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- CLucas916, on 10/12/2007, -7/+74http://www.duggmirror.com/linux_unix/React_OS_Windows_done_right/
- BitSlash, on 10/12/2007, -1/+48Windows emulator? I think you're mistaken... ReactOS is a clean room reverse engineered implementation of Windows.
- atdigg, on 10/12/2007, -2/+42It's not Linux. it's a reimplementation of Windows.
- strom, on 10/12/2007, -10/+49"If I want a Windows emulator, I'll just stick with Windows."
Because Windows is such an awesome an emulator of itself. - trashlikeyou, on 10/12/2007, -3/+42I watched a Video of this at OSVids, the UI is really unpolished (a little more so than Win 2k) and it seemed pretty buggy.
I have to give this project some credit though, from what I understand it's pretty much one guy doing all this in his free time. - Mejogid, on 10/12/2007, -1/+38scratched - I'm not sure where you heard that, but when I downloaded a VMWare image, firefox ran fine.
- mikeoh, on 10/12/2007, -0/+35Yea networking was the big feature in version 0.3. Before that it didnt have any networking. However its still too buggy and with missing features to be a true alternative.
Hopefully with it becoming more stable, and more compadable the React OS project can attract a larger developer community and become a viable alternative. - TheBlackLeopard, on 10/12/2007, -5/+40Looking at the screenshots turned you into a chocolate bar? With peanuts?
- rinkjustice, on 10/12/2007, -0/+33Unless React OS has progressed dramatically in the past few months since I've installed it, it's all but unworkable. Screenshots mean nothing to me anymore.
But despite being a disappointed tester, I'm rooting for the project bigtime. - idonthack, on 10/12/2007, -0/+27@Langford
The ReactOS team actually works with the WINE guys, IIRC. - Lexus30, on 10/12/2007, -1/+26Eragmus are you freakin serious, a waste of time? Its their hobby... if Bill Gates didnt have a hobby you wouldnt have your operating system.
- kapstaad, on 10/12/2007, -2/+27@DS513: "hard-core computer power user" isn't a title you can claim just because you play games. Go take a look around JPL or MIT if you wanna see some real power users. And Linux isnt *incapable* of playing games; far from it. Games developed for Linux should outperform Windows versions by a wide margin. However, game developers follow the money trail, which leads to the widest-use desktop OS: Windows. Windows isnt popular because it is 'powerful'; it is popular because it is easy enough for average consumers to use. It would probably surprise you to know that in many of the big game shops, much development work and almost all network infrastructure is built using *nix machines.
- irieKEN, on 10/12/2007, -0/+24Take into consideration that a lot of what has been learned in the course of making ReactOS has been applied directly to the WINE project. The developers of ReactOS are not mimicking an OS in vain; they are building a compatible OS to further the efforts of the open source community.
edit: idonthack beat me to a point:) - rolf, on 10/12/2007, -2/+25From the wiki:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ReactOS
It actually appears to be team of developers.
The wiki also says it can run a lot of programs, like the Registry Editor. I have to ask whether they are just emulating the registry or really have one - as this seems to be one of the bigger source of headaches in Windows. - Mejogid, on 10/12/2007, -1/+24I don't think it's really at an 'every day OS' stage yet (although the icons are much nicer than 2000 ;p Tango FTW). It's a work in progress that could eventually, at the very least, force Microsoft to commodities the Windows OS (ie. make it free and make money from Office/subscription services). It's also great for a light weight VM OS, or (since it's open source) it provides the most complete documentation of the Windows APIs available.
- libervisco, on 10/12/2007, -0/+20I am deeply sorry for the server crash again. It seems I just keep underestimating digg.com and traffic it can bring. Please use this link instead until our server can be fixed back up: http://www.duggmirror.com/linux_unix/React_OS_Windows_done_right/
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Nuxified.org - ArchonMagnus, on 10/12/2007, -3/+20Many Windows apps run natively on ReactOS. They have screenshots of Windows native and GNU apps running on React at:
http://www.reactos.org/xhtml/en/screenshots.html
Look at the ReactOS tour page for installation and applications in use:
http://www.reactos.org/xhtml/en/tour.html - drzeus, on 10/12/2007, -1/+18I shouldn't feed the troll. Oh well...
