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- penultimate, on 10/12/2007, -2/+34I just registered to ask this question:
Does apple pay you lot to always complain about how stupid it is to want to install operating systems besides OS X on mac hardware? Cause it seems like it's a pretty natural thing for a geek to want to do, and this is supposedly a geek site, so I'm basically lost as to your motivation.
People put linux on everything. It's what linux does.
Windows plays games, os x is pretty, and linux runs stable on everything that has a cpu.
Bah. - geminitojanus, on 10/12/2007, -0/+17"isn't ubuntu hacker kindof a contradiction?"
No. Ubuntu is one of the most advanced distros technology-wise, simply because it gets so much attention from its developers. Almost all of the perl that tied debian together is slowly being replaced by python. Some of the more cutting edge improvements to X11 and GNOME are represented. Ubuntu's advancing desktop linux by leaps and bounds by making everything more simple. But, then again, these guys are piggy-backing on the Gentoo boot code that got released about a week ago (which I knew they would).
"uh, why would you pay for a Mac and put a crappy OS on it?"
Because they can. And that's all the reason most Linux users need. Aside from that, a lot of people like to develop on Linux because of it's more raw GNU toolkit and such. Though truthfully I'm a big fan of Xcode and Objective C these days. - mjg59, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7Yes, it's an Intel Mac. Yes, it's Dapper rather than Breezy. No, it's not a fake. I'd have better things to do with my life (arguably I have better things to do with my life than get Ubuntu working on an Intel imac, but, well, y'know).
Re: hacker - I'm moderately active on linux-kernel and linux-acpi. I wrote vbetool, a utility that is now used by most major distributions in order to improve suspend to RAM under Linux. If anyone would like to tell me in person that I need to be using Gentoo, I'll laugh at you and won't buy you a drink. Ever. - macewan, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6I use it at work because of the software. Since I work with a nonprofit there just isn't the money to spend Office Suite or graphics programs (unless you control the money then you get whatever you want) ;-) So opensource & Ubuntu is the way to go.
- geminitojanus, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6"Ok, why don't we agree to disagree- and all use Solaris."
No accellerated video for any modern graphics card. - bieber, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5Ah. So, how many of you "Linux" bashers have ever actually used GNU/Linux for any sizable period of time? Yeah, that's what I thought.
- synchestric, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Because:
1. That CD you have is for PowerPC CPUs, and as you should know the new Macs are Intel;
2. New Macs don't have a BIOS like normal PCs do (instead they have what's called the EFI), making it more troublesome to install other x86 prepared operating systems. - Gman1223, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4"Who cares?"
uhhh me
If they come out with ubuntu for intel mac i may buy one - lazyplayboy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3lol, mjg59 doesn't only use ubuntu, he makes ubuntu. dumbass.
- parable2005, on 10/12/2007, -3/+6Can you just throw in a different video card?
Oh wait.......
Ummm yeah, THANKS Apple.
They're still the BEST though, right? - bieber, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4So, in other words, because you're too lazy to learn how to use the package systems, Linux sucks? I've been using it for a good long while now without any problems. If there's a dependency problem, YaST fixes it for me, without any intervention on my part. In fact, I can install just about anything by opening YaST and typing its name. Seems plenty convenient to me...
- geminitojanus, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3"The page didn't load all the way for me, but did he actually explain how he got the EFI bios booting up Linux? I don't think so."
On most of the Linux mailing lists I'm subscribed to, it's common knowledge how to get EFI support into Linux; elilo is already good to go, just a few patches were needed for Apple's specific behavior. Also, this is just a framebuffer picture, which is actually available through the linux kernel and EFI. So it's not an incredibly complicated hack, but it works. (And yes, the Gentoo guys got this to work first. Pat them on the back the next time you see them). - mlambie, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3It's Matthew Garrett - this guys knows his *****. And he's very angry.
- FiZi, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2This is great news. I'd possibly buy a new Intel based Mac laptop now knowing I wouldn't have to use Mac OS. I've tried it out (Mac OS) and I didn't like it much, how ever that is just me.
- zeebo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Yeah, I messed up, I saw iMac and thought Mac Mini.
