/10/2007, -3/+10KDE has has all the "features" listed in the article for quite a while.
- cdmarcus, on 10/10/2007, -1/+11You should be glad that GNOME's finally getting this feature rather than trying to turn this into a DE flamewar. You should realize that any advancement in any Linux distro or DE besides your own is something to be glad about, because it furthers the state of Linux, and pushes it towards being a better option for desktop users.
- jacobmp92, on 10/10/2007, -2/+7It's a GTK tool, which means it is non-dependent on GNOME.
- AlexFerny, on 10/10/2007, -6/+3Yet its dependent on GTK .. meaning it will look best and work best in GNOME
- jacobmp92, on 10/10/2007, -1/+9...or XFCE. Or KDE if you are using the GTK-Qt library.
- AlexFerny, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4GTK-Qt does not give it a native Qt look
- konspence, on 10/10/2007, -4/+3Yes, it's a GTK tool that is undependent on Gnome. You just have to install a ton of GTK libraries and Gnome-related libraries to get it working in KDE, that's all. I wasn't using those 80 megs of RAM anyway.
- AlexFerny, on 10/10/2007, -6/+3Yet its dependent on GTK .. meaning it will look best and work best in GNOME
- ha1f, on 10/10/2007, -3/+4By not too dependent on gnome I mean I dont want all the mindless gnome deps (file system, mime-types, gnome-desktop, etc) to be installed with it. If its just stand alone GTK, great, otherwise, blech.
- Sparkster185, on 10/10/2007, -3/+10KDE has has all the "features" listed in the article for quite a while.
- zomgfast, on 10/10/2007, -9/+22Welcome to the 20th century!
- Sparragus, on 10/10/2007, -3/+4***** man, it's sad to know you think it is the 20th century, but for your own good, here's some info. We are on the 21st century.
- Darkhacker, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2WHOOSH!!! Right over his head.
- Sparragus, on 10/10/2007, -3/+4***** man, it's sad to know you think it is the 20th century, but for your own good, here's some info. We are on the 21st century.
- AlexFerny, on 10/10/2007, -12/+1I doubt this tool will give you access to every single possible feature of xorg.conf
When will people learn, editing config files gives you more control- alexforcefive, on 10/10/2007, -0/+9I'm sure you can still dive into xorg.conf if you want to, this just makes it easier and quicker for people who don't know or don't want to know about editing config files
PS I hope someone fixes the typo in that second screenshot - hyperair, on 10/10/2007, -0/+5@AlexFerny: Please remember that not everybody require that level of control. While the GUI caters to the more novice users, who do not require that level of control, the more advanced users like yourself can still dive into the configuration file if you wish to, as alexforcefive said.
- AlexFerny, on 10/10/2007, -1/+1Unless this tool decides to leave the config file as a mess (like aticonfig --initial does)
- alexforcefive, on 10/10/2007, -0/+9I'm sure you can still dive into xorg.conf if you want to, this just makes it easier and quicker for people who don't know or don't want to know about editing config files
- TechCF, on 10/10/2007, -0/+13I hope it will cooperate with nvidia-xconfig (from the binary non-opensource nvidia driver) with works great to configure dualscreen on my setup
- byrdgang, on 10/10/2007, -7/+3Ubuntu is very slow to act when it comes to important stuff like this, but it is usually because of some die-hard forum members who want everything to stay the way they are now. I am constantly preaching change, and others are quick to shoot you down.
- AlexFerny, on 10/10/2007, -6/+1Because many of us want Ubuntu to cater to more than just the "Windows" crowd that switch to Linux and cant use console or config files.
- whiteguysamurai, on 10/10/2007, -1/+6Why the hell not?
You want some ***** revolution, yet you are unwilling to make changes to get it?
You sir are one of those people holding back linux.
- whiteguysamurai, on 10/10/2007, -1/+6Why the hell not?
- skinturtle, on 10/10/2007, -2/+2Nerds are usually the cause for resisting change with Linux because in the real world...they are nerds...they have no social lives and usually no control. With this stuff it makes them feel superior. They don't want to lose that grip.
- tehtuxpenguin, on 10/10/2007, -2/+0Geek is the right term.
- Darkhacker, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1When people like us have to press the caps lock key on someones computer so their password will work.... we aren't in any danger of losing our title as a nerd. >_>
- AlexFerny, on 10/10/2007, -6/+1Because many of us want Ubuntu to cater to more than just the "Windows" crowd that switch to Linux and cant use console or config files.
- rpgmaker, on 10/10/2007, -1/+1What's the theme he is using in those shots? It looks good.
- hatch151990, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3FTA "It is the Glossy theme using Tango icons, available in the GNOME 2.19 development series.
There is a Glossy theme in GNOME 2.18, but it is a slightly older version." - HOTM, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3It looks like the default of xbuntu.
- damentz, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1You mean defualt, according to the spelling in the screenshot.
- jacobmp92, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Yes, I know. Typo.
- hatch151990, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3FTA "It is the Glossy theme using Tango icons, available in the GNOME 2.19 development series.
- rpgmaker, on 10/10/2007, -2/+1UPDATE: http://digg.com/linux_unix/Xorg_7_3_delayed_until_Ubuntu_s_April_release_Bullet_proof_X_postponed
- Avian00, on 10/10/2007, -2/+2I wish I could digg up your "bout fricken time" comment 1000 times! There's NO excuse for it to have taken this long.