If a free software product becomes successful, that's not a bad thing. It just means that the companies that want to sell similar products need to increase their product's quality. If the free version is only "good enough", that means that a new exciting feature could sway people to back to a commercial product. That sounds like healthy competition to me. On the other hand, if the free version is lightyears ahead of commercial versions, then I guess you can just keep whining while the rest of us enjoy totally awesome software. The idea of sharing knowledge and donating some of your free time to better the world aren't all bad, you know. - Ademan, on 10/12/2007, -1/+17Uh, its a very new project, project's don't just spring into life as full products... they PROGRESS
- Langford, on 10/12/2007, -0/+14I tried it. It's not quite stable, and not much ran correctly, but it sure was fast. Probably good for an old system. I bet it could be tricked into doing what Wine can be tricked into doing, if someone made the right tool for it.
- Mejogid, on 10/12/2007, -4/+18Ergamus - I think your missing something in the spirit of open source - people do it for the satisfaction and appreciation. Besides, this sort of project is a great thing to put on your CV.
Rolf - the registry is no longer much of a problem in XP, the exception being with badly written programmes. Having it stored in a binary format like windows increases performance (at the cost of human readability), and emulating the registry would have the same problems as using a real one. - smohan123, on 10/12/2007, -1/+15Awesome idea. I wonder his increased popularity due to the ensuing digg traffic will prompt him to spend more time on it and make it a viable solution?
Cool concept. - coheedcollapse, on 10/12/2007, -8/+20It's only madness if you don't know what you're doing with your computer, otherwise, Windows doesn't bother me....at all.
- bljdude, on 10/12/2007, -2/+14Guess So
http://www.duggmirror.com/linux_unix/React_OS_Windows_done_right/ - pufuwozu, on 10/12/2007, -0/+12Free software creates many more jobs than what it makes obsolete.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -5/+16You could also flush lots of cash down the toilet. That's doing the same thing.
Wait- are toilets upgradeable? The toilet may have a slight edge if so. - Arramol, on 10/12/2007, -0/+10Note that the version number is 0.3.0. Not exactly final release software here.
- nazsco, on 10/12/2007, -6/+16* goes back to playing World of Warcraft, Ragnarok Online, Planeshift and Warcraft 3 on his archlinux computer.
... with his tainted kernel, unstable system, and probably some weeks wasted tweaking things in the emulated enviroment. - Robotsu, on 10/12/2007, -1/+11Eragmus said, "Ok fine. I guess. Still though, what a tremendous waste of time! He could be perfecting something, or doing something a little worthwhile."
I don't know, maybe it's just me, but I don't really see making a clone of the World's most popular operating system, the juggernaut application that like 90% of computers worldwide run on, is such a terrible waste. In fact, in my own opinion, it's further developement could be the start of something pretty amazing that has the potential to suceed where Unix-based operating systems have in the past failed. - Ikioi, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10Link to video: http://svn.reactos.org/videos/ros_030_gui.html
Runs Unreal Tournament, which I found more impressive than anything else (though you can Wine this, just impressive running as all native code). I'm 100% for this project, not because I want to run it (though I might QEMU it instead of remote desktopping to get a Windows screen), but because of what it means for Wine.
If you can emulate the entire OS, you can emulate any program. If ReactOS actually surpasses Windows at any point, then on that day, Wine will have enough code to fully emulate the entire Windows software library (all the way back to Windows 95, with legacy support always downloadable, unlike with Windows upgrades) without any extra configuration.
Being able to slap on ReactOS for people who don't even want to think they're not running Windows is just a great bonus. And remember, this isn't emulation, but native code, so there should actually be speed increases in code execution (which can be rebuilt at will to cut out the bulky unused parts that Windows just slaps on everyone's boxen). - ff3j, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10For anyone who's interested in using the tango icon set (used in ReactOS) in Windows, check out this link: http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/27940418/
Looks alot better than the default XP icons imho...and I can pretend I'm not running Windows (until it crashes) - Darkhacker, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10There are actually about 15 regular developers and a few people who patch bugs and do testing on the side.
- NOFXY, on 10/12/2007, -6/+15Why do people digg down for his question? It's a question that im sure other people had or will have. You should be digging him up so others can see and not repeat it again, right? Am i making any sense? I'll probably get dugg down for asking so many questions.
- martinknas, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9oriondr,NOFXY:
Perhaps they digg him down because the very beginning of the article answers his questions. I think people should at least read a few sentences of the article before starting to ask questions regarding it. - phatvolvo, on 10/12/2007, -2/+10good, because mine's getting a little buggy...
- benplaut, on 10/12/2007, -4/+11For price, and for idealism.
That is all. - oriondr, on 10/12/2007, -7/+14Why is this guy being buried, he asked a perfectly innocent question for someone who hasn't visited the website (for all you know he couldn't access it because of the slashdot-effect.. lol I just got buried too.).
