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- FKnight, on 11/06/2008, -0/+9Your licensing rep sucks.
- CyDharttha, on 11/06/2008, -0/+9Probably. You can also download Zimbra (www.zimbra.com) and Scalix (www.scalix.com) for free. Both offer more robust features than MS Exchange and have reasonably-priced support (if needed). The problem on my end usually ends up being convincing a business to move away from M$ anything.
And I suppose I better check out open-xchange. - directrix13, on 11/06/2008, -0/+8Seriously... sure. Mindlessly believing that it is the only option.... that takes a special a special kind of ignorance.
- secrity, on 11/06/2008, -1/+9That is not something to be proud of.
- IronDonut, on 11/06/2008, -6/+13I know MS gets bagged on for the horror show that is Vista. It's so much more visible to the average user than it's server products. But some of the MS server products are top notch Exchange included.
- zippy757, on 11/06/2008, -0/+7it may be KING, but the Queen, Domino, has exactly the same market share.
- isiah1, on 11/06/2008, -0/+7Already Done ... It's called Zimbra
- curiousgrge, on 11/06/2008, -0/+6Domino may run on Linux natively but I don't ever recall it being open source.
- eclasssystems, on 11/05/2008, -3/+8I spent $9 mil on my Exchange licenses last year.
- oobuntu, on 11/06/2008, -0/+5what do you do when the windows security updates come out and you have to reboot each month? you would need some sort of cluster to maintain uptime. TCO becomes 2 or 3x the cost of IMAP on linux.
my linux server gives you five nines uptime every year for the last 5 years. - FKnight, on 11/06/2008, -1/+6You've never even SEEN Exchange, let alone know what it is.
- dafragsta, on 11/06/2008, -1/+5No... they forgot a lawsuit.
- TehDoctor, on 11/06/2008, -0/+4WOW! 100 Gigabytes! That's a lot! I mean, it's not like the Usenet guys or the people who run LKML have ever dealt with that much mail! I mean, if it doesn't cost millions of dollars to develop, it just /can't possibly/ handle that much.
Maybe if the ignorant morons at your company stopped sending HTML emails with Comic Sans font you'd have a smaller maildir. Tool. - ssam, on 11/06/2008, -0/+3funny but true.
sun bought staroffice (and the whole company called StarDivision), when they realised that it was cheaper than paying MS office licences each year. now we have openoffice. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/StarOffice - jsmithers, on 11/06/2008, -1/+4You really don't get the concept of open source, and doing something for good and the betterment of others, do you?
- silviumc, on 11/06/2008, -0/+3How about 200+ GB? And it's on Open-Xchange... Never failed in 3-4 years since it's there.
- ogletree, on 11/06/2008, -0/+3So does this mean I can download a full working version of open exchange server for free?
- nero147, on 11/06/2008, -0/+2You know, I use linux as my primary mode of computing in my home, and I use a combination of Solaris, Ubuntu, XP and Vista at work. I would say that Exchange is an industry standard. But if you're trying to show how mature and professional you are you might not want to lead off with a random statistic an acronym and a homophobic slur. It shows that either you are unfamiliar with how to win an argument (a necessity in a business environment) or it reflects poorly on your intelligence. Exchange has features that no one else has, but a lot of the reason it became an industry standard was because outlook was already the standard and the interface between the two is flawless. Then you ended up with Exchange Activesync and bizconnect for windows mobile and palm. But that doesn't mean that a new product is wrong for contending with it. My only wish is that open source technologies would stop just imitating close sourced products and start truly innovating.
- mk3k, on 11/05/2008, -0/+2We use it, it sucks but it's secure.
- inigomntoya, on 11/05/2008, -1/+3The only thing I would use it for is canon fodder...
- cojones, on 11/05/2008, -0/+2so the submitter links to an article which completely contradicts his summary?
- TehDoctor, on 11/06/2008, -0/+2Ha, once again you're shooting your mouth without thinking. There's code from the original NT carried over up into Vista. I'm sure Exchange has a ton of legacy code--every large project does.
