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- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+32...did you soil yourself?
- deadbaby, on 10/12/2007, -2/+30This is probably the main reason I want a PS3 instead of a 360. I'm not a bigtime gamer so having the ability to run Linux when I'm not playing games is really huge. This would totally replace my HTPC.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+22so are you saying sony doesn't want Linux on the PS3? then why would they go through all the trouble of putting options to install another OS.
- saggygrandma, on 10/12/2007, -2/+21Yeah you could imagine people building a ps3 linux version of MythTV, that would be awesome to run that on the ps3!
- ahawks, on 10/12/2007, -0/+16kev there said it first, but I would like to add some weight to it.
I am a former TSS employee, and I can verify that Sony had plans to support Linux on the PS3 a long time ago. TSS won the deal because of their longterm experience with the POWER architecture, which the CELL is.
Consider this: The CELL is being used for much more than the PS3. Sony and TSS are building a cluster based on the CELL processor. Of course it will run Linux.
That said, it's engineered in a way where Linux doesn't run on the actual hardware, it runs on more of a virtual machine on top of the hardware, thus locking out pirated games and stuff. - masamunecyrus, on 10/12/2007, -10/+25I'm still in denial that they actually went through with Linux for the PS3. I mean, they ARE aware that that instantly means that people will eventually be able to mount images of Blu-ray discs and play pirated PS3 games, right? There's no amount of security that you can put in a console to get around a dedicated fan base. Either it's another example Sony's recent bouts of stupidity (albeit, a bout of stupidity that is VERY good for the consumer), or they plan on taking the console wars covertly by being the official home of the entire emulation scene.
- saggygrandma, on 10/12/2007, -1/+14Nah its just the same story as with linux support for the PS2, that never harmed them so they don't mind doing it again with the ps3..
- Dominatus, on 10/12/2007, -0/+12When did a 3.2 ghz G5 become cheap?
A comparable graphics card, cpu, case, psu, ram, hdd, motherboard and optical drive (pretend its not even blu-ray right now) would be far far more expensive than 500 dollars. Unless you're got some magic Im not aware of? - Paramour, on 10/12/2007, -7/+18And the movement begins.......
- HappyScrappy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+10Very nice.
I'm surprised. This is very good news. I had figured PS3 Linux would be as crippled as PS2 Linux, but it is showing itself to be a lot less so.
Sony seems to be providing a good environment for Linux on the PS3.
If this holds up, perhaps I don't need my Mac Mini anymore (which has turned out to be only a mediocre media PC). - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+10Can't use any of the SPEs? Are you sure about that? LOL.
http://kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/people/arnd/libspe/
You get full access to 6 SPEs. One is reserved for the GameOS. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+11Read the documentation! Everyone posting here should, including the original poster. There is a layer which Linux "talks" through. It's called Hypervisor. That is how they "cripple" direct hardware access to certain components.
Linux is not running directly on the metal.
This is not a problem for those who have no interest in ripping off software. We will have to see what type of performance loss is involved. I'm hoping it will provide fast enough access for home-brew games to run comparably to licensed software.
Very nice move by Sony though, anyway you spin it... - riceweb, on 10/12/2007, -0/+10Well, I think that the real potential here for the open source community is not to hack PS3 games (which will likely prove difficult), but instead to play GameCube, Xbox, N64 games et al via emulation. This hackz0rz market really made the original Xbox a winner late in its run, and I think it foolish that Microsoft sought to drive the OSS community into the ground with the Xbox 360.
When you combine the emulation possibilities with music and video streaming options from your PC, the PS3 could easily shape up to be a great home entertainment system.
I've still got my reservations, but I look forward to watching the OSS community build (albeit slowly) around the PS3. - nreynolds, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10they will definitely be more than 8 gigs soon. Insomniac has already admitted that Resistance is over 20 gigs WITH compression. So you're uhh.... completely wrong.
the devs are dumb asses, they just have more freedom and don't have to spend time figuring out ways to save space. - stmiller, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9http://www.terrasoftsolutions.com/
"Terra Soft continues to lead the industry, with the world's first and only commercial Linux distribution for the Cell processor, first for the Mercury Cell Blade and now PLAYSTATION®3." - malkir, on 10/12/2007, -0/+91. Pirated games have been possible on every single console platform in existence. It just depended upon how much effort people were willing to go to.