- ToadLeg, on 10/10/2007, -17/+8Can you change the driver/resolution back to the original when you restart? I've messed up the xorg.conf file before and had to reinstall the OS.
- mitrick, on 10/10/2007, -2/+8for sure ill update to gutsy as soon i have that new tool now all linux users will be able to to some dualscreen easily
- ElectricKetchup, on 10/10/2007, -4/+9If you have nvidia for video, the command "nvidia-settings" makes it extremly easy to setup dualscreen. It's actually a hell of a lot easier than setting up dualscreen in MS windows XP
- ha1f, on 10/10/2007, -0/+7lol, really? because afaik dual screen on xp is plug and play.
- Tenoq, on 10/21/2007, -1/+1Sort of. You need UltraMon or similar to get it working the way you want easily. The functionality offered by UltraMon is available by default with 'nvidia-settings'.
- ryodoan, on 10/10/2007, -1/+4Yeah, I dont know the last time you used Windows XP, but it is seriously the easiest thing sicne sliced bread, no, nevermind its easier than sliced bread. To do dual moniters all I have to do is plug in the moniter then check a box that says "Extend my screen onto this moniter" and I am done.
I spent 3 1/2 hours trying to do the same thing in ubuntu and only got it semi working, oh the joys of having ATI.
- ha1f, on 10/10/2007, -0/+7lol, really? because afaik dual screen on xp is plug and play.
- ElectricKetchup, on 10/10/2007, -4/+9If you have nvidia for video, the command "nvidia-settings" makes it extremly easy to setup dualscreen. It's actually a hell of a lot easier than setting up dualscreen in MS windows XP
- ommadawn, on 10/10/2007, -33/+4Oh noes! I'm not running Ubuntu, only something called "Linux"... I guess I still have to vim /etc/X11/xorg.conf...
/sarcasm- ludwik, on 10/10/2007, -2/+21This one IS Ubuntu-specific, so your sarcasm doesn't have much place here.
- eplawless, on 10/10/2007, -2/+14haha, guess you will, loser
- prthealien, on 10/16/2007, -9/+70But isn't the LACK of a GUI the reason you would usually edit the xorg.conf file?
- alienSkull, on 10/10/2007, -1/+25maybe back in the day..
now, people want to easily add a second monitor or extend the desktop to a projector or something, without the hassle of editing .conf files
grandma should be able to do it - coredump0x01, on 10/10/2007, -0/+58The article says if X cannot start, a fail-save X server will launch running this configuration utility so you can fix your xorg.conf without the console/manual editing. It's called BulletProofX https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BulletProofX
- jdhore1, on 10/10/2007, -5/+4Bullet-proof-X was delayed because Xorg 7.3 isn't coming out till AFTER Gutsy...Blame the Xorg guys for not being able to put out an update every 8 months and for having a website that is absolutely horrible to browse.
- fafaforza, on 10/10/2007, -0/+11Well, then, why don't you write your own X server and make releases for it every 6 months to coincide with Ubuntu? Seriously, you're gonna bash the developers 'cause their release cycle doesn't run with the fill-in-the-blanc Linux distro?
- jdhore1, on 10/10/2007, -4/+2Not at all...I'm going to bash the developers for not keeping on the release schedule they said they were going to and a few distros depended upon.
- rpgmaker, on 10/10/2007, -2/+2At first I thought jdhore was being sarcastic now I see that he is just stupid.
- fafaforza, on 10/10/2007, -0/+11Well, then, why don't you write your own X server and make releases for it every 6 months to coincide with Ubuntu? Seriously, you're gonna bash the developers 'cause their release cycle doesn't run with the fill-in-the-blanc Linux distro?
- jdhore1, on 10/10/2007, -5/+4Bullet-proof-X was delayed because Xorg 7.3 isn't coming out till AFTER Gutsy...Blame the Xorg guys for not being able to put out an update every 8 months and for having a website that is absolutely horrible to browse.
- digitallysick, on 10/10/2007, -6/+6haha yeah your right about that for sure. I hate the whole xorg deal about linux, its a pain in the ass
- jdhore1, on 10/10/2007, -1/+5Xorg may look "big and scary", but it's really pretty well organized...I've prolly had to edit different xorg.confs 20-30 times and really, i only ever spend time in the device (video card) and screen (monitor) sections.
- msgyrd, on 10/10/2007, -1/+2Running an nVidia card...if X fails to start, open up an editor of your choice as a super user and edit xorg.conf, change the driver from "nvidia" to "nv" and you usually will get it running again (albeit without 3D accel). It's "uglier" looking since it's command line based, but it's not hard.
- Pilot85, on 10/10/2007, -1/+8don't forget configuring tv out for your mythboxes of the world.
- Hemingrubbish, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2it usually seems that way for me. i nearly always end up having to edit it in command line... :(
- MeneerR, on 10/10/2007, -12/+2You don't edit at the command-line. Maybe you used the command-line to be execute gedit with root-privileges. Perhaps you even used an ansi-editor. But ehm, with an open-as-administrator extension to nautilus. Even to edit a ini-file one does NOT need to enter or use the command-line. Ever.
