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- Mejogid, on 10/11/2007, -2/+49@pcharles23
I would say the fact that they can't afford it makes it pretty much automatically not the smartest choice. I'm sure I'm way to[sic] broke to afford (a) Bugati Veyron... but that would be the smartest choice of car.
Also, your categorization of an entire nation as 'borke' strikes me as arrogant and rude. I'd suggest that the bank's revenue of $660,000,000 is signifficantly larger than your own. Get a clue. - nubtard, on 10/11/2007, -2/+43Some people are so ignorant when it comes to Southern Africa.
- snype, on 10/11/2007, -6/+42Awesome considering it's juxtaposition to the article "Nobody knows Linux" which stated the ignorance to open source in Africa.
Well, I enjoyed the read! Hopefully this will be another small but important brick in the open source initiative.
Side note-- anyone else think it's funny that a South African company didn't choose Ubuntu (South African roots in the name) - Mejogid, on 10/11/2007, -17/+45@Sentone
I'll bite.
"why would they switch? Linux (along with its elitist users) suck balls. South africans must not be too smart if they are switching to this crappy pos OS."
Oh good, I do so love unfounded accusations.
" Jesus, just to install a basic app is a pain in the ass,"
Method a: 'sudo apt-get install **package**' (or non-debian equivelant). Done. Method b: System->Applications->Synaptic->Check Package->Click Apply.
Windows: find website, wait for download, pray it's not infected with spyware, click through install.
"then you have to find the drivers (if they actually work)"
The vast majority of drivers are included. If they're not, it's because companies have released them under an incompatible license. I have to find far more drivers for a typical Windows install than a Linux one.
" ill stick to MS"
If you don't mind being tethered to a single company, choked with DRM, and either having to run performance sapping anti-virus/spyware or risk becoming infected by it.
" or MAC "
It's spelt Mac, MAC's the name of a type of network identifier. And stick to **Macs** if you don't mind being forced to purchase over priced hardware (not bad, but certainly more expensive than a generic counter part), and being forced into a regular upgrade cycle and again being tied to the whims of a single vendor
"and let the uber"
It doesn't seem so much like your letting us as trying to force your opinions on to us.
" 1337 elitist"
Redundancy.
" douches use linux."
If in doubt, I find generic insults work. Here's one for you: moron. - shakajumbo, on 10/11/2007, -6/+34GREETINGS MY DEAR SIR,
I HOPE THIS LETTER FINDS YOU IN GOOD SPIRITS. MY NAME IS DR. IMGUNNA EFFENSCAMU AND I AM DIRECTOR OF LINUX OPERATIONS HERE AT THE SOUTH AFRICAN FNB BANK... - dxgg, on 02/05/2008, -4/+29Why not Ubuntu? It's South Africa! *puzzled*
- robbo312, on 10/11/2007, -2/+24@GawtMilk
I'm a Linux user and I agree with your statement, if you know how to secure Windows you can make it secure, if you know how secure Linux you can secure Linux. Unfortunately alot of Windows applications require Windows to not be as secure as it good be. Most Windows IT people run as an admin / domain admin. The weak point of security is usually in the easy of use of administration of the system. *nix is easier to admin than Windows and keep secure. - dogpigeoncow, on 10/11/2007, -7/+28What you talking about? South Africa only got electricity about 5 years ago. Before these linux PCs we were using the most up-to-date version of Windows 3.1. Fine machines, I myself had the privelage of using one once a few months ago when I had to stop near the bank to feed my elephant and A lion started chasing me until i took refuge in the bank hut. While i waited for the authorities to throw spear the lion, the bank attendant gladly showed me the new colour monitor. Its amazing how this technology is advancing so fast. next thing they will have portable telephones.....*sigh*
- inactive, on 10/11/2007, -13/+33Do you whine about every party you're not invited to?
- shakajumbo, on 10/11/2007, -5/+25PLEASE ALLOW ME TO DEPOSIT $24,000,000 USD WE SAVED CONVERTING TO LINUX IN YOUR ACCOUNT...
- HAKdragon, on 10/11/2007, -2/+17Except for the fact that Nigeria isn't in South Africa...
- Phocion55, on 10/11/2007, -5/+19http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Africa
- inactive, on 10/11/2007, -2/+16you're new here, ain't ya? ;)
- inactive, on 10/11/2007, -2/+16FTA: "Novell was chosen based on the freedom and flexibility it afforded the customer. While much of the overall solution uses standard technology, a fair amount is being customised for FNB's unique needs. Without access to open source code and adherence to open standards, those changes and customisations will not be possible."
It says nothing in the article about price being a factor, and to be perfectly honest with you, many businesses in Africa (especially Southern Africa) are more profitable than you think. - sjbdallas, on 10/11/2007, -11/+24Maybe now all the Nigerian Prince money issues will be resolved and those guys won't keep having to email us for help getting their money.