2. Just because you'll be able to rip a blueray disc onto a hard drive does not mean you're going to be able to play the game inside Linux. The "switch" to the PS3's game OS is probably just a button that reboots automatically into it. In other words, I seriously doubt you'll be able to have both OS's up at the same time.
I'm not saying pirating PS3 games will be impossible. I am saying that most likely this is not how it will work. - hcl40u, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9Kutaragi himself said the PS3 is not a console. Better to think of it as a gaming PC/MythBox + Linux.
- Axim, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9durr obviously it wouldnt be running the pvr app alongside the actual games, just when you boot into your custom linux distro
- superkendall, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8Furthermore you can buy the $500 PS3, and add whatever size 2.5" laptop SATA drive you like. You don't have to spend $500.
Not to mention that with the 360 you have to pay for Live and Sony is offering online match play for free. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -5/+13You guys have no clue what you're talking about... anyway, it matters not.
"but give it a few weeks and the hackers can easily come out with modified drivers."
Ok, I'll hold you to your sensational head-line. My bet? You're wrong.
Nothing is un-hackable, but I've read Sony's Linux documentation and I assure you, it won't be as easy as "a few weeks". Good luck breaking Mr. Hypervisor... - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -4/+12No, they won't... what part of this whole PS3/Linux story do you (obviously) NOT understand?
- jasutton, on 10/12/2007, -5/+13heh...
dd if=/dev/brd of=/home/me/MyGame.iso
Yeah, I know it won't be that easy in the beginning, but I agree it will be hacked pretty quickly :) - kenvsryu, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8Sony worked with Terra Soft on Yellow Dog Linux for the PS3
more here
http://digg.com/linux_unix/Sony_s_Initial_Plan_for_Linux_on_the_PS3 - yugiohdan6, on 10/12/2007, -3/+10but the point is it CAN be used as a tivo. and with all the power sony put into it it should be able to do that and play games no problem
- chandler55, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7what would be cool is a very simple OS for ps3 for moms and dads, firefox and word processing and then a whole bunch of printer drivers should suffice
- knite, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9maybe 25gb is a lot now, but when gigabit internet comes along and when we have storage in the terabytes, it would be worth it.
$90 for a game? where did you get that from? it's more like $60... - DeadPenguin, on 10/12/2007, -3/+10I was dead set on buying the 360 until I saw the article last week on YDL e17 and the PS3.
I am in the process of gathering up stuff to sell on Ebay to make up the difference in price between the 360 and 60gb PS3. I am still leery its handicapped in some way or they will realize what they have done and change it somehow in the future. - Giga, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7Would you prefer that they steal them or something? What is wrong with someone saving up for something that they want?
- aegis9975, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7>>But can linux actually use the cell or does it just use the ppc?
It uses the Cell, YDL5 even comes with a Cell compiler and SDK, so you can use the 7 SPE cores of the Cell as well as the PPC core. However, most applications will only run on the PPC core unless its specifically programed for it. - sebr, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6"will it be possible to dump the PS3's game discs?"
I'd say unlikely, considering that blu-ray can hold 50Gb of data per disc. You'd need a pretty large hard drive to store more than a couple of games, and 2 operating systems. - jakethecake, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5One of the SPEs run the ps3 os and the Hypervisor, 6 SPEs is available in linux.
It's going to be really hard to break out of that.
http://dl.qj.net/Documents-for-Linux-on-the-PS3-Linux-Tools-PlayStation-3/pg/12/fid/11259/catid/514
hypervisor details. - CaffeineAddict, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6Well, if and when pirating games with just the hardware given doesn't work, a mod chip will be made to over ride what ever function is keeping it from happening ... thats a given for the most part.
But besides that, the fact that its a Linux shell, with as much resources as the PS3 has to offer ... I think they left it that open not necessarily for the ability of users to pirate THERE games ... but rather for the possibility of someone using the hardware given to write emulation software for other systems (and and other systems games). It only makes senses since consoles are starting to out clock desktop PCs ... and emulators are no longer being able to be effectively written for consoles and console games ... why not give the masses a console with bad ass hardware that is almost totally open for reprogramming so as to allow the masses to created emulators for apposing consoles. Since Sony can't legally do it themselves they just leave it open, and hope someone will take whats given and run with it.
