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- thekidder, on 10/12/2007, -3/+40Ok. I really love Ubuntu, but enough with the "In three days this is going to be news!" crap.
- TheAttacks, on 10/12/2007, -3/+35I'm running Dapper RC1 right now, a WONDERFUL operating system. I would suggest it to anyone for general/enterprise use.
- crazypip666, on 10/12/2007, -2/+25Sounds great but my boss wants to know if it will run bonzai buddy natively or if he will still need to install wine for that.
- syberghost, on 10/12/2007, -3/+20You go on thinking Linux isn't Enterprise-ready. I'll go on supporting hundreds of Linux systems for the Fortune 100 company for which I work (and other co-workers will go on supporting thousands more). Hope we compete directly with you.
- chicken101, on 10/12/2007, -3/+19I even find my Dad sneaking uses on my dapper system. Although he won't admit that he likes it.... yet.
- jamey, on 10/12/2007, -0/+15I seriously can't wait – version 6.06 (Dapper Drake, whatever you want to call it) is a well-deserved update to an already excellent operating system. The UI enhancements and overall polish to Dapper should allow more Windows users to have a go.
- Kruncher, on 10/12/2007, -0/+13@GinsuGuy585
Yes, Windows has more drivers from hardware venders, but GNU/Linux has more hardware support out of the box than Windows does. - IMesh, on 10/12/2007, -6/+18Your dad uses myspace... I am so happy my dad isn't a 13 year old emo kid.
- b7j0c, on 10/12/2007, -0/+10shyshock - why would ubuntu dapper include a ERP or CRM app in the default install??? even if it did, you would say it was inadequate. how to release software with ubuntu - apt. make your own repository. trivial. how do you control group policy? the same way you do in any unix. YOU MAKE GROUPS.
- zirtbow, on 10/12/2007, -2/+10No kidding... since when was digg a countdown to things being released.... Someone should post a "In x months the PS3 will be released."
- Koskun, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9While this release has me intrigued to give it a shot, these type of posts are getting as annoying as the FF hit xxx downloads ones.
When it releases there will be a race to be the first one to get a story up with links to download it, possibly a day early wouldn't surprise me, but I don't think there are many people on Digg that don't know it isn't coming out on the 1st, we don't need posts everyday till. - blackmath, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7Im torrenting the cd image this thursday to install on the laptop. With good wireless support and ease of use whats not to like? I already have the server version of Breezy Badger running in an OLD compaq as a LAN fileserver. It recognized EVERYTHING, even the onboard NIC how cool is that? Its been up for 40 days straight now with no decrease in performance. I cant wait.
- nailbunny, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8i got my dad dual booting breezy, since he loves firefox anyway.
he's not that into computers, i took pains to reproduce his windows desktop. i transferred his bookmarks from windows. he sits down, clicks around, notices that his myspace password isn't saved, and asks for his windows back. - nailbunny, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7ubuntu is known for its easiness of installation, its tendency to work with the most hardware, the neat way the install image fits on one measly little cd, its multilingual capability, and its brown-ness
glad to hear you're considering giving the craziness a shot. i suppose you want to be told what to do, so i'll do that.
you want to burn 2 boot cds. the first one is the gparted live cd
http://gparted.sourceforge.net/livecd.php
the second is the ubuntu cd, preferably one that has a live version with the install, so you can see how it recognises your hardware.
you defrag your HD, boot off gparted, resize your windows partition, make at least 8-12 gigs of room, leave the empty space unpartitioned.
now dell computers are formatted wierdly. odds are if you have one you will have a tiny 32mb-ish diagnostic partition, and perhaps a restore partition too. from my experience, i've found that it's a good idea to leave the diagnostic partiton alone. if you must delete it, at least copy it elsewhere in case something breaks, so you can put it back the way it was.
the ubuntu install is straightforward. the only thing that the uninitiated to linux might wonder about is partitioning. you'll want a 1 gig swap partition, and the rest formatted ext3 (to pick one of many possibilities)
ubuntu will handle the dual booting for you, it will install grub and it will see your windows partition and you're set. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6When people walk by me, I wobble my windows and flip my cube around. That gets their attention.