- Dmitrik, on 10/11/2007, -9/+21Windows security problems have nothing to do with Linux ones... so don't use that as an example.
- archiesteel, on 10/11/2007, -2/+14"Posting Linux stories are like posting blogs about your kid's very first spit-up... sure it's a life altering experience for you, but the rest of us couldn't really give a good god damn."
Apparently, enough people gave a damn for the story to make the front page, and you gave enough of a damn to post a comment in it.
I myself am glad that the story made the front page, as I hadn't heard about it yet, and I like to stay informed about large Linux deployment.
May I suggest that, from now on, you simply don't read these types of stories instead of whining about them? kthxbye - AzDraon, on 10/11/2007, -3/+14SkyNet lost another bank.
- PsychoDeli, on 10/11/2007, -1/+12@SPECOP
FYI...Namibia is a different country....South Africa is one country...Namibia is another.... - naio, on 10/11/2007, -5/+15I don't understand. Weren't you FOSS sluts bashing Novell the other day for their partnership with Microsoft?
Tell me about being coherent. - TheAkolyte, on 10/11/2007, -0/+10@sentone
They probably have specialized banking software made for linux, they're NOT trying to run WoW on linux. - Istari6, on 10/11/2007, -1/+11Quite recently some guys here figured out that if you rub two twigs together really fast, it creates fire. Which makes HEAT! They reckon it's gonna be huge.
- Shadowman, on 10/11/2007, -5/+14Novell's SLED (assuming that's what they will be using) is a great alternative to Windows on the desktop. I'm glad to see it catching on.
- starsky51, on 10/11/2007, -3/+12@thecash
It turns out the ugliest girl at the prom has a pretty secure chastity belt.
To follow on with your anology, the popular girl has been ***** more times than a cheap hooker and is riddled with disease.
There are more than enough LAMP servers in operation to make an effective Linux worm worthwhile. We're still waiting. - Tarnum, on 10/11/2007, -5/+14Good decision.
Most bank workstations run a very simple banking client applications anyway, often in text mode. Practically they _don't need_ Windows. The OS switch will only improve the security, because of the better system lock-down. The staff will not be tempted to install all the **FREE** ScreenSavers (sic) they get by mail, instant messengers or browse the internet instead of working. - hockey, on 10/11/2007, -4/+13What's with all the trolls in this thread?
- inactive, on 10/11/2007, -7/+15@GawtMilk
I am getting sick of these MS employees trolling over digg.
Answer me, If a OS could be hacked by a simply rolling over a malformed mouse cursor image, do you say its secure OS ?
Even if Linux becomes popular as much as windows today I am damn sure that we won't see silly security holes like these.
Why can't MS provide a secure OS even when taking ***** load of money from their customers ? & Waste most of the time with out releasing patches for long known holes ? - Salgat, on 10/11/2007, -13/+21@ sentone
Instead of digging you down, I just blocked you. - Ridge100, on 10/11/2007, -3/+10Oh nice, I wonder what other extraordinary bank charges they are going to impose on South Africans. This is just a way of them cutting costs so that they rake in even more money. The way the banks operate in SA makes me sick. They impose ridiculous charges on simple things such as just having a bank account, and even the rates of withdrawing money are ridiculous.
- estvir, on 10/11/2007, -2/+9You should ask them how they feel about FUD and other things, how fast they spin in circles could generate a decent amount of electricity. ;)
- loboforestal, on 10/11/2007, -4/+11In related news, the Bush administration has announced new sanctions on South Africa. The Cheney commission has accused the ANC government of downloading MP3s and using free software.
- WorldGroove, on 10/11/2007, -1/+7Nevermind. *clicks imaginary delete-comment button*
- SAGuy, on 10/11/2007, -2/+8Spoken by a guy whose #1 story is the "Picture of Amazing Cakes" bit ...
- TheNameless88, on 10/11/2007, -0/+6@outrightlie
If you believe in the marketshare theory, please tell us the wonders of Apache vs. IIS, and the fact Apache has had no significant worms.
Also, if my figures are right:
(sources: http://www.avertlabs.com/research/blog/?p=224 , http://marketshare.hitslink.com/report.aspx?qprid=2 )
.70% of market = Linux = 1652
Real figure: 700 or below, seeing as they clobbered every other Unix platform with them, so I'm giving you actually more ground.
3.95% of market = Mac OS = 9322
Real figure: ~76
So why should Linux have double the malware, and Mac OS over 122 times more? Hmm! Not to mention that all Linux/Unix malware is post-attack. - PsychoDeli, on 10/11/2007, -0/+6Hopefully this will go better than the eNatis rollout....
- tibby.dude, on 10/11/2007, -1/+6Big deal.