Its true though, the video hardware in the higher end macs is a big stumbling block for linux right now. - geminitojanus, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3"Easier on a iMac than the MacBook and iMac interestingly enough because the video is crappier, as ATI has totally abandoned linux support."
The new iMac and MacBook have the same graphics adaptor. However, it would be prudent to note that they didn't get X11 to work, instead, it's a framebuffer that Apple left in their EFI implementation. So it's not accellerated video in any sort of way (which for all intents and purposes, rules out any pratical use). Still, it's a step up from where they were. - WDot, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Sweet deal. With the addition of Compiz and XGL, soon we won't be able to tell the difference. ;)
- hydrokayak, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Not sure what to say. It's not a press release, and there isn't anything to glorify this in any way. Is it possible that this could be the first step towards Windows on an Intel Mac. I'd like to see how this goes from here. Linux is just a starting point for Intel Macs....
- geminitojanus, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2"why linux on mac? also..why link to livejournal?"
See above, and because that's Digg for you. If it's not on someone's journal it won't hit front page. I miss the old days when news was news.
But then again, this is a good hack. So I went against my ordinary digg behavior and dugg it. - doublebackslash, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Old quote, but a fun one:
"Linux on an iBook, the iron fist in a velvet glove."
lmao - geminitojanus, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2"Someone apparently needs to take a look at their workstation line-up before speaking."
Okay, I'll clarify; OpenSolaris doesn't have support for any modern graphics cards. Closed Solaris (and thusly Sun's X11 implementation) does have support for newer cards, as they get access to some of the specs the OS world doesn't. This is because XWindows kernel Direct Rendering Manager hasn't been completely implemented in OpenSolaris (AFAIK). - synchestric, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@Zeebo: well... the ATI Linux drivers are still there, but ATI's Linux support is kind of null. nVidia does a much better job.
- geminitojanus, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2"Can you just throw in a different video card?
Oh wait.......
Ummm yeah, THANKS Apple.
They're still the BEST though, right?"
Wouldn't matter if you could, the drivers for everything are still being sorted out. If you're still trying to get EFI and the underlying hardware support into the kernel, video is not something on your mind.
Give it time, the hackers will have current gen support for the newer ATi chips. And ATi will roll over and get their binary drivers out at some point as well. But then again ATi still can't write drivers worth a damned, so it'll be hit or miss at best. (I love you ATi, but please, fire everyone you have working in your driver department. And yes, it should be one of your priorities). - Durrok, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Uhg, getting the video drivers to work on my ati card in ubuntu was a BITCH. Thank god for google. This is cool though, if someone, you know, GAVE ME one of these I would do it. Otherwise
- rouben, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@jeminitojanus:
""Ok, why don't we agree to disagree- and all use Solaris."
No accellerated video for any modern graphics card."
Yeah if you want to overpay for a Sun-blessed workstation with a video card that was hot last year. No thanks. - rouben, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1penultimate: Windows plays games, os x is pretty, and linux runs stable on everything that has a cpu.
Oh man, you said it! This is now going to be my new forum sig everywhere. - whiteacid, on 10/12/2007, -3/+4When I got my copies of Ubuntu, my box of cd's came with the orange discs which were in fact ubuntu for mac? So how is this exactly a hack when its already done for you?
- Eddible, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Well it has the iSight built in and you can see the FrontRow remote on the floor next to it. So it's an Intel.
- rouben, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@chicken101:
"Ok, why don't we agree to disagree- and all use Solaris."
That's because Solaris doesn't do half the things Linux can do (when was the last time you saw a solaris powered embedded device or a PDA)?
Solaris isn't open source (or wasn't until very recently; Sun was a bit too late on that one).
Solaris doesn't come close to Linux in hardware support. Try installing Solaris 9 or 10 x86 on a typical desktop PC and get the network card to work.
Solaris doesn't come close to Linux when it comes to portability and different architecture support (again, we have Sun to thank for that).
Why would I want to run a decade old GUI that Sun is still bent on shipping when their OS (I'm talking about the CDE environment still built on Motif, where one can only run xclock and xterm to avoid the urge to stab own evey with a fork).
