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- JeffH, on 10/12/2007, -24/+119Not really.
OMG MICROSOFT USES LINUX!!!
People seem to think Microsoft is retarded. News flash: they aren't. They realize their products have shortcomings, and that other OS' excel in areas their's do not. Because they take advantage of that fact should not be anything newsworthy. That's how a smart business works. - Hellman109, on 10/12/2007, -7/+68Errr Akamai's load balancing servers run on Linux, they do not serve the page at all, mearly pass on the requests depending on the loads and your location and such.
Next you will tell me they run their servers on Cisco because somewhere in the chain is a Cisco box.
Or they run on a mac because I can view them from a mac.
The article is BS pure and simple, the load balacing servers Akamai (A third party supplier to Microsoft) use Linux, The Live servers themselves are Windows 2003 x64.
They even say this, so basically this is a non article... "but it simply means Linux is acting as a firewall between the user and the web server" OH NOES, our main firewall here runs Linux too, but we are not a Linux shop at all.
Akamai is the only company who can do Microsoft level bandwith, they are the best at what they do and its that simple. Good on them for being a Linux shop, But it doesnt make Microsoft a linux shop aswell. - noamsml, on 10/12/2007, -21/+58Considering that Microsoft has been liberally spreading FUD regarding Linux for quite some time (in fact, right up to the Novell announcement), I'd say that the answer is yes.
- cliffzdude, on 10/12/2007, -4/+28Akami can use what ever servers they wish, Microsoft buys their service not their servers.
Really, no BFD. - manicdvln, on 10/12/2007, -5/+27Only one thing came to mind when I read the title of this article.
Who cares? - otomo, on 10/12/2007, -12/+28Not surprised. I work on unix systems daily, guess what? When we need to use windows we do. Would shock me if the windows guys didn't use the right tool for the job.
If you think your os is so great it can do everything, you are right, but other os's can do some things better. Quit putting the os you love on a freaking pedastal. They all suck in some way or another.
/is sick of this os holy war crap - bieber, on 10/12/2007, -2/+16Am I the only one who thinks that was a really, really ***** blog/entry?
- sciencedude, on 10/12/2007, -7/+20Buried as inaccurate. Akami caching on Linux is hardly MS running their servers on Linux.
- SmokedL, on 10/12/2007, -4/+16To those commenting on the MS - Novell deal as if it is a good thing for the OSS community, or as if it represents a positive change in Microsofts outlook, I suggest you read a word or two from the experts on the OSS side of things.
http://technocrat.net/d/2006/11/2/9945
http://www.softwarefreedom.org/news/20061109a.html
http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20061103073628401
Don't be alarmed, but MS has not mellowed, and still want Linux dead. Pigs are not flying as of yet. Hell has not frozen over. - nxusername, on 10/12/2007, -10/+22Not really a surprise, but interesting given Microsoft's anit-Linux marketing blitz.
Akamai uses Linux because it is affordable, reliable, and secure. Sure you could setup a similar service that runs on Windows, but it would cost a whole lot more. - aerogant, on 10/12/2007, -0/+11Yeah, I agree it sounds like just a proxy and cache, not a fire wall. And the article sounds like it was written by a Linux fanboy who got excited to find out that linux was being used at all, and stupidly exclaims how superior Linux is.
I honestly think that everyone sees Microsoft as anti-Linux, I think Microsoft would rather linux remain small, not overlap where windows specializes in. The fact that microsoft doesn't require Akamai to use Microsoft software, shows that it isn't as big a deal to them as people think.
But again the article doesn't say anything about Microsoft being a Linux shop. - ejdmoo, on 10/12/2007, -2/+13Except it's not even acting as a firewall, only a proxy and cache.
Proxies don't provide protection, they just pass things along and cache them. Akamai does not run a firewall service. - MisterEd, on 10/12/2007, -3/+12This news is so old. Ever since the MSBlast worm decided to attack Windows Update Microsoft has taken measures to make sure the site never goes down. The key to this was distributing the site via Akamai.
Since 2003 Microsoft has been using Akamai for Windows Update and other downloads. 3 years later this fool finally notices. - alphanerd, on 10/12/2007, -3/+12This is a pointless post. All he discovered is that the firewall is running a linux based OS. SO friggin what!!! They all do!!!