- aaronm67, on 10/10/2007, -1/+1No, he probably is editing in the command line because he messed up xorg. Which means he does need to enter a command line. Always.
- Hemingrubbish, on 10/10/2007, -1/+1correct.
- MeneerR, on 10/10/2007, -9/+1You don't edit at the command-line. Maybe you used the command-line to be execute gedit with root-privileges. Perhaps you even used an ansi-editor. But ehm, with an open-as-administrator extension to nautilus. Even to edit a ini-file one does NOT need to enter or use the command-line. Ever.
- MeneerR, on 10/10/2007, -12/+2You don't edit at the command-line. Maybe you used the command-line to be execute gedit with root-privileges. Perhaps you even used an ansi-editor. But ehm, with an open-as-administrator extension to nautilus. Even to edit a ini-file one does NOT need to enter or use the command-line. Ever.
- TVarmy, on 10/10/2007, -2/+2Well, with about 3 different varieties of widescreens, and native resolutions being pretty much anything, the defaults provided can only support so many monitors without more hands on configuration.
- OrangeTide, on 10/10/2007, -1/+1It sniffs for your monitor info by asking the monitor what it is. So it can usually start up at a high resolution and correct aspect ratio without any configuration (windows has been doing this for a while now)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EDID if you're interested.
- OrangeTide, on 10/10/2007, -1/+1It sniffs for your monitor info by asking the monitor what it is. So it can usually start up at a high resolution and correct aspect ratio without any configuration (windows has been doing this for a while now)
- digitallysick, on 10/10/2007, -0/+7wow @ "if X cannot start, a fail-save X server will launch running this configuration utility" i can't wait, that does sound great! So far the xorg problems have been a major draw back i think this will really further linux!
- alienSkull, on 10/10/2007, -1/+25maybe back in the day..
- diggapleaze, on 10/10/2007, -0/+35I hate to be the bearer of bad news but the implementation of Xorg 7.3 into Ubuntu will be delayed until Gutsy+1 (see https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/xorg7.3 ). Since displayconfig-gtk requires Xorg 7.3 as a dependency (according to this launchpad spec sheet https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/displayconfig-gtk ) there is a chance that this GUI will be removed by release time in October. Some of the features of the Xorg GUI covered in TFA depend on Xorg 7.3, such as testing multiple resolutions on the fly without requiring a complete restart of X. Notice how TFA says this feature is "alpha and buggy"...that's because it hasn't even been implemented yet!
Hopefully (and I never thought I'd say this) Gutsy will be delayed just a week a longer to squeeze in Xorg 7.3 and make these sorely needed features available in the next release of Ubuntu, rather than next April. After all, the new Xorg release only missed the feature freeze mark by a week and half.- zwaldowski, on 10/10/2007, -2/+2Didn't they say Gutsy+1 will be LTS?
- CATSCEO, on 10/10/2007, -2/+2It will, I happy to say I'll be upgrading my Debian server when that comes around :)
- jacobmp92, on 10/10/2007, -6/+1No, that is only a rumor so far. There is a chance of it being LTS, but that depends on the mood of the developers and the support team. ;)
- GMorgan, on 10/10/2007, -3/+3I thought they had confirmed that it definately won't be LTS.
- ludwik, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4It will and it's official - http://news.softpedia.com/news/Ubuntu-8-04-Is-an-LTS-Release-60725.shtml
- byrdgang, on 10/10/2007, -0/+8For critical components such as Xorg, they should really delay the release so that that 7.3 can be implemented. It's worth the delay, and I don't think people will complain. It's not like we're talking about delaying the release so that a game can be added.
- sumguy231, on 10/10/2007, -1/+1I use Kubuntu myself, and I was already ok with the fact that Kubuntu isn't getting displayconfig-gtk in Gutsy (for technical reasons involving KDM) but it seems like every release they drop the features that were going to make the release good anyway. I'm starting to think that maybe, just maybe, it's not exactly a good idea to cram development into 4-6 months, and maybe 8 months-when it's done would be a better idea.
- zwaldowski, on 10/10/2007, -2/+2Didn't they say Gutsy+1 will be LTS?
- Synapse84, on 10/10/2007, -3/+14wow only took them forever...
i hated having to manually add my resolution of 1152x864@75hz- tgunner, on 10/10/2007, -5/+10What the hell sort of res. is that?
- OrangeTide, on 10/10/2007, -1/+2it's a standard resolution. max resolution on my Sun monitor too. Although I haven't had to edit an Xorg file for quite some time now. there are gui/tui walkthroughs for configuration most of the basic junk.
- Synapse84, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1orange already summed it up.... but heres more info.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XGA+
i'm using a 17" CRT....
I love CRT monitors :P
- tgunner, on 10/10/2007, -5/+10What the hell sort of res. is that?
- Nerotique, on 10/10/2007, -2/+34"Remember the good old days when to change a screen resolution or driver, you had to edit xorg.conf or reconfigure X.org?"
I can't say that I do... In *The Good O'l Days* we edited /etc/xf86config or ran xf86setup... the notion of Xorg didn't come along until much later.- scabbers, on 10/10/2007, -1/+26Mmmmmm you'd end up with any res and refresh of your choice - as long as it was 60hz 800x600
- zzzpoohzzz, on 10/10/2007, -2/+4i dont care if this gets dugg down or not.... but that deserves an 'lol'
- shinynew, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1then just say 'lol'
- cawpin, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1It was like the Henry Ford of desktop managers.