- straxus, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9*15 years ago* - Why do I need some half-assed unix clone when I can just use unix? If I don't want to use unix, then I certainly don't want to use linux.
- morphie, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7You are right, but his point is, is that Windows isn't the gaming-platorm. DirectX is. :)
- ISIfunded911, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5You tried to be sarcastic, but you were merely boring and heavy. Like most people who try to be funny. In order to be funny you have to surprise the minds reading you. Bashing the French is sooooooo unoriginal. Are you a masochistic French?
Many people who try to use kqemu fail to verify it is activated. Did you open a console inside qemu? ctrl-alt-2 , then type "info kqemu"; if the answer is "kqemu is enabled" be happy with the speed of qemu! ctrl-alt-1 to exit the console. - Ratteler, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5ReactOS doesn't have anything to do with Windows licences. But it may make that Crossover app more stable at some point since it's an OS X implemtation of WINE, and RoS shares code with Wine.
- wthnow, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6just need to find a way to get directx to run near native speed on other operating systems
- geminitojanus, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Clean-room reimplementations of both hardware and software are engineering necessities for compatibility. That being said, this is just that on a very, very large scale. As for patents (as copyright DOESN'T apply to UI, but might apply to UI elements, which ReactOS has replaced with its own UI elements), if Microsoft was to be so bold to sue, it's likely that what would end up happening is they would have to pay a lot of lawyers a lot of money to prosecute a huge case that they couldn't possibly win, with prior art being locatable and presentable for pretty much anything GUI related that has ever come out of Microsoft. Furthermore, ReactOS is conducting a code audit to insure its code is clean, and Microsoft's previous anti-trust conviction puts the stop-blocks on Microsoft suing anyone for reimplementing their APIs (which technically is LEGAL anyways).
(On a related, side note: Microsoft is the company currently trying to patent "Method of selecting and conjugating a verb". Tell me that one doesn't have prior art.) - msgyrd, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4"As a hard-core computer power user, I can honestly tell you that the MAIN reason that keeps me from switching to Linux is the fact that Linux cannot handle 99% of commercial computer games out there."
I just had to laugh. Gamers tend to be the least "hard-core" users out there. Visit a large college's physics department and look for the cluster of 75 machines running 24/7 just crunching numbers. That's hardcore, and they're almost always done using linux.
I have a friend with a legitimate excuse for not switching. DirectX support...but...it's for AutoCAD and Solidworks. We just can't get the latest versions working in linux, and as an mechanical engineering grad student, he can't really go without or use an inferior version. Games are not the primary focus of most of these projects, it's support for legacy applications, proprietary applications that won't get ever get ported, and for philisophical reasons. - rockintom99, on 10/12/2007, -3/+7There's only two kind of people I hate in this world: People who can't detect sarcasm, and the Dutch.
- Handcannons, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5You must work in government if you consider reactos a very new project. Direct from their website "ReactOS has been developed since 1996, the ReactOS Developers proudly present ReactOS 0.3.0 and at the same time celebrate the 10 year anniversary of the project."
- republicoftexas, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5So when do they think they will have a stable version out? I have been rooting and waiting for this for at least a year. Thanks guys for working on this project!
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Just to throw my hat in, I did install it on one partition on a huge hard drive and played with it. It is still a beta and feels like one, but it shows some progress. I got some of my old Windows-platform stuff to run on it.
The remarkable thing is that this project isn't swamped in support. We had Linux and BSD for the free Unix years ago, we just had Open Solaris for the free Solaris, MacIntosh briefly had it's open Darwin project and who's to say it wouldn't be picked up again. And Windows users; this will be your free Windows. Not hacking and patching and emulating Linux to try to make it taste like Windows, but really getting a system that was intended to be free Windows out of the box.
There has to be demand for it. All I hear from the Windows users is the high cost of Windows, with Vista making more people than ever complain. There has to be some avid Windows programmers out there dying to flex their muscles having a go at rebuilding Windows right. When the Windows platform joins the rest of us in liberating themselves, then it will no longer be platform vs platform, but all of us united as Free Software. Who could stop us then?
I would think that idea would catch on. Believe it or not, when we Linux geeks act funny to you Windows users, it's not because we're trying to force our way of doing things on you or are being elitist because you don't learn the Unix way; it is because we sincerely want you to have what you want. And you can't make Linux into Windows. Linux is doing an excellent job of being Linux. What you want is your free Windows. When are you going to bring your own house to our free software neighborhood? - Ratteler, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6No one is going to use Vista. It's got too much DRM and Spyware built in.
- martinknas, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4ylikone:
Then we digg you down becuase you are to lazy to use your own favorite search engine. -
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