Pretty much every firewall runs a stripped down version of linux wether it be. JunOs (Netscreens (the ones that china uses for their "great firewalls")) IOS pix firewalls or Checkpoints running IPSO. They are all command line based and all respond similarly to linux commands.
I have never heard of a windows based hardware firewall. Nothing to see here move along. - dimator, on 10/12/2007, -6/+16You spelled 'exclamation' wrong.
- Phil246, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7undoubtedly going to get buried by the group think, but..
FOR THE LOVE OF GOD STOP IT WITH ALL THE GODDAMN LINKS TO YOUR OWN PERSONAL BLOGS.
:/ - Hellman109, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7Microsoft bought Hotmail from two guys who started it.
I would say that they did that when they bought it. - MrObjectional, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6McDonald's employee seen at Outback Steakhouse! Stop the presses!
- SoxFanNH, on 10/12/2007, -4/+10Lame
- hankyone, on 10/12/2007, -3/+8Microsoft is not using Linux, Its called SUBCONTRACTING people! PLEASE stop being stupid! Thanks! And have a nice day.
- addakorn, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6@MrObjectional since when can a McDonalds' employee afford to eat at the Outback?
- alphanerd, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6damn straight
- michaelg, on 10/12/2007, -15/+19JeffH: It is surprising because Linux is the one thing MS hates more than anything else. They aren't retarded, but rather stubborn. Although, I think times are a'changing at MS when you see them partner up with Novell.
- krinthekuz, on 09/16/2008, -2/+7netcraft has some article somewhere explaining why MS checks show weird results (like IIS on linux). one of the explanations is a purposesly modified stack response. there are how-tos for this on the web. the idea is that it makes it a pain in the ass for many attackers. security in obscurity is not a foolproof method, it is effectice at keeping many prying eyes out.
- aiken, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5@aergodant: except it's *not* acting as a firewall. Akamai is a content delivery network, which is essentially a geographically distributed proxy farm. They pass requests on verbatim; if there were some HTTP vulnerability at Microsoft's main servers, Akamai would cheerfully pass a malicious request on.
The original article is somewhere between clueless and simply wrong. The person you're correcting is, well, correct. Your correction to their correction is, again, somewhere between clueless and simply wrong. Please use google or something to make sure you understand the terminology before posting pseudo-informed stuff. - repruhsent, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Wow, you're a ***** idiot.
- mancat, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Microsoft has NEVER touted Windows Server - even Windows Embedded - as an ideal platform for routing, traffic shaping, traffic filtering, etc. So this isn't surprising. I doubt Microsoft would use their product for a purpose that they have really not designed it for.
How many pieces of network equipment that you know of run Windows? - diagonalfish, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5What, do you expect them to say "Linux is great!"? Bashing Linux and other OS's is simply good business practice, since Linux is not theirs to sell.
- DrDabbles, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3How do you explain the Server being reported as IIS6, and the OS being reported at Linux? Well, thumbprinting is a pretty unreliable but popular method of identifying host operating systems. Basically, they check common traits of the TCP stack of the host they are connecting to. All of my firewall devices I have sold give non-linux results. They are typically identified as unknown or BSD when they are clearly running modified & patched Linux kernels. Same can be done on any OS.
- TheNik, on 10/12/2007, -5/+8I don't think you have enough exclamation points in your title or description! ITS AMAZING!!
- fak3r, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Google says:
Did you mean: exclamation - Notluf, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Ok you Windows/Linux fan boys out there, I am gonna blow your mind. I run a shop of 10 Solaris servers and five Redhat servers. In front of them is a Windows 2000 Server running Winroute Firewall (an older version, not the latest.) In front of the Win2K server is a Redhat Linux server running Snort in passive mode that can block attacks as it sees fit.
So there ya go, Microsoft is protecting a Solaris/Linux server farm. Sun and Redhat must love MS since it can protect it.
Grow up. The OS in front of the server farm does not mean squat.
Yes, we could debate for days on my choice of firewall, but what I have works, and you can not attack the firewall directly as the default ruleset prohibits comms with it. You can only talk to the ports I have opened to the backend servers. I could accomplish the same thing with IP filters on each server, but it is easier to maintain on one server with a GUI.