- zzzpoohzzz, on 10/10/2007, -2/+4i dont care if this gets dugg down or not.... but that deserves an 'lol'
- antdude, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1And you had to be careful with the refresh rates or else your monitor die.
- scabbers, on 10/10/2007, -1/+26Mmmmmm you'd end up with any res and refresh of your choice - as long as it was 60hz 800x600
- QwertySG, on 10/10/2007, -1/+15You can graphically edit xorg with nivida-settings at the moment.
- Snarfy, on 10/10/2007, -1/+6Well, maybe if you are using an nVidia card with non-free drivers. What about everybody else?
- jdhore1, on 10/10/2007, -1/+2I know ATI has a GUI settings manager (i don't use ATI so that's about the extent of my knowledge) and with Intel cards, you really shouldn't have to edit much in your xorg.conf except possibly the supported resolutions. Also, as for using the free or the non-free drivers...I believe 90% of the users who might need the xorg.conf GUI are going to use restricted driver manager to install the non-free drivers because they think they're better (which they are).
- Snarfy, on 10/10/2007, -1/+6Well, maybe if you are using an nVidia card with non-free drivers. What about everybody else?
- dinkola, on 10/10/2007, -20/+90Let me be the first to welcome Ubuntu to 1995. May many more futuristic advances be undertaken.
- MeneerR, on 10/10/2007, -14/+7First of all you could already change your resolution graphically.
The hack most people did in Xorg.conf had to do with the fact they didn't have a plug and pray monitor.
So Linux didn't know which resolutions would make your monitor explode and which didn't. So it assumed the worst.
There was already an ansi-level wizard which you could tell which monitor you had. Now you can use your mouse. Wow.
Very important. NOT
Secondly dual-monitor setup is a different isue all together. We didn't have that in 1995.
And considering your lack of knowledge, I doubt you were even born in 1995. So what's up with your trolling?- gcauthon, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4This comment is so stupid I wish I could digg you down twice. Oh wait, I can...
- MeneerR, on 10/10/2007, -12/+3First of all you could already change your resolution graphically.
The hack most people did in Xorg.conf had to do with the fact they didn't have a plug and pray monitor.
So Linux didn't know which resolutions would make your monitor explode and which didn't. So it assumed the worst.
There was already an ansi-level wizard which you could tell which monitor you had. Now you can use your mouse. Wow.
Very important. NOT
Secondly dual-monitor setup is a different isue all together. We didn't have that in 1995.
And considering your lack of knowledge, I doubt you were even born in 1995. So what's up with your trolling? - Stewage, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1At least it is moving forward, thank Dell for that.
- MeneerR, on 10/10/2007, -14/+7First of all you could already change your resolution graphically.
- freze, on 10/10/2007, -2/+23Thank you!
One of the last things that scares windows users away is now being solved!- omarciddo, on 10/10/2007, -1/+1Yup. Now we just have to get rid of their fear of trying something new. Ubuntu counseling, anyone?
- Bhima, on 10/10/2007, -3/+47I am still wondering why in the hell X.org can't figure out that ***** own it's own.
Every time I edit one of those files it pisses me off.- decoherence, on 10/10/2007, -5/+3Run X -configure. When it doesn't work, you'll have the answer to your question. (probably a bug at this point)
- Nerotique, on 10/10/2007, -3/+4There's always been a way to edit those configuration files other than using your favorite text editor. What difference does it make that there's now _another_ pretty GUI to do the same things all these other programs (xconfigurator, sax2... etc.)have done for years? Nobody even remembers XF86Setup. That was a GUI tool which does the same thing. I was using it in 1997 on Slackware 3
- Robotsu, on 10/10/2007, -2/+1Because this time it's included in a major and popular desktop distribution?
- Nerotique, on 10/10/2007, -1/+1In 1997, Slackware 3 WAS a major and popular distribution.
- AKMask, on 10/10/2007, -2/+1sax2 is SuSE's tool, second most popular distro behind redhat, so it qualifies.
Incidently, YaST is the greatest utility known to man. Id have jumped over from OpenSuSE to ubuntu if they had YaST
- gcauthon, on 10/10/2007, -1/+1Yes, I remember scrolling to the last page in every configuration section and picking the last option, "enter settings manually" every single time. I don't think this ridiculous waste of time could be considered an achievement by any stretch of the imagination. XF86Setup was even worse than just using VI. At least with VI I could immediately get down to the business of looking up my monitor refresh rates. With XF86Setup I had to scroll through lists of devices so ancient they belonged in a museum before finally getting to the end and realizing I would have to enter everything manually.
- Loonacy, on 10/10/2007, -1/+1I started using Mandrake/Mandriva around version 6, and they've had a GUI config for this as far back as I can remember.
- Robotsu, on 10/10/2007, -2/+1Because this time it's included in a major and popular desktop distribution?
- trogdoor, on 10/10/2007, -1/+5That is a major part of Xorg 7.3, and the xorg.conf is becoming more and more obsolete every day.