- bennyboy371, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6Okay, so this is going to sound majorly stupid to everyone here, but I've actually been thinking about setting up my laptop to dual boot XP and Linux, and I've been hearing about Ubuntu alot lately. What exactly is it about this distribution that everyone loves? I honestly don't understand much of it to begin with, I'm a Linux newbie as is.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -11/+17Enterprise use, eh? How do you control group policy? How do you push out software? Are there any enterprise software packages (i.e. automated workflow, document management, ERP, CRM, etc... ) that will authenticate against a directory services type machine (like Open LDAP)?
Are any of these methods as tried and tested as say MS Active Directory or Novell eDirectory/NDS? If the answer to any of these is no or "maybe", then it's not enterprise-ready.
Sorry, I love Ubuntu and all, but I think it (and GNU/Linux in general) is still far from "Enterprise-ready". - Herolint, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5@ SkyShock21
Yes, Linux has all that. The nice thing is that you can customize it all any way you'd like.
As an interesting sidenote, the company I work for won't allow Windows servers anywhere near our server farm for two main reasons (and a bunch of smaller ones): 1) Windows is too chatty on the network and sucks up too many resources; 2) Windows can't handle the load. All the machines in our server farm are Linux, although any other Unix or uinx-like system would probably do the job just fine too. Therefore, if you ask me, it is Windows that isn't really ready for the serious enterprise.
I've seen the same policies regarding Windows in other resource critical, down-time-is-not-an-option situations as well.
Netware would probably be okay if it wasn't "mostly dead". - chutz, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Just because it doesn't implement enterprise features in the way you are used to, does not mean it's not "ready". Linux supports everything you want to do with it, you just have to change the way you approach problems. Instead of looking at them from a windows/novell perspective you need to look at them from a unix perspective.
I manage a network with ~400 Gentoo machines for a living, and I can certainly say that it has all the "enterprise" features I have ever needed. These are all workstations, we have maybe 10 servers. - pbaehr, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5They don't install by default, but they're in the repositories. The next Ubuntu release (Edgy Eft) is supposedly going to be built with that sort of bleeding edge stuff in mind, though. That may be what you're thinking of.
- Kujila, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Wait, is Dapper Drake the build that comes with XGL/Compiz packages?
- deadbaby, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6Security fixes and package updates.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5@skyshock
You can pump out all the acronyms you want, but no system is easier to automate, maintain and scale than Unix. Doubly so with a Debian based system. Perhaps some of the apps aren't there, but you're laughing with the heavyweights. - jpatch, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6Linksys wifi card, here. Eddie, my "shipboard computer," has been very upset since I wiped Breezy Badger off of it and replaced it with WinXP. I needed the wireless functionality though... If Dapper Drake can get wireless working on this thing, I may not have to reprogram it with a large axe after all.
- kettlechips, on 10/12/2007, -5/+10If only windows could reognise onboard NICs...
- Nyfeh, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5Seems like when I bitched to the linux fanboys that breezy badger didn't work with my broadcom wifi card they told me that dapper drake would fix all of that... So if thats true, this should be quite a milestone indeed!
- TheAttacks, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6Ubuntu's (or linux for that matter) wireless support hasn't had a good track record. I use ndiswrapper to get my wireless running, which is actually easier than it is to get working in Windows (believe me). Oh, and try out gnome-look.org. I hate all the icons and such as well, so I remove them from next to the menu options and install a new icon theme and such.
- b7j0c, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5is this a joke? a typical OSX desktop has *at least* some pinstripe and metal apps running at any given time. maybe more. this is brought up again and again and no one seems to be able to provide a real answer why the company that prides itself on UI quality continues to support two entirely different "skins" on the desktop. in fact even mentioning it will get this comment modded down.
same for xp. check out recent adobe apps for example and you will see they just give up on the windows look and feel and pretty much implement their own skin.
if you run gnome and kde at the same time well then yes you are mixing two desktops. but if you choose one and just run it, you will in fact get a consistent look and feel on your desktop. - nailbunny, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4haxx, 5 years down the road dapper will be stable as *****, like slackware, and that turns some people on
- barbobot, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5http://doc.gwos.org/index.php/Network_Manager_with_WPA
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Ubuntu also has a great community. Every time I have a problem, I just google: ubuntu forums "problem here". Typically, I can find my answer within 20 seconds.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3As much as I am loving XGL (running on it right now, flippy on the cuby!), theres still work to be done. That is, if you are running with XGL, you will have to go through some loopholes to make UT2004 and other OpenGL games run correctly (or at a playable framerate).
