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- schestowitz, on 10/12/2007, -1/+22To anyone wishing to see what it looks like, have a look at the homepage (with screenshots): http://code.google.com/p/avant-window-navigator/
- jbus, on 10/12/2007, -1/+17It is just a dock. There is no WM.
- jbus, on 10/12/2007, -2/+15Because it is source code... If there is no binary, this is what you have to do. If you want a gui application to do this try Kompile.
But the best way is to create your own .deb with checkinstall instead of using make install so it is easy to uninstall and install on other computers. - Vironex, on 10/12/2007, -1/+12Prozac well gone dry?
- Xilon, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9The title is inaccurate, it's called Avant Window Navigator, not Manager.
- EzarKun, on 10/12/2007, -11/+19I still dont understand even to this date why I have to
- extract files
- sudo
- ./configure
- make
- make install
Should have pointed this out in the begenning
- open the console
if you are making the OS->GUI, make everything a GUI
I know there is that adapt or adept thingy, its really nice, but some programs like ATi driver installer and stuff is a pain in the ass!
the tutorial is good and all, but...^ - Tyr7BE, on 10/12/2007, -3/+10Because computers are a lot of work. That's just the nature of the beast. Anything that's easy for you to do on a computer is the result of the hard work of others. If you walked into Microsoft's development office and wanted to build Outlook, you'd have to do something similar to what's described...there's no free lunch. Once that's done, you get a binary that you can drop-in on any compatible system and it will just work. Ubuntu has an installer for software that's been around for some time. I think it's "Add New Applications..." under one of the menus. You open up the dialog, click on (example) "RSS Reader", and click install. It downloads the binary and installs it for you. But before that happens, someone somewhere on some computer has to open the console, extract files, sudo, ./configure, make, make install, create a package, and put it on the internet where your computer knows where to find it. And if/when this AWN thing gets big enough, someone will do exactly that, and you'll be able to click "Install AWN" and you won't even have to think about that. But until then, it's a fairly obscure piece of software. For those who really need to try it, compilation is easy enough.
- wabbiteh, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7That was an error in the title. They actually refer to it as "avant window navigator". Submitter just can't read that well.
- jbus, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6Compile the SVN version, it works better. http://code.google.com/p/avant-window-navigator/source
- deadgoon42, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6@tralalaa
I would say this is alpha software at best and not meant for general public consumption. The advantage of open source is that it can be released before it is ready so that anyone can install it, check it out, help fix it, and report bugs. The disadvantage of open source is that the general public thinks that software that is released should be ready as if they went and bought it off the store shelf. Most of the time this is not the case and so the general public gets mad and asks "why it so hard to install," and "why does it crash?"
The author states on the development page that the app is in development.
Now, if you want to talk about how my Ubuntu install gets hosed every time a new version comes out and I try to upgrade, THEN we can talk about how Linux is not ready for general public consumption. - EzarKun, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5hey, thanks for the checkinstall thingy, didnt know about that.
- Mejogid, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6Believe me, if you wanted to compile something from source on windows, it would be far harder than that. It's because this is so easy (atleast in comparison) that far less emphasis is put on binary packages. Not to mention that this is still at an early alpha stage and you really shouldn't be running it if you can't compile it yourself.
- cawpin, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Alrighty then, I'll give it a try. Thanks for the correction. I saw Window Manager and thought it was an actual WM, not a Window organizer.
- ScornForSega, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5*****.
Dbr makes perfect sense.
Isn't the whole point of this linux push to move linux out of the obscurity of server rooms and into people's living rooms? That will NEVER happen if you tell people they need to use a terminal to install software. NEVER.
And it's all semantics that's preventing it. Does it really matter if File A is under /bin or /sbin or /etc or wherever? Does the user give a ***** what folder structure his OS has chosen to adopt? 9 times out of 10, the answer isn't no.. it's ***** NO.