- jdhore1, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2the conf itself is not becoming obsolete, but editing it manually is for Ubuntu at least. Personally, even if the GUI tool gets ported to distros i use, i'm not gonna use it because i KNOW how to edit my xorg.conf and my conf is probably more optimized for what i do than the GUI tool could possibly be. So for me and most power users, xorg.conf is probably still going to be used a lot
- MeneerR, on 10/10/2007, -4/+2You will still need to manually enter your scanrates (or at least tell the system what kind of monitor you have) when your monitor doesn't support plug-and-pray. This whole resolution issue only has to do with _OLD_ monitors anyway.
Without hardware telling the system what it is, somebody's got to do it. Now you can do that manually in a graphical way. Big freaking deal. Why use that old burned-out monitor anyway?- pastaq, on 10/10/2007, -2/+1i lol at you. The utility isn't just for refresh rates. This would have helped me back when i first got my 8800gts and there wasn't a single distro out that had a live CD that could detect it so much that it would even load the vesa driver... Having a fall back GUI editor would certainly have saved me a lot of time then.
- semaja2, on 10/10/2007, -6/+20Whats so special about this? SuSE has had sax2 and other such tools for a long time, whats so special about this tool?
- ha1f, on 10/10/2007, -2/+22its in ubuntu.
- Sparkster185, on 10/10/2007, -0/+7That's my question too. I've been able to update my resolution/etc. in KDE for a long time.
- keyo, on 10/10/2007, -1/+4Nothing is special, Even Nvidia drivers do this.
- brokencrystal, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Yea, but not everyone has Nvidia. Some of us have notebooks with less capable graphics cards integrated... This is a major upgrade for the rest of us!
- brokencrystal, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Ran SuSE for years... Swapped to Ubuntu years ago and would never go back... I could not do without my .deb package manager in Ubuntu. I can't stand the dependency hell that goes with YaST2. No disrespect to SuSE, YaST is a great tool and was way ahead of its time... but the .rpm dependency issues should have been fixed years ago! Maybe the problem has more to do with the .rpm packages? I don't know.
- ispep, on 10/10/2007, -18/+16To all you fanboys saying this is ubuntu-specific, I (don't) hate to break it to you, but configuring xorg.conf through a gui is not new.
- idugcoal, on 10/10/2007, -1/+11And I'll (happily) be the guy that points out to you that, as the article says, it IS new to Ubuntu. In other words, this particular change IS specific to Ubuntu.
- BigJ27, on 10/10/2007, -8/+0No, it says that ubuntu is the only one to have this feature. But what it does have that other dists don't have is the multi screen setup!
- jacobmp92, on 10/10/2007, -0/+6Out of curiosity, where does it say that? All I wrote was the feature was specific to Ubuntu, meaning it is a change that only happened in Ubuntu. I know about Sax2 and all, but this is the first time _Ubuntu_ is getting any features like this.
And yes, I wrote the article. - GMorgan, on 10/10/2007, -2/+3Fedora 7 has multiscreen setup.
- jacobmp92, on 10/10/2007, -0/+6Out of curiosity, where does it say that? All I wrote was the feature was specific to Ubuntu, meaning it is a change that only happened in Ubuntu. I know about Sax2 and all, but this is the first time _Ubuntu_ is getting any features like this.
- BigJ27, on 10/10/2007, -8/+0No, it says that ubuntu is the only one to have this feature. But what it does have that other dists don't have is the multi screen setup!
- idugcoal, on 10/10/2007, -1/+11And I'll (happily) be the guy that points out to you that, as the article says, it IS new to Ubuntu. In other words, this particular change IS specific to Ubuntu.
- rabidsnail, on 10/10/2007, -4/+5What can this do that dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg can't (aside from look pretty)?
- Shootfast, on 10/10/2007, -1/+14The keyword is user friendly
- trogdoor, on 10/10/2007, -0/+8Configure dual monitors among other things.
- Robotsu, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3It can actually be used by people who don't want to waste their time learning to configure X from the command line
- tk0680, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1That's missing the point by about as great a distance as anyone could manage. It's not about capability, it's about ease of use.
- decoherence, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2well, that looks a bit nicer than xfree86cfg!
- smcavoy, on 10/10/2007, -17/+3welcome to 1984
- pastaq, on 10/10/2007, -3/+1Eh, kernel 1.0 wasn't written until 1992...
- AKMask, on 10/10/2007, -1/+3XFree is based on code older then the linux kernel. It originally ran on unix.
Also, he's referencing the book, dumbass. Its humor.
- AKMask, on 10/10/2007, -1/+3XFree is based on code older then the linux kernel. It originally ran on unix.
- pastaq, on 10/10/2007, -3/+1Eh, kernel 1.0 wasn't written until 1992...
- ricercia, on 04/21/2008, -12/+3Kubuntu has had this feature for ages! (Since 6.06)
- Sparkster185, on 10/10/2007, -0/+11I think you mean 'KDE has had this feature for ages!'
- SKiAt, on 10/10/2007, -5/+5Mandriva linux has it since long time...
take a look: http://skiat.kicks-ass.org/xorg_gui/- KAMiKAZOW, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2I wonder why the Ubuntu guys didn't port something like this earlier. OK, this one is a KDE based app, but what about a tool from SUSE or Fedora?
