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- raingrove, on 10/12/2007, -0/+36maybe it's the power outage.
- webcrumb, on 10/12/2007, -3/+38This reminds me of a story told to us by a lecturer who often contracted for major companies such as Orange and Belgacom.
He had been contracted to harden a number of machines, and had sorted out most problems. However, there was one problem that seemingly could not be solved: every Monday morning at 8am an entire server block would become unavailable for five or so minutes and would require someone to boot each machine (WOL or pushing the buttons). They looked at every aspect of the server configurations trying to work out why the machines would turn themselves off at the same time every week, but to no avail. They even raised it with the manufacturer.
One day, the person tasked with starting the machines happened across a cleaner, who apoligised for running a bit late this morning. He watched as the cleaner unplugged the vacuum cleaner from the wall, and reinserted another plug.
The other plug supplied power for the bank of servers.
:)
Not sure how much of that was true (probably happened once), but just goes to show... hardening the software is no good if someone comes along and unplugs the power. :) - TenebrousX, on 10/12/2007, -2/+17I don't think it's a DDoS attack, you don't even get a response if you ping the servers
- Narpas, on 10/12/2007, -2/+16To people who think this is lame, I can't:
* Use the repositories to install anything. That is, I can't easily install anything. It's back to google searches and tarballs.
* Get tech support. Ubuntu forums is the first and last place I go for that.
* Get security updates. - konspence, on 10/12/2007, -0/+13What I did was switched all my urls in /etc/apt/sources.list from http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu (or whatever yours may be) to http://ftp.osuosl.org/pub/ubuntu
That's the Oregon state univ. open source lab, and their servers are great and fast, as well as still online.
Eg, here are mine:
## Official Dapper Respositories
##
deb http://ftp.osuosl.org/pub/ubuntu/ dapper main restricted universe multiverse
deb-src http://ftp.osuosl.org/pub/ubuntu/ dapper main restricted universe multiverse
deb http://ftp.osuosl.org/pub/ubuntu/ dapper-updates main restricted universe multiverse
deb-src http://ftp.osuosl.org/pub/ubuntu/ dapper-updates main restricted universe multiverse
deb http://ftp.osuosl.org/pub/ubuntu/ dapper-backports main restricted universe multiverse
deb-src http://ftp.osuosl.org/pub/ubuntu/ dapper-backports main restricted universe multiverse
deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu dapper-security main restricted universe multiverse
deb-src http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu dapper-security main restricted universe multiverse
just run apt-get update and you're set. - Optimus, on 10/12/2007, -2/+14The system is down, yo.
http://www.homestarrunner.com/systemisdown.html - MasteRR, on 10/12/2007, -2/+12I think it's funny that the people who complain about Linux news not being news don't just remove the entire Linux/Unix section from their Digg display.
- anonyjames, on 10/12/2007, -0/+10RE: I'm kind of disappointed that such a popular distro has no backup servers in other location.
Meanwhile, the #3 site in the United States, worth $580 Million, was down, as well as much of Yahoo, the #1 site. You can hardly expect a free linux distribution to have geographically distributed when those two don't. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10@webcrumb
I have to think that's a BS urban legend. Damn near every server room use rack mounted UPS's that plug into a non-standard AC plug in the wall. A vacuum cleaner wouldn't have the same sort of plug as the UPS. - icecubed, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10THANK GOD...
And i thought it's something with my net configuration. - ruimoura, on 10/12/2007, -5/+13If you weren't so stupid you would understand that it is important ... Some people need the repos up and running so that they can do theyr job, you know?
- webcrumb, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8Isn't this the first time this has happened? Despite multiple digg and Slashdots? And each of the releases attracting huge amounts of bandwidth usage? I'd say it isn't the servers.