I will concede one point though, the Windows 2000 firewall will not scale very well as it can not handle large volumes of traffic above 50mpbs, but since our tube to the world is only 45mbps then it works out. Though the Win2K server is only a 700MHz machine with 128MB of RAM may play into the scaling part, but I would put my money on a Linux/Solaris server being better at handling that with the hardware limitations. - DrDabbles, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2In other breaking news, they use IOS, CatOS, probably JunOS, and a host of others in networking hardware.
- sciencedude, on 10/12/2007, -4/+6It should be pointed out that MS has run non-MS servers before. Take hotmail. It used to run FreeBSD:
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/interopmigration/case/hotmail/default.mspx - ThinkFr33ly, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Sigh... Microsoft uses Akamai for its DNS load balancing and some of its file downloading. They pretty much have to since they routinely offer up multi-gigabyte files to millions of people simultaneously.
Microsoft uses Akamai because they are an industry leader in these services, and, honestly, they are one of the last choices around. They've bought up everybody else. (Such as Speedera.)
Microsoft really probably doesn't care a whole lot what Akamai uses internally. They care about how much it costs them and the quality of service they receive.
Imagine that. Somebody choosing a technology not for stupid loyalty or zealotry based reasons, but because it's the best choice for the job.
People could learn a lot from that. - Haroldx, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2READ
- Hamsterpotpies, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2To the who ever believes this. IIS6 cant be run under Linux.
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Netblock Owner IP address OS Web Server Last changed
Savvis 3300 Regency Parkway Cary NC US 27511 208.174.52.61 Linux Microsoft-IIS/6.0 25-Aug-2006"
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I state my case. - PhireN, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Read the top of the article!!!!!!!!
- repruhsent, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2When I read this guy calling his blog TrueHacker, and the following quote:
"Searching at Microsoft generates a lot of traffic. Web Servers can easily come under DoS. So to overcome this, Microsoft sought the most efficient go-between users and their servers - Linux!!!"
...I about cried from pain. Also painful was:
"No doubt one of the biggest traffic generators. It is also hidden behind Linux unbreakable walls!"
People like this need to be shot so as to not pollute the gene pool. - jvimal, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Google.com: OS: Unknown?
:-/ - drag, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Yep.
Linux: best choice for the job.
Got that. :-)
You'd think that Microsoft trying to compete with Google and having it's own 'enterprise' operating system and such they'd could find somebody that could of done the job, but using Windows instead.
I guess they couldn't.
It's kinda like Ford using Dodge pickups to deliver their cars to market. Using a competitor's product were you claim yours is just as good doesn't realy look that good, does it? - mike503, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4who cares!!!
their vendor uses specific software!!!!!
if it was owned by microsoft maybe it would be something to laugh about !!!!!
otherwise! it's not!!
what is funny is how netcraft says OS: linux, webserver: IIS
methinks their fingerprinting is detecting the load balancers/firewalls/something, but the ports are being forwarded to webservers behind it...? - Hamsterpotpies, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Hehe, This netcraft says im running a apache server on Win 2k3.
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---------------------------------------------Netblock Owner
Verizon Internet Services Inc. 1880 Campus Commons Dr Reston VA US 20191
IP address OS Web Server Last changed
71.11x.xxx.xxx Windows Server 2003 Apache 13-Nov-2006
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this is not the case. It's running on apache, but, its a windows XP computer not 2003. I see this website as inaccurate and a waste of time. - DoubtfulSalmon, on 10/12/2007, -4/+5Yes actually, I am surprised. It used to be that Microsoft's Hotmail ran on a combination of Solaris and FreeBSD boxen, I wasn't aware that they had switched to Linux.
The only thing that would *really* surprise me would be a change to hosting the sites on Windows! - aerogant, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1"Akami caching on Linux is hardly MS running their servers on Linux.", means that the article is saying that MS is running their servers on Linux (when in fact it's just caching). Which as I pointed out, the article doesn't say that at all!
To clarify, I'm not saying that he is inaccurate about the article being inaccurate, just that his following comment is inaccurate. :) - repruhsent, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2That's exactly what I was thinking!
- iNoles, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1http://toolbar.netcraft.com/site_report?url=http://a00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001.ms.a.microsoft.com
WHAT is this? - sathias, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3At the end of the day, you use the best tool for the job. Treating OS choice as some sort of idealogical religion is a mug's game.
- Protoman, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Microsoft uses linux...this must just kill the fanboys inside :(
They hate microsoft so much and now they find out....
Poor poor fanboys. -
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