- schoate09, on 10/10/2007, -26/+5Ubuntu sucks.
- vpeter, on 10/10/2007, -3/+1I'll have to tell your mom about this.
- kidcodea, on 10/10/2007, -3/+1i told her last night
- BigJ27, on 10/10/2007, -0/+6gnome already has a gui for changing the screen resolution. But it is about time we have a gui to change other things.
I'm especially excited about the dual screen setup, much better than trying to add another screen to xorg.conf - railk, on 10/10/2007, -2/+1"Remember the good old days when to change a screen resolution [...] you had to edit xorg.conf"
The Monitor section of my xorg.conf currently contains just the line
Identifier "aticonfig Monitor 0"
and I have plenty of screen resolutions available, including the actual screen res of 1920x1200. And KDE has a notification bar applet for RandR. And I'm running X.org 7.2 atm. - darundal, on 10/10/2007, -1/+1Sweet. Finally, easy xorg management (not to say reconfiguring was bad, but I don't want to do that for every little change).
- brokencrystal, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1I'll say it... Reconfiguring was bad. This is much better.
- Scotty562, on 10/10/2007, -2/+7This will be a great asset to new users. When I first started using Linux (Ubuntu) I ended up breaking X and didn't know how to fix it. I ended up reformatting my partition, but many new users would have went back to Windows at this point. It's a good day for Linux.
- 9a3eedi, on 10/10/2007, -3/+4A GUI would be nice, but that doesnt mean that you shouldn't know how to edit xorg.conf. Skills are still needed because the GUI might mess things up or not know what to do if another program/user does some stuff manually.
- Xanium4332, on 10/10/2007, -1/+1I'd like to know what theme's being used in those Screenshots, it's beautiful.
Anyone know?- keyo, on 10/10/2007, -1/+1Glossy I think, almost the same
- Xanium4332, on 10/10/2007, -1/+1Not sure about 'glossy', anybody got an exact match?
- MeneerR, on 10/10/2007, -0/+7It's definately Glossy on Gutsy. (it's different from the Glossy on Feisty. I guess even Themes get updated)
- brokencrystal, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Yea, the themes were updated in Gutsy.
- neiltc13, on 10/10/2007, -13/+5If Ubuntu ever wants to be taken seriously they need to drop all this crap and make things WORK.
- JrGhoull, on 10/10/2007, -2/+2wtf are u talking about? it does work. the issue is that most software and hardware isnt made to run on linux...and thats where things get complicated...
- ElbridgeGerry, on 10/10/2007, -3/+12We need a Ubuntu section.
- Snarfy, on 10/10/2007, -0/+12Remember modelines for xfree86?
Modeline "1600x1200" 155 1600 1656 1776 2048 1200 1202 1205 1263
Forget simply editing text files. You had to bust out a calculator just to set your resolution to something decent.- marx2k, on 10/10/2007, -2/+2I still had to do just this to fix the overscan issue for my 65" hdtv and running the DVI-HDMI from my nVidia on my PC to it
- marx2k, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Huh? I dont get why I would get dugg down for my comment?
- dhughes, on 10/10/2007, -0/+12Oh come on you know you loved it when you got it to work the first time, you felt like a powerful uber geek ;)
- marx2k, on 10/10/2007, -2/+2I still had to do just this to fix the overscan issue for my 65" hdtv and running the DVI-HDMI from my nVidia on my PC to it
- unruled, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3it was about fricking time.... Ive had so many headaches messing around with xorg.conf and it STILL not working right. Hopefully this will help.
- snek, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2Finally! This is a major step forward for user friendliness :)
Only option I'm still missing is an easy fullscreen tv-out option somewhere for us poor folk without an LCD/plasma tv ;) - dhughes, on 10/10/2007, -8/+3.
- grandalf, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2folks, the latest xorg includes a configurationless mode that works with automatic modeline detection and should solve most of the problems people tend to have, with the exception of multiple monitor setups.
My biggest complaint about ubuntu is that laptop support could be better... seems like I always have to edit config files for touchpad and suspend/hibernate stuff...- johng4, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1I use ubuntu on my iBook G4, and with exception to 1 thing, everything works out of the box on it. My installation of OS X 10.4 did not go as smooth on the same laptop. My mouse doesn't work properly in OS X, and my keyboard is apparently using a different scheme. Ubuntu from day 1 of installation has worked perfectly. Haven't touched a conf file yet.
- giruzz, on 10/10/2007, -6/+2Fixing up the dual monitor is a first step.
Now they have to implement to auto-download and auto-install updates (like Windows does). I'm freaking annoyed. I can install a PC with Ubuntu, tell people how cool Ubuntu is but I can't have an automatic update system, dual monitor or a nice webcam driver.
Oh..and last thing I want is Office for Linux
(note for the OS freaks: OpenOffice doesn't work. 99% of the businesses are using office documents so I can't work with them and since I can't force my customers to switch to OO I need Office under Linux)
After this...I swear..I'll shut up and I will never ask anything more- jeeger, on 10/10/2007, -3/+1Well I got dual-monitor to work and can update packages automatically if I want with my package manager. Aboute the other two: Webcam status: I don't know.
Office: Pity.
Oh and about the article:
Finally, if X doesn't work anymore, I can start a graphical user interface to set it up.