- slackerbox, on 10/12/2007, -3/+11Figures. The day I finally get off my lazy ass to install my tv tuner card into my Ubuntu box - the servers go down. :(
- coopa, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7@webcrumb
http://www.snopes.com/horrors/freakish/cleaner.asp
There's an urban legend story about that kind of thing, though a quick google did pull up a message on Snopes' forums from a story on NewScientist.com about an actual time this happened to a webserver. Unfortunately i couldn't find the story on NS' site anymore (it's from July 9th, 2000).
Edit:Beaten, but here's the link to the thread from Newscientist.
http://msgboard.snopes.com/message/ultimatebb.php?/ubb/get_topic/f/91/t/000443/p/1.html - scatman, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9The real reason it's down is because the Internet is not something you just dump something on. It's not a big truck.
It's a series of tubes.
And if you don't understand those tubes can be filled and if they are filled, when you put your message in, it gets in line and it's going to be delayed by anyone that puts into that tube enormous amounts of material, enormous amounts of material. - sumrandommember, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6The german repos are still up http://de.archive.ubuntu.com
- phobozad, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6Doing a traceroute shows that it gets to a london level3 server before starting to time out
- MasteRR, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8Maybe you don't care, but the people who are wondering why their apt repositories arn't working would like to know. If it's news to a large number of people, it's news.
However I would mark this one as innacurate due to the fact that it suggests a DDoS attack. - trylleklovn, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6I doubt it's their fault other than not having emergency backup servers located at a different location.
As far as i can tell it is their hosting provider which is out of order... - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6@ Webcrumb
Follow up.. that seems to be a take on this urban legend found on Snopes - http://www.snopes.com/horrors/freakish/cleaner.asp - kortiz, on 10/12/2007, -14/+20is this really such a big deal?
- aleander, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7An anonymous claiming to be Jeff Waugh claimed on http://supermikenews.blogspot.com/2006/07/suspected-weekend-hacker-attack-on.html (from a duplicate of this story) that the reason is a double power outage. I'm kind of disappointed that such a popular distro has no backup servers in other location (and that the servers are down for such a long time).
- theonewho, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5I had luck changing the archive.ubuntu.com to us.archive.ubuntu.com....also try the german repos if that doesn't work.
- motang, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Same here I thought it was my router that was ***** up again.
- Narpas, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Right. Which is why I'm screwing around on digg rather than vSound running. I set aside time today to figure out how to download all of my favorite NPR shows and listen to them as MP3s rather than streaming .rm's.
Linux is still mainly used by computer enthusiasts. What do we do? We use computers a lot.
Besides, I'm doing laundry. I can't really leave the house. - JSchwage, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4To all of you who think this news is lame, look in the mirror.
Yesterday in the middle of updating some of my packages it suddenly stopped downloading the updates in the middle. I thought it was a problem with my notebook or my internet connection. If I hadn't seen this news on digg, I probably would have ended up reinstalling Ubuntu from scratch since I also couldn't access the Ubuntu Forums. - foofightrs777, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5There servers have always been stable for me. This is the first time I can remember their site(s) being down for any length of time. So, I wouldn't be complaining about reliability.
Still, maybe ubuntu needs to re-analyze their plans for situations such as this. Even a simple "Temporary Difficulties-- Check Back Later" page would be better than allowing for time outs. At least that way people know they're in the right place. - motang, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5I though there was something wrong when I wasn't able to do update on my Ubuntu machine.
- XAsmodeaNX, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Jeff Waugh is an employee at Canonical. Assuming that the poster is indeed Jeff Waugh this power outage scenario would seem more likely.
- bobbob1016, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4@brendanc
"a) Use a functional computer. Geez, if all of you Ubuntu people are searching for stuff on the repo's all the time, how do you possibly have time to do real work?
b) Use a computer with Windows. SHOCK! GASP! ONOEZ NOT TEH WINBLOWZ!!!!1~ Seriously folks, Windows might "suck", but at least you don't have to apt-get tar -zxvf make install for every program.
......"
