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- skoops, on 10/10/2007, -0/+65trivia: Debian stands for Deb(o)rah & Ian - his girlfriend at that time :)
- Gman1223, on 10/10/2007, -6/+58"Debian will contain the most up-to-date of everything."
lol? - atdigg, on 10/10/2007, -3/+35No "GNU/Linux" ***** at that time if you notice... it was "Debian Linux"
- ChrisAlbon, on 10/10/2007, -0/+28Then girlfriend, now wife.
- mazza558, on 10/10/2007, -0/+18That's awesome! It feels really strange to think that fstab and the Xserver were implemented back then, it's like nothing has changed - it doesn't need to change. I think it's amazing considering how fast-paced technology moves, and these things are still discussed daily in linux support forums. It's like the equivalent of everyone still running 200MHz desktops.
*Awaits being dugg down for knowing nothing about the "old" Linux, only from 2003 onwards* - brstilson, on 10/10/2007, -2/+1617 years, 3 versions
- Noctem, on 10/10/2007, -2/+151993? You mean the year of Linux on the Desktop!?
- tech10171968, on 10/10/2007, -0/+13Depends on which version we're talking about. Debian stable? Yeah, old packages for sure, this is probably what you'd use for a server or workstation. Debian Testing? Not too bad - newer stuff but not totally bleeding edge; best of both worlds, and this is what I use on my own machines at home. Debian Unstable? Proceed at your own risk, definitely NOT for production machines.
- aoyamamotoko, on 10/10/2007, -1/+12Softlanding Linux System. One of the original distributions. Slackware is based on SLS (although I don't think it has much of that in it anymore).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Softlanding_Linux_System - mheath, on 10/10/2007, -2/+13You're telling me that Debian is the Brangelina for geeks?
- schestowitz, on 10/10/2007, -3/+13Ubuntu users should Digg this too. A Debian flavour seems to be flourishing whilst Ian isn't doing too badly at Sun (with an open source agenda). http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/070816/aqth080.html?.v=16
By the way, Ian uses Ubuntu on at least one of his PCs. Likewise, Robbins seems to be happy with Sabayon (Gentoo derivative). - carbonfree314, on 10/10/2007, -1/+1017 years? I don't get it. 14 years for Debian, 16 for Linux itself. Where did the 17 come from?
- mayonaise15, on 10/10/2007, -0/+8Although I have no idea about the validity of those comments from Ian, that does go to show you the beauty of GPL'ed software. Just because one person gives up on a project doesn't mean it is doomed.
- WhereAmI, on 10/10/2007, -0/+8Hey, he's right.
- inactive, on 10/10/2007, -0/+7He use ubuntu on his desktop at least. You can notice it in a blog post of him.
http://ianmurdock.com/?p=419 - ElbridgeGerry, on 10/10/2007, -3/+10What a great 17 years it's been, and to think I've only been part of it for a few months.
- potterboy, on 10/10/2007, -0/+6Why digg him down, he had a point!
- inactive, on 10/10/2007, -1/+7Well atlest this linux dude gets laid more time then his computer reboots.
- tech42er, on 10/10/2007, -0/+6The only reason I'm using Ubuntu now is because it's Debian-based and it's where all the new users are. It's great to go on the forums and help people are are new to Linux.
- BigPapaPorsche, on 10/10/2007, -3/+7Too bad Ian is now a sellout and working for Sun. I recently attended an OpenSolaris users group meeting where Ian was basically bashing Linux, even his own distro debian. The whole time he was speaking he was talking about how linux is flying apart by the seams and that Solaris is the best. When he was asked why he isn't working with the linux community anymore he stated that he created debian because he couldn't afford a Sun computer at the time.
- KibibyteBrain, on 10/10/2007, -1/+5Uh, dude, it is a product. Marketing has no formal rules written in stone by god on how to name operating systems. Linux users like to call the operating system Linux after its kernel. You may have a different opinion on what it should be named, but there is a clear consensus on this issue. You could go around calling cheese "nixtona", but don't expect that to change the practice of others.
- inactive, on 10/10/2007, -1/+5Does Ian Murdock have any thoughts about Ubuntu? Is he involved in development of Ubuntu at all?
- YokoZar, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4Debian unstable is frequently very out of date. For instance the latest Wine release in the official debian servers is regularly about 6 versions or so out of date - this is why I package them myself at winehq.
- Noctem, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4HAHA, that was great. Thanks for the laugh! :)
- digitize, on 10/10/2007, -1/+5Seven (ubuntu, mepis, mint, dsl, knoppix, kubuntu, and dreamlinux) of the top 20 distributions on Distrowatch.com are based on Debian; eight if you consider PCLinuxOS uses apt-get/synaptic. No other distribution has had quite the same influence.