Ehhhh wait - aaronm67, on 10/10/2007, -2/+4Office 2003 (mostly a standard in business right now) works very well under wine, though if your business relies on Access you will have to use '97. It's not to difficult to install either. Even under wine, Office 2003 is faster for me than OpenOffice.
Automatic updates are available in many distros. If you search a little, you can probably find a way to enable it in Ubuntu without much trouble. - AlexFerny, on 10/10/2007, -3/+1And most of us Linux users dont give a ***** about what Windows morons run.
- JrGhoull, on 10/10/2007, -1/+3u kinda have to if u want them to go from windows to linux
- supert0ad, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2set up cron to sudo apt-get update every day.
of all the things to complain about in linux, updates should be the last one. my dad's computer has four or five different update managers running in the taskbar, and half the time when i open a program i get some stupid prompt that a new version of the software is available. linux simplifies it all into one dialog that only appears when you ask it to. that, to me, is a much better solution.- johng4, on 10/10/2007, -1/+0Or... you could just enable "Automatic Updates" in "Software Sources" (which might I add, is in Synaptic too under Repositories). Under "Updates" you have the option to check for updates daily, and then install them without confirmation.
- giruzz, on 10/10/2007, -1/+0I remember I asked on ubuntuforum and all the answers where talking about creating a script (which is out of my ability).
I'm running Kubuntu maybe this is causing my problems. Once I'm back from my holiday I'll have a look into.
How do we solve the password request that you get every time you run Synaptic? This will block the automatic task isn't? (I'll be happy if someone tells me that I'm wrong).
And...last request..I really hate when I have to type my password twice at boot. I just signed in my user..why do I have to re-type the password to use my wifi connection? - hydroxic, on 10/10/2007, -1/+0If you use synaptic to set up automatic updates it shouldn't require a password when it's actually 'updating.' And Network-Manager asking for a password at login is quite annoying, try Wicd as a replacement for NM -- http://wicd.sourceforge.net/ -- it's worked wonders for me over NM.
Edit: wrong reply, sorry
- giruzz, on 10/10/2007, -1/+0I remember I asked on ubuntuforum and all the answers where talking about creating a script (which is out of my ability).
- johng4, on 10/10/2007, -1/+0Or... you could just enable "Automatic Updates" in "Software Sources" (which might I add, is in Synaptic too under Repositories). Under "Updates" you have the option to check for updates daily, and then install them without confirmation.
- mikedoth, on 10/10/2007, -2/+2Personally Open Office is just as good or better in my option to the oh so bloated MS Office. I never used anything past Office 2000.
- jeeger, on 10/10/2007, -3/+1Well I got dual-monitor to work and can update packages automatically if I want with my package manager. Aboute the other two: Webcam status: I don't know.
- OrangeTide, on 10/10/2007, -0/+5I haven't edited an Xorg.conf file in ages, except to add keyboard or mouse tweaks. The video stuff seems to pop up fine and at the right resolution right away for me, and the setup/install/config thing in debian/ubuntu asks me to check off what video modes I want to have in my config.
- tamster, on 10/10/2007, -6/+0Ok.. this is simply funny. Innovation at a speed of thought!
- schoate09, on 10/10/2007, -12/+7Vista configured my monitors as soon as I installed it.
- johng4, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3Vista finally did something right. I'm sure that goes a long way in correcting all the painfully obvious problems it has otherwise... problems linux hasn't had in many years, if they ever had them at all.
Congrats on your accomplishment! - niallabrown, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1My widescreen monitor was not detected by XP or vista and nither Microsoft or Acer could fix it. I was happy taht a little tweak to Xorg let me fix the problem right up in Linux.
- brokencrystal, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1I have Vista on two notebooks. I have to say that Vista sucks. I can't wait for Gutsy so I can loose Vista! I would put on Feisty, but why waste my time when Gutsy is just around the corner and I only want to do the work to install it (all 30 minutes of it) once.
- JaekZeBarbarian, on 10/10/2007, -0/+0Good for you! Vista didn't properly detect my laptop's graphics card or monitor. I had to go download some beta, proprietary driver off of some poorly designed website. Even when I finally got that installed, I couldn't get my secondary monitor properly set up - every time that the screensaver came up or I suspended/hibernated/restarted the computer, it reset the settings for it.
And like all of the software on Vista is proprietary! I tried to figure out how to recompile my kernel on Vista so that I could optimize it for my laptop and disable a few of the settings, but Microsoft wouldn't give me the source code. WTF? I paid for this, (actually, I didn't - I received a license for free as part of my "tech fee" or something) and you still won't let me look at the source code? Great.
Vista also didn't have awesome configurable settings in easily manipulable text files like '/etc/X11/xorg.conf'.
And I can't test out Vista with just a Live CD. 'Tis sad.
- johng4, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3Vista finally did something right. I'm sure that goes a long way in correcting all the painfully obvious problems it has otherwise... problems linux hasn't had in many years, if they ever had them at all.
- humanaut, on 10/10/2007, -9/+2The fact that this is a headline is pretty damn LOL.
- Dylson, on 10/10/2007, -8/+1asdf
- schoate09, on 10/10/2007, -1/+2jkl;
- derekjgo, on 10/10/2007, -8/+1The end is near for windows. I blame an evil Microsoft conspiracy for holding this back.