But, when installing software that doesn't have an apt package or a .rpm, this ***** that makes no difference to the end user. What it does do is impede developers from making a single, unified software installer. - straxus, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5dbr_onix: You are comparing apples and oranges. Installing a binary app in Linux isn't any harder than on Windows. You can double click a DEB or RPM as easily as you can an EXE. You are trying to compare installing a binary app in Windows to compiling from source in Linux. That doesn't make sense. There's plenty of open source windows projects that I can download source for too. But, I don't go around complaining that it's harder to compile it on Windows than it is to double click a DEB in Ubuntu.
- dbr_onix, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4"Scenario 1: Open this program (if you have it installed), go to this tab, click this button, find this file, set these options....etc
-or-
Scenario 2: Copy and paste this into a terminal."
The first one is *far* easier - Give someone random a .exe installer on Windows, and a .tar'd source of the same application on Linux - There is *no way* they will be able to compile what ever the application is without help, but with the .exe, they'll double click it, and the rest is self-explanatory..
Besides, how many times have you done the whole "tar -xf blah; ./configure; make; sudo make install".
Why do you *still* have to do that? Sure, .deb packages and apt-get and the likes have sorted it to some degree, but there are a lot of tedious tasks that still seem to be nessisary (Compiling, extracting .tar/.gz/.bz2 and combinations of the 3, probably others, but none instantly spring to mind this second..), and distros all seem to make their own system up (Debian and such with .deb, and apt-get, Red Hat/Fedora etc with .rpm/YUM, Arch with pacman, Gentoo with portage/emerge, [while not really linux distros] Open/FreeBSD's also have portage)
Something like that "unifed package manager" sounds like it'd sort it (Assuming each distro could supply it with specific settings, like paths for binaries, man pages and such)
...anyway, Linux package management rants aside, Avant looks nice - More open-source projects should "borrow" ideas from other software (Particularly OS X and Windows)
- Ben - Ademan, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Plus dodging your distro's package manager is a very bad thing, someone should make a *.deb for this, rather than publishing a ./configure && make install method of doing things, as it is VERY hard to remove programs installed this way, unless you know where everything was installed to (not incredibly hard to do if you get an install log, but infinitely more complicated than sudo apt-get remove SomePackage)
cheers
-Dan - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5"Or you could just use SuperKaramba and not have to have AIGLX/XGL.... "
Or you could just use AIGLX/XGL... The choices are endless... um 2, there are 2 choices. - MrSarcasm, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5Well then how did you send the message?
- mogydy, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4didn't OSX riiped itoff from CDE?
- Tyr7BE, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3"I know there is that adapt or adept thingy, its really nice, but some programs like ATi driver installer and stuff is a pain in the ass!"
"sudo apt-get install fglrx" on any ubuntu system
That will install your drivers without any kind of compilation. If you're a special case, there may be some extra configurations that you'll have to do by hand. Yes that sucks, but it's nothing earth-shattering. Nvidia drivers are the same kind of deal. I issue a single apt-get, edit 2 lines of a file, and I'm looking at mouth-watering graphics 20 seconds later. - vh1`, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3how about someone use checkinstall to install it then distribute the .deb? I will, but it won't be for another few hours
- eje211, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3It's "apt". And it's usually up to the distribution (here Ubuntu) to make them. Most programs, especially small ones, only deliver the source. If the Ubuntu community likes this Dock thingie, they'll make an .deb package for it that will work with apt. Ubuntu provides a GUI for apt: Synaptic. (But it seems many people beat me to that explanation.)
- amerio, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2It's not an article, it's only a forum page, that's why it doesn't have screenshots. Plus this application is not ready yet, that's why it takes more than three steps. To install applications in linux only takes two steps: open package manager, install package, which is really easy...
- searayman, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2check out the avant manager wiki:
http://awn.wetpaint.com/ - chicken101, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2It works well. Digg.
- nailer, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1jbus: *****. Most Linux users don't read the source code to their apps.
- binmugahid, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Thank you, thank you, thank you.
- rczeien, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Actually they bought the NeXTStep OS. If CDE had it first I don't know. But, NextStep is kinda old.
