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- Tsiolkovsky, on 10/12/2007, -2/+23Fedora Project is there.
- nofxjunkee, on 10/12/2007, -5/+20Maybe the hype is, so what? That doesn't make Linux kick any less ass than it really does and anyone who relies on it is still going to use it.
- jrepin, on 10/12/2007, -9/+22A typical thinking of a teenager who can always get the money from his parents. When you start working hard to earn your money you soon start to think different.
- r00tus3r, on 10/12/2007, -5/+16Guys guys guys, running linux is not exactly astro-physics these days. I'm tired of people that tried ONE linux distro years ago acting like they know all there is to now about Linux. Newsflash, things have changed, now stop harping on the same point without at least bringing evidence to back up your statement.
- n0xie, on 10/12/2007, -6/+16And what exactly can you do on Windows which you can't do on Linux?
- psilanthropist, on 10/12/2007, -2/+11they probably got scared of Shuttleworth.
- oshu, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8Exactly.
It is clear that a lot of people do not realize just how "backed by Red Hat" the Fedora Project is. Without Red Hat, there is no Fedora. Red Hat funds and manages the development and direction of Fedora.
It makes sense to me that Fedora was there. I have it on good authority that Fedora Core 6 will be very close to the up coming Red Hat Enterprise Linux 5. By getting a copy of FC6 you can play with and test now, before RHEL5 is out.
Still, it would have been nice to see a Red Hat booth there. - HoldenC, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8While everyone's opinions on OS's are always fascinating, it seems like we are losing sight of the core of this story, which is very interesting and mysterious. Why would Red Hat possibly not have a presence at LinuxWorld? I am guessing that it is some kind of an issue with the venue or a cost-benefit problem, like the recent announcement that many of the large game companies found E3 to be unproductive and overly expensive. Anyone insiders with the real scoop?
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -4/+11Maybe they forgot, and turned up a week late?
"Guys? Guys? Anyone here? Looks like we won the enterprise battle then!" - Novagenesis, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8Why the hell is Digg filled with people who say:
"Linux sucks because of (these reasons that are rehashed and generally false) so here come the fanbois to disagree!"
You know what, breathing sucks because lung capacity is under a square inch, it doesn't keep me happy, and I can get by just fine without it... Stupid, right?
Linux, meet windows. Windows meet linux. Windows and linux, meet mac (and please don't make fun of him, he's special). Now if you don't all get along I'll make you -all- sit in corners - AxiomShell, on 10/12/2007, -4/+10Not true.
Perhaps it was so 5 years ago, but not now.
As an example: Audio apps. Some years ago it was rather bleak at Linuxland, but now you can see interesting things popping up like mushrooms.
I guess it all comes down to user base. As more people use Linux for non-programming, non-sysadmin companies will try not to loose customers (and most apps and games worth using are releasing for all the major OSes including Linux.). And there's always the self-sufficient, DIY OSS community.
Of course some badly needed dinosaurs are still missed (Adobe, move your ass...) - brufleth, on 10/12/2007, -13/+19If you work hard for your money then you start to realize how much your free time is worth. Some people really enjoy spending hours configuring things and searching message boards online for people with similar problems. That's fine. However, my time is worth enough that Windows makes a lot more sense. It was actually when I WAS a teenager that I had the free time to blow tinkering with Linux as a desktop OS.
- shrewduser, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6why no love for *nix tender? (check out his post history)
- paulmdx, on 10/12/2007, -4/+8If you're part of the Linux development community, before digging down mlkmnz, try really trying to understand his problems. If you can change his opinion, you've just beaten Microsoft in the home market.
- member57, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6What can you do on Linux. Run a SECURE web server, not be crippled by DRM, actually understand how your computer works, and maybe why it doesn't work. Not be bothered by viruses, not worry exactly what you computer is actually telling M$. Have a powerful OS that is controlled by YOU, not what some corporate giants wants you to see. Reuse old hardware for other purposes, servers, backup servers, firewalls, routers, etc... The ability to spend dollars elswhere on your IT infrastructure besides server OS and licenses.
- ryanlive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5Linux != Red Hat
- blueZhift, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4I think you're on to something. Either there was a cost issue which would tend to say that Red Hat is in dire straits to be unable to afford the highest profile Linux show. Or, there is some sort of internal reevaluation taking place with respect to Red Hat's place and image in the Linux world.
- gnomeuser, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3My personal thoughts are that Red Hat currently being heavily involved with development on the OLPC OS and Fedora Core 6 had the representation they needed at LinuxExpo. Namely new technology, their next RHEL release isn't coming out for another while so what would the point be for them to have a huge stand for RHEL which people generally wouldn't care about - LinuxExpo is mostly for the community not the audience for RHEL, them funding a Fedora stand would make much more sense, I'm guessing we'll see them do that more and more in the future.