- omarciddo, on 10/10/2007, -1/+1This has been in other distros and on KDE for a while now. No conspiracy, just lag.
- jiganto, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3Now if they could just do something similar for samba, I'd be eternally greatful. The default configuration options in the GUI are useless and pretty much always have to edit smb.conf.
- sonicdevo, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2Have to say I agree, but have found Webmin to be _invaluable_
- CovardeAnonimo, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1install SWAT. apt-get install swat shoud do it (you also need inetd or xinetd.). then point your browser to http://127.0.0.1:901
- Maverick340, on 10/10/2007, -2/+1Ohh .. please include this in ubuntu 7.10 !! and whats with the damn audio too ? fix it guys !
- andycr512, on 10/10/2007, -2/+1About darned time.
Now if they can only get dual monitor support working on Ubuntu worth a darn on Nvidia cards...- andycr512, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Whoever's digging me down hasn't tried it.
Dual-monitor support worth anything requires a driver to be installed which will make the OS not boot anymore without reinstalling the driver in text-only mode, taking about 5 minutes every boot, because for some reason it decides to overwrite the X module for it every boot.
This issue is not present on any other distro.
- andycr512, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Whoever's digging me down hasn't tried it.
- Xiata, on 10/10/2007, -1/+2Ok, maybe it is just me but... do we REALLY need 2+ more dialog windows to control the screen?
I /really hate/ this about gnome projects, although KDE needs some work as well.
Yes we need these controls because X often corrupts my terminals when it crashes, but I do have a big problem with how they are going about it.
We do not need a "Graphics Driver" window, a "Screen and Graphics" window, a "Screen Resolution" window.
We need a SINGLE dialog that controls all the behaviors for the display. Nothing is more frustrating than having to constantly flip into the fastest-growing menu in gnome: the System -> Administration menu hoping to find that one well hidden configuration option.
Gnome is really taking simplicity a step too far past usable these days.
I mean really, is it so hard to have a Display control? - dmsean, on 10/10/2007, -1/+1i've always seen nvidia-settings as a xorg.conf gui. works so well for me, even setting up multi monitors with different resolutions was as easy as hitting the "save to xorg.conf" button.
- rodgerdodger5, on 10/10/2007, -1/+1Dugg for the amount of nerd gibberish in the title. The acronym for that is DFTAONGITT. V2.0
- whiteguysamurai, on 10/10/2007, -0/+5Why did this take so damn long?
- skinturtle, on 10/10/2007, -6/+1Nerds are usually the cause for resisting change with Linux because in the real world...they are nerds...they have no social lives and usually no control. With this stuff it makes them feel superior. They don't want to lose that grip.
It's just a power trip is all- texnofobix, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1And apparently it gives you a power trip to make fun of people. That is lame.
- robitor, on 10/10/2007, -4/+1too bad i have ati
- JaekZeBarbarian, on 10/10/2007, -0/+0Don't you mean this, instead? "Too bad ATI refuses to work on its GNU/Linux drivers enough to make them stable and otherwise decent."
And uh, I didn't read anything that said that this will be limited to NVidia and Intel chipsets, so.. yeah.
- JaekZeBarbarian, on 10/10/2007, -0/+0Don't you mean this, instead? "Too bad ATI refuses to work on its GNU/Linux drivers enough to make them stable and otherwise decent."
- tehtuxpenguin, on 10/10/2007, -4/+1I want an easy ingeration of Beryl. Still can't make it work after countless hours :(
- digitallysick, on 10/10/2007, -2/+2really? if your running ubuntu make a post at the ubuntu forums we can get it going
- Seanathan, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Getting Beryl to work on my ATI card is a freakin' nightmare. I couldn't get it working. =(
- osbjmg, on 10/10/2007, -1/+1Meanwhile, windows is still easy for things like this.
- andycr512, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Windows doesn't HAVE things like Beryl.........
Oh, and don't mention Aero. Ask anyone who has used both - 4/5 will tell you it's a poor substitute, including Chris Pirillo... - JaekZeBarbarian, on 10/10/2007, -0/+0Oh - Windows let's me draw on my screen with fire, if I want to?
I didn't THINK so!
- andycr512, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Windows doesn't HAVE things like Beryl.........
- andycr512, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1On Fiesty, if you have an nVidia card, it's very simple. Click Applications->Add/Remove, and refresh the package list (forgot the button name, it'll ask you to do it when you start it). Then go into the restricted driver manager (System->Administration) and enable the nVidia driver. Let it download and install, then restart (or, if you know how, restart X and you won't have to reboot the system). Then click System->Administration->Synaptic. Install beryl, beryl-manager, heliodor, beryl-plugins. Once installed, just click Applications->System->Beryl Manager. Right click the tray icon, setting the window manager to Beryl and the window decorator to Heliodor and bingo, beryl is installed and working.
- JaekZeBarbarian, on 10/10/2007, -0/+0Personally, after having used Beryl, Compiz, and Compiz Fusion, I prefer Compiz Fusion over the other two. Beryl was too unstable and Compiz was too blah and unconfigurable.
Though it keeps deleting my settings when I update. Beryl at least had let me export/import them.
- mattfugitive, on 10/10/2007, -1/+4Wow, umm.. better late then never?
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