Yah, Mod chips will be created to run pirated games ... as they always are ... but in this case, if the coin fall the way I think it will, I think they left it open for the ability to emulate other consoles even though they cant say that they left it open for that reason
Its a baseless conspiracy theory ... but its something to think about =:) - Jernej, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4CaffeineAddict: ever heard of the magic USB tv tuners?
- MacBandit, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5The HD-DVD add on for the XBox 360 isn't compatible for games just movies so developers aren't going to be using it at all.
- DarkStalker, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4It won't be cracked quickly, if at all. There's a hypervisor in place to make sure that it won't happen.
- superkendall, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4So does it support accellerated OpenGL?
It sounds pretty cool to be able to program the cell processors and mess around there... - MikeZila, on 10/12/2007, -3/+6If the PS3 gets tons and tons of hardcore emulators I'll buy the hell out of it.
- sparkey, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Although I love my XBMC, it'll never be able to handle HD (unless severely rezzed down), which is where I see the potential of the PS3 as a media center.
- malkir, on 10/12/2007, -3/+6Linux doesn't have access to the video card (hardware rendering) in the PS3. The cell itself may be able to render software mode graphics well enough to emulate the wii and a few other systems, but I doubt it will be able to emulate the Xbox 360. Also, the level of programming skill it would take to do such a thing on the cell is...well...prohibitive to say the least.
Also the idea that these consoles are better than PCs is laughable. Dollar for dollar they might be, if you don't take into account the fact that Sony and MS are losing money on each console. But by the time the consoles get to market they already have dated hardware. PC gaming has always been superior in-so-far as graphics is concerned, and I can't see that changing anytime soon. - kanundrum, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5I was thinking of getting the 360 but when you really sit and think of it, the ps3 is 600 for the best model available (and it includes their high capacity drive). The 360 is $399 and add their high capacity addon which is $200 gets you up to the ps3 price. The possibilities with the PS3 is greater and at the same price of a comparable xbox 360 PS3 has an edge. What really tips it over the edge in a sense is that the blu - ray is build in ... hold on hold on... cause developers are giving that resource (a lot of disc space) which we can home they utilize to innovate (maybe not immediately but in the future) but as the 360 sports hd as an ADD-ON i don't think developers would alienate those who got the 360 earlier (assuming they do hd built-in in the future) or those without hd drives. Worth thinking about I think
- nreynolds, on 10/12/2007, -4/+7how do you "buy the hell" out of something? Do you plan on buying 60 just to "buy the hell" out of it? If you do, I say it's a good plan.
- Marthinus, on 10/12/2007, -8/+11PS3 FTW!
- BlackAdderIII, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3"Linux is not running directly on the metal.
This is not a problem for those who have no interest in ripping off software."
You're not serious, right?
There are countless reasons you'd want to access the hardware directly that have nothing to do with "ripping off software". - HappyScrappy, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4It has gigabit ethernet too, so you could dump it over that.
- vezquex, on 10/12/2007, -4/+6256... not enough... need... MORE... RAM.
I know The Cell is the greatest proc of all time, but between having less RAM than my 3.5-year-old computer and a slow disc drive, it will have a bit o' trouble running Ubuntu. And Ubuntu is the only thing anyone cares about here, right? - acomj, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Bingo!
I was thinking the same thing. I'm sure Sony loves paying MS for windows licences. And Firefox/ google web apps are amazingly usefull.
Or it could end up like coleco's or intellivisions computer system. (I had the intellivison one, ugg awfull).
http://oldcomputers.net/adam.html
http://www.intellivisionlives.com/bluesky/hardware/ecs_tech.html - Terc, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3So, how long until the Xbox 360 HD DVD drive is working on a PS3? Pointless? Ok, but so is Linux on a wristwatch.
- DjSandman87, on 10/12/2007, -4/+6I love my 360...but why Microsoft couldnt figure this out is beyond me...I'm not sure I want to spend $600 on a HTPC yet...but I'm sure it will grow on me. I'm really impressed, mad props guys. Hopefully we'll see some more progress, I love my large (beige) HTPC tower...(ha not really)
- superkendall, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4Why buy the 60GB PS3? You can buy the $500 cheaper model, and put in your own larger HD (it's been verified to accept 2.5" SATA drives).
Other than that, the only other thing you'd really get is wireless but the $500 model has gigabit ethernet so you can still plug it into a network.
The real trick will be finding on at all for a while - I wouldn't be too picky. - DarkStalker, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3At the moment, hardware acceleration is not possible in Linux on the PS3.
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