I've never much liked my community events being swarmed by suits anyways, I'd much rather talk to the Red Hat engineers in a Fedora setting about technology than talk to the marketing people about Linux in a RHEL setting. - mlkmnz, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Teehee. Thats the most I've ever been dugg down before. Ever notice how the fanatics are anything but Windows people.
I'm just totally over the whole "im going to use Linux to stick it to the man" thing. I'm not a Windows fan, or a Linux fan, or a MAC OS fan, theyre all just operating systems for christs sake, its the application within that makes the difference, and unfortunately the only choice for my personally is Windows, as I know everything I want to do can be catered for, and catered for well. - meltingrobot, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Umm, RedHat Summit wasn't that long ago. Why do they need to attend every conference that exists?
- shea241, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3I have been 'watching' linux distributions since 1997 or so, which is not terribly long in the life of these distributions, but long enough. I never considered linux to be a suitable desktop/workstation replacement for Windows until just recently. About 10 months ago I installed Ubuntu on a spare 9GB disk and began trying (actually trying) to use it for all of the work I do at home -- and I do a lot of very diverse work at home. I can say without doubt that Ubuntu, in particular, is almost exactly where I need a desktop OS to be. It is actually much easier to use than Windows. And not by a small margin. I do much more work, much more easily. This includes both programming and artistic work. In fact, there are a lot of things which I can do in Ubuntu (and many other distros for that matter) which I *can't* easily do in Windows. Unfortunately, OpenOffice isn't nearly as advanced as MS Office is.
After not booting into Windows for about 8 months, I finally blew away my 120 gig Windows partition last week, and formatted it for XFS. After being a Windows user since Windows 3.1, I now have nothing with the Windows logo on it anywhere in my house. That's nothing to be particularly proud of, just something worthy of note :-) - gmerin, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3maybe LinuxWorld simply does not represent RedHat's target market, whereas it does represent Fedora's and with a limited show budget, there are more appropriate (in terms of bang for the buck) venues to reach the corporate customers? I wouldn't expect IBM to be showing ACF2, RACF, or CICS (product names from the past?) at the CES show, but I might expect IBM to show their consumer oriented products.
RH ES/AS is their corporate oriented product, whereas Fedora is their community and consumer related product: RD ES/AS is probably less appropriate at a primarily community-attended show. - shea241, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Whoops, I meant to reply to the buried comment below this one. Smooth!
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -9/+11"And what exactly can you do on Windows which you can't do on Linux?"
1) Run Windows apps that utilise MIDI In/Out
2) Run Adobe Photoshop CS2
3) Work with realtime audio without jumping through hoops
4) Play (most) Windows games
That's a start for you. - myrm, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Did anyone else get really angry at all the "My OS is better than yours", "Not it's not you can't...", "Sure you can, but you cant..." threads and in a fit of rage digg them all down. Or was that just me?
Stop the winges, the article has nothing to do with the virtues of one OS over another, there are more than enough of those elsewhere on digg for you to play in. Please. - ungamedplayer, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Or,
We said it at the summit last month. - mattd, on 10/12/2007, -0/+23D GUI = bloatware
xend = not ready for primetime
As ungamedplayer said, Red Hat just held its Summit last month. - BitwiseMcgee, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Reading a few of these comments, I'm really getting tired of watching people have to defend linux as if its the bastard child of the OS world (well, maybe it is)
Just ignore the haters, if they don't see the benefits, I'm not losing any sleep over it (besides, linux doesn't need more people asking why they can't boot off of their SATA drives) - Novagenesis, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4Yeah... everyone wants to use windows software, even when there's a better alternative...
- perimere, on 10/12/2007, -4/+5It depends on what you're trying to do. The old: Different horses for different courses.
At work, like most I use Windows, and it does what I need it to do. At home I run both depending on what I'm doing - I still have a P166 running DNS, and Mail on Debian ;) I have to say adding an removing applications in Ubuntu is really as simple as it get's!
But I recently found that I'm doing a lot of graphics and web site work, and all of a sudden Linux has been really handy. The tools are commercial grade for this (Screem, GIMP) and they came at a zero cost. - hutchike, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2This is a chance for Novell to really push SUSE Linux Enterprise 10 against Red Hat - and the Red Hat no-show can only help them. SUSE Enterprise sports a cool new 3D GUI, and Xen - something Red Hat isn't ready to sell yet. To me, Red Hat's absence says "we've got nothing new to say".