You're not a developer, are you? - zippy757, on 11/06/2008, -2/+4Exchange and Domino have almost exactly the same global market share, both at about 32%.
MS is not as dominate outside the US. - mk3k, on 11/05/2008, -2/+49 million or 17 million is nothing compared to MS Exchange.
- evetsleep, on 11/06/2008, -0/+2I do get the concept. But if the purpose is to challenge a closed source solution that has many 100's of millions put into it you need more then ~18 million.
- evetsleep, on 11/05/2008, -2/+3Now I'm all for competition as I really do think it makes things better for the consumer, but I really don't see how getting $17.8 million really even comes close the the 100's of millions that is poured in to Microsoft's Exchange product.
I'm always optimistic that a good challenger will come along, but this really doesn't seem like much of a threat to Exchange at the moment. - cubicledrone, on 11/06/2008, -0/+1Company I did some work for once spent $110,000 on a meeting with the specific purpose of "focusing" on 3-4 product descriptions. That is why MS Exchange is king.
- inactive, on 11/06/2008, -4/+5Who wrote exchange originally before MS bought it and slapped their name on it?
- BineySyndrome, on 11/06/2008, -1/+2It's over 9 milllllllllllllllliiiiiiooooonnnnn! What!?
- oobuntu, on 11/08/2008, -0/+1TCO and uptime are highly important in my company. So is the ability to restore individual mails and mailboxes without buying even more expensive software (veritas and exchange plugin). I work in a company using exchange and cyrus imap. both have their advantages.
- FKnight, on 11/06/2008, -4/+5Dugg for Truth. Anyone who doesn't take MS Exchange seriously has no business being anywhere near decisions relating to messaging architecture.
- painkillr, on 11/06/2008, -8/+9you can tell digg is overrun by posers and children when they trash Exchange.
most of you ignorant ***** probably never managed a 100GB mail store or know that MAPI support is what makes Exchange in an enterprise/large business essential.
but w/e, continue on with the circlejerk. it's not like any of you have real jobs where you'd actually have to apply your pointless ideology - manstein01, on 11/06/2008, -0/+1Open XChange is awful. We tried it. They are not going to take anything away from Exchange until they improve their product.
Zimbra is an much better product, but still has a few bugs to be ironed out. - inactive, on 11/06/2008, -0/+1nice article but irrelevant to the topic mentioned
- TehDoctor, on 11/07/2008, -0/+1No, I'm trying to make the point that so far in this thread *no one* pushing Exchange has given a solid reason why it's better. Go figure, because it's not. The OP's sole backing for his argument was that he's implying he manages 100GB of mail. And OSS tools can easily do that.
- xlocust, on 11/06/2008, -2/+3OMFG..somebody actually thinks sendmail is better then exchange.
Exchange offers WAY more then sendmail in terms of functionality and ease of administration/
I am no MS lover but ***** a...
Exchange > sendmail - TehDoctor, on 11/06/2008, -1/+2Donut, you pull your head out of your ass. ISS has way more vulnerabilities and a higher TCO than Apache, not to mention if you look at it's dependency graph it's overly complex. Exchange is better than most OSS stuff, sure, but it's not "top notch." Being the best of the worst doesn't make something good. SQL has serious drawbacks over faster, safer, and more standards-compliant databases. Visual Studio is the most bloated, overrated piece of ***** known to man. ASP... not even going there. The XBox is great, except for the fact that I know more people who got the RROD than didn't.
- TehDoctor, on 11/06/2008, -0/+1Sure, I'm retarded. You've never seen the code for Exchange. I've seen code on huge projects and there are leftovers from the 80s(!!!) in major software packages. The network stack built for 95 was still clinging to life in Windows 2000 when they had the big source code leak. Exchange is no different, it's practically guaranteed. It's prohibitively expensive for a firm to throw out old code and rewrite it, so it almost never happens.