SARS (our version of the beloved IRS) runs SAP on Linux since 2004 which was a worldwide case study for such a migration. - heavyal, on 10/11/2007, -0/+5@thecash
Feeding the trolls, but I just can't let this pass ..
"Posting Linux stories are like posting blogs about your kid's very first spit-up... sure it's a life altering experience for you, but the rest of us couldn't really give a good god damn. Appologies for that, but I figure you all are mature enough for the hard truth."
If it's not news to you, then read something else. Some of 'the rest of us' you speak of actually like to hear about how Linux and Open Source are making inroads - even if it is redundant postings. If nothing else, it validates our viewpoint that what we have chosen has merit because regardless of what half wits like you want to believe it keeps coming up in the news.
"Hows bout you all give it a rest for awhile, and throw a posting party when/if any Linux OS ever outsells a major OS from Microsoft or Apple, k? Till then, ponder the age old truth that 'the more you profess your side's superiority, the weaker you ultimately appear to your opponent.'"
Again, if you don't like it, you don't have to be here. And market share of a whole OS is not something that happens overnight. Nor is it something that happens by sitting back and just observing - if people don't talk about it then people WONT talk about it, the news wont be shared and the message wont be heard and nothing would ever change. Open Source by its very nature needs to be discussed until people are blue in the face and until the populace at large knows of it and realizes that their is indeed a choice when it comes to computing. - heavyal, on 10/11/2007, -1/+6@OutrightLie
Obviously you've never administrated any Linux systems. Google Kiosktool or 'linux group policy'. Those are the baby steps to achieving what you mention. Unix and Linux by extension were engineered for multiple users from the beginning. Windows was engineered for single users and then retrofitted much later to be used in a server environment. - loboforestal, on 10/11/2007, -3/+8Prince is from Minnesota, not Nigeria.
- tusseyd, on 10/11/2007, -5/+9WITH SALUTATIONS I GREET YOUR BELOVED HOST:
I AM WRITING TO SIR WITH A MATTER OF TOTAL SECRECY WHICH I WILL RESPECT FOR YOU. I AM IN NEED GREAT OF A LINUX BOX WITH SPARKLING MONEY AND JOY, WITHOUT WHICH I AM MUCH IN YOUR DEBT. RECENTLY THE FNB BANK ASKED OF ME - omgomgomg, on 10/11/2007, -0/+4oh snap!, shuttleworth just got dissed!!
- inactive, on 10/11/2007, -1/+5@itjamesd
"There are no South African roots in the name ubuntu, Ubuntu is a Swahili word in which it means togetherness or Humanity to others. Swahili is mainly spoken in East Africa, not in South Africa where the main language is Afrikaans."
I don't mean to be pedantic, but Afrikaans isn't really the main language in South Africa; English is by far the most dominant language in the government and media. The most common language spoken at home in South Africa is Zulu with 24%, followed by Xhosa and Afrikaans with 18% and 13% respectively.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Languages_of_South_Africa - BlackAdderIII, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3"""elitist...."""
This is your way of saying you're a clot and trying to turn that into a criticism of the rest of us. Not playing, deal with your own problems.
""" I didn't learn how to use synaptic, etc.."""
This bank probably doesn't have to devote a single buck to babying its users, and probably won't allow people to install stuff anyway, so that sort of stuff probably isn't a concern. - Istari6, on 10/11/2007, -1/+4@Ridge
While i agree with you that we're being raped by banks here when it comes to charges, this particular article has absolutely nothing to do with that. I'm glad FNB are taking this step. Open source is growing apace here in South Africa and and it's nice to see linux on more desktops. Now if only the public service could contemplate a similar move. - st0nes, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3@itjamest
Ubuntu is not Swahili, it is isiXhosa. Afrikaans is not the main language of South Africa (spoken by about 15% of the population), the main languages are isiZulu and isiXhosa. - GMorgan, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3Nah I likely own many times more computers that yourself including an UltraSPARC which is several times more expensive and powerful than a Mac. I consider Macs to be expensive. The Ultra delivers value for money since you just can't get that performance from anything in either the x86 and PPC lines. Macs are just overpriced PCs who's performance can be matched for much cheaper.
- daftman, on 10/11/2007, -1/+4my purpose on digg is to read interesting and thoughtful comments. Oh and also block annoying little ***** like you.
- kilps, on 10/11/2007, -4/+7Ubuntu is 'from' South Africa - but is run from London ... Mark Shuttleworth has lot's of ties here but lives in the UK ... Ubuntu doesn't get _that_ much coverage here so I guess they just went with what did the job the best
- hanu4u, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3wow that is a great news for a open source lovers like me!
- discourse, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2great for south africa. it's a pity their internet costs are still 5 times higher than anywhere else in the world thereby creating a huge internet lost generation.
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