- ssam, on 10/10/2007, -1/+5he is working at SUN these days http://ianmurdock.com/
- GMorgan, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3Murdock told Linux Format magazine that Debian was meant to have forks. It is the entire point of the system. You aren't supposed to all get together in a collective mediocrity, that isn't the point of OSS. You are supposed to be able to take a solid base point then improve the areas you want in a direction that the base project cannot if need be (be it for politics or for technical reasons), then you are supposed to make your changes available if people want to take them back.
Ubuntu has done all of this and the great majority of people who work on the project recognise this. Shuttleworth could not have achieved what he wanted with Debian so he forked it, that is what is meant to happen.
TBH though, Murdock doesn't agree with how the Debian project is run these days. He has said it was never meant to be a democracy because it would inevitably bring politics that would slow the project down. That is exactly what has happened. - ortichi, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3And Deborah needed that new SUV...
- henry95, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3Yeah his move to sun totally goes against what he used to be about. SUN gives him a better paycheck though...
- KibibyteBrain, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2Eh, I'd have to disagree. Maybe as much influence with the general population or on the desktop. But I'd actually have to say that uCLinux/embedded linuxes have the most influence. Its found in tons of little gadgets and stuff now, and in all sorts of industrial equpiment.
- GMorgan, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2Why is working for Sun being a sell out?
He is still working on FOSS FFS.
What's your issue with Sun? Is it that Solaris isn't Linux or that they dared to use a license other than the GPL. - tech42er, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2Some more guides and some more GUI tools would be nice, but they're really not necessary.
- KibibyteBrain, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2Uh Oh! I think NBC is going to have to put the brakes on making Conan the new host of the Tonight Show! This guy obviously is a superior comedian...bah.
- tech42er, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2Working for Sun is better than working for MS. As far as the selling out, people do stupid things, particularly when they first go to something new. Does Solaris do somethings better than Linux? Certainly. People can become overenthusiastic when it comes to things they feel they personally have a stake in. Some new converts to Ubuntu are the ones typing "M$ is for n00bs. You should all use Linux" on MS support forums.
- GMorgan, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2You're waiting on Linux to become a micro kernel? Good luck with that.
Generally an OS would be made out of a kernel, the core-utils and the C library (not the flipping bin-utils as many erroneously suggest, a compiler is not a vital part of an OS but is an optional extra). The Linux kernel is vastly greater in size than the core-utils and Glibc. Not only that but kernel code is vastly more difficult to write than a C library or the core utils, you do not get the benefit of a large number of tools many take for granted when writing kernel code.
Can we end these lies, user land code is much easier (by an entire order of magnitude) to write than kernel code and there just happens to be far less code in the core-utils and C library than there is in the kernel.
The problem is the Gnu propaganda is too effective. People who clearly have never seen a compiler in their life are too easily dragged in by the arguments. - BearinG, on 10/10/2007, -1/+3I hope his next girlfriend's not called Cavork..
- HonoredMule, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2It's the year of Linux on MY workstation. What everyone else uses is their own business.
- DarkJesus, on 10/10/2007, -2/+4What does the sls mentioned stand for?
- mahler, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2>When he was asked why he isn't working with the linux community anymore he stated that he created debian because he couldn't afford a Sun computer at the time.
He brings up a valid point. If you have the ability to spend alot of money on an OS, the chances of getting a better product are much higher. It usually won't be equally efficient, but gets the job done in more situations. I like the fact however, that Linux is like a constant competitor breathing down the neck of commercial companies forcing them to innovate. That's also why I don't like patents, but that's another subject... - raseel, on 10/10/2007, -1/+2I liked it... Nice , simple and to-the-point.
- Stonekeeper, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1A link from Ian's blog listing all the "rad" features of Debian at the time:
http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/2841 - cdmarcus, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Not really relevant to this comment... buried.
- akkibaba, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Hey, a man's gotta feed his family, doesn't he?
- BigPapaPorsche, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Working for Sun does not make him a sellout, the fact that he was publicly bashing something that he dedicated so much of his life to for money does. I do agree that working for Sun is FAR better choice then microsoft ,but going corporate seems to go against the Linux culture or at least what Linux means to me. I am glad that he is working at Sun to promote their new push towards open source with the Indian project but seriously how is that an excuse to flame what you worked so hard to build. Debian is his baby and to stand in front of crowds of people and try to convince then that Debian and Linux in general is not good is just messed up!
- djGentoo, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Dreamlinux isn't Top 10. It's Top 25. Barely.
- MacBrowser, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1including mom's chicken soup v.2.13
- penguincentral, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1This is the word of Debian...
Thanks be to Ian Murdock - FanelliJavion, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Thorough preparation makes its own luck.
- SteveMax, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Well... For some time, the only non-Red Hat based distributions with some userbase were Slackware, Debian and Caldera, so I'd argue that Red Hat's influence in the mid-to-late 90s was quite similar to what Debian experiences now.
- decoherence, on 10/10/2007, -0/+0i think anybody who actually used sls would agree with ohgr
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