And it's interesting you accuse me of making an analogy, because I didn't. But since you did, I'd like to point out that proof by analogy is fraud. - TehDoctor, on 11/06/2008, -0/+1The whole thing is slow and GUI-centric, and has some rather low limits on certain parameters (like row length). And T-SQL sucks as a language.
I didn't say I had come across anything better than Exchange. I just said that it could be improved a lot. I think IMAP is better than anything MS has to offer, but it doesn't have all the features Exchange does, like calendaring support. If someone didn't need a drop-in replacement, I would think that a decent design of a mix of OSS systems could do better than Exchange. But that's not an all-in-one solution, and hence why I concede Exchange is 'fair' quality.
What the *****? VS isn't bloated? The goddamn thing eats up more RAM then my ENTIRE OPERATING SYSTEM AND ALL RUNNING APPLICATIONS. QED, bitch. - diggonit, on 11/06/2008, -5/+5Could you be more of a dumb ass?
- IronDonut, on 11/06/2008, -0/+0Doc:
There is leftover code in everything out there. So what. I'm certain there is some 20 year old code in HP-UX and Solaris. I'm sure there is 10-15 year old code in every variant of Windows. Some of it is in there because it's good solid code that has stood the test of time.
The original claim is bogus anyway. MS wrote Exchange from scratch. It's 100% their product. And it's both the industry standard and industry best.
Not everything that MS does is evil and poor quality. They have some fantastic products, they have some ***** products and a few inbetween. There is no software company out there that competes in as many markets as well as Microsoft. An unpopular statement in nerd circles but a true one. - IronDonut, on 11/06/2008, -0/+0Doc:
I know it sucks so BAD that Sql Server has a really nice GUI and isn't command line like Oracle. I wish I had to install a 3rd party application (TOAD) just so I could have a modern database interface. Sql Server has the nicest GUI of any database out there and the backend is solid and fast.
Next VS bloated? Really? I booted up a fresh copy of VS and Netbeans here is the memory use:
Netbeans: 130,720K
Visual Studio: 27,276K
Plus the Netbeans UI sucks and it's slow.
Exchange supports IMAP? We have an IMAP service running on our Exchange server for Apple users. - jtechs, on 11/06/2008, -0/+0In any (most) enterprise, Exchange is the answer. Specifically from 2007 SP1. If your company went from E12 to Some other system (current), that fails to support the wide range of clients/devices/services, It would be a big shock. Granted, going from Exchange 2000 to a competitor might be viable. As the features are more closely matched. E12 has so many differences its unthinkable to move to another, You would be missing all the little things that makes life better, both client and admin.
Granted open-Xchange would be good for SMB's and such. but ENT really do need exchange.
Microsoft don't make many very very very good products, but this is one of them. - painkillr, on 11/06/2008, -0/+0k, thanks for sharing
- Feej, on 11/06/2008, -3/+2Nah, he's doing just fine....
- painkillr, on 11/06/2008, -1/+0see you're a total jackass for comparing the corporate desktop needs met by Exchange vs. the large db's maintained by usenet. are you arguing that corporate messaging should emulate usenet? of course not, that's as silly an idea as your comment.
and if you think that creating policy that forces plain text mail makes even the slightest bit of difference to maintaining an e.mail system, you have your head up your condescending ass - bxcrx, on 11/06/2008, -3/+2Sorry all MS haters, but MS Exchange is KING when it comes to e-mail. The only other alternative that I would consider would be Kerio.
- beforeIforget, on 11/05/2008, -5/+4Hey, is this the thread we rip on Lotus Domino cause it's been a viable open-source alternative on Linux for over 8 years? Just wanted to be sure.
- jsmithers, on 11/06/2008, -9/+8NO. Exchange not included. Microsoft can't write software.
- painkillr, on 11/06/2008, -1/+0so your argument is to hone in on some metric where there's a deficiency on the windows side to declare that linux is the overall winner?
really, i understand you had to ignore the point made about MAPI because you don't understand it, but stfu until you have something better than "you have to reboot once a month" -
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