That is, I believe I have to make UT and others run on display 0 instead of 1. Some console syntax thing that I have saved in a txt document on my desktop. Blerh. Heineken. Thankyou. - Haroldx, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3I think this:
http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/dapperbeta
link is more helpful. ;)
Definitely a digg! - fatalfury, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Wireless works fine on my laptop with dapper 6.06, although it does take a while each time to enable and connect to the network. A built in tool that actually finds networks and automatically connects would be handy.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3This isn't exactly news; it's been on the release schedule for a while.
Anyways, I hope they have fixed some of the quirks in BB (but it will be a while until I get around to actually installing it, heh). I just wish there was an easy way to install a minimalist Ubuntu system so you can install what you want (re: not Gnome or KDE). Or does such a method already exist in the current installer? - deadbaby, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Depends on the chipset. There are indeed some native broadcom driver in Dapper. If it doesn't support your specific card, ndiswrapper probably will. (just download the Windows driver and follow a HOWTO)
- phoenixp3k, on 10/12/2007, -3/+6If it's been submitted again, and dugg again by many people it's only fair that it's presented again. It's the very essence of digg, what's dugg is really important, if it gets dugg every day until the official release date, consider it a sign
- ericmoritz, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3WPA is a lot better in Dapper. If you install NetworkManager, it works great. I got it working to two minutes at work.
- bieber, on 10/12/2007, -3/+6Hmm, how about
"PS3 and/or Vista Released in log(x) months"? - Irimi, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4While I acknowledge that Microsoft has done immeasurable good for society, I also realize that an end to the Microsoft tax is inevitable.
- ericmoritz, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4actually it's a nice rotten orange rind color now :)
- nailbunny, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2shipboard?
i'd hold out hope for bonus hardware support, dapper finally recognised my video chip - wonkavsn, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3It kinda like.. just works when you install it.
It's a "Debian distro.", which means it supports apt, which is a very very useful and easy to use software downloader. Often with Linux, in order to get a certain app to run properly, you need to download a buttload of dependency files. For instance say you wanna download a game you might have to download and install certain prerequisite files. Apt kinda does all the work for you.
Most hardware is supported right "out of the box" (if that term any longer has relevence in the Linux world).
plainly put: If you're a Linux newbie, it's the distro for you. - ibis, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2To run games with XGL just use xgame, I've used it to run doom 3, quake 4, and every day to play ET.
Or if you don't want to use xgame just doing: "xinit /usr/bin/doom3 -- :2" should work. - ibis, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2You can do a server install, which I don't think even installs X, then just use apt to install exactly what you want. I know a few people who do this.
- jacobmp92, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Hate to bum you out, but WPA is not very well supported in Dapper. Thats the only flaw. Otherwise, Dapper is a great OS!
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2For those without high speed internet access (and those who like giving slick CDs with covers away instead of CDRs with their own handwriting), Ubuntu Dapper ships for free:
https://shipit.ubuntu.com/ - IMesh, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Haxx, in some corprate enviroments you just arn't able to upgrade unless you REALLY need to and you are SURE it won't mess up any packages. Where I used to work we where still running a 2.4 kernel.
- nailbunny, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3what sort of tool are you talking about?
after dicking around with lots of laughable gui stuff, i just use
ifdown
iwlist scanning
iwconfig ap
ifup
you could chain all these commands together with &&'s and get it going in one line - dumbkiwi, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2"Consistency of UI" is the biggest ***** argument I've ever heard for not using linux. Try this on XP - open the add font dialog box. It's a windows 3.1 style dialog box, with a file browsing interface which is very different from the standard XP browsing interface. On my XP desktop at work I have several widget toolkits, with all sorts of different UI styles spread amongst several applications. Funnily enough, I can use them all just fine. Conversely, my mac mini has the most "consistent" UI of all the OS's I use, but I actually find it the most difficult to use. Mostly because it's the least flexible. It's consistent, but I find that consistency sacrifices the flexibility to suit my personal workflow.
If inconsistent UI is stopping you using linux, it should also stop you using windows XP. Really, this is the most ridiculous argument ever, and I hear it all the time. -
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