You have to spend days recompiling the whole GNU toolkit (or downloading the sun freeware collection) to get tools on your Solaris box that aren't bug ridden and are actually usable.
Need I go on? - Gman1223, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1"Eh.. It's kinda hard to prove.. That pic could have been easily faked.
And also, that looks like a screen of Dapper, not Breezy. You can tell by the top right corner of the screen, there's the little "door" button. Unless he added that in afterwards, which doesn't seem like it, as everything else is in it's default positions, that's only there on Dapper."
Yeah that looks like Dapper to Me not Breezy. - sneed, on 10/12/2007, -4/+5"uh, why would you pay for a Mac and put a crappy OS on it?"
More like why would you pay for a Mac and leave the crappy OS on it? - blhack, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1kaboom:
although i doubt you will read this again....instant message me and i'll help you get linux working on your laptop :)...i have the same one :).
btw, Arizona?...do you live in tempe as well? - sharperguy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Windows does not play games
The games play on windows :P - zeebo, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3Easier on a iMac than the MacBook and iMac interestingly enough because the video is crappier, as ATI has totally abandoned linux support.
- TheAttacks, on 10/12/2007, -3/+3I'M EXCITED!!!! Can't wait to see if this is in time enough to be included in the Dapper release.
- hadak, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2bah. make me sign in.
anyway. "linux on a mac would be awesome. then all of the war driving tools actual hackers use would be available to me. Time to buy myself a macbook pro bitchiz."
why not check out ubuntu.com or kubuntu.com? i've got a powerbook, (and recently acquired an ibook) and i've got kubuntu running on both. (of course, osx installed, and i have a live version of kubuntu). and you're right. having my "tools" is awesome. do your homework ;) - nnonix, on 10/12/2007, -3/+3S'ok, Ubuntu doesn't care for you either.
- vertigoblue, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1stoops,
you can put Linux on any non-x86 mac, with a native install disk...
here is one of the mirrors:
http://mirror.mcs.anl.gov/pub/ubuntu-iso/5.10/ - Anchoret, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2While we're at it, what genius came up with those asinine alliterative nicknames for the Ubuntu releases? What are we really talking about? v5.10 or what?
Anyway, as I always say, "installing" is one thing -- running reliably with full functionality and proper hardware support is an entirely different matter. - dosman711, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1LiveJournal??? seriously.... Impressed by the Ubuntu Hack, Unimpressed by LJ... Digg++
- dearreid, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1I couldn't even get the live CD to boot my iMac G5.
- GuineaPig, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Paying a premium for x86 hardware in order to get OS X, and, then, trying to get Linux to work on it is the height of absurdity.
- linnerd40, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0I have seen these kind of hacks before but never on a new mac-intel. But other than just the sheer accomplishment, why would you want linux on a mac? Seriously, what good does it do. Ah, what the heck, its fun, challenging, and gets you some good exposure on prominant tech blogs/ websites. Had I the time and know how (and money to waste on a new mac to hack) I would definitely try something like this. But, alas, I am but a meer Linux noob among many an accomplished hack/ geek.
- Midnightbrewer, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1Now if only they can get it running on the new multi-core G5s and I'll be impressed.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0Definiatly not a fake, look at the keyboard wire. Still twisted. Usually the twist lasts a week or two tops.
- Ricapar, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0Eh.. It's kinda hard to prove.. That pic could have been easily faked.
And also, that looks like a screen of Dapper, not Breezy. You can tell by the top right corner of the screen, there's the little "door" button. Unless he added that in afterwards, which doesn't seem like it, as everything else is in it's default positions, that's only there on Dapper. - ihate2regist, on 10/12/2007, -7/+6"uh, why would you pay for a Mac and put a crappy OS on it?"
Dude you just bought a mac! It came with a crappy OS. - Gman1223, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1"fake, it's just an iMac G5, that's no hack, it's actually a version of ubuntu linux"
Yeah it looks fake
Looks like the G5 - briguyd, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0Where is the menu on the top right? Am I just not seeing it?
And do the G5 iMacs have the iSight on the top? I don't know. - fridge2k, on 10/12/2007, -3/+1Article about Ubuntu? Auto digg!!!!!!
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