I use XP, OSX, and Dapper, so I find your generalizing all Linux users to illiterate teenagers, "ONOEZ NOT TEH WINBLOWZ!!!!!1", odd. I use all three so when I decide to harp on a flaw in one, I know what I am talking about, at least more than you seem to. It is obvious you have either never used Linux, or haven't for a while, you can do apt-get install program, or tar -zxvf (I have never personally used that one much, I haven't had the need to). There is a program called Synaptic which does all the apt-get-ing from a GUI program. The benefit is that all the programs there are spyware/virus free. The downside is that if the server goes down, no one can install programs as easily.
Also, what do you mean a functional computer? I'd assume that you mean functional as in one with XP. My fresh Ubuntu install comes with a full office suite, instant messenger (not one that is just built by Ubuntu, like XP and MSN Messenger), a full partitioning program, and a multitude of crappy games, as opposed to the few XP comes with. - control98408, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Wow, i was doing the exact same thing. I managed to get kdetv working after TvTime displayed garbled video. Just need to tweak the channels now.
- MischievousPuck, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3While I do not think this a big deal, it is news worthy and something I was wondering about. I have a significant number of Ubuntu Servers serving various purposes. None of them are mission critical, but they do serve important roles. So I have a limited window where I do my updates so as to minimize risk of problems while people are active.
So it is inconvenient that the repositories are offline but updates can wait a week. I did wonder whether the problem was on my side or not up to seeing this article though. - butlershouse, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Thats not a DDoS. its all the people at LugRadio Live 2006 getting their updates hving just grabbed the 6.06LTS Ubuntu CDs!
- aleander, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Security updates are down.
- Narpas, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4That's a really good call. Peoples should go to
http://digg.com/profileedit/ (Your screen name) /topics
and get rid of a few of those sections. - kmandla, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Looks like it has also knocked out markshuttleworth.com; that seems to make sense. Ubuntu Gamers Arena is still up, but that makes sense too, since (I think) KingBahamut runs those.
- Iandefor, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Of course, because the integrity of the servers of the company that distributes Ubuntu is such a reliable indicator of the quality of the actual operating system. There *are* mirrors of all the services tied into the actual OS itself.
- Goner, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Yes, and yahoo instant messenger and other stuff was down for a large portion of the day yesterday. It was due to the heat and subsequent power outages and whatnot. I suspect the hosting for these serevrs is simply having a power problem.
- Narpas, on 10/12/2007, -8/+11People with Windows get to double-click on "install.exe" and hit next until the program starts working.
People with Windows get IE automaticly gets security updates from microsoft.com.
People with Windows have all of the documentation for thier OS on thier hard-drive. Ubuntu keeps documentation online.
Sure, it's not the best thing to keep all the eggs in a single basket, but this IS a computer-stopping deal for Ubuntu users. - dbr_onix, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3It is, the apt-get repositories are hosted on those servers, and today happened to be the day I started setting up a server.. The sources.list someone posted up a bit work perfectly though, even just that post makes this story usefull..
- Ben - MasteRR, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Sounds like a feature request.
- egorgry, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3I picked a fine day to install dapper on my amd box. :) I guess I'll have to do something social.
- Narpas, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Totally. We get, like, fifteen crappy games. You get, what? Six?
:-P - webcrumb, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2It's blackcatnetworks.co.uk
From whois:
Registration Service Provider:
Black Cat Networks Ltd. support@blackcatnetworks.co.uk
- veracon, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3You can still download the distro, though; what do you think mirrors are for? http://ubuntu.mirrors.skynet.be/pub/ubuntu.com/ is one that works perfectly, and I'd assume that most (if not all) others do as well; they're not at all related to ubuntu.com.
- paradoxxxx, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I just installed my tv tuner card about an hour ago as well, gonna hafta find somewhere else to get packages...
are Sunday's just good days for installing hardware? - Nothlit, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2In my case, I've been putting off installing and learning Linux for months. Finally decided to try it today, and look what happens.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2and I was going to install Kalzium
- aleander, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2For new software, just add a mirror (de.archive.ubuntu.com, AFAIR). Security updates won't work.
- Blazeix, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Sorry for piggybacking, but the servers are now up.
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