- Novagenesis, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Ignoring the speculation that a secure, powerful OS that tends to crash less is -overhyped-, it just sounds to me like Redhat got too big for its own britches.
It's gonna hurt if they're making a point of ignoring the Linux community - joesnow, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2ovbiously there are 3 kinds of people
Windows people
Unix people
MacOS people
(and yes i know the whole "MacOS is *based* on blah blah")
If you pick one of them, and you don't like it, STFU and go back to whichever you like, you can run anything under linux, the question is only "how", if that "how" is too much for you then return to your Windows world and leave it to the *more* technically inclined people. - Shadowman, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Novell better "push" while it can. Red Hat will have a lot to say when Enterprise Linux 5 is released.
- catoutfit, on 10/12/2007, -5/+6@mlkmnz
hahahahahahahahahahahahaha. I can picture EXACTLY the type of person you are. Those kinda WANNABE nerds who have their computer specs as their screen name on msn and only use their computer to play Counter Strike (not that theres anything wrong with CS). Who's defintion of 'hacking' is installing a Johnny Bravo character skin on Quake III - mennis, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1I talked to a few RedHat customers who expressed concern about this for various reasons. The primary concern was that they viewed LinuxWorld as a chance to get some face time with their vendors.
- Wyzard, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2"Be able to hear sound on said videos while having another audio application open."
That's actually a hardware issue, and has nothing to do with the OS. Many sound cards can only play PCM audio from one source at a time; some, such as the SoundBlaster Live! and Audigy family, can mix multiple sound sources in hardware.
Linux can do software mixing for sound cards that don't have hardware mixing; it's called dmix. - UnderLoK, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Redhat not showing up would be like Ford not showing up to the autoshow. I venture to guess that someone from the show pissed them off and they threw a hissy fit and decided not to show up.
Either way, I still love RHE and have been a supporter of RH since 5.1… - aside, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3well, i am a big fan of linux, and i've installed about every version of mandrake (mandriva), fedora, opensuse, ubuntu, and a smathering of others. i test them out, try to make it my main OS (and dual boot between windows), but for me it all comes down to the games and the audio apps. Cedega is too inconsistent, and Cubase (With all the VST instruments) is too important to me. It's for these seemingly small things that I always eventually make windows my default again. The only reason I'm running OpenSUSE 10.1 right now is for xgl, and that is getting old fast already. Just PORT CUBASE AND VSTs!
Port port port - neurokaotix, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1"Linux can do software mixing for sound cards that don't have hardware mixing; it's called dmix."
This is what I dislike about Linux (probably *nix as a whole actually): "dmix."
That name doesn't mean *****; not to me, and not to your average user. The operating system is jam-packed with indescriptive names. From my understanding, this "style" came from the days when people were typing on teletypes... or... something. No sources to cite, just old memories. - liquidedge, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Probably because RedHat is interested in doing actualy business, which is never done at these types of shows anymore.
- member57, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1LOL, great comment... I happen to be a bastard child, so Linux and I have a kinship.
- horsman, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1UnderLok.. friggen hell man I havent seen you in ages. Fissure from NATO.
- sshguy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I would imagine Red Hat wasn't generating revenue from Linux World. If your business is at Linux World, you run Linux, either Red Hat or SuSE probably (in the enterprise). Are you going to change because of a few booth goodies? No. So what's the point? LinuxWorld is more for people to show off their new toys and show how their product is available and can manage linux better than blah blah blah.
So, Red Hat doesn't attend. It really doesn't matter if all the layered products support Red Hat and you are still running it. - padvani, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Cause they said that the Xen Kernel was not enterprise ready :)
- QualZe, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2Anyone here who can tell me where to find a Free Linux Distro, with ACL Support. In which I can right click on a folder and set ACL's and also share folders?
That's where the problem lies today. Integration. You can do all these things but not from a single point. ACL got one admin interface, Samba's got another or 7 ways to setup.
Make it simple. The leading distros should get together and make an integrated admin interface that are the same on the different distros.
You can say all you want about M$ but they've got integration down. - sshguy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Yeah, it's just people who want Hats and free stuff.
- sshguy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Do you see Xen in the upstream kernel yet?
- member57, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1I use webmin, works great, much better than Winblows click here, wait for another program to spawn, click there, wait again, etc. I can configure virtually any program, server, or security setting I want, securely. It's fast and reliable also. Webmin also supports any *nix version out there today. So there is your "integration", what's your excuse now?
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -3/+2Linux is a kernel. GNU/Linux is the operating system you people are referring to.
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