- vh1`, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2http://digg.com/linux_unix/Ubuntu_Tutorial_for_Avant_Window_Manager_Eye_Candy#c5055008
he sums it up pretty well - jbus, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3For starters the gnome window list is ugly and is not very configurable.
- tnwake, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3It looks nice and all, but what's the point when the ubuntu gui already has a bar at the bottom that tracks open applications?!
- truck87bp, on 10/12/2007, -3/+4@EzarKun
Hey, give the guy a chance, he just started the project. It will be totally done some day with the zoom and the goodies and an automatic download.
We would like to see you do this for Windows in a short period of time. Plus you will have to pay for a license just to get it approved to be used. It would also have to meet all the requirements for Trusted Computing and full of DRM crap. Wake up and smell the roses.
Not trying to piss you off, just stating some facts. I think the first approval license is like over $50,000.00 then there are a couple more and a yearly license fee. - crossers, on 07/03/2008, -0/+0thanks, it will be ok!
http://www.ocflex.com/
http://www.trgovinca.org
http://www.chasr.org/ - Xilon, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1I don't have AIGLX/XGL but I can still run Beryl and this dock :P In fact I'm off to install it right now, luckily there was a PKGBUILD submitted yesterday to AUR :)
- crossers, on 02/25/2008, -0/+0Thanks a lot - the tutorial is very useful. Have you seen this articles? http://www.rsschannelwriter.com and http://www.sitemapwriter.com
- Phate8263, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Try installing the avant window navigator in windows?
- mocerinoj, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0
- madeingermany, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1I it really for the lack of eye-candy that Linux isn't more widely used?
/hits Ctrl+Alt+F1 to escape - roosterjm2k2, on 10/12/2007, -7/+6EzarKun,
Because the console is easier for people to deal with... Sounds strange, I know, but hear me out.
Whats easer:
Scenario 1: Open this program (if you have it installed), go to this tab, click this button, find this file, set these options....etc
-or-
Scenario 2: Copy and paste this into a terminal.
? - jbus, on 10/12/2007, -4/+3Why do we need someone to distribute an unofficial deb that it takes just a couple of minutes to build, when everyone can build their own? Also, do you really want to be running binaries that someone that you do not know built? That can be dangerous, windows-like territory. If you do get a deb from someone make sure it's from someone you trust.
- cawpin, on 10/12/2007, -6/+5I want this to just be a dock that I can use with Beryl. I don't need an entire Window Manager.
- almighty, on 10/12/2007, -4/+2Aww come on, an OSX ripoff? Well maybe you are right. I think devs should spend more time on innovation rather than duplication, but this guy is only 23 years old. He has to start somewhere right? I think this looks like a good application but the beautiful thing about *nix is you don't have to install what you don't want.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -5/+3Or you could just use SuperKaramba and not have to have AIGLX/XGL....
Nice tutorial though. I'm sure it'll be useful for many. - Topher06, on 10/12/2007, -7/+2Silly Linux users, follow this easy tutorial:
tar -zxvf avant-window-navigator-0.1.1-2.tar.gz
cd avant-window-navigator-0.1.1/
sudo apt-get install build-essential
sudo apt-get install libgtk2.0-dev libwnck-dev libwnck-common libgconf2-dev libglib2.0-dev
./configure
make
sudo make install
cd data
gconftool-2 --install-schema-file=avant-window-navigator.schemas
avant-window-navigator
avant-preferences
Whats wrong with double clicking on an Icon? - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -8/+2Cool. Get it down to 3 steps and maybe Linux will be ready for general public consumption!
Plus the article lacks screenshots. Window Manager, great, but what does it look like? - edsonmedina, on 10/12/2007, -10/+2Wow. I find it wierd that no one has mentioned that this is a totally OSX-ripoff.
Cool, but still a rip-off. - cromus, on 10/12/2007, -46/+5lol u pranked ur dad with linux he thinks vista n then u posted it on ur blog
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